>2025>Still not a Chinese century Hansissies... did we get too cocky?
Some things are invaluable, white negro
>>215355783>outperformed by monkezilians Rusnigabros… it’s over…
>>215355815Happens like everywhere, where gypsies or South Americans aren’t present, I constantly leave the phone waiting for me in the food courts, who the fuck would even still a fucking iPhone 15
S&P 500 majority value is off the backs of 7 tech companiesall 7 tech companies are betting on AGI37 trillion USD in debtmanufacturing have been entirely shifted to chinaeconomy was prospering off servicesnow india is taking american jobs in services tooheavy inequality, top 50% of america is richer than top 50% of china, but bottom 50% of america is richer than bottom 50% of china, even though GDP per capita of america is way higher
Bruh how are we still top 8Keep up, rest of the world
>>215355818Trust the plan.
>>215355783They're already bigger when adjusted to purchasing power parity doe>Inb4 poor people pointsCope, it's more accurate because they both manipulate their currencies
>>215355783>All he had to do was nothing>Does something>fucks it upChina will not surpass the US economy for several decades at the earliest and that is still being optimistic. This causes immense seethe to point out for some reason.
>>215355862You realize that GDP and the stock market aren't the same thing right ?
This is the Polish century
>>215355783This + Chinese gdp is in useless things like steel factories and shipyards while american gdp is useful things like doggie daycares and Goldberg Sachstein financial manipulation institute
>>215355783You can ignore China GDP. It's ridiculously bullshitEarnings 2024- Apple (US): $125.67 billion- Xiaomi (CN): $3.38 billion
>>215355783Why are we outpacing the frogs?
>>215355783Y japan so bad? Japan son worse then britain
>>215358051its 2025. Service ecomies will always outperform manufacturing ones. Are youn apllying that innovative tech companies are less desriable than sweat shops ?
>>215358322because GDP is a meme.
>>215358354The "innovative" """tech""" companies only exist because of american financial manipulation. Once the house of cards come tumbling down and you cant give free federal reserve money to startups that run at a loss for 15 years they will all vanish as suddenly as they appeared. People really think an app that lets people work as gigslaves to cart people around in their own cars and in return for nothing takes a 50% cut is a "technological revolution".
>>215358221GDP isnt the stock market
>>215355783japan was higher than germany in GDP like a year agowhat the fuck happened to them?oh I know IRRESPONSIBLE DEBT SPENDING200% OF FUCKNIG GDP IS DEBTWHY CAN'T YOU DO LIKE WE DO IN GERMANY AND HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL CAP ON DEBT?
>>215358051USA has a twice higher manufacturing PER CAPITA output than Chyna.
>>215358868Output of what? Shitty tables that are sold for 10x the price because they're made in amerikkka?
>>215358811They have a weak currency or something.
Not collapse but they will defiantly slowdown in the near future. China's issue is that their citizens became to rich. 20 years ago they could pay their workers nothing and hyper manufacture everything because their country was still poor, now the average person in China requires higher wages and is interested in pursuing education rather than being a sweat shop worker, USA is already starting to move alot of their manufactruing jobs to Mexico instead now, this last year they pumped Mexcio with 40 Billion dollars in FDI. When you are a devolping nation you can simply increase your labour supply or capital stock ( China did this through having a really strong savings rate) and grow your economy, but for first world nations you need to invest in education, techonlgy, R&D, innovation, property rights etcThe other issue with China is they created infrastrucre projects on the unrealistic assumption that their economy will grow at 5-10% forever which is unrealistic. Their provinces and municipalities when into debt financing failed infrastructure projects and cities with no one to live and pay property taxes..
>>215358910curious why you're in sweden and shilling this shit
>>215358936China is dyeing 200 more years usa surpremacy
>>215358910>sold for 10x the priceIf they are 10x the price, then how do they sell them?
>>215358936they built their whole economy on cheap labour but that increased local prices requiring more salaries for people not to starveI think there is a word for that in economics but I forgot
>>215359002lel lefty pol fags who come here and shill for china
>>215359002Mainly contrarianism because I hate america like any good yuropean
>>215359039why are you arguing with him? he's clearly dishonest>CHINA PRODUCES MORE THAN AMERIFCA!>actually americans produce way more per capita>NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT ONLY GRAINS AND STEEL ARE REAL GOODS EVERYTHING ELSE IS FAKEclearly a coping creature
>>215358936>USA is already starting to move alot of their manufactruing jobs to Mexico instead now, this last year they pumped Mexcio with 40 Billion dollars in FDI.This isn't true at all Zhang.Automotive companies moved here few years ago and with Trump they are starting to move back.
>>215359071it's one thing to hate america (which is understandable) but another to be delusional
>>215359039Americans will pay 12 thousand dollars for a table made from an old log and 80 liters of turquoise epoxy>>215359076I simply asked what the output was, price of goods? Tons of steel? "10x manufacturing" doesn't actually mean anything in particular.
>>215359100It's an old copypost from 2023.
>>215359076Even still focusing strictly on manufacturing isn't really a good way to look at economy. Manufacturing jobs are usually out in poorer nations for cheap labour. Devolped countries tend to have more high skilled jobs
>>215359163>price of goods? Tons of steel? "10x manufacturing" doesn't actually mean anything in particular.producing goods in moderation so as to not crash the price is literally 101 of supply and demandchina overproduces shit by forcing it instead of letting the market decide and it causes them lots of losses, and now they're paying the price
>>215359244in whatever measure you want to measure, america is light years ahead of everyone elseI don't like america, but lying to yourself is how you become a third world nation that doesn't improve or competeaccept that america is still ahead instead of paying for propaganda to convince yourself and your people that you're doing better
>>215359140China is simply focusing on the real economy rather than the fake&gay economy that's increasingly the focus of the USA, and when the Exorbitant Privilege of the Dollar ends the fake&gay economy will deflate like a whoopie cushion sat on by nicocado avocado. That's why I am hyping china, and when USA falls yurop will be far freer, hopefully.
>>215355815The result of having cameras absolutely everywhere + social credit score. I don't think people in most western countries would be ready to swallow that pill
>>215359371lol
>>215359354I'm not doing any of that I am steering the conversation away from the restarted sede who thinks that mass manufacturing is a sign on a Tron economy. The USA's advantage comes from it's techonglical and military advantage raising capital like no other and spending like no other on research and development USA's economy is heavily drive on consumption China's is on international trade and devaluing the yuan so people import their stuff
>>215359354Of course america is still ahead, but it's the one that's resting on its laurels and will be due for a rude awakening. Especially with the "lets force american factories to pay 50% steel tariffs" policy by donald chatgpt trump
>>215359417Fair, I thought you were agreeing with him>>215359436yeah the tarrifs thing is retarded, and may actually have set in motion america's deathstill the fact that america is still standing despite that retardation tells you how ahead they arethey can afford to act retarded for decades
>>215359163>Americans will pay 12 thousand dollars for a table made from an old log and 80 liters of turquoise epoxyFalse. For example China started producing cheap cars en masse in 2020 and amerisharts started buying them. Also US has 3.2 Trillion revenue from exports (China has 3.8T for comparison)
>>215355783>the gap is only getting bigger as years go by
>>215359562USA exports inflation, if that stops working the whole country will collapse. People don't realize how exhausted the US military really is, we're not in the iraq war era anymore. A collapsing empire always seems eternal until suddenly it fails all at once.
>>215356642Please buy the Witcher 4.
>>215355783China becoming more developed has been good for everyone, they made a lot of things more affordable. You don't want the wealthiest to have a monopoly on things. A lot of companies like Apple and NVIDIA have a lot to thank for China, without them they would not be where they are today. Even ignoring the manufacturing chains and logistics China has built up they are also a giant customer base. More competition is good for everyone
>>215359385Explain the Koreans and Japanese then.
>>215360888China's One Belt One Road failed. China is already retrieving money from the global south, instead of investing.Skyscraper collapsed in Bangkok>After the collapse, Thailand seized 2441 tons of defective materials, and confirmed that concrete reinforcement bars didn't meet quality standards. This Chinese supplier has reportedly delivered products to other construction sites of the One Belt and One Road project.https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1905514384996401154/vid/avc1/540x960/aDP0mV875GGHv9Da.mp4
Chang bros...Shein was valued at $100 billion after a funding round in April 2022.[11] As of February 2025, it was valued at $30 billion.[12]
>>215358535>>215359371Sven:Just because the only service you interact with is a food app, on account of being unable to converse with other people enough to order food in person, does not entail this is the only piece of a service based economy.There are whole obscure industries which rely on opaque technical innovations you've never heard of. And every sector of this, every piece of the economy, requires financial services and capital. What do you think happens when nobody buys products from a factory due to limits on capital? The factory closes. What happens when nobody can finance the factory? It never gets built.The idea of "real economy" is bullshit. Anything where people exchange things they deem of worth is part of the economy. Literally no manufacturing can exist without a network of logistics, accounting, and financial services. Not to mention tailored computer programming. You may think manufacturing is "real" because it has some physical thing you can imagine, but it's just laughably ignorant. Not to mention, the US has a massive energy and agriculture sector.In fact, manufacturing is one of the simplest things any poor country can offer. All it needs is cheap labor, while FDI provides the technology and capital.And guess what, all those airy "fake" things like laws, patents, and IP actually matter. A lot. Because companies and individuals need those to provide a guarantee of return while also giving the market a chance at participating in their innovations, rather than rely on feudal guilds.Any company which puts it all in China will ALWAYS be fucked over, and always loses. They always fuck over the foreigners for their own, and the unconnected Chinase for the well-connected, while maintaining a phony, controlled financial market. This is why they can never be a reserve currency.
Chang bros...Top CCP Official Reveals China’s 30 Million Car Profits Are Less Than Toyota’s Single Profit
???????China is way ahead of the USA>Inb4 PPPNigga a nail in the USA is 20 dollars + tip in China its 0.0000000000002 dollars stop coping
Chang bros...China's solar panel companies are in the red. The production capacity of solar panels far exceeds demand, and the market price has not stopped falling. The market cap of LONGi has fallen to $18 billion. Four years ago, their market cap temporarily exceeded $80 billion, but 70% of that has evaporated.
>>215361567Seething retard
>>215361226I don't care about geopolitics. If you want to buy a wireless flash trigger for example you can buy a a Profoto one for $400 or you can buy a Chinese one for $80. Western stuff used to be even more expensive when they were first introduced. Sure, large studios in Western countries will have Profoto lights, modifiers, equipment, etc. but for beginners, hobbists, non-Western people, etc. Chinese studio lights, equipment have been a game changer. Same with audio equipment. Studios will have Yamaha monitors or something like that, legacy brands. Bands will use Sennheiser or Shure IEMs and wireless transfers. But for every day people Audio-Technica and Chinese stuff have been great. China made a lot of things affordable for hobbists in areas where Western companies had a monopoly with little innovation.
>>215361640Chang bros...China Railway fails to reduce massive debt, totaling -$800 billion, as of the end of 2024
>>215361713Why should I care about that?
>>215361780China's real-estate crisis is even worsening.2021: Evergrande defaulted on $300 billion of debt2023: Country Garden defaulted on $187 billion of debt2025: Vanke CEO resigns, about to defaultVanke's default will cause the next biggest property crash in China.>Vanke, one of China's largest property developers, said that its top executives were stepping down and warned of a $6.2 billion loss for 2024, the latest sign that China’s grueling multiyear property downturn has not reached the bottom. Across China, dozens of real estate companies have defaulted on ballooning debt. Millions of home buyers have been left without apartments that they had paid for.
>>215361780Austria has been testing their Chinese trainset for a while in Hungaryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN8RMbjNF2sHere are the Serbian train sets that were meant to be put to use between the two capitalshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeIlw7WM0GY>>215361818Are you a bot or something? I don't care about internal Chinese politics.
>>215361920China's real-estate business seems into nightmare-level, there's no way to recover from this. - Evergrande (2024): -$20 billion (according to ChatGPT) - Vanke (2024): -$7.36 billion https://companiesmarketcap.com/vanke/earnings/ - Shimao Property (2024): -$5.77 billion https://companiesmarketcap.com/shimao-property/earnings/ - Country Garden (2024): -$3.07 billion https://companiesmarketcap.com/country-garden/earnings/
>>215361780You haven't had to live in the conditions of not being under the US, and being under a different national ethos.>>215361567PPP isn't a good metric for this.But it's kind of a dumb comparison. Goods and services in Thailand or Indonesia are even cheaper than in China, but so are the salaries.
>>215359605American input in those cars is probably like 20% while chinese content in some cars is probably 100%. >>215361389Manufacturing nowdays is automatic and with expensive equipment. All chinese companies that make factories in my country nowdays would have be profitable in USA too due to low labour intensity
>>215361512Chinese carmakers are having huge CAPEX (their expenditure on investing abroad is bigger than investing inside china now) while Toyota is building no factories and is milking american boomers
>>215362346Toyota is the best car brand though
>>215355783Well, almost everything you use is made in China. The problem is geopolitics which makes old owners of the capitalism rich.
>>215359315>market decideMeds
>>215355981It's funny how true this is. Two of his biggest fuck ups were when he did things and could have just left them alone. The first was disappearing Jack Ma for a while and blocking the Ant Financial IPO which caused a capital flight of several trillion that hasn't returned and then his autistic zero covid strategy of shutting the country/cities completely down when there was a case detected years after the rest of the world had moved on. Eventually they changed course on both but several years later their growth hasn't rebounded.
