>>214986810
>look at the map
>hey, 2629 eur is not that bad...
>oh wait it's San Marino
>Italian wage is lower
>oh shit...

>>214986810
What happened to Sweden?

>>214986810
No way this poor shithole is earning more than Italy, this must be poor people points

also denmark being very low key about being as rich as luxembourg

>>214986810
Why the hell are azeris so poor and mogged by armenia despite having oil and natural gas?
>>214986831
Wait till you learn that is Vatican’s wage, Italy’s being even lower

>>214986810
I would rather be in a poor villa wearing sandals than an American city wearing Air Jordan's

>>214986891
You don't know how bad it is. Denmark just got that rich very recently so it's not part of a collective understanding of /int/ernational wealth

>>214986810
Does portugal have any cope for this?

>>214986891
>also denmark being very low key about being as rich as luxembourg
idk if it's low-key, if you ever meet a dane, they're usually quite arrogant and proud, just there are few danes so you don't see them that often

>>214986953
bordering Spain I guess

>>214987007
>The average monthly gross wage in Russia for 2024 is approximately €744, though this figure can vary based on the source and the exchange rate used. For context, the average monthly net (after-tax) wage was about €647 in 2024.

>>214987007
>99452 rubels or 1000.99 eur
maybe if you count that together with what families get after dead soldiers

We need to get to around 2000-2500 and it's fine, germany needs to have more to attract "those" people over us

>>214986810
Why shitalix peepoo so poor?

>>214987050
I want to earn their average, I earn 1750 after tax so im subshitalian

>>214987005
This is their cope but unironically. Portuguese anons always tell me that If they bordered Germany they would be the next Switzerland

>>214987007
It's median

>>214987081
Not once did I see them write that in 11 years

>>214987081
>Portuguese anons always tell me that If they bordered Germany they would be the next Switzerland
And they're right obviously

>>214986831
2017 is actually Vatican. There is no salary in Italy.

>>214986810
Why are the germanics countries so rich

>>214987453
Boosted up by guys in the army. They have pretty good salaries.

>>214987453
Sasha you're a homosexual.
>>214987092
Median is 500 euro in ruzzia.

>>214987529
>get droned for less money than what a shitalian gets for doing siesta
OH NONONO ZIGGER SISTERS

>>214987453
Saszko, did something happend you seem down

>>214987563
Happen*

>>214987563
That last Turkish penis was too big for xim to take in...

>>214987534
>Median is 500 euro
Wrong it's ~750 euro.
>>214987562
Their base one is good. Their base is above 200k roubles.

>>214987575
They get like 1900 euros with all premiums added, it's even less than what you get from being a gay prostitute in Serbia.

>>214987585
It's 50k rubles, which is 500 euros. Basically 1 shitalian can hire 4 ziggies on his salary geg.

>>214987614
>That's not base salary it comes in form of addition
Go google it.
>>214987617
Maybe you should drop your VPN? The median is 74k roubles.

>be gay
>support zigeria
Why is it so common? Is it because all ruzzian "men" are gay?

>>214987591
Why do you keep calling people troons if you're such a girly boy, come on stop it.

>>214987650
Would you rather have sex with
a) really fat and ugly girl
b) sashenka
You must pick one. This is important

>>214987684
>Gilticus
>Maksin (a literal tranny that literally was in the pigger "army" GEEEEG, I fool you not anons)
>you
Don't you see a pattern Sasha?

>>214986953
I am comfily earning German levels in Portugal, so no cope. Even less cope because I acknowledge how shit it all is.

>>214987737
>Troonism is banned in Russia
Is that the reason you fled ruzzia Sasha?

>>214987799
Sasha you're literally in Serbia now, you literally sell your body to not get back into glorious ruzzia.

you CANNOT suffer in schweiz

>>214987692
A fat and ugly girl but if i had to choose id rater fap. Homos are revolting so i find saszko disgusting and lost, he always hates "troons" and acts in a agressive manner because he's scared and alone in serbia (previously armenia) and he might have a problem with his honosexual sexual orientation while coming from a country that dosnt accept it.

>>214987938
>while coming from a country that dosnt accept it
He's from ruzzia though. Don't you know how 2% of them got HIV there?

>>214987990
Yes but the mainstream is that gays bad? So saszko grew up in a "gays bad" place while being gay, his parents probably dont know, maybe he makes up stories about having a gf and at the same time old, fat ugly bastards use his body for money.

why is italy so poor if it has so many innovative high-margin industries like car manufacturing or fashion brands?

>>214986895
The average vatican wage is something like 100.000 euros, they are 500 people and all embezzling white collars of sorts lmao

>>214988133
Because all the profits go to owners of these businesses, who use cheap immigrant labor to bring wages down and increase their own profits even more

>>214988133
>fashion/luxury
Mudgets when compared to the fremch ones. Also they've been bought by the french. The french can buy italian stuff but we cant buy the frenc stuff because they will veto us. I dont know how is that possible.
>car manufacturing
It's going down the shitter, literal jews are dismantling it after they got billions of state aid money

>make 3000 euros in Germany
>rent is 1500 euros
>make 1000 euros in random eastern euro place
>rent is 200 euros

>>214988360
>rent is 200 euros
Where?

>>214988360
I’m paying 450 euro for a 30 sqm flat that wasn’t renovated since 1990 and doesn’t even have drinkable tap water

>>214988360
rent in eastern europe is extremely high comparing to local wages, as well as in proportion to how much it costs in western europe
the only redeeming feature here is that a lot more easterners are homeowners, comparing to let's say germany, so they don't need to pay any rent

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>>214988360

>>214988322
but at least you have a milfy PM, that's worth every kind of economic crisis

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>>214988505
>mortgage rates
>3.6%
>7.42%

>>214988505
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaa

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>>214988605
could be worse

>>214988605
Stfu poorfag. High key rate and so high interest rate is the only good thing in this country right now.

>>214988605
would be bothersome but thankfully most people here don't need mortgage
we inherit our apartments after our grandparents or our parents just buy them for us or, in worst case, we go to Germany to work for 3-4 years and save for an apartment in Poland mortgage-free

>>214987081
Portugese people are not efficient enough to become like that

>>214988638
That's what I'm saying.
>>214988640
If there were no preferential mortgages from the start, I would say yes, it's good. But because of that property prices rose up more than x5 of what they were.

>>214988672
7% rate is literally nothing.

>>214988679
And? Why don't you already own property?

>>214986810
>€3.771
Bretty gud. I think I am going to make that too in a year

>>214988700
still worse than 3%
but still, i think most people don't need that here
out of all the people i know (20s-30s yo) only few needed mortgage, the rest just got their apartment from their grandparents/parents or worked abroad to earn money to buy it for cash

>>214988711
I DON'T HAVE FUCKING MONEY.

>>214988734
pынoчeк пopeшaл
нaдo былo нaчaть c ceбя

>>214988757
It's not rynochek. It's fucking government with their fucked up laws of preferential mortgages and all of that. They should have regulated developer companies instead of untying them hands, lower standards for them and provide them money from our taxes.

>>214988757
Бaзeд хoхoл.
>>214988734
Then earn them? Aren't you that one retard who was denying the median wage in ruzzia is 500 euros?

>>214986810
Turkey is definitely richer than the poorest Balkan countries like Albania and Bosnia.
The real-world difference between Croatia and Slovenia is higher. This is another meme number that doesn't mean anything.

>>214988791
>instead of untying them hands, lower standards for them and provide them money from our taxes
So why didn't you invest into them, again?

>>214988806
Only in istanbul and ankara. Most rural places in turkey are dirt poor

>>214988829
>tf
Oh nononono

>>214988799
Yes. As I've said median is around 750 euro. But it's not even nearly enough to buy an apartment.
Good advice just like Medvedev said to teachers:
>"If you want money, go into business, not teaching."

>>214988791
The same thing happened in Poland. They introduced a preferential mortgage program and it caused all property prices to rise accordingly. Thankfully it got closed some time ago, but the damage has been done

>>214986810
the eu needs to give portugal more gibs
it's as bad as eastern europe

>>214988791
>with their fucked up laws of preferential mortgages and all of that.
Yeah, here there is a big political battle about that, the ruling party wanted to introduce a state-subsidized 0% mortgage for young families but many people opposed it, claiming it would be actually a subsidy for developers who would raise prices of their houses immediately and at the end young families wouldn't have it any easier to buy their first house while the developers would increase their profits at the cost of the taxpayers. And it was of course developers who lobbied to introduce this 0% mortgage scheme. But for now the project is suspended due to pressure from the society.

>>214988860
>tsaar zigeria is brics superpoower now tsaar! average wage 10000000 rubels tsar!!!
>me? oh tsar me has no mani tsar gib me manis tsar plz???
The dalits of Asia.

>>214988918
You have troubles with logic.

>>214986810
damn, greeks are fucked

>>214988829
I've heard most of west Turkey near the med sea is pretty good.
I've seen images of the towns before the earthquake hit near the Syrian border. They were alright. You might be underestimating how bad Balkan countries are.

>>214988916
>0%
Damn... Here it is 2-6% for preferential ones.

>>214986810
I hope this is BEFORE taxes, then it's about right

>>214988928
If everybody around you in the epic snownigger superpoower you love so much is rich, then it's your fault you're poor retard. >>214987644-tier situation.

>>214988987
>the median is 500 euro in snow ziggeria LMAO
>no, actually it's 750 euro
>WHY CAN'T YOU BUY AN APARTMENT IF YOU'RE SAYING EVERYONE IS RICH?! HM?!
Nigga. Try to start thinking before posting anything.

>>214988956
Anon I...

>>214988953
>Damn... Here it is 2-6% for preferential ones.
We had a similar scheme years before (it was a lowered rate but non-zero), then it was ended and then they came up again with this program but 0% now and it sparked huge tensions so they are currently quiet about it. It won't be probably introduced, at least for now.

>>214989024
Do you think just quoting me in all caps make my argument invalid?

>>214989146
How me pointing out on your mistake in numbers makes everyone rich all of the sudden? What's the argument?

>>214989193
Because the median is 500 euros and not 750 and 500 is lower than 750. Are you retarded?

>>214989212
The median is 750 euros. And it's not much, and it's not rich. Especially in comparison to the housing prices.
>Are you retarded?
I have the same question to you.

>>214989266
The official median for 2025 is 500 euros, 50000 rubles. Your proposed number is 1.5 higher which is rich in real ruzzia where half of workers earns less than 500 euros a month for full time job.

>>214989305
52k was in 2023. 74k is in 2025.
You can start using google at least, you know.

>>214989333
>pulls out completely fake numbers
What a faggot. I hope you starve, poorfag goblin. It was 400 or 350 in 2023.

>>214989408
Idiot.
>Meдиaннaя зapaбoтнaя плaтa в Poccии зa aпpeль 2025 гoдa cocтaвилa 73 871 pyб., yвeличившиcь нa 40% пo cpaвнeнию c aнaлoгичным пepиoдoм 2023 гoдa (52,6 тыc. pyб.). Oб этoм cooбщaeт PИA Hoвocти co ccылкoй нa дaнныe Poccтaтa.

>>214986953
There's really no cope about it, people just don't pay much and there are too many low end jobs bursting with immigrants who don't mind serving tables 12 hours a day for 900 euros a month and young people getting shafted. We have a great wave of educated people being formed every year but most don't aspire to stay here.
I also never know if maps like these account for the fact we get paid an extra wage twice a year or if this is gross or net wage. INE, our statistics department, says our average gross wage is around 1740€

>>214987005
>>214987081
That's ridiculous, but it does have some truth to it, Portugal is very isolated, regardless of who it borders

>>214989433
Now open the Sberbank stats site and exclude all the high-paid government sectors that provide their payments exclusively through Sberbank and what you'll get will be 45-55k.
You're poor because your fucking retarded, like a literal imbecile goycattle cretin who can't render information.

>>214989561
So, first of all you're accusing me of lying and saying that official data is 50k for 2025. Now I'm giving you official data and you jump into mental gymnastics.
Alright, I don't want to spend more time on retards.

>>214989605
Sberbank is state-owned you down freak.

>>214989635
It's not "official data", you idiot. And not the whole country using spermbank. And excluding one of the categories means it's not fucking median.
And even then overall median in their stats is above than 50k roubles which you preach in every post. Fucking mentally challenged retard.

>>214989451
>Portugal is very isolated,
that's only if you treat the ocean as an impenetrable wall
which is quite sad because your ancestors never thought about it like that, for them the ocean was actually their "richest neighbor" they could profit from and their chance for a better life

>>214989605
>Alright, I don't want to spend more time on retards.
>>214989836
>responds anyway
Thanks for confirming the retard is you.
For normal humans (not ruzzians) itt: those stats he refers too are literally made up, they used only 30kk workers out of 70kk workers overall, obviously they only used the most high-paid workers to fake the results. About Sberbank, it's the state bank so all the better paid state jobs (e.g. dying in a ditch, being in mafia etc.) are processed there which makes it biased toward them. If we only include like actual average jobs, it ranges from 45k to 55k which is 500 euros.
So the median wage in ruzzia is 500 euros, half of ruzzians work for less than that.

Zigeria REALLY loves to fake the stats. Look the OP's pic by Poor People Points: somehow, zigeria's value is 2700 while China's (yes China, that country where everything from electronics to food to services is dirt cheap) is only 2000 with the nominal being the same 1000.
Russhits always lie.

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>>214989997
>there is data gathered by only one bank based on the salaries that comes to their clients
>the numbers don't match with my narrative
>excluding groups that I don't like so it will fit my narrative
>YEAH, TARD! EAT IT! THE MEDIAN IS 500 EUROS!
>THAT'S THE OFFICIAL DATA! NOT THE REAL OFFICIAL DATA PROVIDED BY THE OFFICIALS!
Kys, fucking idiot.

>>214990092
is that before or after taxes?

>>214986810
Feels good knowing I make so much more than average person imc

>>214990116
After.

>>214990092
Now try medicine, teaching, hospitality you lying zigger maggot.

>>214990160
What "lying", you fucking deranged retard?
Do you know what is statistics? Do you know what average or median is? Do you understand that the pool of data from Spermbank is even smaller that that official that you don't want to admit?
How can you fucking say that some stats from the Spermbank is official data, but official data isn't official?

Is this per month or annually

>>214990231
Per month of course.

>>214990217
Call 117 NOW

>>214990231
Per month. This isn't india

>>214990503
>>214990248
>>214990231
Mumbai has higher median salary than Russia as a whole.

>>214990854
Grim

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>>214986885
Denmark has always been richer than us and Norway has oil.
The period after WW2 was abnormal because our industry wasn't bombed to dust.
We are now returning to our natural state of being a poor shithole backwaters in northern europe with famines and infighting.

>>214990982
>We are now returning to our natural state of being a poor shithole backwaters in northern europe with famines and infighting.
except it isn't happening

>>214991111
It literally is. Have ever heard about gang wars there? They have like 4 time more of gang-related crimes than either Denmark or Norway.

>>214991398
meme, as long as you don't enter designated ghetto areas, you don't even know about any gangs in Sweden
probably like 95% violent crime in sweden is immigrant vs immigrant

>>214991413
>literal no go zones like in africa are fine actually

>>214986810
good thing i'm unemployed

>>214986810
>>214986810
what's up with Slovakia and Hungary? just few years ago they were on par with Poland and Czechia but now they're regressing Romania level

>>214991667
how much do you get now?

>>214991698
They were cut off from gibs or something like that, because they don't follow the current politics on Ukraine, Russia, sanctions and all of that.

>>214991830
>They were cut off
in fact they voted for this

>>214991830
they weren't, at least Slovakia didn't
why are you lying?

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>>214991959
I'm not sure about Slovakia, but I've heard something like that about Hungary.
Also tried to google it and found this.

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Seeing Italians complain about 1,500€ a month is hilarious. You literally live in the land of Ferrari and Prada and still act like peasants. Maybe try moving to North africa or balkan before crying about your poverty

We pay SO many fucking taxes and our cost of living is so crazy that our ''high'' paycheck means nothing. Pretty sure young people from poor countries in Europe live the same life as me.

>>214992156
Try living here and having the same wages as the netherlands but everything has amsterdam prices

>>214992906
Is it possible for you to live in france/Germany and work in your country? To lower the cost of living

>rent
why don't people just get a remote job and live in their parents mansion?

>>214993093
Thats what everyone does so houses on the german side are crazy expensive and the french side is an overpopulated post industrial mining shithole

>>214993480
Remote jobs arent a thing in mainland europe. Shekelberg wants you to come to the office every day.

>>214986810
you what

>>214993525
then why not simply get a job that's near your parents mansion with 15 maids, a gardener, and a cook?

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>tfw I make more than the average Swiss by sitting on my ass doing nothing all day

Life's good

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>>214986810
Still better than Japan.

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The Netherlands is dragged down by women who refuse to work more than 3 days a week.
And let gibs from the government compensate for the rest.

>>214988360
rent is extremely high everywhere because we have allowed boomers and vulture capital firms to speculate with the housing market, and I'm not left-wing but something needs to be done with this and it's not to "build more houses", this does nothing in Spain as we have entire cities which are empty with new apartment buildings and the rent is equally high because the firms and banks that own them refuse to lower the price, instead they promote mass migration to fill them

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>>214986810
this really doesn't mean anything
i was in Denmark and sure they earn double the amount as here but for example a meal there costs 3 times more than here

>>214993553
I know thats a shit bait but most of our parents us live in small houses or litteral shoeboxes

>>214991698
the thing is that hungary and slovakia didnt stagnate, romanian developed more compared to those 2

>>214987067
Your prices of groceries are probably 40% lower not to mention servieces

>>214988360
People bitching out about rents here are lying. Yes on market rents for flats offering are high while the most people that rent do for 50% lower prices. I know people that live in city center for 250 euros

>5000 net
>rent for 4 room apartment is 2500

You literally have to be a top 10% income sociopath to be able to afford children

>>214997935
Or you could stop being braindead and just move

>>214988806
Slovene goverment has really high taxes. Their net wages look slim but atleast they got well funded healthcare, huge pensions

>>214997968
Move somewhere where I would earn 3300 net and pay 1600 in rent instead?

>>214991398
Its almost as if there are a lot of brown immigrants in sweden or something

>>214998020
My house payment (mortgage+interest) is 380€ a month and that's with high interests right now. Just move and you don't need a super high salary

>>214994132
I remember lebin ultra smart demographers from xitter claiming that the key to having lots of children in country is women being able to spend more time with children (eg part time employment). This doesnt seem to work in NL tho

>>214993600
How is this possible?

>>214998184
Webdev. I do about 2 hours of work a day from my incel cave and procrastinate the rest and I've been doing this for over 3 years

>>214998104
The key is long term financial stability
This doesn't exist with housing cost ls that threaten to erase your life savings in you become unemployed for a few months

I'm finding houses for like 200k in Saxony-Anhalt so you're just whining for no reason

>>214991830
Romania increased their public sector wages like crazy that why they have highest inflation and deficit in Europe. Slovakia is stagnating due to dying german car industry. Hungary has lost the gibs

>>214998295
Try within commuting distance of Munich, Stuttgart, Frankfurt

>>214998206
Nigga i would be hitting clubs and slaying sluts if i were u. Now i will be a corporate slave to KPMG for wage like 10% bigger than national avg. I delayed my own employment for this very reason

>>214989451
>I also never know if maps like these account for the fact we get paid an extra wage twice a year or if this is gross or net wage. INE, our statistics department, says our average gross wage is around 1740€
That's accounted for, the numbers are after tax, we also usually have 13 or 14 yearly wages

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>>214998435
>hitting clubs
What do you think im doing

>>214988700
It's a fuckton for a functioning currency, my mortage is 2.8% and it's still too much, my sister managed a 1.9% before covid

don't know how to feel about this

>>214988700
kek youre underage

>>214998773
meant for >>214988672

>>214986831
That’s actually consistent with northern Italy wages if we talk about gross salary (before taxes). What brings us down is the terroni and their fucking state funded “jobs”

>>214998415
If you're in IT you should move to Nürnberg, rent is around 1k for a 3 bedroom apartment and salaries are the same as in munich for codemonkeys. Even higher if you work for defense companies

>>214998317
the deficit will be gone in like 2-3 years
with time the inflation will also be gone

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>>214986810
Schweiz mountainyuden

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For those interested what the USA is

>>214998706
Here mortgage rates are 22-28%. We've never had so low rates as yours even in good times.

>>214999956
Yeah nobody asked Jose

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>>215000035
>jose
I’m a sixth generation potatonigger

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>>214986810
how is net and gross barely different in some countries? Does Russia really only pay 5% in taxes??

>>215000479
we have a flat 10% tax rate for both personal and corporate income. This is why we're always broke and our highways look like they're from Fallout 3

>>214988406
Lol I pay 420EUR for a 1 roomer in Stockholm

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>>215000899
because Stockholm has commie rent control, and COINCIDENTALLY the average wait time for an apartment is 9 years

>>215000979
There are many options for someone with only 1 year queue time. We also built a shitton of new housing in the 80s and thus have a very big supply, so even sales prices are low.

>>215000979
There are apartments available without rent control, but a lot of people don't want them and either move away from the city or stay with their parents and whine about it