did you ever go through a Persiaboo or Turkaboo phase in your country?
Ive recently gained a lot of interest in those 2
>>215081360>did you ever go through a peeboo or pooboo phase in your country?No. How's that even a question?
>>215081879looks like someone doesn't know about middle eastern history
>>215081360I was mildly interested in persia for a second. then I realized it was 95% poster and no meat. I liked the story about the phoenix though.
>>215081900Russian chauvinists cannot comprehend appreciating distant cultures
>>215081360>PersiabooYes.>Turkaboo Only when it comes to music.
If that means being Muslim then yes
pointless Indo-European autism is forcing me to learn the Persian language, I can't stop it
>>215081360No, ever since I learned of the first persian empire and Cyrus I have been insisting they should go back to Zoroastrianism because it would be kino. But I have never been a -boo about them or particularly cared.
>>215081360>phasefake fan
>>215082836gunpowder kino doesn't fade
>>215082572ironically, despite getting conquered by Arabs and converting to Islam, Iran would go on to become a cultural bastion of the Asian world for over a millennium, with other neighboring countries becoming Persiaboos and obsessing over Iranian culture and art and copying their stuff. Even fucking India were Persiaboos under the Mughal Empire
There was a cute Turkish girl in like a schoolgirl outfit that used to be posted here on /int/ in like 2013. I thought she was so cute that my opinion of turkey was artificially inflated for at least 10 years.
>>215082572>>215082958Persia always seemed really all looks no substance to me. You never hear about Ancient persian literature like you do with the greeks. I think all I know about them is poetry, and them being mildly fine conqueres for 300 years.
>>215083018>You never hear about Ancient persian literatureBecause you don't live in asiaBesides, most of their important stuff was destroyed, the avesta is a just a jumble of fragments
>>215083018they didn't have literature on par with the Greeks. but they did invent Zoroastrianism, which was the true origin of Judaism and Christianity. I think Rome adopted Christianity in part to compete with them.then after Islam, you get the poetry which is pretty cool
>>215081360>PersiabooI stopped after realizing they were actually all turks until the 20th century
>>215083018>>215082958Persians produced some kinos between 900 and 1100
I prefer the Persian/Ottoman architecture of western. I like how mosques have these carpets. I like the shape of their domes. I wouldnt say i prefer it to western aesthetics but i really love it. Chuds used to tell me nothing about this was impressive
Over the western, All things consideredSome corrections to my phrases. Just my autism
>>215084603The ghaznavid era? Post examples, I'd think the nice stuff would be produced by the big name empires>>215084623That's a poor example. It's like wallpaper over the hagia sophia
>>215083121Did they not write down things as much as other ancient cultures? Egypt has stuff like the book of the dead, and to my awareness most of our knowledge of ancient persian stuff was written by the Greeks.
>>215084623>I like the shape of their domesLiterally Byzantine style thoughbeit
>>215084673>The ghaznavid era? Post examples, I'd think the nice stuff would be produced by the big name empiresno most of the stuff was produced in the samanid era. only poetry continued after that ended.The alborz dynasties preserved some sassanid era literature in their histories and produced some of the more famous mirror for princes literatureThe samanids supported the famous poetsThere were many philosophical works produced under the buyids
>>215084673>I'd think the nice stuff would be produced by the big name empiresIt's the opposite. China's most culturally expressive moment was during the Spring and Autumn Period and Warring States Period.
>>215084687You caught my bluff, anon. I don't know many of the details.>most of our knowledge of ancient persian stuff was written by the GreeksI think this is true, thoughbeit>>215084767I didn't recognize you were talking about literature only. I guess it's fitting that the shahnameh (has?) kept it's place at the peak for so long.>>215084851Was the 900-1100 period characterized by many small, rivaling polities?
>>215084909>Was the 900-1100 period characterized by many small, rivaling polities?Yes.
>>215081360>did you ever go through a Persiaboo or Turkaboo phase in your country?Actually the whitest thing you can go Arab phase also counts for this
>>215084909>I didn't recognize you were talking about literature only.If you go outside literature I guess the Safavids were good with architecture and the arts (your pic). Almost anytime someone posts a mosque they like it's usually a safavid one
>>215084909here's a higher quality version. You can even zoom into the smaller details
>>215084964How did the ziyarids manage to survive? Isn't practically all the arable land in light green?
>>215085027No they had the best land but they were multiple dynasties active there and were hemmed in by the mountains which also protected them and were the reason they survived the arab conquests. The map is deceptive. There were multiple dynasties under the big dynasties and there consist ebbs and flows between which dynasty was strong and weakhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Intermezzo
>>215085065Most of the dynasties listed here were actually not that relevant. Only the heavy hitters are worth remembering. I don't who edited this article.
>>215085065I'll read into that later. My jewtube education failed me, it seemed like nothing was happening then until the mongol's shook it up.Could you give me a qrd on the politics/culture/etc. of the heavy hitters?
>>215081360Not really, but Avicenna was a really cool guy
>>215085140>mongol'signore the apostrophe
I love the Ottoman housing style SO much. Its so clean and sovlful looking.
>>215085204I thought those were balkan. Guess it explains why I thought the turks were the least prolific builders of the gunpowder empires
>>215085140It goes like this>arabs start to lose their grip on power>Abbasid Caliph gives much of the east to his general who helped him win a civil war who starts the Tahirid dynasty>these guys were just glorified governors.>people see their opportunity and start to revolt>The Saffarids rise up and conquer most of the iran but are defeated when they try to invade baghdad>The Samanids defeat the Saffarids who are reduced to ruling a small of southern Iran but unlike the tahirids pay lip service to Baghdad>in the background New Persian developed and people started to write literature.>The samanids encouraged this and supported poets in particular>They relied heavily on turkic slave soliders and would be toppled by them eventually which leads to the ghaznavid dynasty who sort of just continued the samanid model >In the Northwest the dynasties also gradually slipped from central control. They were similar to the Samanids in terms of supporting poets >In the northern alborz region the region was under the Zaydi Alids but in the late 9th century they would collapse due to infighting and the samanids and their former subjects would fight over the territory. >The most significant were Mardavij and the buyid brothers but there were also their rivals who failed to establish dynasties but were significant in their time>Mardavij was the only zoroastrian among these contenders the rest of zaydi or twelver shia>he managed to achieve hegemony over his rivals and conquered parts of NW Iran and planned to march on Baghdad but was killed by his turkic slave soliders either due to them being muslims or because he didn't pay them>His brother succeeded him and was a Sunni muslim so he payed homage to the abbasids and ruled a reduced realm. >The eldest buyid brother established his realm in Persia and sent his brothers north and west. One brother ruled over NW Iran and the other conquered Iraq. 1/2
>>215085363>turkic slave soldiersdid they become the qizilbash?
>>215085363>the three buyid realms would be ruled by the sons, nephews, etc of the original brothers sometimes one buyid would rule all three. >Their most significant political act was turning the Caliph into a powerless puppet>New persian spread in the new territories but they continued to use Arabic and Middle Persian and also supporting the local ethnic languages>They supported many scholars with some of the more famous ones being Avicenna the guy everyone knows, Sahib ibn Abbad who was the vizier and a polymath, and Miskawayh >When people refer to the Islamic Golden Age it's peak was this period from 900 to 1050>The Buyids started their decline at the 1000s and one of their realms was conquered by the ghaznavids for a short period of time eventually they were conquered by the seljuks which ended the intermezzo era
>>215085501The buyids also engaged multiple infrastructure and restoration projects in their territory and were notable among their contemporaries for doing so. see the infamous quote below from the Cambridge history of iran comparing the buyids to the mongols>The most important factor hindering the economic renaissance of the country and contributing to further economic decline was the fiscal policy of the viceroys of the Great Khan, and of the Il-Khans. This policy was particularly hard on peasant farmers, since the taxes were not precisely established, were levied in an arbitrary manner, were collected several times over, and were often of arbitrary size. We shall speak later in greater detail about the fiscal system of the Ilkhans.Let us for the time being note that towards the end of the thirteenth century the peasants had been brought to the verge of poverty and mass-flight. Thus even those regions which had not fallen prey to the invasion of Chingiz-Khan and Hiilegu, as for example Fars, were ruined. Vassaf gives a typical example of the decline of agricultural productivity in the Fars region. The district of Kurbal, considered one of the most fertile, watered by canals from the river Kur, on which were two large dams (the Band-i Amir and Band-i Qassar), yielded about 700,000kharvars(ass-loads) of grain in the annual harvest under Buyid 'Adud al-Daula (949-83). Under the atabeg Sa'd b. Abi Bakr, a vassal of the Il-Khans, the annual harvest there about the year 1260 fell to 300,000kharvars, and before the reforms of Ghazan fell even further, and the khardj of Kurbal consisted of only 42,000 kharvars of grain. The deliveries of grain from the other districts of Fars decreased in a like manner
>>215085467>did they become the qizilbash?no the qizilbash emerged out of turks who fled the mongols into iran and anatolia. They came later which explains their bizzare non islamic practices. The pre-dynastic safavids operated in the following regions (see pic related)
>>215081900no one wants to know anyithing about MENA region nowadays since its people are literal animals
>>215085363>new persianIs this like korea, where they manually changed their alphabet/language?>planned to march on BaghdadThe abbasids were only a cultural force at this point, right? Could they have taken it? I also remember that the various muslim states all respected an unwritten rule to leave the abbasids be. Would they all have turned on Mardavij?>>215085522Were those the underground canals?>>215085561>bizzare non islalmic practicesWas it like tengrism? How did they find their way into the ruling class, especially when surrounded by muslims
>>215085674>Is this like korea, where they manually changed their alphabet/language?New Persian was basically simplified version of Middle Persian using a modified arabic script>The abbasids were only a cultural force at this point, right? Could they have taken it? I also remember that the various muslim states all respected an unwritten rule to leave the abbasids be. Would they all have turned on Mardavij?No the Abbasids still held some provinces personally and still received tax revenue from some their wayward governors turned warlords. I don't think anybody would have cared at that time but maybe later since they were all too busy carving up the caliphate themselves>Were those the underground canals?There were a lot of these but there was more than just qanats. >Was it like tengrism? How did they find their way into the ruling class, especially when surrounded by muslimsThere was no caliphate so orthodoxy was out of the window and they were a shia sect anyway. Many shia sects had a tendency to leave the bounds of islam
>>215081360no, but I like Persia as a multi millenial civilization
>>215081360I went through a Pre-Modern Russiaboo phase
>>215081360I think it's ongoing. I'm trying to find themed furniture for my room now
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>>215085737>tendency to leave the bounds of islamLike the whirling dervishes? what are some other examples?>>215085781Post more please
I always wondered about an alternative history where the turkic leaders of persia and the ottomans put their differences aside and unitef
>>215085863>put aside differences and unitePeacefully? Has this every happened in history?
>>215085854>Like the whirling dervishes? what are some other examples?alawites, alevis, druze, etc. Many of the ethnoreligions in the middle east split off from shia islam
>>215085863>I always wondered about an alternative history where the turkic leaders of persia and the ottomans put their differences aside and unitefinstead they formed an alliance with the austrians
>>215082526What are you using to learn it?
>>215085854Pretty art
>>215085938so far I used this channel to learn the absolute basicshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGXM_wriJ7eGN_5f_hTY4gU6hDPgiSWfXif I get more serious I might look into an Assimil course or something.there isn't as much Persian learning content on Youtube as other languages, but I found some channels for native speakers (mainly booktubers). I would probably just listen to these while using Youtube's auto-generated subtitles for help, they probably aren't 100% accurate but seem solid for Persianhttps://www.youtube.com/@booksonhershelf/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@Hathis1/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@Saharbookish/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@TaraneBooknook/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@maedeh_bookworld/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@Maryamaamalii/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@HershelfStories/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@kiana_am/videosetc.also found a guy covering films and serieshttps://www.youtube.com/@ehsanmansoori/videos
>>215086257I tried as well, but never got passed the alphabet because I kept gooning to the teacher
The West will never give up on destroying Iran. Other bad actors trying to destroy Iran are Russia, China, the Arab League, the Roach Union and the rest of BRICS.The West claims to be a continuation of the Romans who spent 800 years trying to destroy Iran. Out of all Asian countries, Iran is the only one with a legitimate claim to at least 90% of Asia.Iran is sitting on resources worth tens of trillions of dollars. If they could sell resources at market price for at least one week, they could get anything in the world and leave nothing behind. Sadly, Iran is benevolent and will never penalize bad actors. But even then, bad actors still want Iran destroyed.Iran used to be much bigger in the past but they were all killed off by foreigners who invaded their country. Romans and Greeks pushed them out of Anatolia and Levant. Arabs pushed them out of Mesopotamia and Basra. Mongols and cockroaches wiped out Iranians from Eastern Europe to Beijing.100 years ago, Iran survived a genocide perpetrated by the British who starved half of Iran to death.Despite being besieged by the world, they're one of the 12 or whatever countries capable of putting satellites in orbit and they've built a defense so strong that nobody dares to invade them (hence why Westerners are spreading the most retarded propaganda at an unprecedented rate to start a color revolution in Iran).Here's a fun fact. Whenever Iran is weak, it's because someone in Iran turned into a traitor. They shielded a shit ton of Jews who opened the city gates to the Muslim Arab invaders. The reason cockroaches are everywhere in Asia instead of staying in Siberia is because an Iranian royal family in East Asia thought it'd be a good idea to use cockroaches as guards to defend their Silk trade.
>>215086411This post is whiny as hell, pur cope and you still live in America
>>215085854More by Ryabushkin
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>>215081360https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TvIIYWmbBY
>>215081360Average arab word has multiple meanings which give Quran multi interpretation
>>215081360Turkish stuff never really appealed to be, but Iranian cultures and history have a lot of beautiful aspects to them. Same applies to Arab and North African cultures, but it requires to get past the Judeo-American programming most of us have been subjected to from birth.
