Did you do something HARAM today?
Yeah I gooned
>>215331952>Thanksgiving (Evil)It's just a holiday where you cook a ton of food and get together with family, pretty much ever country has something like that.
I am a Disbeliever and I am breathing, please stop imitating me
>>215331962>location: London
im an atheist. however i dont celebrate any of those so called special days or holidays.
>>215331952jerked it to mommy JOI this morning, though i'm not sure how haram the incest part is
>>215331952>Thanksgiving (Evil)lmao what makes this one unique?
letting my dog sleep on my bed
>>215331952took a shit and wiped with the wrong hand
>>215331952>He doesn't know shirk mean claim to be message/friend of god (sheikh/imam/sultan/archbishop etc)
>>215331952I exist in a state of disbelief and shirk (I'm a Christian).We had Church today.
>>215331952Spent my entire morning gooning to the point of having thigh cramps
>>215332495An archbishop is a disbeliever though
>>215331952I'm unironically reading the Qur'an at the moment.
>>215332612Post proof
>>215332612Pakistan Zindabad
>>215331952bacon sandwich for lunch
>>215332643It looks like a book m8>>215332691I'm not a paki, I'm just into theology and religion. I've literally just started it and the second sura is long so can't really comment on it so far other than it immediately starts saying don't be like the unbelievers.
>>215332612It's a difficult read (a disjumbled mess of bad prose), but luckily really short.Also a massive facepalmer, about every 5 mins you're in shock people actually think it is wahi.
>>215332754What flavor of brown are you?
>>215332754The first surah that muslims recite is already anti-Christian and Jews.
>>215332782Its not even that bad
>>215331952slept in and didnt do morning prayer to meccajacked off to futanari porngonna go eat some eggs with bacon for breakfast
>>215332754Also, the chapter of the cow is hilarious. I recommend getting Dakdok's translation. He's a Christian Egyptian so he doesn't do the usual muslim adding tons of lipstick and make-up to the text but gives a translation that's pretty accurate.
>>215332754Just read the online Quran
>>215332839It really is, you have to either be raised in the cult or read it after being heavily subverted by muslims to not think so.Doubly so when compared to the Bible.
>>215332910What's so bad about it
>>215332754>>215332872Here you go: https://thechristianprince.com/EBOOKS/The_Generous_Quran.pdf
>>215332782Mate I was facepalming in the author's introduction, about how Mohammed would turn red and tremble when he was having a 'revelation' and people would wait to see what he had to say. That being said I'm trying to go in with an open mind and see if there's anything to be learnt from it.>>215332816>>215332872The second sura so far actually mentioned that Jews, Christians, and Sabians (whoever they were) know God and will be with him after death which was surprisingly positive, but it might change.>Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.The cow is the second sura, I'm reading Haleem's translation as it was recommended.>>215332899I wanted the physical book, reading online is shite.
>>215331952yes, posting on /int/
>>215332946The disgusting morals? The hatred towards Christians and Jews? The disdain for those not of the ummah? And again, the disgusting morals?Not to mention the text itself is really badly composed and unoriginal, with some parts lifted straight out of the Talmud and Mishnah, arabian folklore and even some verses from al-Qais.Possibly one of the best anti-dawah methods I've ever seen work is when I just tell a muslim to read the 4 Gospels. The contrast is astonishing.
>>215333038>Mohammed would turn red and tremble when he was having a 'revelation' and people would wait to see what he had to sayThere are several sahih Hadith describing that. Why would you facepalm at the introduction?
>>215333226Because I hadn't even started reading the actual main text, just the introduction, and the translator was talking about that and it just seemed absurd.
>>215331952Why are mus-cels like this?
>>215331952Arabs will refuse to celebrate Halloween because it’s haram and then go on to groom minors
>>215331952l ate pork, l fapped, l cursed, l was lazy
>>215333038>about how Mohammed would turn red and tremble when he was having a 'revelation' and people would wait to see what he had to saySomeone turn this into a soyjak
>>215333038>Jews, Christians, and SabiansYeah, 2:62 is not about us. The quran makes a claim to this non-existent group of Christians and Jews that somehow are also mu2min. Surah 5 even explicitly goes out of its way to also call Christians people that commit shirk (a far more serious crime than simply kufr).But make no mistake, Jews and Christians are not considered believers in islam and you can read the tafsir by ibn kathir on 2:62 for that and yes, we are absolutely called the worst of all creatures in 98:6.
>>215332959Thank you! I was actually looking for this. Reading the Quran accurately in English is so much more comprehensible than reading it that “Arabic” that everyone pretends to understand.
>>215333266>it just seemed absurdWelcome to is-lame, KEK Enjoy the ride. People usually convert due to being love bombed by muslims, in spite of the texts, not due to them. It's why islam can't keep converts (~75% leave after a few years). After they say the shahada they actually start studying islam and realize the huge mess it is, you kind of have to be brainwashed from a young age to ignore all the issues in it.
>>215331952Takfiris gigaschizo ascetic salafists are the most based muslims on earth
>>215333364Not exactly but close hehe
>>215333490To be fair, they are actual muslims that do follow islam.
>>215333422My pleasure! Happy to be of help.
>>215333391Supposedly Islam means submission to God so the Abrahamic prophets are considered Muslim because of that. As I said, I've only started reading this so can't comment on it much yet.>>215333471>People usually convert due to being love bombed by muslimsYeah I've seen that, it's nearly always a white woman wanting to marry a Muslim man and he requires her to be Muslim, although apparently Muslim men are allowed to marry 'People of the Book'.
>>215333422When are you going back to bangladesh, sadik
>>215333682Islam plagiarizes then distorts many of the figures of the Bible, often altering them significantly as well as altering entire narratives.But I didn't say anything about prophets, re-read my comment - I was specifically discussing 2:62 and you thinking it means they consider Christians and Jews believers. Re: love bombing, I don't mean just the women, dudes will also get the same from guys being "omg we're like brothers akhiiii" kind of thing
>>215333682Ranjit do you hope to acquire a Paki Muslima wife?
>>215334020Might actually be a white Brit surrounded by Paki dudes trying really hard to buddy him up and invite him to islam. I've seen that happen before.
>>215333682How much are you planning to read? It looks pretty long
>>215334008Yeah fair enough I'll learn more as I go, I am curious about what it says regarding jihad which is often seen as the most vague and controversial part.>>215334020For fucks sake I'm not a paki, if I was paki I'd have this shit drilled into me from a young age and wouldn't even be questioning it.>>215334092I don't and have never associated with pakis, as I said I like learning about religion.
>>215334135I doubt I'll read it front to back, I'll read it until I've had enough. I recently finished reading a load of early Christian texts so I'm quite used to religious stuff.
>>215334137Whatever you say pal>>215334092How often does it happen in your country?
>>215334137The jihad parts arent ambiguous at all.
>>215331952Is jerking off to transgirls HARAM though?
>>215334137>jihad which is often seen as the most vague and controversial part.Wouldn't say that's the controversial part. Probably the most controversial parts are the total legitimacy of rape, theft and murder, as well as marital rape and beatings, the several layers of supremacy embedded inside it: >muslims are superior to non-muslims >every kind of non-muslim is better than a Christian and polytheists >men are superior to women>the free man is superior to the slaveIt completely subverts the Christian view of the equality of mankind (imago dei).Then it's all the batshit insane stuff mohammed did in his life (the main 6 hadith books + the sira).Jihad is fairly straightforward, they have two types (little jihad and big jihad) one being the actual physical subjugation, humiliation ("saghirun"), and murder of non-muslims (as commanded in quite a few verses like 8:12, 9:5, 9:28-29); the other is the internal struggle, of preparing to subjugate, humiliate and murder non-muslims. They often like to cover it up as "just the inner struggle to be a good person" which is hilariously false.
>>215334367>total legitimacy of rape, theft and murder, as well as marital rape and beatings, the several layers of supremacy embedded inside it:>>muslims are superior to non-muslims>>men are superior to women>>the free man is superior to the slaveBased>>every kind of non-muslim is better than a Christian and polytheistsWrong but still based>SaghirunNo such word in arabic, you're a jeet
>>215334213Extremely common when I did Uni in Germany and worked in the UK.
>>215334367>˹Remember, O Prophet,˺ when your Lord revealed to the angels, “I am with you. So make the believers stand firm. I will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers. So strike their necks and strike their fingertips.”kek I see what you mean
>>215334461Never knew it happened in Germany, although that would make sense I guess. Interesting.
>>215334435As always, muslims lying.صَٰغِرُونَYa ibn qahba.
>>215331952>Thanksgiving evilbruh
>>215334574That is a gramatically incorrect word in any form of arabic that's not a south asian loan word. Let alone in the context of being a descriptive for jihad. Go back to karachi or wherever you came from
>>215334732Thank you for proving the quran is shit as that is a direct copy-paste from 9:5 KEKBut yes many people agree the quran is full of grammatical errors.
>>2153347869:29***
>>215334574>>215334732>>215334824
>>215334786>until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.>الۡـكِتٰبَ حَتّٰى يُعۡطُوا الۡجِزۡيَةَ عَنۡ يَّدٍ وَّهُمۡ صٰغِرُوۡنَ ٢٩You're saying there's such a thing as a "humbled jihad" "humbling jihad". You're obviously a jeet with minimal pseudoarabic understanding and it shows
>>215334929>claimed the word doesn't exist>was shown to be wrong>seethingAbsolute KEK
>>215334435>>215334732You said the word doesn't exist and is grammatically incorrect.
>>215332495man people like you will always try to weasel out. it's one thing to sin and admit it, another to justify it and make it sound like you're not doing anything wrong.
>some Traditionalist Scholars hold profile pictures ,online avatars and even distributing photography as harem or discouraged
>>215334533Do you find Islan evil and false now?
>>215331952why is he writing in infidel tongue. HAAARAAAM.
>>215333391>Surah 5 even explicitly goes out of its way to also call Christians people that commit shirk (a far more serious crime than simply kufr).It's Surah 9:30-31 dummy.>The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded?>They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah,1 even though they were commanded to worship none but One God. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. Glorified is He above what they associate (Yushrikun = commit shirk)˹with Him˺!Then Ayah 5 prescribes the appropriate treatment for mushrikun dogs:>But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay zakat, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Indeed, here the wisdom and mercy of Allah is clearly shown. The mushrikun have 4 whole months to vacate the lands of the believers and if not they face death (necessary punishment) but fear not! For Allah wastes no life that need not be ended, they always have the option of embracing the faith of Allah and submitting themselves to Him, that they may become faithful Muslims and follow the righteous deen. Behold how Allah is indeed merciful and magnanimous for his grace does verily extend to all, even to the lowliest kafir and mushrik.
>>215334979I'm not doing taqiya or defending it but for fucks sake you can't understand semitic grammar and how root words form nouns stop it you're embarrassing yourself you're just wrong as fuck and trying to lecture native Arabic speakers to boot. Just quote parts and leave don't try to make shit up when you don't understand the language.
>>215336195That seems violent to kill people because of their faith
>>215336316>"I'm not doing taqiya or defending it">*proceeds to do taqiya and defend it*well...
>>215336195You don't even know your own book? I was referring to 5:72,5:73,5:116.>>215336316The moroccan said the word doesn't exist and that it's grammatically incorrect.I literally copy-pasted it from the quran itself. See the quoted replies.
>>215336316See:>>215334979>>215335012and the comments those are in response to.
>>215336507What do you know about Arabic grammar, Rajeesh? Please do enlighten me, is وهم صاغرون حال اسم جملة، حيث هم ضمير غائب مبني في محل رفع مبتدأ و صاغرون خبر علي صيغة اسم فاعل مرفوع،والجملة "وهم صاغرون" في محل نصب الحال الذي يصف الفعلOr is it something else?? Do please tell me if you've invented a new branch of na7ou. Also explain to me what 7al is and how it's used, all in Arabic of course. I WILL know if you use ChatGPT or simply translate an article. Have fun Mr. Rajeesh the Arabic linguist.>>215336678It's a noun as in it's not a verb (words in Arabic are either verb (fi3l) noun (asm) or proposition. (Saghrun) Is a noun yes but it doesn't describe humiliation itself it's a grammatical structure that when literally translated means "and they are preforming humility" because the particular structure ف-ا-ع-ل is used to denote a noun that means the doer preforms an action. It can't be translated into English because it doesn't exist in English because English is not a semitic language and doesn't use root verbs. Study more.
Guys what’s going on here
>>215336959I don't even know man
1984 the religion
>>215336959Trying to explain semitic grammar to the a3jami foreigner who doesn't understand the grammar because it's hellishly complex before jannies nuke this thread. I don't blame him for not understanding it my HS grammar book was 500 pages long and i did two of those and i still don't understand wtf is going on with our grammar. Feel free to ignore it you probably won't understand it even if you try anyways and you won't ever need to understand sandmonkey babbling's intricate grammatical nuances.
>>215336866>seethingYes or no, did the moroccan say the word doesn't exist?Yes or no, did the moroccan say that it is grammatically incorrect? Yes or no, is the word that I copy-pasted directly (>>215334574), IN the quran?
>>215332322Thanksgiving is commonly and inaccurately explained with the story of the First Thanksgiving, a thanksgiving meal the Mayflower pilgrims had with the wampanoag indians. There's also a pretty typical angle of being thankful for the land we live on now. This means a lot of people see Thanksgiving as a celebration of native genocide. All of this is stupid because thanksgiving meals were just a general protestant thing during colonial times and for some reason having one big annual one in fall became a tradition in north america.
>>215337096See: >>215337130I have no idea what you're on about
>>215337130The Quran already has enough jihad and open calls for bloodshed as is for any normal person to be shocked by it why do you need to make shit up? Next time you go to your Arabic teacher (if you don't have one i strongly recommend that you get one) ask him to explain these three lessons : اسم الفاعل، الحال، حال اسم الجملة to you. The orignal argument was that the phrase "وهم صاغرون" implied the existence of a subset of jihad abour humiliating the kuffar which it does not. I don't care what the Moroccan said, the word its root and the conjugation all exist and none of them are grammatically incorrect. I would know i studied the language for 14 years of my life. The conjugation is called اسم الفاعل in a phrasing that's called حال ,that's used to describe how/the state of an action when ir happened, specifically حال الجملة which is when you use two or more nouns to make a حال . Stop assuming I'm trying to mislead you and try to check before calling me a liar please.In case you don't have an Arabic tutor/can't afford one (you really should get one) this video does a pretty decent job of explaining it :https://youtu.be/GrgelRMH-gU . If Arabic is one of the most difficult languages to learn out of all world languages why do you think you have everything figured out when you don't have a 6th grader's grammar?
>>215331952I don't know what things are haram but I'll guess at least 5 times today and I haven't even left my house
>>215336866>>215337577Lol wait, are you going nuts because I said "humiliated"?al-Tabari agrees, pretty sure he's an arab speaker
>>215337577Ibn kathir agrees as well, he's also an idiot with no idea about arabic?The gall you have to not even call out the moroccan for claiming an arab word doesn't exist and even saying the quran has grammatical errors, yet you come at me for saying "humiliation" which is just me communicating what scholars have said.Classic hypocrisy.
Awfully progressive of him to hate Thanksgiving isn't it?>>215331962This + ate pork, flirted with a woman and talked to another one who runs a coffee shop.
>>215331952>disbelievers wash their hands>washing hands now haram????
>>215338162I see that I've wasted an hour trying to explain this to you and you've even read the tafsir and you still can't understand it. There is no special jihad called "humiliating jihad". There is only jihad whose goal is to spread Islam and destroy the enemies of Islam. It's that simple there is no more nuance to the matter. All other discussion is either gaslighting or debate about how and when exactly jihad should be waged and what should be done with the inhabitants of the newly conquered lands.I sincerely hope that you'll read this through again once you've learned a bit more about Arabic grammar and that this attempt at teaching you wasn't all in vain. Do please revisit this thread sometime and at least watch the video i linked to you. At least you not understanding the grammar puts my doubt about you being a Jew to rest. A Jew probably wouldn't need me to explain this to him because Biblical Hebrew's (especially in the early books) grammar is pretty similar to ours, and failing that he could've just asked a Mizrahi or Sephardi to explain this to him. Not a complete waste of time i guess.Do please stop jumping to conclusions and assuming what i mean. I meant exactly what i told you and grammar isn't subject to opinion even if you dislike the person teaching you and what they stand for.
>>215338249The word does exist i never claimed that it didn't. It is perfectly grammaticality correct too. I'm not the Moroccan. You just want to misinterpret everything that i say because you're still a novice and excited at the thought that you made a new discovery. Come back in a year or two.
>>215337577And no, you sand donkey, arabic isn't the horror story you pretend it is and semitic grammar isn't some out-of-this world unimaginable construct, triliteral consonantal roots + templates for derivation is very straightforward and it's an incredibly regular language with few surprises. There are european languages that are more difficult. One could even pick up the basics of a dialect in 3mos or so and fus7a isn't some 300 IQ challenge lmao. Reminds me of that ridiculous claim that arabic was the language with most words (like 12 million) and it was just some dude that calculated all possible variations of roots and added them up, it actually has closer to just 6k roots. Greek does actually have an enormous number of words.
>>215338497>cries about gaslighting>attacks things I haven't said>>215338545Yet you're awfully silent about his false statement and his blasphemous statement and seething at me for what is a position that's completely non-controversial.Imagine an inbred goatfucker like you thinking yourself above your classical scholars KEK
i had protected sex with my girlfriend
>>215338575>triliteral consonantal roots + templates for derivation is very straightforward and it's an incredibly regular language with few surprises. >There are european languages that are more difficult.I like to think of myself as being fluent in English and you're dead wrong. Completely and categorically wrong even. There aren't any European languages harder than Arabic unless you're talking about crazy agglutanige languages like Magyar or Finnish or some shit. Most Arabs don't actually understand Fusha grammar and sheikhs that have studied it for decades in Al-Azhar regularly make grammatical mistakes in it because no one actually speaks it natively. That's not even mentioning Quranic Arabic which is even more difficult. Read the thread again, watch the video, and stop putting words in my mouth. I know it feels good to have made a "discovery" in Islamic theology but do also consider you don't know what حال is. Again, actually study the shit you're talking about please. Scratch that, you once mentioned having Coptic friends in another thread, ask them to explain what the grammar means. I wouldn't mind an apology afterwards for calling me a liar but that's probably too much to ask.>>215338646I'm not seething at you for insulting the religion I don't believe in sky daddies and may Allah smite me with his non-existent thunderbolts or whatever if I'm lying. I'm only trying to teach you Arabic grammar but you think I'm trying to convert you to Islam or something
Not gonna read that, start posting hijabi porns ahmed
>>215338857>obsessively chimping out over muh grammar>I never even made a claim based on arab grammar and simply quoted islamic sourcesYour entire position is some bizarre strawman
>>215339055This is completely pointless and i frankly regret wasting my time and not engaging in your demagogic polemic dogshit and actually trying to teach you instead of going "X is le hecking good/bad and you're based/cringe!!!!!!!!!". Trust me i won't repeat this mistake again and won't try to correct you again. Have a good night anon because mine certainly hasn't been very good since i spent all of it trying to force some sense into someone who just wants to hecking own the muzzies with no care for detail. If you actually learned you'd be even better at constructing arguments, and ones that would actually convince Muslims but suit yourself.
>>215339294>more yapping>more strawmanningAre you that retarded? I wasn't even talking to a muslim lol
