ALG Edition>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed) (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldkona: >>215145662
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I AM STILL LEARNING CHINESEWHY AM I DOING THIS?I C'VE LEARNED FRENCH GERMAN AND ITALIAN INSTEAD WITH TIME TO SPARE
it's kind of crazy how bad youtube is in languages other than english. it's all normie slop videos.
>>215289534it actually isn't, it's just that the search function does not allow you anymore to find what you want. to me, it's like that in english. i cannot find a single video in english taht isn't turbo normie garbage, but in german it's fine
>>215289534>inputs My Little Pony and Peppa Pig en Espanol>gets goyslop (en Espanol)mama mia!
>>215289516>FRENCH GERMAN AND ITALIANBut do you need/like them?
When did Danish/Norwegian/Swedish stop conjugating verbs for person and number?
why am i like this >>215290040swedes somewhere around mid 20th century >why? mental retardation
Anything more, anything less? I'm thinking about adding Busuu or Pimsleur (but only for one or two languages). >Italianrefold Anki deck, Dolce Vita with Luca & Marina or Italy Made Easy to drill it a bit because I don't remember much. Italiano sì and Learn Italian with Francesca>SpanishDreaming Spanish, refold Anki deck, Spanish after hours maybeee>Germanrefold Anki deck, A Frequency Dictionary of German Anki deck, Extr@ auf Deutsch>JapaneseRenshuu (only kana for now), one of these famous Anki decks in the futureToday I've already done Anki, Renshuu, and now I'm watching Dreaming Spanish. >>215277215 thx. I think it means you understand most of it, and what you don't understand, you're inferring from the context.
>>215289612YouTube search has been inaccurate corporate garbage for like a year now at least
Everybody wanna be a polyglot but nobody wanna do the hard fucking work
>>215289534it's crazy what a useless idiot you are
>>215288543>ALG EditionGrim
>>215289534Skill issue
Jag läser svenska och finska. Läser också japanska, men det har jag inte så mycket användning för.
Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?
>>215295233Har du lärt dig något skoj ord på finska?
Ain’t nothin but a peanut
>algWhy not use methods that are scientifically backed?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpu66njzdE
>>215295451There is Jänishousu which is like scaredy pants. Slobo is a fun word to say as well.
>>215295632Science this. Linguist that. Real niggas use whatever makes them most consistent.
>>215295632Is that the video where he speaks italian, after studying it for 2 years in university and he's barely intelligible?
Real niggas learn Russian
Last year was "the year of Spanish." Then this year became "the year of Spanish.". Now it's looking like next year is "the year of Spanish." I'm thinking I'm not going to make it.
>>215295936Jänishousu är "räddhare" (scared-hare) på svenska. Mycket harar. Kände inte till slobo. Verkar användbart.
>>215296546Have you considered just learning it?
>>215296468Serbian*
>>215296546>year os SpanishWhat? It took like me like 2 weeks to start speaking it
nao
>>215296546You will never find the baño.
I want to learn more but I can't be bothered to sentence mine so I procrastinate instead
>>215297232Never done that and I'm fine. Stop making up excuses
>>215296546Do it for her
>>215297232Sentence mining is too much hassle desu. I'll either automate it with some kind of guide or I'll never get started doing that. Language Reactor has already disappointed me because the subtitles on Netflix don't match the dubbing
challenge for phonology nerdswhat language is each of the following sentences fromsentence 1>ə ˈɣeːlɟə ˈl̪əuɾiːɾ ə ˈɡuːɟə muːn n̠ʲiː ˈhɔnən̪ iː sˠə ˈɣeːlɟə ˈʃaɡən̠ʲəsentence 2>ˈsɛvɛraːk a ˈslunt͡sɛ sɛ ˈɦaːdalJ ɡdo ˈz ɲix jɛ ˈsJlɲɛjʃiː
>>215297621>the subtitles on Netflix don't match the dubbingwatch native shows then
>>215297642first: irishsecond: idk, something slavic
>>215292176Fuck, too much. Which one to drop?
>>215297858correct
>>215283102I think it's less different than modern English and Old English, but maybe more than Middle Englishit's also less different than Latin and Italian
>An English speaker could probably read Beowulf in its original and understand the gist of it but not really understand it very deeplyDemonstrably untrue
>>215297663Not so many good ones
>>215297912Depends on which one doesn't fit your goal. Italian or Spanish I would suggest. Spanish is cooler than Italian in my opionion however.
Best languages for escapism besides japanese?
>>215299920English.
>>215299953
>>215297642Scottish celtic
>>215300638I mean, scottish gaelic.
The stem of the infinitive आना seens pretty hard to get from INPUT, look at this :वह लड़का अब आ रहा है।The stem is very little to audible.
>>215299805but these two are the "easiest" from my list
>>215299920yeah I think it's just English and Japanese for pop culture... do any other languages have anything to compete with video games, anime, and manga?
>>215297642I like these! Second one is Czech
is there a word for stealing that can be used in a passive way?like i was gonna write>yahweh commands goys to be killed, raped and "stolen from"but that ruins the flow? is there another synonym that's not too niche like pilfer or pillage and could be used here
>>215304338Robbed/looted
>>215304338robbed
>>215304366>>215304374thanks
is palatalization in Russian supposed to sound like there's a "y" sound after the consonant?
Is the Teach Yourself Series any good
we got enough comprehensible input brothers. we are starting on incomprehensible output now.
>>215305136No, it's more like an additional "y" that almost fully overlaps with the main articulation.
>>215289534i literally learned korean because korean youtube was so much better than western.I'm really glad. No more shitty culture war/gender videos. No retarded psychologists/social "scientists". No gross/pervert content. Feels great
>>215307688> korean > culture war/gender Are you sure about that?
>>215294915>hard work lol>tp lol
i can't autohide american flag posts because there are 2 posters (at least i think they are two but it might just be one schizo) whom i like, but the brainlet per capita rate is insane
>>215294915Fixed it for you.
I only ever hear about the 'korean gender war' from white people online. never from koreans. and I consume korean content like 8 hours a day and interact with koreans regularly
>>215308176
>>215299920FrenchOld Icelandic
>>215308399Duolingo is all of that in 1 app
>>215306048I learnt Danish with it.Get the books from Annas and the audio directly from Routhledge
How do you prevent getting discouraged when language learning? I have about 2 and half years learning Spanish and I do enjoy learning it. However, when I listen to music in spanish, I still can't understand most of what they are saying. But I can understand some of my friends when they speak slowly to me. I sometimes feel I am not where I am supposed to be level wise for a person who has been learning for 2+ years. I think I just need to be more patient because I am learning in a relatively unorthodox way. I don't do any grammar drills and almost all my learning is from general input and practicing with my friends. Which is why I think my conjugation skills are rough perhaps because I don't do drills.
>>215309180>2 and half years learning SpanishHow much it will be in hours?
>>215309830I have no idea. I do practice and engage with Spanish every day though. Passively and actively. 90+ percent of the music I listen to is in Spanish. I actively watch video content in Spanish and I actively try to read in Spanish too. My friends tell me I am doing good so I guess like with anything, it just takes time.
>>215310169What's the hardest content you can watch in Spanish? Can you understand TV shows without subtitles?
>>215310209The hardest content I watch in Spanish are random puerto rican podcasts. I find it hard and challenging to watch pod casts. I can understand whats happening in a lot of TV shows but I would say my understanding isn't 100 percent. I am definitely filling in blanks using the context of the situation presented in the show etc.
holy crap Quebec French sounds weirdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkufXP04WZE
>>215289534I watch all sorts of german content on youtube mostly news, docus, and f1 content
>>215311741i don't even speak french and i can tell that that's a weird accent. do the queaisbequoiaiuoaise really speak like this
Spoken Spanish is so fucked up Why can't some of these niggas talk clearly like they do on TV
>>215308852>and the audio directly from RouthledgeHow do you do that
You'll never learn japanese so just give upTry another language like french or something
>>215314415I will
>>215314415i will learn japanese and mandarin and vietnamese and korean
ESLs, I'm curious, how hard is it for you to understand this girl?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lq8tO6S1Kk
>>215314685No you're autistic and you wont learn anything in themWrite a 300 word story on the Tiny Hat Salesmen in each one.
>>215315059Very easy, easier than most content I listen to. She speaks fast, but that's no issue for me at all, because there's little casual speech or slang, and her articulation is very clear. Her thought also develops in a predictable manner. I began studying English in that middle school, which is relatively late I guess. And despite being a good student I didn't engage with the language beyond classes and homework till late teens. But nowadays I often think in English, when I don't even have to e.g. in the shower. I won't be thinking in English in the kitchen, however, because I don't know the names of half of the ingredients.
>>215315606I see, I was curious because of the hyper fast aspie-rambling
>>215315323B1 is not enough to read books comfortably, nor there's any point. The highest % of French literature is translated into English among all literatures. You can find letters, lesser writers, modern writers, academic books translated into English. French is also renders itself easily onto English or Spanish in your case. What remains in your motivation then? To read a somewhat more polished and poetic writing, which you won't be able to appreciate nuances of with your B1? Being able to read French poetry in your rusty French accent?
>>215315686It will be harder for some for sure. She also speaks the way I speak. Not talking about speed or articulation, although mine isn't bad either, but about the manner of constructing sentences, word choice. Pragmatics in other words.
>>215315059Not that hard. She speaks really really fast but her enunciation is also clear and precise and her thoughts follow predictable paths so you can kind of tell what she's going to say next and expect it rather than being blindsided by some random phrase or word. She actually talks a lot like ReligionForBreakfast if he was on crack. Even bizarre phrases like "a soft polytheistic understanding of paganism" are understandable because her pronunciation is so clear that it's kind of perfect.
>>215315825Of course you can read Portuguese, you speak Spanish, you know possible nuances of the words thanks to the shared lexicon. The language transfer from Spanish and English to French is more fuzzy. Maybe if you raise the bar and aim for B2/C1 you will also find more motivation?
I've been learning Spanish for about 8 months now purely with inpoot. I haven't studied a single bit of grammar at all, just watching shows/movies/youtube vids. I'm essentially a B2 level and was able to spend a week in Mexico only speaking Spanish to everyone I met. Should I just keep doing what I'm doing or should I eventually start studying from textbooks? I can understand essentially 80-90% of what people say, and anything I don't understand is just gained from context at this point.
bamp
nightly bump
>>215315059No problemo and I am B1 in English probably. She speaks quickly, but she doesn't mumble
>>215313844https://annas-archive.org/https://library.teachyourself.com/audio/all
>>215314685You will learn one at most. The rest are just distractions from your main one.Vietnamese or Japanese if you want good pussy.Mandarin or Korean if you want an expensive bitch wife.
>>215315323>But yeah beyond that I have zero motivation to learn since I'm not really interested in French culture/peopleBased. Just learn to read it honestly. Its quite quick to get to a good level in French by ignoring outputting entirely. Not that you would ever want to interact with the French in the first place.
Came across the word "auseinanderzusetzen"Translator says it means "explain", but whats the difference between it and "erklaeren"?
>>215321801My translator says it means to deal with, to engage with, to face up to or to come to terms with.
>>215313491i need subtitles irl. i got this frontpage pull and although i like argentinian spanish a great lot, it all sounds like one word to me if i don't have subtitles.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2WVjOj3AeY
>>215322470turn off the subtitles and in a few hours you will get used to it.
>>215315170KEK >>215321801"sich mit etwas auseinandersetzen" is an idiomatic construction that means "to deal with something" or "to go into detail about something." think of it like applying yourself to a topic in depth to try and elaborate the specifics.
>>215322470What the fuck, since when do they have AI dubbing on youtube
>>215322572das gibt es schon seit einer weile, wird aber nicht weitläufig genutzt. vielleicht haben auch nur wenige kanäle zugriff darauf o algo könnte eventuell nützlich sein, wenn man etwas lieber in seiner zielsprache hören will, aber ansonsten nervt mich das eigentlich tierisch, weil es momentan giga beschissen klingt
>>215315323French literature is degenerate, boring and overrated. Just learn the language you care about.
I'm not sure about only input method. I watch Dreaming Spanish and I know some of the things, I can guess the rest, but I can't remember the things I guess. For example, I watched a video with a genie and there was a word for "wish," but right after the video I couldn't recall the word in my mind. I think I'll start repeating after them, despite the method. Pronunciation doesn't seem that difficult. >>215321608how so?
I've actually come around a bit to Duolingo and think it can be alright for getting acquainted with a language as a beginner. It provides a structure to follow which helps and it gives exposure to high frequency words and grammar. Doing the Vietnamese course currently. And then of course have to supplement with looking up grammar tips, watching videos for native pronunciation etc.
>>215323289>I'm not sure about only input method.It works for a child. Not an adult. Something about adult brain is no good with passive learning. Of course there are exceptions. But I recommend traditional structured learning for adults, as in grind your pronunication, grammar, vocabulary, and so on.
fun fact, stuff and staff have a completely different etymology >>215316361>8 monthsHow long is that in hours? Eight months could mean 240 or 1920 hoursAlso, see this: >>215323289>>215325068Yeah, I think I mix it with Anki as I planned but focus on pronunciation of the hard stuff later
>>215316361Maybe add a bit of reading so you can acquire less common vocabulary, otherwise keep doing what you're doing, no reason to change anything if it's working for you.
>>215296374>Is that the video where he speaks italian, after studying it for 2 years in university and he's barely intelligible?https://youtu.be/TYUeXqSlcDg?&t=95He never did that? He said he studied Italian for a month in 2017. The 2 years in university bit was him making fun of other youtubers.
Is British English better than American English?
>>215325659No
>>215325666How comes? You're fat and uneducated.
I stopped studying Japanese 6 years ago but I still understand like 90% of this woman's videoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IP5iSHWNH0
>>215325823I'm ripped, handsome and more educated than you, Ilya.
>>215325855Maybe you would understand 100% if you weren't a quitter.
>>215325933But are you Bharatian, sir?
>>215309180>However, when I listen to music in spanish, I still can't understand most of what they are saying.Have you tried listening to anything other than mumbling reggaeton?
>>215325959There's only two types of "music" in Spanish: the one you mentioned and whimpering guitar moaning about love o algo. No real music in your language, it's really fascinating how almost a billion of moors and their spawns are entirely incapable of producing culture.
>>215326042What music did you ever produce other than Tchaikovsky's insufferably saccharine shite, the tetris theme and kino?
>>215326042I don't care, cossack. Learn a language or fuck off from the thread.
>>215326080I'm learning English here.>>215326072Shit tones of rock of all sorts, a lot of good alternative and nu-metal, a lot of folk and neo-folk songs, even our rap and rap-like music has unique sophisticated flavour. Russian does have good music.
>>215326072tatu
>>215326072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4
>>215326362Thought this cunt was some type of Baltic for some reason. Russia, I kneel. I will now learn your language
>>215326151This Russian song about Saddam Hussein was absolutely kino. I wish i understood what it said but it'd probably take me years to learn Russian and i would probably never get to use it https://youtu.be/18axICrk5Tw . Link more Russian kino please
My TL suggesting me a video of a playmobil talking with about a famous British novel… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ncbjvWY0c
>>215326560I know you ask for some meme shit but here are some genuine gems:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4CN2WOJ4Hghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg549d-oQEUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY1fE4EnO5Q
>>215326877Thoughts on Shaman, Kirkorov, Baskov?
>>215326072https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_lyb_leaj8
>>215326898Кaл.
>>215311741>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkufXP04WZE
>>215326042Reggaeton is a cancer but what's wrong with that>whimpering guitar moaning about love o algohttps://youtu.be/EsmE9xoe6es
comparison is the thief of joy
They call it climate changeThe way I get colder every year
>>215328032The assessment of one's abilities is impossible without comparison.
>syllabic consonants
>>215329014doesn't english often do this too, similarly to german? at least with n for example, when you say "betting on a horse," and shorten it to "bettin on a horse," can it not come out as "bett'n on a horse?"
When practicing Spanish, I am noticing that I am not translating in my head as much but I am noticing a hard time recalling words. Like I will hear a word that I know I know and just not be able to recall what it means. Is this literally just a input issue or should I just be practicing more?
>>215329525yeah, but the syllabic consonants in other languages usually don't exist in english.
*Lazarus*
I'm doing daily Pimsleur Modern Standard Arabic + its Anki deck. Any other recoommendations?
>>215332977English has [m̩], [n̩], and [l̩], which are definitely the most common syllabic consonants worldwide. AmE even has [ɾ̩] sometimes. The only common one that English doesn't have is [r̩], which I can understand being difficult.
>>215295233Hur lär du dig två språk på en gång? Jag antar du redan kan någorlunda svenska och bestämte dig att också lära dig finska. Lycka till, britanon.>>215295451>>215295936Jag tycker det roligt hur betydningen av "rappakalja" på svenska har utvecklas till at betyda rotvälska.>>215336054ابدأ بمشاهدة بعض القنوات اليوتيوب متخصصة بالأطفال اللتي يتحدثنون بالعربية الفصيحة. تكرر فيهن الكلمات الأساسية كثيرة، وتصبح أيضًا متاعدًَا للإستماع في نفس الوقت.>>215326560I've learned it mostly passively up until now and I'm surprised how within a few weeks I was able to mostly understand comments left by russians under youtube videos and get the general gist of what is being said when hear the language in public. Maybe speaking an agglutinated language gives me and edge.
In anki, are recall cards (NL front TL back) even necessary and/or effective, or just recognition cards are enough?
>>215336054>Any other recoommendations?Don't waste your time learning Arabic. In the time you'll spend to become fluent in this one hellishly difficult language (that's not even including all the different dialects because no one uses MSA in vernacular speech) you could learn 2-3 IE languages instead that would serve you better and actually improve your life and make you a more cultured and worldly person. With Arabic you'll have spent this colossal amount of time and effort to be able to better converse with sand monkeys and the worst kind of sand monkeys to boot because if they're not educated enough to be able to talk with you in English or French then their opinions probably aren't worth anything because our cultural output is purely the best ways to engage in durka durka-ism or preversions of 20th century political thought that aims to marry liberalism and islamism (it never works) like we're still in the 1800s and trying to figure out how laicite and religion fit. There is nothing of value to be found in Arabic that hasn't already been done in English and or French and is probably better in the latter two than what arap shitheads will make of it. I've personally never in my life woken up and thought "jee wizz thanks God for letting me know Arabic I don't know what i would've done without being able to perfectly understand sand monkeys". I doubt you will either.Tldr: Don't do it. Waste your time on something more productive.
>>215337816>ابدأ بمشاهدة بعض القنوات اليوتيوب متخصصة بالأطفال اللتي يتحدثنون بالعربية الفصيحة. تكرر فيهن الكلمات الأساسية كثيرة، وتصبح أيضًا متاعدًَا للإستماع في نفس الوقت.ابدأ بمشاهدة بعض قنوات اليوتيوب المتخصصة بالأطفال واللتي تتحدث بالعربية الفصحى*. تُكرَّر/تتكرر فيها الكلمات الأساسية كثيرا، وتصبح أيضا مستعدا للاستماع في نفس الوقت(؟)Tried correcting your phrase. No idea what exactly you're trying to say in the last part, what is "متاعدًَا"?*: This could be الذين يتحدثون بالعربية الفصحى instead of واللتي تتحدث if you mean the kids and not the channels, wasn't entirely sure which one you meant so went with the one that made a bit more sense, as no kids use Fusha to speak really. Also قنوات اليوتيوب المتخصصة بالأطفال والناطقة بالعربية الفصحى sounds better, but I tried to keep the wording of your message.
>>215337842I've been thinking about switching. I've heard from some of the more intense language learners that they learn to speak faster this way since they have to actively remember it. I avoided it before because I didn't want to get into the habit of translating from my native language, but I tried it recently with sentences and it does seem to stick better and help force production skills to develop.
>>215338555أردت أن تكون القنوات هي المبتدأ الجملة لذلك استخدمت الاسم الموصول المؤنثة.كان قصدي انو رح يصير متعود يستمع للكلام العربي بس اركبت خطأً لما كتبت الكلمة معتاد.Also I know that "natiq li ghayr/3arabiyyah" sounds more natural but I thought I'd keep the vocabulary simpler for anon.
>>215338216>2-3 IE languages instead that would serve you better and actually improve your life and make you a more cultured and worldly personWhich ones?>Waste your time on something more productive.Such as?And what is so great in French?
>>215339354>Which ones?French, German, Dutch, Russian (dying superpower but still), Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Spanish (LATAM speaks this), Portuguese etc would all be more useful than Arabic. >Such as?Vidya, gooning, tranime, etc>And what is so great in French?The language of nobles and highbrow literature for a few centuries with a very strong literary tradition and a massive backlog of every genre from history to art to poetry. Also a major language used by the UN alongside English. Infinitely more useful than Araplari in my opinion and far easier too.
>>215338216my gf learnt Arabic for 5 years and never used it after she graduatedalmost none of the girls in her degree went into jobs that used Arabic or were related to the Arabic-speaking world at all. some of the guys went on to be translators or work in import-export
>>215339468Fuck, you're making me want to give French another shot. Not sure about Spanish and LatAm. It's a great language and I love it but I'm not sure about "improving someone's life", especially in Turkey or even in EU
>>215288543How do I stop being this guy? I hate socializing.
In what way does reading in your target language help you? I am in a rough patch right now where I can read way better than I can speak or understand my target language via speaking. If I can see the words, I can quickly make sense of what I am reading. How the fuck did this happen?
>>215321608at least being married to a korean or chinese woman seems to come with a lower chance of ending up in a sexless marriage than being with a japanese woman
>>215340873Passive skills (reading+listening) improves faster than active skills (writing+speaking). It’s easier to watch a math lecture than to actually solve a math problem. Part of the reason why “immersion” doesn’t work. At least the version lazy retards do. Like watching tv shows in the target language, or moving to the target country but only speaking few routine words daily, perhaps at the cashier.
>>215341609>Part of the reason why “immersion” doesn’t work. At least the version lazy retards do. Like watching tv shows in the target language, or moving to the target country but only speaking few routine words daily, perhaps at the cashier.What is a better combo of practice then? For me, I listen to music and read a lot but I also practice speaking frequently using apps. I wouldn't say I am particularly good at speaking but I can definitely make conversation. It just won't be fluent.
I read a lot. Often, I come by English words I either haven't seen before or aren't particularly familiar with. So I started gathering these words into an Anki deck. Right now it's over 1000 words. With something like 600k words in the language, no matter what your native tongue, there should be something here you haven't seen before, and plenty more to add. Nothing beats a good, broad lexicon.https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/412658911>also sharing this on /lit/'s /wg/
>>215338216what about Arabic literature? anything interesting historically besides the Quran?
>>215343458you should be able to find it all in good French translations
I can't make a decision
>>215343625Japanese
>>215343666Back off satan
>>215343666>>215343715the demon lord has spoken, just like in my anime
>>215343625You're procrastinating. You'd rather daydream about which type of oriental pussy is warmer than actually do the work. If you actually sat down and studied both of them for a month, it would become very obvious to you which one you prefer studying.
>>215343625For modern languages Japanese is the best, for pre-modern languages Classical Chinese is the best
>>215343824My best friend is Korean but there's better ESL teacher opportunities in China. If my friend was Chinese I would not be having this quandary
>>215343898None of that shit matters. It's going to take 5000 hours to get anywhere near fluent in these languages and by that time you might break up with your friend or realize you want to follow a different career path. All that matters is whether you can do the work every single day.
>>215344009>It's going to take 5000 hours to get anywhere near fluent in these languages and by that time you might break up with your friendWe made an oath in a peach garden that though we were born of different mothers and at different times, we would die on the same day and if we should ever do anything to betray our friendship, may heaven and the people of the earth both strike us dead
>>215343840Just learn French dude
>>215344099based dubs
>>215344259top 3 saddest anime death of all time
>>215344190French is the best, yes
>>215343715>>215343754I'm lucky with the digits todayThis is also my post >>215325666
>>215344516哇塞
>>215338682>I've heard from some of the more intense language learners that they learn to speak faster this way since they have to actively remember it.Interdasting, tho it kinda makes sense. So it's one or the other huh? Cuz doing both means the amount of cards is doubled, ain't no one got time for that yikes
Damn I want to study Latin, Ancient Greek, Classical Chinese and Russian now
>>215344099giga based
>>215304338Burgled is clearer than robbed, because robbed could mean you are literally picking up the guys and carrying them off. But burgled sounds ugly.
>>215344099holy based
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>>215338216>Don't waste your time learning Arabic. In the time you'll spend to become fluent in this one hellishly difficult languageNot any European languages are worth learning. IE languages are so ez to learn and requires almost no skills. I gave up on learning languages for people and money, but it's only worth for Quran right now.I hate Arabic as much as you do, especially the Egyptian dialect. Don't worry about that. >>215337816Thank you.
>>215343625>Gookbabble spoken by 50 million people in a tiny peninsula and 20 million people in a closed off dictatorship, no history, no culture, mid food>A global language spoken by 1.4 billion people with the longest uninterrupted history in the world, philosophy thousands of years old, diverse and interesting modern culture, loads of work opportunities Is it even a choice
>>215345544Just learn French
>>215348127I read 1.5 hours of French today
>熬夜 sounds like >awwwe yeh
>English 1.5 years to achieve C1>Spanish, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese 2 years to C1>German, French2.5 up to 3 years to C1>Japanese6 years to C1Is it really that hard to learn a language on a decent level?
>>215350811C1 doesn't even exist for japanese.
>>215351447Equivalent. It's all conventional anyway.
>>215351550All levels except B2 are fake but for other languages you can bribe some organizations to give a C1 to you.
I passed the JLPT N1 in 2021 with a 164/180 score. I'm still far from fluent.
>>215346033>because robbed could mean you are literally picking up the guys and carrying them ofNo it can't
>>215351645I want to know a language above the B2 level then. Idc about official certificates, but I don't want to know the language poorly. It sucks.I want to be able to write essays and articles on topics that interest me in my TL, freely play rpgs and improvise while doing so, take part in improvisational theatre, be able to clever talk back, sell a pen, speak as fast as auctioneers
>>215351722Have you tried using the language
>>215343898>there's better ESL teacher opportunities in China.Last I checked all the English teachers were whining and bitching about how the falling birthrates and a new government policy to focus on teaching various foreign languages instead of just English was raping their revenues
>>215351722We told you
>>215346033>because robbed could mean you are literally picking up the guys and carrying them offno?
>>215354367The main thing fucking them over is the 双减 policy that is closing down English training centres and after school teaching. Also they want to employ more Chinese English teachers because they are cheaper and they want to reduce reliance on westerner
mongols really speak like this huh
>>215356866Imagine willingly learning this language
why do some French verbs randomly have "se" in front of them
russian would be easy if i could into palatalization
Feeling utterly defeated and embarrassed after being unable to get a single sentence out in front of a native. From now on I'm doing at least two hours of output with a LLM a week.
>>215358905You can just talk to yourself btw.
>>215359040I'm going to start trying to think more in my TL as well. I fell for the no output meme so I wasn't even doing that.
French is enough for you little Australian boyDon't overextend yourself
>>215357901Their script is beautiful but it's full of fossilised spellings from hundreds of years agoThe modern language sounds like Papuan tribesman speakBaa gaa noorin khalooruu baina guu?
>>215343824based and truthpilled99% of the questions people come here with could be solved with simple hard work
>>215359218No output doesn't mean no output forever, just no output for a long time.
>>215347755>and 20 million people in a closed off dictatorshipBut enough about the Samsung Republic!>>215358099>why does n language have this grammar feature i can't grasp so I'll just say it's silly or randomEvery single time. Things are there for a reason.
Is it possible to achieve a good accent in French when you are old?Is it possible to earn good money with Japanese? If so, in what industry/how?What about Italian?Everywhere they write that Spanish (or Chinese or Arabic or Portuguese recently) are profitable to learn, but how does it look in practice?Has anyone worked with the French, Germans, Spanish, or Italians and can share any insights or comparisons?>inb4 follow passion onlyI have a few hobbies, most of them pretty useless on the job market. Language is such a specific hobby that it would be cool to work with it. And on top of that, I want to strive for a foreign language to influence my life path.>>215343824I daydream about where it would be more enjoyable to work. I tried several languages. I rejected some of them outright, others I am still considering, I even learned a little of some, but there are so many options and so little time>>215359897You work hard, and then the question arises: is it worth spending so much time on this particular language?
>>215360383The only direct way of profiting off languages I see is becoming an "influencer"
>>215360615Yes, but I'm also talking about regular work. If you devote two, three, six years to learning a language, you might as well look for a job that requires that language and work with people who know it.
kind of weird in how many online games you cannot type in cyrillic. that said, the oldschool chat transliteration is very funny to me. seen people use 4 for ч and 3 for э, but the most unhinged thing was 9 for я. it's so funny to me that i do that even in games where you can type in cyrillic
thread theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfEywxd3qI
>>215361353Before unicode was widely adopted you could basically only use Latin script and Japanese on the internet Lots of languages developed "chat alphabets" to write their native script (usually Cyrillic or Arabic) into Latin because of this, some of which are still in use todayAlso Cyrillic is often disabled because of the risk of link spoofing by using a Cyrillic a or o in place of a Latin a or o etc, so the link looks completely the same but it takes you to a completely different website that then phishes you
>>215362021oh yeah i'm aware, but this doesn't really apply to modern video games. sometimes it seems like not implementing support for different languages is intentionally done to discourage the use of other languages but english. if that's so, it doesn't work, that's for sure. but i also know it poses about zero difficulty to implement it... so maybe there is some kind of intent
>>215358099the nous version of se is just nous again>Nous nous écrivons.absolutely barbaric
>>215362319>is just nous againThey're serving different purposes, you know that, right?
>>215358099It's means the verb is reflexive (subject is the object)Sometimes the meaning of a verb is a bit different when it's reflexive too
>>215362681https://leconjugueur.lefigaro.fr/conjugaison/verbe/revenir_pronominal.html
>>215362319as if english is more original about it l0l
>>215362319When I was in high school my english teacher had had a stroke. I hoped that that wouldn't hold me back but maybe it did.
>>215360383>Is it possible to achieve a good accent in French when you are old?No>Everywhere they write that Spanish (or Chinese or Arabic or Portuguese recently) are profitable to learn, but how does it look in practice?Just learn german, lil bro.
>>215366254good post
>>215362121There can sometimes be rendering issues or exploits, or they have a custom font that can't support the other scripts
>>215367219I do like the language, especially Hessian. I have never worked with Germans, so I don't know what it's like. My interactions online with them where so-so and I heard a lot of bad things from people working with them. So idk anon
>>215368010tick tock
>>215351722Life's painLa vie, c'est douleur
>>215368456seriously though where do these jordie clones come from
>>215360383>You work hard, and then the question arises: is it worth spending so much time on this particular language?Good question but serbbro basically answered it already. If you put in 100 hours of hard work you'll probably know if it's worth putting in the next 2000.
>>215368010on the other hand, i work with a lot of polish people and it's been quite pleasant. was also surprised to see that many companies over there have 1-2 people who speak german. like they hire poles who can answer the phone in german just for slightly better customer service also lived with a polish roommate and he didn't seem much different from east germans. i think in general there aren't so many differences between our people. can't speak for west germans though, those are a mystery to me aswell
my collection of stereotypes about people from different cities in Xinjiang
If you could pick another language to be the international lingua franca instead of English which one would you choose and why? It can't be your native language.
Is there an browser addon that counts how much time you've spent watching YouTube? I'd like to count it like Dreaming Spanish does>>215367219>NoFuck>>215371841Kashubian or Slovak because these are the closest to Polish. Maybe Czech. The downside would be that Polish would seem funny to everyone, just like Dutch does now. Eventually Occitan.
Which grammatical form do adjective lemmas in Sanskrit correspond to?Vocative masculine singular?
>>215372097I think picking a language just because you would be able to speak it is pretty lazy. Imagine how kino Japanese would be as the world language, now that's an interesting scenario
>>215371841russian because then everybody in online games would speak the same language
>>215354367>last I checked bitchers are bitching Whoa who would have guessed >>215355759Good
>>215371841Latin for larp or japanese because I like it
>>215372712good idea, I say Latin
>>215372352I just really like Polish, West Slavic languages and my southern neighbors. Culture in my region would also flourish. The series about Janosik would have the budget of Game of Thrones, and Nohavica would be the equivalent of Taylor Swift. Japanese as an international language would either lose its unique character, or the world would copy Japan's approach to copyright and work culture.
>>215371841>>215372576i am half serious about russian though. if not, then spanish. already has a fuckton of speakers and the romance dictionary shouldn't be hard to get used to after english has been the lingua franca. hell, i'd wager it already is a lingua franca in some parts of the US, and the most spoken language in the continent underneath
Ha ha, I only did like 20 minutes today and then I got high.
retarded flatmate interrupted my input session because he lit incense sticks in his room and set off the smoke alarm
>>215343625Whichever you will use or neither.
>>215373161could have just not done duolingo and gotten high right away, amounts to just about the same
Damn I just remembered one of the reasons why I was studying Japanese was to read Classical Chinese with onyomi pronunciationMy motivation for Japanese has returnedI will do it!
>>215373917What's your TL score on Duolingo?
>>215374149i don't know what that means
>>215371841Finnish or ancient Greek (if dead languages are allowed). This decision is motivated by a desire to avoid communication with individuals of limited intellectual capacity and an elitist perspective.
>>215288543How is that you get more emotionally invested with your second language? I've been learning english for about 5 years now but I still struggle to understand the context/nuance of conversation sometimes which makes me sound awkwardShould I make friends that speak english or have conversations with natives with my voice?
>>215289534Your TL algorithm just isn't focused yet. My Spanish videos were total slop at first, now it's ending me 'real nigga' videos about shit I'd probably watch in English.
>>215377812What are you watching?
what's the most fun language to pronounce?
>>215289534I was in a similar situation, but after some time, I found videos that better suited my tastes.
giga cozy German vlogs from this channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfvkjx8Nfgk
Studying mandarin. By far the best and most useful language. I love China and the Chinese.
when did u guys start immersing? trying to immerse but understanding nothin is jarring. i could immerse for hours a day, 300 mature words on anki but idk if im gaining anything
>>215378775damn that's a terrible voice. it has that same annoying creaky thing as the voice of diana zur löwen. i never met someone who speaks like that irl, this has got to be an adopted habit and i really really really need to measure her skull
>>215378964at least it's not as bad as this... I think. she sounded weird to mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HipnIMkBjMY
>>215379288LOL does she do voice acting for underage characters or what why do they all have such weird voices
>>215360383>Is it possible to achieve a good accent in French when you are old?I mean probably, with heroic effort. Like actually hiring a speech therapist in France. But no one will do that, so we just meme’d the FSI Phonology or shadowing or some other bullshit method.
korean is too fucking hard
>>215380593but don't you forget that it's also pretty and cool as shit
will i really be able to conjugate just by inputing?
what's babby's first slavic language?
>>215382267Macedonian. It's essentially a relex of Spanish.
el bumpo
>>215382279somehow i doubt that
>>215378545Old Norse easily>>215378910If you don't understand it it's just a waste of timeTry reading with a lookup dictionary or grinding very short beginner dialogue
>>215383974
>>215378545any Turkic language/vowel harmony language>>215381489it comes pretty naturally whether you input or not, at the end of the day it is not really a big logical "leap" from Englishsame as stuff like SOV, learners of SOV languages never say SVO sentences because SOV is just so easy to understand and get into your brain
I just now found out that there is no language called Swiss. The Swiss apparently do have their own language but it’s not called Swiss, it’s called Romansh and only a minority of people speak it.
I think lute is quite good actually
>>215384346i used to think bulgarian was absolute grug speech compared to other slavic languages, but it actually has top tier autism of the best kind. macedonian however is as fake and gay as their history. how can this be a real language? don't they feel any shame? >>215384581did you know the swiss language (swiss, not romansh) is non-context-free? the only other language this can mathematically be proven right for is dutch. isn't this a fascinating fact that makes you want to pack your belongings and depart for switzerland and learn the way of the eidgenosse once and for all
>>215363015Yes, they still serve different purposes. It might be that you're just obtuse and mad that you cannot grasp it.
>>215384987>fake and gayTrue but Bulgarian isn't the very model of trvklear and superstraight either. Remember how one day some very serious people noticed that some dialects elided final -t and others didn't, and decided this would be the perfect way to graft a case distinction onto the new unified Bulgarian's definite article?
this sounds pretty gay, I thought Hungary was based and trad?
>>215385759Sounds Arab to be desu with you
Some random Japanese bloke: We just can't decide on what to name our exam that tests your proficiency in the Japanese languageGuy that coined the term JLPT: ...Say that again
>>215385759what's supposed to be strange about this
>>215386755gay detected
>>215386978do you really question your sexuality this easily
Can you recommend any translated manga for learning a non-Japanese language?
>>215384987>i used to think bulgarian was absolute grug speech compared to other slavic languages, but it actually has top tier autism of the best kind.Didn't it only get rid of cases and whatnot as a result of over the top reforms during the communist period?
>>215362121I would only think that's weird if the game has localization for that language but doesn't support it in chat
>>215387359what would you say if the same game supported chinese characters fully but not cyrillic
>>215378910Depends what you mean by immerseI started listening to native content right away and I do it for hours a dayIt's been almost 5 months and I miss a lot, but I understand enough to enjoy what I'm doing
>>215387700That their Chinese market is (expected to be) bigger
bumph
>>215385759Yeah, I've always found it off-putting that other people (Spaniards, Italians, and the French) kiss each other on the cheek. I don't even want to shake hands with someone who uses his to jack off. The Japanese have the best greeting: just bowing to each other, without physical contact.
>>215384581>it’s not called SwissBut Swiss German exists, and is massively different from standard German.
I really hope you're not wasting time on grammar drills.
>>215391418I think it's beneficial once you have enough input
Input teaches you more than a book ever willI just learned my first racial slur in my TL
first surprising German things learned"-en" might not be pronounced"-ig" is pronounced like "ich"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_central_vowelfuck this
>>215394177what's wrong with it?
>>215384776What's that?
>>215389918We used to do this too. At least in older generations
do native speakers really understand 'skl' as school?
>>215394977I haven't seen it before but must be zoomer slangreminds me of people typing "Asian" as "azn" for some reason
>>215378910I started day 1 with Lute, knowing basically zero words.>>215394977It's just basketball Americans that love shortening words for some reason. Most of the time it's obvious based on context, other times you need to consult urban dictionary to figure out what it means.
>>215289534French youtube is supposedly really good (admittedly I only watch english videos, but still)
last bump
time for a new one anyway
oh now I'm embarrassed
