Brazil might not be an ethnostate in the strict sense, but many Brazilians do seem to prefer the company of other Brazilians over people from other countries.
>>215365842brazil is an ethnostate
>>215365842It's a familiarity thing
>>215365927Do Brazilian Israeli couples exist?
foreigners don't understand our «melting pot with one culture» ideology.
>>215366192A melting pot is supposed to ultimately produce a monoculture, a blend.
>>215366241the redundancy was to make the point more obvious. People these days think that having mixed origins produce multiculturalism
>>215366030no its illegal to mix with brazilians
>>215366192That's the best combination yet we've always sabotaged ourselves, it fucking sucks
>>215366454What did the US do right then?
>>215366454I don't think we've sabotaged anything. We are very slowly evolving and trying to reform less efficient political and economic structures that were inherited from the early modern period
>>215366567nta but:>having a literate population>having a big population early on>having free press>having universities and manufactures>conquering vast swaths of fertile soil>phasing out slavery>fighting a war to crush the backwards planter class that still clinged to slavery>doing a homestead-based land reform after giving the middle finger to big farmers>annexing everything in their way until they just border two weak neighbors>propping up industry in the correct way>being the biggest winner of two world wars
>>215366574>less efficient political and economic structuresSuch as?
>>215366803read this and you'll understand >>215366791
>>215366567Solid constitution, an actual federation and solid goals from the start.Our monarchy let the elites grow even further, then opened its legs for the republican coup, and since then we've been in a cycle of left vs right, while the center, the elites, are still there doing whatever benefits them the most. We are federation only in theory, most of the power is in Brasilia. The country has no actual goals, and this is the 7th constitution, which is also due to a change by how shit it is.
>>215365842Brazil isn't an ethnostate in any sense whatsoever.People here have Middle-Eastern and Levantine (Syrian-Lebanese, Jewish), Eastern European (Ukrainian, Polish, Russian), Southern European (Spanish, Portuguese, Italian), East Asian (Chinese, Korean, Japanese), Northern European (German), African (mainly West and Central Africa), and Amerindian (mainly Amazonian and Atlantic) origins, as well as any sort of mix between these.The whitest people in Santa Catarina will look nothing like the blackest people in Bahia, who will look nothing like the most Indigenous people in Manaus, who in turn will look different from the typical highly mixed triracial (pardo) in Rio de Janeiro, who will also look nothing like a Japanese-Brazilian in São Paulo, for example.People just have a really shallow, limited, and ignorant idea of Brazil. The international mental image of a "Brazilian" is strongly based on football players (mostly pardos from poorer and browner areas and blacks such as Pelé) and movies (which are almost entirely based on Rio de Janeiro and the favelas, which by the way, are around 11% of the country).There are parts of the country where you'll hardly ever find a black person on sight, there are parts where the same is true for white people, meanwhile is other places the average Brazilian will look like an Italian, and so on.
>>215366876actual federalism was tried in Brazil and it was the most retarded stage of our country
>>215366959without cherrypicking people in the far south or some outliers in são paulo, all of the country is triracial mestiço with heavy portuguese ancestry. You people need to stop with this snowflake syndrome. Yeah a colono in SC and a black guy in the one of the only black islands in Brazil won't look the same like the rest of 90% brazilians
>>215366192It's just a civic nationalism. Every nation with even a bit of republican tradition has something like this.
>>215366959whenever you see some br talking about how we have every nationality in our country he's from these specific placesthese are the people bro's talking about
>>215367064no it's not because it has a heavy ethnic or racial component. You must racemix, you must follow one tradition, your blood and mind must blend with this group of people with shared ancestry (nation). Civic nationalism is about everyone respecting the same institutions, respecting the flag, singing the anthem. The US is the archetypal example
>>215366982Yeah, let's drink some Coffee and Milk and pretend it was due to federalism
>>215367271states were responsible for everything in governance, the federal gov't only existed to bail out 2 specific states sometimes if there was an economic crisis. We had state states fighting wars with each other for territory. I dont miss it
>>215367044I have been to five states in four different regions and "90%" of Brazilians looking the same is simply not true.People like you say stuff like that either because you're ignorant just like foreigners and genuinely believe it or because you lowkey wish it was true.Even pardos in Rio de Janeiro look different from Pardos in Pernambuco for example, despite both being brown, you can find some phenotypes which are almost exclusive to each state.>>215367120I just Googled "população Espírito Santo" and "população Pernambuco" for these images.
>>215367386most people don't look like football players and don't look like colonos at the same time. Most Brazilians look kinda like puerto ricans but we are too embarassed to be vanilla latinos so we pretend to be more exotic. Having different shades of beige or brown doesnt make you special bruvespirito santo is a state with small population and one of the major outliers in the map I just posted, so you're proving my point there
>>215367064One of the most popular flag proposals for the Republic was one that highlighted the 3 base races of Brazil
>>215367386also you even went out of the way to pick a photo about pomeranian traditions in ES and specifically afrobrazilian for PE, ignoring the vast majority of the population in both states that don't fit in these categories
>>215367681most people look the same with 1 token ginger and 2 token blacksthis team is a good representation of brazilian demographics
>>215367681What's that? Volleyball?
>>215367460You talk as if the population of Brazil was evenly distrituted all over the country map.Just because some of the most diverse population is concentrated in certain regions or originates from more recent immigration that doesn't mean their numbers are small or they're not Brazilians.Guess what, the most populous state in the country in São Paulo, which is also the hub for different ethnic origins, 45+ million people being over 20% of the total Brazilian population and most of Lebanese, Italian, and Japanese descent people in the country are right there for example.>>215367544Yes, because my point was the diversity and both of those demographics are sizable within their respective regions, neither is really rare to find at random.You remind me a lot of a YouTube comment I read some time ago saying Morena Baccarin didn't look Brazilian. It was some Brazilian guy from the Northeast I assume (because of his profile picture and name). I was genuinely shocked at the ignorance because being someone who's been all over Brazil I have been to places where most people would look much closer to her than not and to me it was mind blowing that a Brazilian could genuinely think that.She could even be considered a "parda" depending on who you asked, and somehow a Brazilian still said she doesn't look Brazilian, genuinely unbelievable.
>>215367926Yes
>>215367978we are a monolith with islands of diversity. I don't deny that we have some slight variations in the proportions of different races on the mix, but almost everyone is triracial with mostly portuguese ancestry. Almost everyone has the same range of phenotypes, with some minoritarian outliers.São Paulo with all the immigration received still has most of its genepool coming from portugal, with substantial native and african influences. The immigrants only managed to spice it up a bit and maybe make their skin color a little lighter than average>Yes, because my point was the diversity and both of those demographics are sizable within their respective regionsThey are actually tiny minorities. Most people in ES have italian ancestry, most pernambucanos are vanilla luso-mestiço brazilians with some sprinkle of black in the coastal area.>You remind me a lot of a YouTube comment I read some time ago saying Morena Baccarin didn't look Brazilian.to me she looks brazilian but with some levantine influence on her face. That skin tone is THE median brazilian tone. It's our registered mark. Her eyebrows, her hair, her high cheekbones, her lips are all very Brazilian. Just the eyes and nose are a bit different but still looks like a regular person>It was some Brazilian guy from the Northeast I assumeof course you would assume that. let me guess the northeast is black, the south and southeast are european, yadda yadda. funny memes
>>215366959cherry picking won't change the fact that the vast majority of brazilians share the same ancestors and cluster closely to one another because of the founder effectI can easily tell when someone is brazilian regardless of skin color, you're just an assblasted exception because you know you don't fit in
>>215368507based finally Im not DEBUNKING the snowflakes alone in this sitemore people need to teach larping flakies their place. The've been too dominant on the internet for far too long
>>215368559they will never be Brazilianit takes one to know one, and they ain't one
>>215368812I think they can be Brazilian like adopted stepbrothers in the family. Some people think this is cucked but if they reproduce with vanilla Brazilians I consider them my true patriotic brothers. I have some mixed friends of immigrant ancestry who still speak heritage language but their allegiance is with this country, they hated living in shitaly or jap*n and want to serve our nation. Their future kids will look just like us
ANOTHER BORING ASS THREAD ABOUT BRAZIL WHERE PRETTY MUCH ALL POSTERS ARE BRAZILIANS
>>215369023A post about Brazil would have a lot of Brazilians.
>>215368950I don't care about patriotism tbqh, there is a pool of "legacy phenotypes" in Brazil that we subconsciously acknowledge as kin and it has nothing to do with color, that's what I mean by the founder effectit is not an ethnostate but it does feels like it, some people look like they're obviously not from here regardless of skin color because they don't have the same "legacy chassis" that most brazilians have
>>215368507>>215368559>>215368812>>215368950>>215369638you just look like this desubefore you say anytjing im not a white sulista or whatever, im brown and dont have a problem with it. but its not true that everybody looks the same here, like the other poster said
>>215369638but for example, my friends' grandkids will be essentially the same as us genetically with neglectable trace amounts of immigrant ancestry. One-drop rule autism would be our downfall as a mixed race society, so we should strive to integrate the diasporas>>215369922>you must be from the other minority and look like this!beaten argument not even engaging
>>215369922it's okay to be a subhuman rejected by your own womensuch is the life of the eternal sissyfugee that fled the war instead of manning up and fighting
>>215370115nta but you're just proving to be a pardo with inferiority complex nowalso it's funny when the nazipardos on 4chan say that "you'll never brazilian" to colonos as if that were a bad thing kekand it's double funny because they're usually anti-US but love to import their racial culture wars here
>>215365842
>>215370915What's this?
>>215365842>prefer the company of people from their countrySo do all countries
>>215372395You know what I mean.
>>215372509I don't really. How are we different from other countries?
>>215365842Everyone else is too autistic.
>>215372667Brazilians aren't autistic then?
>>215367176my family always believed race mixing should be avoided though. no blacks in my family
>>215372945>no blacks in my familyDid you confirm that with a DNA test?
>>215366567the us was fully planned by the freemasons prior to the colonization. its a masonic atlantis, everything is going according to plan
>>215373038Sounds schizo.
>>215372945unless your family is 100% of immigrant origin you will have some brown in your DNA and you won't even know it. This is because the fair skinned locals your racist ancestors married had some amerindian and african in their family tree after centuries living here. I'm not even talking about "racists" who married light browns but just had the ick for dark skin, what could be the case of your family because you felt like mentioning blacks in specific, what is kinda sus
>>215365842for context
>>215374686this is more reliable than self identification of skin color
>>215366192this map is retarded and you know it
>>215374890I can definitely believe this one because>most euro: SC>most afro: BHHowever I heard RS actually has some afro hotspots so I kinda didn't expect it to be in last placeAbout indigenous, I also expected Amazonas, but I'm more ignorant on that area, it could also be, Roraima, Pará, or Amapá to be honest (most northwestern states other than Amazonas and Acre)
>>215374906>dude brazil has a diverse culture>our states are like different countries>we have slightly different accents of the same language>we have slightly different preparations of steak, rice, and beans>we have slightly different ways of singing about longing and heartache for 500 years>we have slightly different ways of playing guitar, accordion, and percussion instruments>we have slightly different ways of celebrating catholic holidays as an excuse to have sex
>>215365842for the longest time i abhorred speaking portuguese on the internet and was too absorbed in foreign communitiesnowadays i want to insert myself into the brazilian ones but i'm not too sure where to start, loli'm not too picky about who keeps me company, so long as they're niceobviously i have a bias for girls but that's just about anyone in this shithole of a site
>>215375008RS did had a higher amount of African Slaves compared to most other states, so I also wouldn't guess them to have the least African admixture, but who knows.
>>215367386>>215367544Thank you for mentioning Pernambuco
>>215374686Lmao, complete bullshit
>>215365842> trillions of different shades of black > not an ethno state
>>215377790which shade of black is this
>>215366192This.It's also the reason why i think it's funny when Americans say "we're becoming Brazil", like, nope, you're becoming fucking South Africa.Racial relations in Brazil are toddler-tier compared to their shit there.
>>215376613>RS did had a higher amount of African Slaves compared to most other statesYou have to consider that not all of these slaves were considered black. Using data of that same census, I got thisFor provinces with over 10% of the population enslaved, percentage of slaves officially not considered black:>Mato Grosso.......................43.0%>Sergipe................................41.7%>Bahia...................................38.9%Rio Grande do Sul................33.3% (1 every 3 slaves wasn't black)>Santa Catarina....................32.4%>Maranhão............................31.1%>Espírito Santo.....................30.2%>Alagoas...............................29.6%>São Paulo...........................28.8%>Pernambuco........................28.7%>Minas Gerais.......................28.5% >Rio de Janeiro (province)....27.2%>RJ, city (municipio neutro): 22.6%All of the country, percentage of slaves officially not considered black:>Ceará...................................57.1%>Rio Grande do Norte...........48.8%>Paraíba................................44.9%>Mato Grosso........................43.0%>Pará.....................................42.1%>Sergipe................................41.7%>Piauí....................................41.3%>Bahia...................................38.9%>Paraná.................................38.9%>Goiás...................................38.5%>Amazonas...........................37.9%Rio Grande do Sul................33.3%>Santa Catarina....................32.4%>Maranhão............................31.1%>Espírito Santo.....................30.2%>Alagoas..............................29.6%>São Paulo...........................28.8%>Pernambuco.......................28.7%>Minas Gerais......................28.5% >Rio de Janeiro (province)...27.2%>RJ, city (municipio neutro): 22.6%
>>215378438Rio Grande do Sul had quite a high number of non-black slaves, specially if you discard provinces where slavery wasn't that much important (<10% of enslaved population). I say non black instead of pardo because there are documented instances of white slaves but they don't appear in the official census, so they probably were using the word "pardo" as a catch-all term for everyone not deemed black at the time.After making these calculations I was pretty impressed with how the majority of slaves in Ceará weren't even black. And if I recall correctly they were the first province to outlaw slavery, so maybe this situation played into the sympathy of people. Slaves were 4.42% of the population there to be exact, so not exactly ignorable. 2 every 50 people were slaves and most of them may have looked too much like the relatives of free citizens.
>>215378438>>215378622So even though Bahia had a similar high proportion of non-black slaves as RS, we have no idea how many of the "pardo" gaúcho slaves were caboclos, cafuzos, whites, mulattoes, quadroons etc. Considering that Bahia had black slavery going on for several centuries, while RS was a more recently settled province, then MAYBE the non black slaves in Bahia were more African.We also have to take in consideration the impact of European immigration in RS compared to Bahia.So, POSSIBLY less African non-black slaves and immigrants could explain why the genepool in RS isn't as African as we would expect, according to that source. What happened to the decidedly black 66.7% of all slaves? Maybe they were outnumbered by immigrants, maybe they moved out of the province, maybe they were given the Argentine treatment. I don't know
O vício em discussão de raça é uma doença mental
>>215378853Do you have a solution for that?
>>215365842>When Brazilians and Americans Meet, Assumptions Can Clash>A Black American assumes a shared Afro-diasporic bond with Afro-Brazilians but is met with confusion or even distance.>Americans trying to engage in Portuguese might unknowingly use classed or regional speech patterns without realizing the social signals they’re sending.>Brazilians and Americans can absolutely feel off-put or confused when trying to engage across racial and cultural lines, especially when they assume that terms like race, blackness, or code-switching mean the same thing. They often don't.
