top 10 ways you're hurting your progress>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldPrevious: >>215288543
Roll call Time to post your Duo streaks and language scores to show you're not a monolingual chomo or a fraud and you're doing the work
soulful handcrafted ALG meme vs ai generated duoshitoff to a great start
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>>215398797>top 10 ways you're hurting your progressAll ten points stem from taking anyone in these threads seriously.
Should I learn Vietnamese?
>>215402848yes
>>215402949Say less, I am now learning Vietnamese
>>215399037lost my streakback to 1also i read that learning mutiple foreign languages at once might have some effect, so i dabble in latin from time to time
I am ambitious for language learning
>>215399037Is this Duolingo game any good for MSA?
>>215403003Good. I'll keep an eye on you
mnemonics make me cringe. I feel like I can do without them. am I correct?
日本語 is too hard. I'm not gonna make it.
>>215404843I'll let you get away with it this time
>>215403255Focusing on one language and having the other foreign languages you learnt before in low maintenance mode is the ideal approach I believe. But perfect is the enemy of good. Because for so many people it's hard to switch between tasks, allocate time efficiently ,it's likely than sneaking in a short session in another TL is the most sensible thing in the long run. Just don't do it, when you haven't yet found a good pace learning the primary TL>>215404843Mnemonics for what? For words, numbers, for grammatical gender, for case endings, for kanji? Most of the time you should focus on logic of the thing itself, on the existing context instead of imaginary. Because 99 times out of 100, people have crafted, perfected the context much better than you can. Focus on etymology, sounds changes, components, roots, og forms and so on.
>>215405164What's so hard? Maybe someone will help you here or in the japanese thread?
>>215404843>mnemonicsThey work for some applications. Others it seems rather pointless. I feel like once you fall into a mnemonic you are kinda stuck with it.Like I only know the order of North, East, South and West clockwise because Never Eat Shredded Wheat. Something I still recite as a grown ass man pushing 30.
>>215405164Don't give up anon. Its a long and greuelling process, but if you give up now you will probably regret it in the future.You clearly started Japanese for a reason. You will not be fufilled until you finish it - else you will likely fall into the dabbler trap of bouncing between langs and then returning to Japanese, only to return to dabbling again.
Look at this sentence :क्या तुम इस समय अपने शहर में हो।Notice the oblique, proximal demonstraive pronoun? "इस" ipa pronounciation : /Js/.That is because at near the end of the sentence, before auxiliary verb, there is a postpostion, turning it oblque to stanlish grammar oblique agreement.By way the "तुम्हारे"(oblique) used instead of the reflexive (अपने) would also be grammarly correct.
>>215405164諦めるな
>>215405164should I learn it to watch anime without subs? I'm missing everything going on screen to read the fuckin sub. No I won't switch to dub
>>21539903785 days and level 41 in frenchthe vast majority of my learning is just listening to french when driving and walking, but I do find doing duo 10 mins helps
I want to try writing poetry in my TL but I can't write or speak my TL
>>215408118Vestan sák fljúga vánardreka...time to learn then
the first Persian CI videos have appeared on youtubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA_IZGVdzn0
just learned the retarded spelling in English is not even natural, some Greek/Latin weebs made it up>From the 16th century onward, English writers who were scholars of Greek and Latin literature tried to link English words to their Graeco-Latin counterparts. They did this by adding silent letters to make the real or imagined links more obvious. Thus det became debt (to link it to Latin debitum), dout became doubt (to link it to Latin dubitare), sissors became scissors and sithe became scythe (as they were wrongly thought to come from Latin scindere), iland became island (as it was wrongly thought to come from Latin insula), ake became ache (as it was wrongly thought to come from Greek akhos), and so forth.
>>215410718that's a select few examplesthere are plenty of perfectly native retarded spellings, like for example 'ice', about which they had trouble making up their minds already in the Middle English period: is, ise, yes, yce, yys, ys, ijs, yse, ysz, hyse, hyys, ice, isse, ysse, yis
>>215404671i think it's among the worst courses they have. not sure personally, but from what i've heard, MSA is best learnt traditionally first, at least to some degree. also considering there are concepts in semitic languages that don't really exist in many others, especially regarding word roots and vowel patterns. duolingo sucks for anything serious that goes beyond "bro i can order an apple in spanish if the waiter is really patient with me"
i can't hear the stød
>>215412994listen closer
>>215405312>>215405627but I noticed that I associate the things I do and learn with whatever I'm doing at the time or locations where I'm atso it's not actually useful clues but just association
din jævla homse hahah ta progressivt på tissen min hahaha
page nine, have italian kino (martial industrial cover of il trionfo di bacco e arianna) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWdpg7kMUjo
fun song! saving to favorites
>>215410718death to all larpers
>>215410718Victorian we wuzzing created the UK as it is today
>>215412994the only trick you need is that the tip of the tongue goes to the lower front teeth
>>215415918this show made me so horny, i wish i was between cleo's lions
Should I use American or British English?
>>215417040no
>>215417040Canadian
>>215417158Idk there was a French Swiss anon who was claiming that English is a much better language than French.
>wake up in the middle of the night>have a breakfast of monster energy and canned peaches >decide to stop dabbling >study Mandarin phonetics passively while playing video games>finish a unit, go to flashcards, get reviews to zero >start up new unit Maybe it's just the sugar high talking but I am totally in the zone I wish I could do this rhythm forever undisturbed
>>215417194It's just American bruh.
>>215417313Uncultured
>>215417471Sir the only important culture in the world is the Bharatian culture, don't forget ur roots kindly.
>>215417040What's a difference?
>>215419046The Britishers don't pronounce their Rs. Also they pronounce map as mop and mop as mawp.
>>215419138But from a practical point of view, what difference does it make to you which one you aim for?
>>215419224Practically zero difference whatsoever to be honest. Maybe American is more neutral and British is more attention-whoring.
>>215419289So what's problem. Just use the language, watch what you like, speak with people you like and adopt an accent based on your experience. Or learn some funny one like Scottish, Indian or French
>>215417307They say that you're freshest after waking up and those should be your best hours, but I find that if I study first thing after waking up it doesn't go particularly smoothly.
Does the Scottish accent sound kinda similar to German, or am I trippin'?
>>215419289Recommending shadowing Bill Clinton's speeches (idc about the politics just get the rhythm) to get the feel of American Englishhttps://youtu.be/8EXNrdzwB4M?si=u6XLJDcfvbnB1sWeFor British English idk but personal favorite is recordings of CS Lewishttps://youtu.be/3MgsoWenaro?si=PL_uY3z7arov-36bBut I'm no expert on that >>215419727早上早上早上好早上好我的电脑敬个礼shitpost on /int/你们都是好朋友
>>215419713I already know English and I don't really need it.>>215419910There's not a single German accent. Any foreign accent is a spectrum, especially in a polycentric language like German.
>>215419910Sounds more like Dutch to me
>>215419950Yes but I have to choose between the two first.
>>215420053Just pick what sounds the most pleasant to your ear.
>>215420222Idk it depends on the mood.
>>215420241What mood are you more often in desuka?
>>215417307>>study [...] passively while playing video games>>flashcardsYou didn't actually do any work.
>>215420354I guess I'm more often in the British mood, but not like by a large margin. I need a more decisive reason.
Like dude I really need a like VERY MASSIVE important reason to choose either. Like unironically. Do you get me? Please?
>>215420492>>215420561All evidence so far points to you choosing to shadow British English for the time being Empirically speaking, of course >>215420392Nuh uh I finished unit 2 of my phonetics course and when I reviewed the material in the flashcards I instantly recalled everything. So I will be seeing those cards again in six days Onto unit 3 (￢︿̫̿￢)
>>215420593>All evidenceSuch as? I mean indeed I feel very EUROPEAN here in Siberia and America is a redneck shithole but on the other hand Britain is the ultimate globohomo and London (where the accent comes from) is the same faggot globohomo hotspot as Moscow but ten times worse so idk.
>>215420661You said that you feel in the mood for British English more often
>>215402848Bro yes. I've been learning tiếng Việt recently and getting more and more hooked. Especially if you're the same UK anon who can speak Chinese because you'll appreciate the similarities. Lots of SinoViet vocab.>>215420492Even though I speak and write what's more like British English as a Commonwealth cuck, I suggest Amerifat dialect. Britain is a stupid country and sooner it's cultural "prestige" dies off the better. I don't like America either but more the case that American English is objectively the global lingua franca so it makes more sense to focus on it
>>215420882>Britain is a stupid countryBut doesn't its prestige also spread to the country of Europe? Isn't their English basically the European English? >is objectively the global lingua francaHow so? All international organisations use British. >>215420778Not much often really.
>>215421576>t. chav (not helpful)
>>215421554>Isn't their English basically the European English?No one here speaks British English, except for obnoxious roastie high school English teachers. I expect it's the same in other countries in Evrope.
>>215419910>>215419958>>215420023So Im trippin'. Idk, maybe it's their R sound>>215419958Y'all best be learnin’ that Southern talk now, mister. Bless your heart
>>215421701It's actually totally the same here but maybe it's a Central European thing only. >>215421724I was told I sound Southern when try General American.
>>215421783good
>>215422317Okay, so American then.Anybody to object maybe???
>>215398797in my experience I'm mute in every language, I forget words mid sentence
Lord have mercy the proper retroflex tongue position of 是 is killing me. I also can barely say 去 properly.6 more units of phonetics to go
>>215419910sometimes saying a German word reminds me of Scottish for some reason, like "bekommen"
old french:>most masculine nouns end in consonants, most feminine nouns end in vowelsmodern french:>most masculine nouns end in vowels, most feminine nouns end in consonants
I regret learning Spanish
apparently I'm gonna go on a trip to Portugal for work soonQuite a pleasant surprise considering I'm day 10 of Portuguese Assimil :)
>>215424651Say that to my face
>>215424651Keep your eye on the prize, amigo.
>>215419910i'm from east germany and feel that it sounds eerily similar to east middle german dialects like thuringian and saxon. both the r-sound and the vowels. i noticed this before but felt like a schizo mentioning it to people. now i feel validated
>>215424881>muh mestizo women This joke is getting tiresome
>>215424888yeah, I mentioned about the R here: >>215421724>>215423239Yep. Perhaps it's Norwegian and Scandinavian influences too? Irish doesn't sound quite as Germanic, though it also has a lilt* similar to Scandinavian languages. Or maybe it's just a coincidence, like Portuguese's similarity to Slavic languages, or the Podlasie accent being similar to Italian. *I mean, it's very singing-like, not sure about the word lilt>>215424932Also med women. What's wrong with them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRpg-s8G8pk&t=192sanki btfo by the chinese
>>215425607qrd? i don't want to watch this video
>>215412589Thanks. You saved me so much time.
>>215399037
>>215417040Egyptian English
>>215425607engagement bait thumbnail that puts anki at the bottom when her actual final tier list is like this
>put on comprehensible input>don't comprehend anything
>>215429113flashcards ftwpiece of paper beats some methods out of virtue of being of too simple to mess up
>>215429113still garbage wow. glad i didn't watch it.
>>215429508maybe someday i will look up who that is
>>215425267>What's wrong with them?They hit torta, pumpkin on legs status by the age of 22-24.
>>215429347post link
have the urge to dabble in Hungarian
>>215429950idk. Spanish and Italian women stay slim for a long time
>>215431574>Spanish and Italian women stay slimI know multiple 25 year old Spanish and Italian chicks. They are pretty fat.
>>215431574I was talking about Latinx women. As for Spanish and Italian women, I don't know, and I don't care. They're as bitchy and entitled as other European women, but they're brown.
Genuinely don't understand why people learn Spanish. Not even those coomers who simp for Native Americans.
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>>215398797Hello niggers, what approach do you use to train listening comprehension?I am a classical literature giga autist so I've neglected it until fairly recently.Even if know a lot of words I oftentimes am unable to comprehend them when spoken.I've started doing intensive listening of the "easy languages" series for one hour a day like this1) listen twice to the person talking without looking at the subtitles2) listen while reading he subtitles3) repeat out loud each of the sentences after they've said themDo you think I should make any changes?
I'm struggling with pre beginner CI of German >>215431855Most women usually gain weight after the age of 25, Spanish and Italian women are not exceptional, and I would even say that they gain weight less often >>215431986For Franco and Falangists I guess
>>215431986It's the most useful to learn to an American/most dialects sound pretty
1. Most useful foreign language on up to 2 continents.2. Huge diaspora population all across the planet.3. Local language of amazing tourist locations4. Second most-spoken language on the planet with a very young population of native speakers which is reflected in the vibrant global Spanish-language youth culture in music and online.
>>215432727>>215431986
>>215431430Szia! Miért? Magyar állampolgár vagyok, ezért tanulok.
Any German can confirm if these sentences are correct?"Torsten Jensens Lieblingslokal ist eine Kneipe am Hafen.Dort isst er gern würstchen mit Kartoffelsalat. Am Morgen isst er manchmal nichts, zu Mittag isst er manchmal eine Speisen.Also, could that last "Speisen" be swapped out to "Suppe" and it would still be correct, or?
>>215432944>würstchenWürstchen>Am Morgen isst er manchmal nichts, zu Mittag isst er manchmal eine Speisen.Am Morgen isst er manchmal nichts. Zu Mittag isst er manchmal eine Speise.Speise_ sounds a bit formal. Suppe would be better.
>>215433039I'm doing these 'put the correct word in this sentence' and I only have that one and another one left, the other one would be"Johann Bauers Lieblingslokal ist ein Kaffeehaus. Er trifft dort seine Freunde und spielt Schach. Zu Mittag bekommt man dort auch kleine...."And there either Suppe or Speisen.
>>215405164It just takes like half a decade of steady practice every day to get passable bro, it's not that hard.
>>215431986Half of south america, central america, + 1/3 of the US youth speak spanish.
Fuck you guys duolingo works. What are language teachers supposed to say? "Yes this cheap, basically free app, has replaced my entire career. I guess I should try to get into plumbing or something now. Okay, well, you can unsubscribe and turn off the bell notification for my youtube channel now. I'm gonna go for a walk... I got a lot to think about and plan. I've been pretty depressed lately with all the changes happening so fast. You think you got your life figured out, and then bam!"
>>215432138So the lame offshoot of Falange.>>215432640Pretty sure you'd get by fine with just English, right?>>215432727>>2154327621. Nothing wrong utilitarian motives, just not for me.2. That huge diaspora is mainly people from LatAm countries moving to the US and Spain.3. beach resort tourism, mexico - cheap cerveza tourism, spain4. Utilitarian motive, "vibrant global youth culture" sounds very much like simping for Native Americans.I don't doubt for a second that I am biased, but at the same time I'm pretty sure anyone who has learnt this language for "latina mamasitas sexo" ends up feeling quite disappointed.>>215433217A bunch of shitholes that most people avoid. People learn English yet they don't visit Nigeria. Or India.>1/3 of the US youth speak spanishKitchen Spanish at best, most of them think calling their grandma "abuelita" qualifies as speaking Spanish.
That came way more negative than I thought it was. I don't want to discourage anyone, I just wouldn't bother learning Spanish unless I was really into Spanish literature.
I wanna learn Spanish and French and Russian and Arabic and Chinese so I'm a true citizen of the world
My Mandarin, Japanese and Vietnamese studies are going well :3
>>215433588how often do you get kanji and hanzi confused?I know my anki had problems portraying kanji letters sometimes because it mixed some chinese versions in
>>215433640>how often do you get kanji and hanzi confusedVery rarely.
>>215432137that sounds like a good way to do it. maybe just another step at the end, re-listen to the video without looking at subtitles to confirm you understand everything
>>215433588任愈重,败愈近
Hej
>>215433790去你的
I don't care what you faggots say, I will duolingomaxx and then learn by playing video game in my chosen language
>>215434530Do whatever makes you consistent. Some people in language learning communities will go on and on about efficiency, but if you are not having fun learning the language you will probably burn out at some point. You got this German anon :) !!!
>>215433285 >>215434530the only useful apps/websites/tools are>readers or other tools that help with deciphering input>apps where you speak to a real person>anki or other flashcard appsall other language learning apps are a waste of timevideogames are great though. I wish there was some low-friction word lookup tool that worked with videogames
>>215434530>>215434793check out the new chess lessons and also i can kinda play piano now
>>215434898>check out the new chess lessons and also i can kinda play piano nowUnless it is teaching you how to do those things in your TL, you are ngmi...
Duolingo free tier is unusable now with that energy update
>>215435271Real. Unless you are a legend like me who never makes mistakes (I don't use it because it feels too slow)
>>215431986i like it
>einigehehe
>>215433285It does work in the sense that it works better than doing nothing
>>215434793>I wish there was some low-friction word lookup tool that worked with videogamesMe tooDual subtitles are alright if you can find them, but they either make it too easy or too hard
>>215434793>I wish there was some low-friction word lookup tool that worked with videogameshttps://github.com/matt-m-o/YomiNinjaI found this using search terms. Seems to be what you were looking for?
>>215434898how much are they paying you to post this
>>215436798You lose energy even when you get a right answer, just a bit less I think. Free users can do around 2-3 lessons/day now
>>215438003I thought they still had those gay ass hearts. The fuck are they smoking at Duolingo HQ? 3 lessons is not even a whole point on the path no? Lmao
>>215438615They want to force people to pay for Super/Max
>>215438615desktop version has the hearts instead of energystill shit though
>>215428865Not a native variety.>>215431986This. An absolutely ugly and useless language. Zero appeal whatsoever.
>>2154327271. You won't talk to these "people", all worthy brownoids speak English anyway.2. South America is a way worse resort than Southeast Asia.
Also Spanish has NO good music. Not at all. Not a single fucking nice track.
>>215440994you don't like Bad Bunny?
>>215440994wrong.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzvCLpGB10M&list=RDfzvCLpGB10M&start_radio=1
>>215441544No.>>215441566Not even gonna watch, it's either 1) favela rap or 2) gypsy guitar moaning (or the most boring pop ever, I always forget such epic Spanish gems).
>>215440994La cucaracha, la cucaracha
>>215441625Do you like Blackpink?
>>215433333>Pretty sure you'd get by fine with just English, right?nolatinx cant speak english at all even if their lives depended on it, and enjoying the southern sun is good from time to time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CogOs2jMnGIugh... what could've been...
>>215438615>>215435271The app has been going to shit in the past few years. Started when they babyfied the art style, added the retarded cartoon voices, deleted forums, and removed stories because of complaints from parents.
>>215440994flamenco is based, but you don't need to understand spanish to listen to guitar playing
>>215442257>guitar playingHoly fucking shit, do they really..?
>>215440994https://youtu.be/bKcv-D2YwP0?si=_vPXpwvFwWx0qmM2
>>215443348See >>215441625
Getting better at the retroflex tongue position Finding it a lot easier to say “出去” after I fixed the problem of saying the ch- initial with the tongue position for d- and t- instead of curling back against the roof of my mouth. With this, they're clearly separated sounds
>>215432857>Miért?idk, I just want to learn an agglutinative language. They seem fun.
>>215441544I thought bad bunny was a sex toys shop btw.
>>215444304Learn Japanese
>>215444060What app?
>>215444060What app is this?
>>215424651Why? It's a neat language with a lot of speakers.
>>215444060Why do they call it retroflex when the tongue doesn't curl back
>>215441625If you want interesting Spanish music, listen to Re by Cafe Tacuba. Pretty great album, blends a lot of genres with a tasteful hint of punk energy. Even if you don't like the music, you might appreciate the musicianship because they can really play and in a lot of different styles.
I am learning Romanian because I like it and no other reason.
>>215433285Rosetta Stone is just a better Duolingo imo, but the content more relevant, the UI is better, it's more immersive. But it doesn't handhold you so much, so the dopamine hit is less and you will need to open one of Routledge Essential Grammar books or equivalent sometimes.
>>215398797>What language(s) are you learning? Lebanese Arabic, Greek and Hebrew. Already have B1 German and Russian (though very rusty).>Language learning experience Arab women go insane when you can say some stuff with a fairly good accent and are European.
>>215445605Funny sentence I learned recently: >3am te2 7anak
>>215445605>>215445624Anecdotal: after doing Russian, semitic grammar is just so fucking easy and regular. A few more rules but the system is very straightforward: consonant roots + filling in according to templates = most of the grammar. The only annoying parts are that diff dialects use diff words for the same thing, e.g kwayyis/mnih/mzayan/jayyid (fus7a)/etc. that said, they actually have a relatively low number of roots (~6k on average) so the lexicon is still very tacklable. But I am getting filtered by the 2 sound.
Spanish music is great. Pop & rock & flamenco. The whole Esenciales playlist by Spotify is great. I also Bossa Nova covers in Spanish. Many great Italian singers sing in Spanish very well as well.
Spanish is the language of love in the 21st century Europe just like French and Italian were before and to some extent still are. It's the most popular foreign language after English, eclipsing even German. English is the lingua franca. German is learnt for economic (utilitarian) reasons. But Spanish is learnt as hobby throughout all Europe out of passion. It's considered sexy. Spain is where you go on vacation or your honeymoon even.
Mouth is sore from zh- shi- chi- initials z- and c- is ridiculously easy in comparison>>215444388>>215444449traverse.link>>215444831Idk I dropped the class and changed my major after the first day of linguistics class
Are latinos the worst when it comes to learning the language of the country they emigrated to?I know some who have been there 10 or even 20 years and most can't communicate and even those who can somewhat speak it, their accent are garbage and they can't write a simple sentence without making a mistake in every word. And I'm in the french speaking part of Switzerland.My coworker has been fully integrated here for 15, local wife, a job etc but can't say "u" or "r" or "j" correctly.
>>215447809Do you think English is better than French?
Is Brazilian Portuguese heavily influenced from Spanish? It feels way more understandable as a Spanish speaking than Portugal Portuguese.
>>215447809okay if you mean the french pronunciations of those letters then this should not surprise you at all…
>>215447970No, in general Brazilian Portuguese is basically Portuguese from the 19th century that was slightly influenced by the natives and africans, and over time developed its own accent, similar to the distinction between British and American English. The reason why it might be more understandable is because it has more "open vowels" while European Portuguese has more closed vowel sounds
>>215447970My Brazilian friend tells me that Spanish sounds like Portuguese with a retard lisp
Refold German deck is kind of bad. Shit tons of words like yet, really, too, now, same. They are important, but even with example sentences I won't remember them if I don't know the nouns and verbs in these sentences. So these sentences for me are like: You xxx xxx xxx yet xxx now. The same was with Italian and Spanish if I remember correctly but there are still some more words from Romance languages in Polish, English etc. and the words in the example sentences overlapped more often, especially in Spanish
>>215449694Refold decks in general are appalling quality>Shit tons of words like yet, really, too, now, sameDecent decks like the routledge frequency ones have tags for the type of word. I always disable conjunctions, pronouns, preposoitions, etc., when starting out so I can focus on nouns and verbs which are easier to learn out of context
>>215405164頑張れ!やってしまえ!諦めるな!>>215440994My college Spanish teacher showed us this song and I enjoyed it, though the subject is generic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RREMRZ8MJMI&list=RDRREMRZ8MJMI&start_radio=1And these two are the best I found on my own before I stopped Spanish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-VE9OyAJk&list=RDWT-VE9OyAJk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwJPbeAOdA&list=RDtiwJPbeAOdA&start_radio=1
imagining this autist chanting ZHI CHI SHI to himself in his smelly bedroom until his mouth hurts puts a smile on my face
>>215450378The mandarin one is okay. I think other ones are better though.
>>215449079it's interesting how all new world versions/accents of European languages (i.e. American English, Quebecois French, Brazilian Portuguese) evolved less than their old world counterparts and have kept "older" and more "traditional" features.... APART from Spanish
>>215449694>>215450378I compared it with Spanish, and it's true. There are things like "right," "law," "to carry," but also "kitchen," "new," and "school." In German, the first 40 words don't even contain the "do," I think, and I know that word from other places. There is "want" at least
I found this for Germanhttps://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1848185140There is also another deck, but I don't know how to easily add audio there
>>215448467After 20 years here surrounded by natives and their own kids speaking french you think it's normal they can't pronounce a proper ü?Even chinese people are usually decent after a decade and they start from 0, italians and spaniards are close to native level after 3 years.It's only the latinos.
>>215450378I prefer to just study all the meanings of function words at the beginning and use very basic vocabulary for the example sentencesAI can help with generating that
>>215444939probably too tropical for himchilean-argentinian bands are more rock, also old bands from venezuela and peru, where Indochine popularity had some influence
>>215452017>AI slop this>AI slop thatGrim.
Mandarin reviews done. What a beautiful language.
>>215447809Don't think so, knew several in Germany when I did uni that spoke great German, same when i lived in France.
>>215455208>What a beautiful languageToo bad about the people.
>>215398797Started learning Spanish using Michel Thomas' recordings and I'd say it's really good, but I have no clue how to proceed from that point. I mean, I can't really talk to myself in foreign language or binge-watch Almodovar's movies (again).
>>215455208>What a beautiful language.Really?
>>215455208Oldie but goodie.
>>215456393Also worth reading: Flying Upside Down (China) by Duke Nukem
>>215456393These posts are one of the main reasons why I was dabbling
>>215455307>>215456393This might have worked on me before I was proficient enough to regularly interact with Chinese people (I work a corporate job at a Chinese multinational company here in the UK).From my previous roles at American multinationals here, I much prefer working with Chinese people than Americans and Indians. I do think that really old Chinese people (people born before the 70s) can be a bit selfish and have bad manners though - as I have seen it first hand when I went to China.
Another day another Chinese lessonBillions must learn the tongue of the Middle Kingdom.I need to learn ASAP before my neuroplasticity is gone and I won't be able to learn tones
>>215458624Based neuroplasticity user
>>215457736Damn it. Racism lost again.
>>215458699Your Chinese racism failed to realise that I am surrounded by Indians, Pakistanis and Africans.The Chinese people in the UK are some of the best immigrants we have.
>>215458980>I am surrounded by Indians, Pakistanis and AfricansI wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
>>215459111Imagine working in tech with them
>>215458980>The Chinese people in the UK are some of the best immigrants we have.>the best immigrants we have are also the least integratedNot that I disagree but it's sort of funny.
>>215459198Confucius taught them well
>>215458624I know it's not really the point of your post, but the way people view neuroplasticity is kind of a meme - as long as you continue to live an active intellectual life where you expose yourself to new information, you'll be able to continue learning effectively for a very long time. Of course there are critical periods in childhood and adolescence where you really absorb information like a sponge, but people act like after 25-30 your brain is set in stone when that's really not the case, you can retain quite strong learning abilities well into adulthood and even fairly old age.It's another manifestation of a wider phenomenon where people are neurotically terrified of aging and think their lives are over after young adulthood, which I think is a stupid, depressing, and moreover simply false way to view things.
even men sound so feminine in french, when i hear that natives talk i wanna fuck em
>>215459477Based
>>215459273General cognitive decline with age is real but not that important in my opinion for language learning. The thing I'm most worried about is age related hearing loss.
>>215459111>>215459160
How do you cope?
There's this Chinese girl I know who knows that I am studying Japanese and is dabbling a bit in it herself (duolingo style, so not getting anywhere obviously). She thinks my ability to learn Japanese is so impressive that she now wants me to learn Mandarin, showering me in compliments when I manage to repeat basic sentences after her and supposedly get the tones right.Am I being groomed into committing the ultimate sin of learning Mandarin? I'm almost a little bit interested, even if solely to have a greater chance at going to diplomat school later on in my life. (Though, learning something like Spanish would be 100x easier, faster and also doable alone rather than needing a tutor holding my hand.)
>>215459853Is this how Chinese spies convert other nationalities? With cute Chinese girls?
what's the best Anki deck for French?
>>215459907usually they just use them for honeypotting (get them to fuck the woman, then threaten to release evidence and create a scandal unless they do what you say)
>>215459907I would confess all my companies secrets to a chinese baddie lowkey bros...
i cannot subscribe to dreaming spanish because i don't have a credit card, what absolute silliness
>>215399037567 in German. I'm thinking about taking a class, just for some more conversation experience and maybe to clear up some grammar concepts that Duolingo isn't really teaching.
>>215459725Japanese doesn't use 10k kanji
>>215444939i was sceptical at first because the first 2 songs were a bit boring but then it got experimental in the right way good find
>>215460646There are a bunch of discords where you can practice German conversation with pajeets.
>>215460969I have zero interest in interacting with pajeets.
>>215460605You'd think with Pablo being tech literate that they'd have more payment options, even like bitcoin and shit
>>215460279Have you tried the Refold one? https://rentry.org/refold
>>215461354yeah it's quite bizarre to me. they even address this in their FAQ, where the reason given is that it would be too complicated to offer PayPal at the moment because then they would have to "deal with two separate subscription methods" ridiculous statement honestly lmao
>>215460605I paid with a debit card just fine
>>215455208This man is preparing for the Chinese Century and basically you're fucking stupid
Does German have any good songs? I can easily find nice songs in Russian, Japanese, French, and Italian, but I struggle with German.
>>215462103Most of Rammstein songs.
>>215461807how though? i can only enter credit card information, and when i click on Bank and search for mine, it doesn't show up. seems to only know of american banks. ;/ does this differ from country to country? what did the payment page look like for you?
>>215462238Ugh. It's not bad, but I found it boring and there's not much lyrics there.
rammstein is bad and for weird sexpests. if you want to be weird at least go the extra mile and listen to eisregen instead
>>215462380>rammstein is badcope
>>215462269When I click on Premium it brings me to a Stripe page, there I can enter a debit card.
>>215462395i get it, it's made for yanks and the like and that's why foreigners like it, but it's honestly mid at best. it makes me physically cringe
>>215462398hmm i might try this with an italian vpn then and see if that gives me access to that page
>>215462433All that industrial shit sounds the same. Its better than the rest of your music though. German rap especially is shit.
>>215462481rammstein is the musical equivalent of this picture
>>215462515Yes, which is all you have to offer the world. That is how we all view you.
>>215462515You sure?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A8bV_IEgyI
>>215459725You learn Japanese for 2D, not pig disgusting 3D
>>215462558and i am more than fine with the fact that everything about our culture and language filters the english speaking world
>>215461469What about Russian or Arabic or Turkish or Mandarin? refold doesn't have those sadly
Rammstein isn't that bad. It's just all the same shit over and over. Like ACDC. Nena, Grauzone, Falco... and that's it. It's hard to find some good modern song, but even old ones are not so great. Lots of techno and "porn-pop" like Ikkimel or some Turkish like euro rap. Where's German citypop, midwest emo rock, classic folk rock, ballads
>>215462810i once wanted to compile a list but i cannot be arsed honestly
>>215462858Classic German laziness which is on the rise
>>215459725>3D女子のため日本語勉強してるwww
>>215462398>>215462433it didn't work. this is mildly infuriating. i hate google and don't want to pay them, but i would if they uploaded all their videos behind a paywall on youtube, but they don't do that. they have a patreon, right? is there anything worthwhile on there?
>>215462977So it doesn't bring you to a stripe page?
>>215463161PS even their FAQ says you can use a debit card:>All the payment options that are available in your region will appear when you click on “Upgrade” in the premium page. Right now using PayPal is not a possibility, since we would have to maintain two completely separate subscription systems.>If you are in Europe and don’t have a debit card, we recommend signing up to a neobank app like N26 or Revolut to get one.>In the future, we’ll consider adding PayPal or other payment methods to make it easier for people in countries where payment card usage is not widespread.
>>215463161something similar but not quite. but i see you have maestro, which i understand is a kind of debit card, but not like the ones germans usually have
>>215463242It's called mastercard debit now, they rebranded.
>>215462103Obviously music taste is quite subjective, but here are some songs that I like.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u73cnzbAfK4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niYep7eSClAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okLZ7c4XX9ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a745DE4Mk0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC872j2-PDwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5kmM98iklohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmIJUaonHJwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x0q1Gdiph0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg3zES_PP0Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvRmNBD0tEshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbiYxFKVtjUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEHkiqDFJGchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=funUmy69j4Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4kuYL1sfMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixMQ2k5T_sAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tof4XRTr4sAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLwDfqxcl1Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYBNPBAa7Rwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-c5iUJ1cJ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQEfO9sM4Ichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1be9U2SW9Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpIvxJF0nWghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztO2axg1Gs0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T8W5S0KJPU
>>215463486ah yeah. what i just realized is that germany's so-called girocard may be branded with visa pay or mastercard, but that only means that those will make you able to use your german debit card abroad; it does not mean that your debit card is a mastercard or features visa debit. instead, you have this retarded IBAN that works fine for everything german, but in international payment processing like stripe, it's essentially worthless. i never bothered to get a credit card because years ago there was this period where everybody struggled with them, in that they weren't commonly accepted or something else failed. for example, american express almost never works anywhere, it's a completely useless card in germany (or used to be, i don't know). so i simply have a german debit card. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girocardi don't really want to register a credit card or mastercard just for this one single 8$ payment))
>>215431986I like your Spain Spanish. American Spanish sounds disgusting and deters me from ever wanting to learn the language.>>215433333Where I live in the US there's some companies that won't hire you unless you're bilingual English/Spanish. I don't want to learn and pick up their disgusting latam dialect. Same thing with Portuguese.
>>215434530My TL is persian (farsi) and it's so difficult to find any fun resources to learn the language. Almost no games are in farsi, no good written media, and the little there is is in written and not spoken persian which are basically two separate dialects in their own right.Why is farsi so hard to learn :(
>>215464573>no good written media,>persianI hope you just mean media for beginners
>>215462767I'm waiting for the Arabic one. Especially for MSA. I'm just doing Pimsleur MSA+ its deck on Anki these days. I need another good deck with audio.
>>215463895Italy has a similar thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancomat_(interbank_network)However only getting cards that only work on that network is quite rare.
>>215464573this video has a good list of resources in the descriptionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77BqFyHctQYthis channel has comprehensible input for absolute beginners, but only 3 videos so farhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcOmYEmy0w5ugietm3fw8MOMi25A9TAsZyou can find Iranian youtubers as well, though it's native content so not suitable for beginners, but there's a lot of vlogs and listening material out there, for examplehttps://www.youtube.com/@booksonhershelf/videos
>>215464507>Where I live in the US there's some companies that won't hire you unless you're bilingual English/SpanishWhere and what industry?
>>215464820Yes, and in colloquial format. From my understanding, a lot of the good readings are advanced. Especially the poetry which even natives can find difficult.>>215465367Thank you anon, I'll check it out.>>215465385Near NYC. Manufacturing/plant engineer work. Lot of the grunt workers only speak one of the two languages so they want the engineers to be bilingual. I think it may be the same for the states bordering Mexico.
I followed the never learn grammar approach and now I sound like a caveman
>>215465737the input hypothesis says you're full of shit and your grammar is basically perfect (couldn't be any other way) because you learned the language the natural waystay mad, language chad
>>215425267>Also med women. What's wrong with them?That they are too beautiful.
>>215465737>outputted too earlyEnjoy fossilization.
>>215465737Impossible. What happens sometimes is that people will use conjugations at random, to speak "like a caveman" you have to know what's an infinitive and use it systematically.
I found the spanish version of nerdrotic.
>>215463722Thanks! Some of them are quite good
>>215466888checked and bump
kinda weird how this song was made by 2 random old Spanish guyshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWaymcVmJ-A
listen to things at a native level in target language. understand it. read books for adults. understand them. try to speak. sound like a complete retard.it's even worse when i try to speak in my target language.
>>215464862>arapcha oquymenshu itlerning tili néme qimmiti bar
>>215466666digits
>>215470282Speak more lol. I am a certified yapper in my tl
Rewatched Death Note in my TL and the ending got me mad again
Went to my first irl portuguese class. It is 90% rich boomers learning because they have a second home in Portugal. Ew
>>215473205I mean what were you expecting?
>>215473205my parents are rich boomers and with all the political shit going on in this country they've become fixated on moving to specifically Portugal. Portugal's hot with old people right now
>>215473205befriend them and get them to give you a high paying job so you can get a second home in portugal
>>215449079I have a theory that the schwa phenomenin of unstressed pronounce of vowels in "rio de janeiro" the "e" was unstressed until disappering and the voiced alveolar plosive and voiced postalveolar fricative became one single syllabe along the time.
youtube recommended me a video from this Greek channel. seems like it's mostly English explanations, not immersion, but still seems like a useful channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@pictureperfectgreek/videos
>>215473205I'll dabble in Portuguese once I eventually visit Macao https://youtu.be/zPWe_aBuNfM?si=zQOBk5BvCufb6ISe
>>215462380Bin derselben Meinung. Rammsteins Musik tut mir die Ohren höllisch weh. Bin kein Feminist oder sonst aber ich habe damals darüber gefreut, dass deren Frontsänger gecancelt wurde. Normalerweise würde ich auf sowas skeptisch sehen aber in diesem besonderen Fall muss man den armen Frauen einfach Glauben schenken. Ehrlich gesagt finde ich die Deutschen abgesehen von der Neue-Welle Strömung der 80er Jahren und den weltberühmten Komponisten alles andere als musikalisch veranlagt. >>215462395m8 they suck ass. Lel epic angry german music. If you are gonna listen to german music then listen to Falco (I know he was austrian).
du...du hast...du hast mich...
>>215462103Yeah, Disney songs. Not joking.
Rate my language progression:English (native)SpanishPortugueseFrench (here)Russian (future)Any languages I should've/should skip? Added?
>>215476401you need German and Italian to Euromaxx
>>215476436>germanwhat's the point when apparently all Germans speak English and I don't even like German autistic culture anyways>ItalianEh I don't see how it'll benefit me, apparently there's like a million dialects that are aren't even mutually intelligible and there's not enough Italian media to really justify the time sink when a Spanish translation will be close enough
>chinese girl Ive been friends with for a few months using colloquial english expressions that I didnt teach her and replying slower
>>215476472how about Arabic, Persian, and Chinese then
>>215476472Just to make this clear, the dialect thing is a non-issue. Everyone understands standard Italian.
>>215477190>an Italian awake at 7o clockshow flag
>>215477276I thought waking up at 7:00 was the standard everywhere.
I do not understand what I do, for I study that which I do not want to do. Now, if I do quit my Chinese, and learn the European and classical tongues, that feeling within me will disappear. Yet I will also lose something greater. For, I believe by faith that learning this Oriental tongue will benefit me somehow in the long term, as a human and in my craft. O why do I burden myself?>>215477507here it is between 05:00 and 07:00. Now I woke at 3:43 exactly, and the diehards start their cars exactly at 05:00 to leave for work. Interestingly, during my dog walks, I found that the bigger houses, are awake early, and the poor are never. All the 05:00 leavers are rich, and most <6:30 wakers are above average.
>>215470873Lol based, you're right. But I don't care about its people. I just focus on the language.
Done so far with basic phonetic technique Now I will be moving on to drilling them with word pairs https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/pronunciation/Pronunciation_points_by_level>>215462515I'm on a diet rn and I would kill to be the guy in this picture. That looks so fucking good ffs aaah 哎呀我饿了>>215476401广东话、普通话、日本语、韩国语>>215477013不用>>215477538Nobody needs to learn Chinese Just chill out and suspend it when it gets annoying, it's not going anywhere. It's like riding a bike.
Americans have it easy, they have an obvious language to learn (Spanish) that is useful to talk to their largest immigrant group and the whole of Latin America + Spain.In Germany, the languages that would be useful to talk to immigrant groups is Turkish or Arabic, for which there is hardly any content out there, almost no video games are dubbed in those languages, Arabic is even split into various dialects and MSA and the communities of those people are famously segregated and hostile to non-Muslims anyway.So I can learn Spanish or French which are basically useless inside Germany since we have no real community of speakers here.I could also learn Russian but since the war against Ukraine those immigrant communities have probably politicized their languages as well so our Ukrainian immigrants wouldn't like me speaking Russian to them o algo
>>215478602>talk to immigrant groupslol
>>215478602>Americans have it easy, they have an obvious language to learn (Spanish)Nobody cares about socializing with immigrant groups that weren't asked for. That shit is a sheltered white man's daydream anyway. Are you going to drive to the hispanic neighborhood and everyone's gonna come outside, join hands and kumbaya? No, you're going to remember nothing, there will never (ever) be any opportunities where you need even occupational spanish. Instead you will just be a moron that posts online about some >omg wow tamale burrito mexican food wow I love smoky latina women vgh the duende is incredibleIn English.The most obvious second language education choice for English speakers is French. Do not make me tap the sign. I was robbed of this rightful education as a child because of the midwit reasoning of "oh because there's mexicans nearby we should learn spanish." Now I can't spell extremely common English words like "bureau" without doing a double take. Thanks education system.
From both these personal pronouns were तू is singular and तुम is pluralI realized that when more you refer to a single individual as many, more formal it is in HindiExample:कब तुम आ रहे होThe continum paticiple is plural and the secons person auxiliary verb is plural too.
>>215478598日语韩语
>>215479518Not bad for guesswork
>>215471578Didn't Death Note have 2 endings?
>>215476401I'm about the same, except swapping Finnish for Russian.
haha look at you all discussing some letters like nerds hahah anyway we re gonna go save the world from demons see you later losers
You should quit everything and give up :)
>>215478830>Now I can't spell extremely common English words like "bureau" without doing a double take. Thanks education system.Because f*ench spelling is retarded, it should be spelled "buro".
>>215481164You are retarded and should be working in a pet supply store or an amazon warehouse
>>215480921I will get Hindu gf
>>215481322Ok, mutt, you are very intelligent because you spell words in a ridiculous way.
Once again the insides of my cheeks are dry and mouth is sore sore from practicing Chinese phonetics and tone pairs. I don't feel confident that tone pair practice will sufficiently help me as flashcards so I will just drill them as a daily warmup. I am finally done my initial perusal of phonetics and now feel ready to start learning characters. 我fucking饿了
