Dead edition>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldOld:>>214817023
hey friends, i'm slacking right now, but at least the video game is set to TL
any advice that would help with learning french?
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>>215014224que pena..
have a bump before i eep
Why are indo-european cases so fucked up compared to other language families with case systems?
>>215013557https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Frenchinpoot.
>>215016284it’s a favstian thing, you wouldn’t get it
Honorific agreement is important in grammar मेरे दादा लच रहे हैंNotice the auxiliary participle inflection, auxiliary verb and pronoun do have honorific agreement.
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>>215013338what's ur tl
Started doing Vietnamese again. I'm absolute beginner tier. Currently TLs are Chinese (circa B1), Indonesian A1, Viet A0.
I essentially have no interest in Euro langs
>>215022666the reddest of pills is realizing most euros/westerners are boring normies with extremely similar culturesI want to talk to some monolingual villager who thinks drinking chicken piss will make him immortal, not some redditors
>>215022427currently spanish
>>215022862Essentially this without the noble savage
>>215022666Hungarian and Finnish seem fun, but still this.
I lazily input every day, but it doesn't do much for me. I need to do the work again
>>215022862>I want to talk to some monolingual villager who thinks drinking chicken piss will make him immortal, not some redditorsI do to, but only once or twice, which is why I have a translation app on my phone.If I would make more money in the future, then I might spend a lot of time in Japan, so Japanese does interest me. Aside from that, I know I'm spending the rest of my life in Europe so I'm only interested in European languages.
I just found out about wincompose, this is way easier than installing a billion keyboards for a handful of diacritics.
>>215024231Makes sense. I will spend my life in Asia so I learn Asian languages.
>>215025130Which country?
>>215022666Based, the only jewropean language worth knowing is english.
>>215013557Start smoking.
GUIDE on how to pronounce German 'ich' (I)Ich [ıç] (German Standard German)Ich [ıx] (Swiss German)I [i:lit]/[ı] (Swabian, some Alemannic, some Austro-Bavarian)Ik [ık] (Northern/former Low Saxon regiolect)Isch [ıʃ] (Rhine-Franconian accent/dialect, optimal if you can't pronounce /x/)Isch [ıʃʷ] (migrant German, with rounded lips, if you want to sound like a retard)Esch [ɛʃ] (Moselle Franconian, including Cologne and Luxemburg)
>>215012968french phonology filters me. i can pronounce all individual sounds but I can't get out a sentence. it seems harder to learn than spanish, portuguese and english.
>>215028860*swabian [i:]/[ı]
>>215013338What video game?
Yep, it's input time.
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What do you guys think of the major brands/series of resources you've tried? >Pimsleurgreat but boring. I find it difficult to do more than 1 lesson a week>Assimildecent but the way it introduces grammar I've found frustrating. I unironically love grammar tables and exercises. >FSI and Peace Corpsreally outdated and not super easy to use. You don't get the vibe you're learning the real language, you feel like you're learning how 50s radio guys would sound. Plus just working with shitty typewriter scans and loose mp3s is frustrating
>>215032560They say somewhere on Pimsleur that you should do like one lesson a day. One lesson a week is terribly slow. Of course with such lack of progress it feels boring.
>>215012968Every time I try to dabble I get sucked back in to Japanese and Mandarin. All other languages are so lame in comparison.
>>215032828Yeah it recommends one lesson a day, consecutively. Shits only 30 mins. I listen to it in the car. Once on the way to work and once on the way back.Not like I have anything better to do in that time.
>>215031654https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLdFKQOCY-E
>>215032560Linguaphone ones are quite good, as are the Colloquial and "Teach yourself" series (the later being a bit hit or miss with some languages though)
>>215017431i dont wanna watch kids shows. i want to be entertained. is it all good to push off comprehensible input for a while and get back to it when i have more vocab so i can watch better stuff? i wanna start with inputting pokemon
What's the likelihood that learning French will help me acquire a gf?
>>2150377570%
>>215037757You will get a gf who will give you strong half black stepsons
>>215037721>Pokemon>i dont wanna watch kids showsexcuse me
>>215037721why don't you watch some pokemon and see how it goes?
Is it me or cantonese sounds much better than mandarin?
>>215037721Watch Pocoyo in your TL while really high. It is a mind altering experience.
>>215039097Cantonese is very musical sounding. Its on my list of things to learn after Mandarin and Japanese, but the way the CCP is going about things it will be a dead language in a few decades.
>>215037757If you're not getting any action in Deutschland, why do you think it would be any different in France? Women there are just as cooked as in your cunt.
>>215039435It already is functionally dead (but not yet extinct) outside of Hong Kong, Gen Z barely speaks it in the mainland. They only use mandarin with their parents and among themselves, and MIGHT use canto with their grandparents. Insane to think that this all happened in like 30-40 years. I have met middle aged people (late 40s early 50s) from Guangdong who spoke canto only for their entire childhood and still struggle with mandarin today. Now most young people in Guangdong cities can barely get a sentence out in Cantonese (there is a funny douyin video series of Cantonese speaking teenagers going to restaurants in Guangdong and trying to order in Canto only and none of the staff can understand them at all).Well, at least it's in a better state than the other dialects. Wu, Xiang, and Gan are basically extinct. Min and Hakka aren't doing much better but people still use them in Taiwan at least.
>>215013557Omelette du fromage
>>215038996everyone says 1k mature words then start immersing
>>215039435>>215040564What a shame, imagine living through replacement of a normal language with literal ching-chong. Utilitarianism kills beauty yet again
Imagine studying Chinese full-time for three years and you still can't tell apart xu and shu
I'm gonna start learning Arabic on Monday, waiting for the books to arrive. What would you recoommend for learning MSA?
>>215041365Skill issue
>>215041658>I'm gonna start learning ArabicI thought you guys already spoke it?
I missed my anki reps yesterday. I'm a failure and an embarrassment.
>>215032560fsi would be much better if somehow the audio were re-recorded. I remember using the German course maybe 10 years ago and you really had to have the text open at all times because of how muffled the audio was.
Anki + Pimsleur is actually goated. I am glad I got that shit off /t/ even though those djt fag guide spammers kept saying it was ass.
>>215025168Australia and China mostly.But also want to just travel in Asia more
>>215044257>But also want to just travel in Asia moreTranslation: Anon yearns for the Thai ladyboys
>>215040564Canto is not going to die ffs. It's the native language of more people than most European countries.
>>215044394>I am a dumb Brit who only sees the world in two-dimensional stereotypes
>>215044151It's ass, but I'm wondering if it's worth cutting out all the English instructions for the 5 minutes of real native audio they give you per lesson.
>>215044439it's not being used and it's not being transmitted. Numbers don't matter. Occitan had 14 million speakers in 1921, but after 80 years of French anti-dialect government policy it had declined to 100k, and zero use in daily life or writing,Look at how other dialects are declining - under 20% of schoolchildren in Shanghai use Shanghainese to talk to their parentsChinese government policy is for all dialects to be replaced in every aspect of life with Mandarin/普通话 and it looks like they will inevitably achieve that goal
>>215040564>Hong KongAccording to what I've heard, those age about 20 and below don't really speak Cantonese anymore, so it might become functionally dead fairly quickly
>>215037721>i want to be entertainedread what you wanna read and translate unknown words
Just found out about https://yomidevs.github.io/kaikki-to-yomitan/How good are these dictionaries, after all?I'm not really going to use any for now, since I'm already studying to take the JLPT N1 next year.
>>215044718>Chinese government policyCredible source for that claim? Because my experience is the Chinese gov celebrates and encourages flourishing of regional cultures and dialects. Shanghainese is going through an active revitalisation project currently I believe.
>>215044855http://www.moe.gov.cn/s78/A18/s8357/moe_808/tnull_17136.html
>>215044855>>215044894also I dont have a citation for this but the govt uses stuff like media production / limited tv programming as a "velvet prison" to divert efforts away from actual language preservationi.e. they will fund a film in Shanghainese but will continue 推普 in schools and disincentivise daily use of dialectsnot that they really have to, anyway, because most people in China think dialects are a hindrance and they need to 讲标准的普通话 because it makes them 文明 and they can get better jobs etc
>>215044151I also have started doing that for russian. I found a matching anki deck with audio for all 5 level of russian pimsleur. Only third day I hope I can stay consistent. Using duolingo only dor the alphabet.
>>215044894Yeah sorry I shouldve been clear I know there IS policy of promoting adoption and education in mandarin. I agree with this and think it's important for unity. but this doesn't negate existence of local dialects or mean they have a policy of wiping out local dialects. Which has been policy in other colonial jurisdictions in the past for example where it would be literally illegal and punishable to speak ones native language.
>>215045123of course there's no explicit policy to wipe out dialects and minority languages, but they are making changes to stop younger generations learning them/being educated in them. In most of China there is no institutional support for dialects and they are on the road to dying outin other areas where minority languages are stronger there are active efforts to stop use and education, i.e. removing Tibetan from the college entrance exam in Tibet, end of Mongolian-language classes in primary schools in Neimeng, total lack of language education in Xinjiang.
>>215044822The French ones are good, both the fr-en and fr-frThey're based on wiktionary so certain languages won't have very good dictionariesThe Japanese one has a kanji dictionary which I've found to be surprisingly helpful
Why should I even study other languages when I can't read Proust or Mallarmé effortlessly?What's the point of studying other languages when I can't have a fluent conversation about French literature and history at the level of French university students?I can't even have a fluent conversation about the weather I am just a dilettante Je ne suis bon à rien
>>215045469Having a national unified and strong mandarin education program is important for economic development especially of the western more remote regions. I take a more sympathetic view in view of that. And also having travelled around China I always felt regional dialects and languages are very strong on the ground so that informs my opinion on the issue, as well as general resistance to BBC talking points of "muh cultural genocide".
>>215044822i will test this off-topic but i gotta say, it's becoming a retarded trend to use emojis in software now for some reason. i have no clue why, and the argument that they are free unicode graphics for things you'd otherwise need to make icons for yourself doesn't really hold up well when it's useless shit like in your picture. whenever i see this i think of indians promoting shitcoins, it looks so unserious and retarded. anyway, gonna test the spanish and two(!) norwegian dictionaries and might report back after a while
>>215045469To add, I appreciate it's a complex one so thanks for the discussion. On the one hand development and unity requires unified language, on the other hand I don't like seeing other languages get devalued - even if it might be more convenient for me as a foreigner to just be able to speak 普通话 across the whole country.
never understood how ajatt or MIA actually worked for people. immersing constantly without knowing lots of words is extremely hard, and thats for japanese. it should be a lot easier for languages like german or spanish to just straight up immerse. do people really do it? does it actually work?
>>215046238i never really understood either what the japanese autists mean by "comprehensible" input. from what i heard matt talking about, he actually advocated listening to stuff you do not understand, i.e. is not comprehensible, to "accommodate your ear to the sound of the language" or something along those lines. in principle, though, what most people mean by "comprehensible input" is content that you understand the general gist of, either by knowing what it's about beforehand (preferrably having, for example, watched a movie already in another language that you do fully comprehend and thus knowing the ins and outs of the film), or by nature of the content being made for somebody like you (or a toddler, seeing as how your understanding of the language in the beginning will be even worse than that of a toddler). that way, as the hypothesis goes, you will gradually pick up on the grammatical concepts and words used in an understandable, i.e. comprehensible, manner. this paired with creating a flashcard for each sentence you cannot initially fully comprehend (in order to drill it into your brain by brute force) and repeating that again and again, is believed to teach you a language. a natural real-life application of this concept can be seen in foreigners learning the language of their guest country day by day, whether they want to or not. people will explain things to them with hands and feet to gesture them out if necessary, maybe a hundred times over, until they associate words and constructions with what is being explained to them. and it works. even the dumbest, most unwilling of them eventually develop some competence in the language.
>>215045966whether 推普 is good or bad isn't what we're discussing tho, it's irrelevant to what is actually happening to those languagesI spent two weeks in Xinjiang this summer and kids under 12-13 (coincidentally the first generation educated in schools since they stopped offering Uyghur classes in 2017) are basically first-language Chinese. They can't read or write in Uyghur, not even their own names, and some of them even talk to each other in 普通话.You have to admit that every kid in the last year of primary school being unable to write their name in their native language is not a normal state of affairs. At least at home they still speak Uyghur/Kazakh/Kyrgyz with their parents. Even in nomadic families the kids have to go to the local boarding school to learn 普通话. >>215046235yes, every European country went through this process already, as I mentioned in France with the elimination of Occitan and other regional languages, and in the UK with suppression of Welsh Scots Irish etc. It is understandable why China is doing it, and has been attempting to unify its language since the Qin dynasty (秦始皇统一文字)minority languages cultures and dialects are a strength for a country imo, I appreciate what the government is doing with stuff like dialect radio and tv, but I can't see it as sincere.
>>215046238The way I see it, AJATT was an angry and frustrated rejection of typical textbook heavy classroom based education without any real engagement with Japanese texts or audio.They did it because it completely re-orientated language learning for them and enabled them to focus on what mattered.It's not worth doing imo.Also a guy did AFATT as a part of his thesis and it took him forever to get to B1 using this method, it's just very inefficient.>>215046406Matt has stated that the typical i+1 comprehensibility that Stephen Krashen proposed isn't necessary in his opinion.
>>215046498>isn't necessary in his opinionwith zero credentials other than having learned the language himself (unverifiably) like how that black kid khatzumoto suggested, going on to "refining" the process, scamming his entire audience, and admitting to having sold a method he knew was ineffective kek at least that's as much of the story i'm familiar with. i have no interest in japanese, so i cannot speak on the effectiveness of its learning methods, but how could krashen's approach ever be dubbed "unnecessary"? even traditional methods are i+1 and that's how literally anything is learnt. has he ever fully explained how listening for thousands of hours to something you literally cannot understand in the slightest has any positive effect besides maybe recognizing a familiar sound (which you would otherwise learn too...)?
>>215046406lol yeah the opposite of comprehensible. its crazy people have done that shit for 10 hours everyday in a language so hard. the rewatching it over and over makes sense though, i just dont understand how they do it in japanese. lucky for me im not learning that shit>>215046498u got more info on his AFATT journey? super interested
>>215044822they are awful imo Wiktionary dictionaries, better use instead ABBYY Lingvo dictionaries with ABBY Lingvo or GoldenDict or use other tools.
>>215046728‘Picking Up’ a Second Language from Television: an autoethnographic L2 simulation of L1 French learning
>>215046406I don't believe in sentence mining. Word cards work, because you're interested in remembering the words themselves, creating connections between sounds, spelling and associations with other words and concepts. But sentences aren't interesting by themselves unless they represent a very memorable quote or interesting thought, or better yet are in an actual piece of writing or film. I just can't see how mining sentences is better then rereading or rewatching stuff again. It's more interesting just reread or rewatch stuff. You don't spend time switching from one card to another, on deciding whether your comprehend a sentence fully enough, then dealing with another unconnected sentence.
>>215046817why do you think it was inefficient? what do u think he should've done?
>>215047096How are word cards effective but sentences not? Sentences are just words cards with more surrounding context. If I'm trying to learn a word I find the best way is to have several sentence cards demonstrating the word in different contexts.
>>215047338When you review the sentence cards, they don't appear in sequential order. 1. You expend time trying to remember context. Often they add a screencap from anime or film to make it easier. When your input is sequential the context changes gradually.2. The sentences, even with some context, aren't interesting.3. It takes time to switch between each review even if 1 & 2 weren't true. It takes a split second between reviews + time to asses your comprehension. It's much easier to reread/rewatch 300 or 500 sentences than review them.How I would read a text in TL. Read x pages, limit yourself to looking up only N words. Don't add them yet to Anki. Reread the same pages the day after. Many words you are going to remember without ever doing Anki. Add those you didn't recall, but feel useful or interesting to Anki. I'm not a monolingual purist, so I would use either billingual or monolingual dictionary/deck, depending on needs, availability etc.I think looking up a translation is ok. You then close the translation and input the sentence again. Works for movies, anime, but you can make it work for books too.>>215047450That's true, but why not a premade deck that have example sentences for words (if such is avaliable).
>>215047850Exactly what my main method is, although I think "sentence mining" is slightly better because the sentence is taken from some context you remember and have deliberately chosen. I use a combination of bulk sentence banks for convenience and speed plus my own sentences (from real life, from my own creation etc).Would never claim it's a substitute for natural language input but superior to words in isolation for me personally. Although I also like to challenge myself with some cards that are purely without context to test how well I really know them if that makes sense.
>>215047096>rereading or rewatching stuff againwell personally i tend to do that very seldomly because i don't enjoy it, so this isn't really an option for me sometimes i see a construction i had never seen before and think "wow that's elegant" and want to remember it, but if i don't save that sentence and thus force myself to encounter it again, i won't remember it >You don't spend time switching from one card to another, on deciding whether your comprehend a sentence fully enough, then dealing with another unconnected sentence.there is truth to this, but i think it's mostly fine since you will read those same sentences many times over anyway, so ultimately it amounts to the same imo>>215047850>they don't appear in sequential order i think you can make them do this >Many words you are going to remember without ever doing Ankitrue, which is why i don't put literally every sentence in anki kek i mostly base it on a quick assessment of whether or not i think i will remember and/or encounter the word later
what autistic agglutinative language should I learnfinnishhungarian or turkish?
>>215046817It's crazy how in the humanities you can write a diary and call it your thesis. They should really all be dropped from academia.
>>215022862yet you cry like a baby when you see people eat dog meat lmoa
>>215046406>i never really understood either what the japanese autists mean by "comprehensible" input. from what i heard matt talking about, he actually advocated listening to stuff you do not understand, i.e. is not comprehensible, to "accommodate your ear to the sound of the language" or something along those lines.AJATT is not comprehensible input, AJATT is AJATT. It's a mix of different methods including comprehensible input, incomprehensible input, specific ways to use anki, memorizing kanji through stories and weird motivational stuff (like eating with chopsticks).
I find it offensive that people from poor, uncivilized countries still manage to have complex languages that take me a long time to learn. I deserve easy access to their languages
>>215051078>and weird motivational stuff (like eating with chopsticks)that's how you know an american thought it up. in fact, it could not have been any other national but an american to come up with this junk KEK >>215051023i have no moral problem with it. especially when it's a third world country, because so many of them weirdly have this huge problem with stray dogs in every major city. the dogs are suffering, and if people are hungry and the dogs are gonna die anyway, at least have their deaths not be in vain. from a utilitarian standpoint, there is nothing to object. it's moreso that i expect dogs to taste like shit, and the yield must be poor aswell, as they usually aren't very meaty... then again, people used to eat pigeons and still eat rabbits and ducks, so whatever. >ohh noooo!!! not the hecking chonky floofer! nooooO! you cannot eat the dawg!!!!! the eepy woofer you can't eat the wholesome 100 cutesy doggo!!!!! NOOOoOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
>>215051570>that's how you know an american thought it up. in fact, it could not have been any other national but an american to come up with this junk KEKI actually think inpooters are basically 95% right and every other method is almost 100% wrong. If LARPing as a japanese keeps you going, so be it.
>>215051625i think whatever brings you joy is best for you, but in terms of effectiveness, i think a good mix should be best. i've seen people do pure input and learn no grammar and they ended up sounding retarded, so i have my doubts about it being "all you need." just use common sense and apply yourself. but yes, i tend to agree that comprehensible input is very valuable. just wanna say that the japanese learning community is such a funny mixed bag. there's the coomers who dream about having a japanese girlfriend whom they can vaginally sex on the daily (NGMI EVER), the actually focused people who have also gifted the language learning community as a whole a lot of useful tools (those are gems, great people, thanks a lot woohoo), and clueless faggots who get motivated by eating with chopsticks and watching borderline pedophilic content for 10 hours a day. either way, i wish them the best of luck
>>215051726>i think whatever brings you joy is best for you, but in terms of effectiveness, i think a good mix should be best. i've seen people do pure input and learn no grammar and they ended up sounding retarded, so i have my doubts about it being "all you need."Grammar is a mixed bag, IMO. Some of it probably helps you notice things in input but other is probably damaging.I wish I had never read any explanation of the difference between por and para because it has never been useful in practice and knowing it cause me to mentally stumble every time I say por and para, even if I did it correctly, because my barin now wants to check it against the rules to see if it was correct.It's hard to determine in advance when a piece of grammar instruction will be useful or damaging.
>>215051908>por and parai never looked up rules for this but por immediately reminded me of situations where in slavic languages instrumental case would be used, so in my head it immediately became a placeholder for that, a particle that implies instrumental function, similar to how instrumental is used in russian. maybe i got oneshotted by brainrot
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>>215051570Chink bugs boil dogs alive and torture them. They get a sick pleasure from other beings suffering and say it tastes better. White people have a problem with that because we're the only ones who have empathy.
>>215046498>Also a guy did AFATT as a part of his thesis and it took him forever to get to B1 using this method, it's just very inefficient.I've finished reviewing his thesis. I think your underselling it a lot. He almost passed B1 (45% correct) with 1300 hours of incomprehensible input and zero output training and without using any of the AJATT methods for making native input comprehensible. And then he could pass B2 6 months later by only adding output training.It's honestly kind of impressive how far he got just input gooning, it wasn't even that inefficient, I don't think you can get to B2 with less than 1500 hours.Every time I read articles trying to disprove inpooters I find that in actuality they prove them right.
>>215012968I am in love with my french teacher. You all would be too
I am master dabbler so take my words with a grain of salt, but this: >>215044151 is actually a great method. I still remember entire sentences and structures, and they are ingrained in me. When I was dabbling and using Pimsleur, I instinctively responded in the previous language I had learned (or the one I did the most lessons on)But maybe everyone is different. I remember and integrate things much better when I talk about them or explain them to someone else. Input is important but it's not enough on its own. That's how I learned English, but my output sucks.>>215039435>>215039097It's the only good-sounding tonal language IMO>>215044257That's cool. I've always wanted to visit a few places in Asia. I envy you a bit for knowing which language to prioritize and having plans related to it.
>>215050433Finnish and Uzbek (it's like Turkish, but the people are nicer and the women are hotter)
The pronoun is oblique in the sentence :हमें थोड़ा खाना चाहिए।That is because the grammar subject is the term being affected by the unpersonal predicative, turning the pronoun on the logical subject (oblique).
>>215054812If you break down Pimsleur, it's just input plus trying to mimic what you hear. You probably like it because it spoon-feeds you and it's very handsfree, you can even listen to it while doing other things. The problem is that it's slow and the amount of input is miniscule compared to what you actually need. The standard module is 30 lessons and per lesson you get like one or two short dialogues, broken down for you piece by piece, this means x, this means y, repeat this, etc. In the end, you might memorize some stock phrases and structures with enough grinding, but this strategy is dogshit because you won't understand any response that even slightly deviates from the script.You can apply what you've learned from Pimsleur (in the meta sense) and use it on any text+audio in your TL i.e. break it down, sentence by sentence, figure out what it means, try to mimic the audio. That's all you need to do to learn a language.
>>215057248It's not that I only used Pimsleur, but I used it while shopping, on the bike etc. and other things like comprehensible input, anki, various wbesites, pronunciation exercised with hard things. However, Pimsleur is what stuck with me the most (along with the Italian Anki deck; the teacher had a very theatrical way of speaking).And French lessons are better than Spanish ones. Because Spanish has something similar to liaison, but no one explains it and you have to figure it out for yourself
Present tense of the verb to be on Scottish (tha) reminds of present tense on hindi (है)Bi = होना
>>215057980>Because Spanish has something similar to liaison, but no one explains it and you have to figure it out for yourselffinally somebody brings it up. i even asked a certified™ spanish™ professional™ about it and he denied it entirely. they do contract a lot but don't ever spell it like that, it is actually quite similar to french
>>215057980>Because Spanish has something similar to liaison, but no one explains it and you have to figure it out for yourselfAll languages do stuff like that. Did you charismatic italian teacher explain phonosyntactic gemination?
>>215054812Thanks bro, I assure you I do my fair share of bullshit dabbling too. Chinese is my one solid commitment that is unwavering though
About theatrical speaking, this is also the reason why people remember certain lines and words from anime, but not from western animations or dubbs. German voice actors speak very flatly, and the only expressive lines are “haende hoch” in historical dramas. Dungeon Meshi has great German dubbing, perhaps because there is a lot going on and they argue frequently and I remember some lines even though my German isn't even A1. I can't watch other anime, such as Witch Watch or Dandadan (maybe if I knew the language better)I only watched Shrek in Polish as a child (and I learnt the entire script), but if someone learned English with Shrek, I think it would be easier for them to remember and learn from Donkey's lines and Eddy Murphy's expressive way of speaking>>215058115>>215058119Italian does this the least, but like Poles and Russians, it changes sounds to make something easier or more convenient to pronounce, such as when "un" sometimes changes to "um" before a vowel. Also, you have double constants so it's "un negozio" like "unnegozio" while in Spanish it's often "un nombre" like "unombre" with kind of longer "o" but maybe I'm trippin' rnThere are probably better examples, but I don't remember them>>215058185I decided that for me it would be English, which is why I feel somewhat free to shitposting here
Oh, and euro languages that use cases put a lot of emphasis on the pronunciation of word endings, because these can change the meaning. That's why when imitating stereotypical accents such as Russian, German or Polish, you should read the endings of words. HellO mY frieND
>>215055198>it's like Turkish, but the people are nicer and the women are hotterit's also got way less material to learn it.
English for Everyone with Kevin and Liza
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>>215060144uhadafaq!
>>215055198Özbekche is a Persified Russified abomination and can barely be considered a Turkic language anymore. They don't even have vowel harmony!I would suggest Uyghur, Kyrgyz, or Kazakh. They are easier than Turkish too (not as easy as Özbek but this is because it is a dumbed down fake pidgin language used for communication among ethnically tajik SARTS and atheist post-soviet central asian noviops)
the real redpill about English is that French had little to do with the collapse of the Old English nominal system. It was already underway well before the Norman invasion, all French did was give some new vocabulary.
>>215045469This is just a Chinese tradition. And it has been going on for thousands of years. As a Gweilo, you will not understandRather than saying that the CCP is a political party, it is better to say that the current CCP is just another dynasty in China.
>>215050433Turkish
>>215062066German is collapsing as well. The actual spoken language is losing the preterite, subjunctive/konjunktiv, genitive, dative endings and so on. German is maybe as analytical as it is fusional
>>215045469They are doing the right thing, both for their nation and for the individuals. Smaller regional languages are jails and wanting to keep them alive is an act of narcisism. We should do more in europe to get rid of our regional languages.
>>215062094Did you read my other post >>215046417
>>215060697>They are easier than Turkish tooHow come?
出来ない
very good videos for the emphatic consonants and throat sounds in Arabichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbTTf_ZYSQY&list=PLsDvrtKQZs6qXkj23B-REDhN9znxVVwWJ&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itnQU3QPv80&list=PLsDvrtKQZs6qXkj23B-REDhN9znxVVwWJ&index=12
>>215064196I will compare Turkish with Uyghur bc it's what I'm most familiar with but this applies to Uzbek Kazakh etc as well>no words that violate vowel harmonyTurkish has gay words like saat which take front vowel suffixes while using back vowels (saatler saate)Uyghur doesn't have this (sa'et sa'etler sa'ette)>Turkish has stripped down cases, other languages are more preciseTurkish: i a in Uyghur: ni gha ningmakes it easier to identify cases>merged n and ng, q and k, in general dropped more soundsmakes differences harder to identify for learners>instrumental casejust use bilen>no ataturk chud language purificationTurkish has gone through language purification which makes it difficult to read old texts>Turkish overuse of copulasmost Central Asian Turkic languages just always use null copula>helpful loanwords from Russianmakes it easier for English natives i.e. Uyghur nöl "zero" vs Turkish sifir
>>215062332if Luther didn't use more archaic grammar, do you think German would have already collapsed, especially its case system?
>>215062752they are jails for tiny nations within small nations, but they offer a distinction in such leviathan as modern China. It doesn't feel so only because China is on the rise.
>>215045005they do the same thing in Ireland, produce all these Irish language showshttps://www.tg4.ie/en/but no serious effort to restore the language. everyone wants to be integrated with the English world
>>215068026Then the features I mentioned would be largely forgotten, even by northerners and in text
>>215062331why not binnish?
I won the retard award. What do I do now?
>>215069754Is that a good score? What does it even mean?
>>215069754How do you get a score?
>>215044652Skill issue
>>215069754Add it to your linkedin to show the world how much time you wasted
>>215060697>noviopThere's a whole dictionary of such terms, wut?https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russian_alt-right_glossary#.22Only_for_the_Slavs.22
>>215071678How do you know if I didn't just skip to the last lesson?
>>215045882>Why should I even study other languages when I can't read Proust or Mallarmé effortlessly?Vous avez demandé une réponse mais vous avez la réponse dans la question
>>215071746Based if true
>>215070477That he's B2
>>215071708there's a Russian alt-right? shieetttt
I want to learn Arabic whats the best dialect to learn? I heard Egyptian or Levantine are good as most arabs would understand it. Or would MSA be better?
>>215072609Generally you have to learn both, a dialect for spoken media / actually talking to people, and MSA for formal speech and literature.
>>215072891I see perhaps I'll learn MSA and Levantine then. I know MSA sounds quite archaic to native speakers so I don't want to seem silly.
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>>215062332you know languages have different registers, right?
whats the minimum mature anki words i should have in order to actually gain knowledge from inputting?
Drinking cheap white wine while reading in my TL and listening to gentle Christmas Jazz This is what unemployment is all about. andf proof that my thoughts are in line with the ancient masters
>>215079785Unfathomably basedWhat's your TL?
>>215079785i am employed but i still haven't accepted that i am not a neet anymore, so i stay up all night, drink tea, go to work tired, work, and sleep during the day
https://youtu.be/t8C_sEWYKyg?si=lSBMtUzSD1j6yuiG>>215080193Mandarin >>215080361Nobility aren't meant meant to work, so we feel it in our heartd. Neet mindset never leaves us
my accent in english has gotten too good, it's time to learn how to speak like an indiscriminate european ESL
>>215058115>>215058119>>215058432It's called enlacehttps://www.lawlessspanish.com/pronunciation/enlace-encadenamiento/
>>215079050>how many ____ before I can ____nigger just read, anki is not a magic bullet
Which Jewish language should I learn if I'm antisemitic?I think the Shame on the goyim (yiddish) video is hilarious but beyond that I have no interest in it. Any more arguments towards yiddish?With Hebrew I guess I could read anti goyim rhetoric.
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>>215082429has to be Hebrew for reading their news and tweets and seeing how they think
>>215083755tl;dr: they are actually as just as evil as their arrogant and violent doctrine (i.e. judaism) craves
Дeyc yн кapa гoзaдop, aдopa бpинкaдepaПoйз пpa мин жoгap нy мyндy чиньy мyнд интepyMaйз aшoy мyйт ингpacaдy ми бoтa кaбpepyHa бaхигa дa мизepья нacи бpaзилepy
>>215077435Unrelated
what langauges have the most active generals here?
>>215085910nope
>>215086445that high register is artificial
>>215086591like most of the german you think is declining, historically speaking. anyway, it also depends entirely on region and social caste
Hallo ich heiße Panzer of the lake, und ich bin lerne deutsch. Willst du helft?
>>215087076how is dialectal german artificial?
>>215087590unrelated
SOV > SVO
>>215087128I hope he moves in next to you
>>215044718Will Mandarin basically be truly just “Chinese” then? Because If Cantonese doesn’t stand, I don’t see any other dialect to survive.
>>215089429ist ok. hab ein haus, welches ich nie verlasse
I am quitting Japanese and will focus on French only
>>215089527well, Hong Kong and Macao will still use Cantonese, I don't think that will change soon. And in Taiwan they have different policies towards Hokkien and Hakka but they are still trending towards just using Taiwanese Mandarin.However I think in about 70-80 years no dialects will be used at all in the mainland, because unless there is a big change in language policy, only like 2-3% of Chinese millennials and gen z will pass their dialect on to their children and so on
>>215089527>>215044718Literally even outside of mainland there ware policies in favor of mandarin and most of them had nothing to do with the Chinese government. In Singapore there was speak mandarin campaign, and even in malaysia chinese schools use mandarin as language of instruction. Mandarin was considered the lingua franca of the oversea chinese community way before the current wave of mandarin policies in China itself. The sentiment against mandarin is a foreign concept in oversea Chinese communities and most of them consider mandarin as the national language. It's not really a problem of me vs them. Since most of the mandarin dialects are also dying, including beijing's. But that's just the cost for standardization and migration, even cantonese dialects are dying since most people only care about the standard Cantonese spoken in GZ, HK and Macau.
>>215073554>MSA>LevantineWelcome to the club, buddy.
उनकी माँ और उनके पिता।Notice "माँ" doesn't recive a honorific agreement? That due the fact that India is a very patriachal society.
Do you guys have language learning buddies irl? I don't mean people to practice speaking with I mean other friends who are passionate about language learning. I don't but wish I did. Just someone to nerd out on methods and anki card templates with
>>215087128>ich bin lerne deutschhow do people even make mistakes like this
good afternoon, does anyone have recommendations for french books that are easy for beginners? i want to download some to my phone to help my studies.
>>215094330a few but I've realised that most other language learners are very bad at learning languages
>>215091783>å spise av den grunn Is this some wordplay?
>>215096949Olly Richards "Short Stories in French for Beginners" and "101 Conversations In Simple French" (sounds generic but it's actually a story written as 101 dialogues). After that there's "Intermediate" level sequels for both books.Alex Leroc series is decent, there's 4 books in the A1-A2 level, and later 4 books in B1.>À tout prix>Mystère aux Antilles>L'ange gardien>Jeux dangereux
>>215087672retard
>>215032560InnovationApps is a really good app (pretty sure it use to be several apps but now its all just in one?) for lots of languages.
Do you learn how to write Chinese characters by hand or just memorize them by looking at them?
>>215098416merci beaucoup
>>215099077I can recognise a character easily from seeing it a few times, but I probably won't be able to write it from memory until I write it myself at least once
my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINOplease chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife
How can I express my self better in english? Even though I have a decent vocabulary, I can rarely use it in a sentence when expressing my thoughts. How did you do it? Any good practices I can follow?
is "ich" supposed to sound like the "sh" sound in English?I don't think I understand [ç]
>>215100982It's supposed to sound like radio static
>>215100982It's the sound you make between the c and u of cute, or for some speakers the h of huge
>>215100982the h in human. not at all like sh
>>215100982GUIDE on how to pronounce German 'ich' (I)Ich [ıç] (German Standard German)Ich [ıx] (Swiss German)I [i:]/[ı] (Swabian, some Alemannic, some Austro-Bavarian)Ik [ık] (Northern/former Low Saxon regiolect)Isch [ıʃ] (Rhine-Franconian accent/dialect, optimal if you can't pronounce /x/)Isch [ıʃʷ] (migrant German, with rounded lips, if you want to sound like a retard)Esch [ɛʃ] (Moselle Franconian, including Cologne and Luxemburg)If you can’t pronounce ç in ich, stick to the english sh sound. You will sound like a Rhinelander oder Saarlander, it’s fine and preferable to Anglos who say ‘Ik’
>>215102114they will not sound like rhinelanders, they will sound like foreigners struggling with pronunciation, but yes, it is better than "ik"
>>215102533They would if ç were the only sound they get wrong, kind of unrealistic I agree
>>215102754very unrealistic and also wrong, since the exact sch sound is different from english sh. in ipa both get written as /ʃ/ but they still sound different. polish sz for example also is denoted as /ʃ/, and yet that one is also different from both german sch and english sh. doesn't matter though, all i'm saying is that maybe building a wrong expectation like that is not very sensible. just learn how to do the sound, it cannot possibly be that difficult. and, besides, as we both said, english literally has that sound. it's the h in human. isolate that sound and learn how to produce it in other positions, angloid.
>>215103000oh, i just saw that polish sz gets written as /ʂ/, well that's more accurate then
>>215102114I pronounce it [Iɕ]
manhuagui stopped working for me out of nowhere, anyone has a good resource for manga translated to Chinese? Preferably simplified but at this point I don't mind traditional either.
yeah fuck off retard, i say eingklich and i will continue to do so, nobody got time for all that garbage >>215103633cute. not only is the polish language one of my favorites in terms of sound, i think polish accents sound great and endearing in most other languages, including german. never change, pawełek c;
>been studying japanese for 4 years and spent 6 months there>wouldn't call myself fluent but getting close>coworker always talk about his duo lingo streak, reached 2 years recently>tell him regularly in a friendly manner that he's wasting his time and do anything that's not a dopamine app>having a break outside, see 3 jap tourists>start talking to them and try to integrate him in the conversation>he can't say a single word or understand anything in 10 minutes>tells me after that I'm just good with languages>know he's just keeping the same routine>he's going to Japan soon and I know he won't be able to do anything with the language despite 2 fucking years of learningI guess he's still better than my other friend who will soon move to Japan who started 3 years ago, only knows hiragana and think that if he finds the good method and mindset he'll be fluent quick.
>>215103940just search 日漫 or something on the internet
>>215105171Already looked up 看漫画网上免费 and a lot of variants, also on search engines not blocked on China, but to no avail.The good thing about manhuagui is that it got translated Japanese, everything else that works is just Korean or Chinese slop.
>>215085962probably french, spanish, german, russian, chinese and japanese?
>>215103000ç, ɕ, ʃ, ʃw are the relevant sounds. From my experience I'd say Standard German leans towards rounded lips while the English ʃ is totally unrounded. People from RLP/Saarland are in the middle, but try to unround it or even use ɕ to sound more standard. So in the case of 'Ich' I'd agree that they sound identical to an English speaker.
>>215087128TRVKE: This guy already speaks 2 languages and currently learns a 3rd. He already mogs most of /lang/.
>>215104057The filtering of normies is indeed one of my favorite aspects of this hobby
I don't skip YouTube ads if they're in my TL
>>215097493No it just means "because of that"
>>215107408I keep seeing a gross French ad with naked fat people spraying deodorant on themselves. other than yeah the language makes me want to understand the ads
>>215107668Takk :)
>>215097493It's like "on that ground", i.e. "because of that"
>>215105295A cursory search on xhs got me kox.moe and 漫自由 (mhx12.com), try thoseYour ISP might block them so you should try connecting on a VPN (at least mine blocks zlib and libgen)zlib also works well as they have a massive Chinese collection
I have the urge to learn Japanese, and some Romance language. But mostly Japanese. How to fight this?
>>215109086Second one can't register and first one has a weird leveling system to allow you to download things, but seems promising enough will look further.Thanks anon.
