swedish politicians fucked up our electricity production so now everyone has bought these things to save money on electricity for heating their house and now the whole neighbour sounds like a jet engineIYC?
>>215638341It never gets below like 16ºC where I live so pretty much no one has heating at home
>>215638341There's not much heat in the cold air that you could pull. Especially when it's not dry. This thing is only good for the Mediterranean region.
>>215638341I live in a commieblock and i have centralized commieblock heating
>>215638390last winter i spent 2970 euro on just heating my home they are already warning it's going to be more expensive this winterim gonna kill myself
Heat pumps are a smart idea because physics do the work, but really shitty in cold climates
>>215638414>>215638470modern heatpumps work fine even at -20cif they didn't then they wouldn't be everywhere in the nordicks
>>215638467Winter here coated me 900 euro with a heat pump and it got like -15c here
>>215638470I still don't get what's so special about heat pumps. Aren't just like ACs but like inversed? They seem to work the exact same way, so I don't get what makes them so much better or more efficient.
>>215638598Heat pumps work the best in wet climate
>>215638598Heat pumps are more efficient because they take advantage of the free energy that is in the air. -20c sounds really cold but it's actually very warm compared to the absolute zero temperature of -273c.
>>215638341Lol just put on a sweater.
>>215638758When its minus 20 heat pump is close to 0% efficient
>>215638598Using electricity to move heat is more efficient than converting electricity into same amount of heat
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>>215638799Shut the fuck up you slavic Russian shill subhuman nigger. I hope you get drafted and a Ukranian drone blows your limbs off and you have to drag yourself through a sewer and get eaten alive by rodents.
>>215638799Belgorod
>>215638824>>215638836Two subhumans kekw
>>215638781You are just pulling numbers out of your ass.
>>215638781not him but a heat pump at -20 is still much more efficient than electric radiatorsin sweden they sell heat pumps that work all the way down to -35
>>215638861Hi rusnigger drop the VPN>>215638867When its -20 defrost consumes the energy heat pump saves
>>215638897All heat pumps can go to -35 (gas tempature) ice blocks radiator
>>215638861Hope the Japanese fold you 1000 times
>>215638913>>215638940how are you going to capitalise on this knowledge? with 2,1 million homes heated with heat pumps in sweden you could make a fortune
>>215638341You should light tea candles and place a ceramic pot upside down over them.
>>215639006This)))
>>215638341they're everywhere now. how does these differ from the ones americans have
>>215638341
>>215639004I am selling home power banks to people with heat pumps (very profitable)
>>215639026>they're everywhere now. how does these differ from the ones americans haveMy house just has central heating. Sometimes it gets too hot in one room so I will leave the heater on to keep the overall house warm but also put the AC on but have it just blowing intl the one room.
>>215639078My friend in Vermont has water heated driveway that melts snow
>>215638781No, they are better than that.
>>215639108That's pretty cool. We're thinking about putting sprinkler lines on our roof to keep the house damp during forest fire season.
>>215639157Most water systems don't work during fire like in LA
lol my landlord installed those fucking things on every home and he mounted them on the wall (wood) like the cheap retard that he isnow every time they switch on the whole wall starts vibrating and it sounds like a 747 is going to land on the house
>>215639203Just unbolt it for the platform
>>215638598Heat pumps just use enough electricity to draw air, the heat transfer is a physical process which doesnt need electricity, when it get cold it has to draw a shitton of air because Heat is more rare and efficiency collapses
>>215638341>buy something that consumes tons of electricity to save on electricity
>>215639157>sprinkler lines on our roof to keep the house damp during forest fire season.That's not going to do shit
>>215639363Better than radiator which is just forcing electricity into resistance THOUGH
>>215639363i live in a "developed area" so im not allowed to heat my home with a wood stove even though i have one and have unlimited and free supply of firewood heat pumps are the cheapest way for me to heat my home by far
>>215639363A lot of the houses here have garbage treated paper shingles and tiny embers blown from miles away can set the whole thing ablaze. Keeping roofs we helps.
>>215639429have you considered this?
>>215639035Based, power banks are almost always not worth it for the consumer
>>215638650>>215638758>>215638791>>215639314Thanks a lot anons
>>215639401We use gas, oil, long distance heating or geothermal in Germany
>>215639523Actually power banks are good because ppl can just consume power from the night
Can’t wait for winter ;)
>>215639589Does that even feel different on a desert?
>>215639571In France at least cost of buying the battery per kw is almost always superior to producing via solar, and buying at night, very very rare that storing is worth it
ayo welcome to the club
>>215639626yeah same here. Electricity is the cheapest during the night so what's the point. And if you have an electric car you plug it before going to bed.
>>215638341>swedish politiciansEU politicians*
>>215639681Also car can become ad hoc storage,
>>215638341I heat my house with firewood and pellets. Just my main fireplace is enough to keep my home at 18-20c when it's picrel outside.
>>215639723Where in Sweden do you live?
I've heard that 90 percent of the German population doesn't have AC, and that Germany's buses and subways are literally hell in the summer because they don't have it. South Korea has one of the highest AC per capita rates in the world.
>>215638341>IYC?Yea.. Fuck that.I bought one of these solar ovens but i havent opened it up yet. I was thinking of using it as a heat source during the day, supposedly it goes up to 300 celcius in a few minutes of sun exposure so it could work but Im too lazy to try it right now.
>>215639723Based.
>>215639909Thats the greentards doing, they consider AC is le big bad pollution because they actually think AC creates cold or heat which it doesnt, most ppl are ignorant
>>215639975South Korea has the highest per capita nuclear power plant operation rate and nuclear power generation rate in East Asia. Consequently, our electricity bills are considerably lower compared to our income level. While wages in South Korea and Japan are the same, Japanese citizens pay significantly higher electricity bills.
>>215638467Get a heat pump, dumbass.
>>215638341das rite
>>215640099I wonder, why Japanese don't build geothermal plants? That's almost free energy basically.Our Kurils and Kamchatka use geothermal.
>>215638341>IYC?Yes but in summer time.Some house have big like your pic and some have smaller for each room(I prefer smaller)
>>215640253Earthquake
>>215639486Illegal due to gay fuck zoning laws. Thankfully a lot of those laws are going away soon. We're going to get those Spanish style ceramic tiles hopefully instead.
>>215639909I once got into a literal yelling match with some Germa tourist who was mad that our AC was on at work while our door was open. The fucking door was open because he kept walking in and out to recirculate air in. He said we'd get mold if he didn't. This is southern California in 105°f heat and 5% humidity.
>>215640471Based retard
>>215640395Nigga, they have fucking nuclear power plants. And Kamchatka and Kurils have tons of earthquakes too.How do they even build cities then if >earthquake???
Also AC dries the air so wtf
>>215638341Only alcoholics living in a shitty house in bunfuck nowhere have these though
>>215640471Why was a German tourist at your work? >>215640509Maybe its to do with the depths of lava vents.
>>215640534Germans tour is watching workplaces and going jaaa we dont do that IN GERMANY
>>215638968kekw
>>215640534>Why was a German tourist at your work?It's a seed and feed store. (Like in the Sneed meme) he wanted to plant squash in the garden in back of the place he was staying. He got mad that we didn't have it too. He also kept staring at my coworkers boobs.
>>215639838Kiruna.
>>215641087Imagine living in winter wonderland with your beautiful swedish snow queen... vgh
>>215640099It is very regrettable that the amount of radiation emission in Korea is higher than Japan and second to China.Please do more maintenance and inspection of nuclear power generation.
>>215641083Does she have nice boobs?
>>215639026they are ductless. technology connections has a video on them.
>>215638467you don't have woods , nigga
>>215638467>>215639723Suddenly I'm not so upset that my ancestors settled in a 98% desert country anymore. When it hits 50°C you can just take your clothes off but what do you do whej it's -40°C
My brother has both an oil boiler for the whole home and a wood stove in the living room. We've just switched from oil to gas, but we're not that happy about it's performance.
>>215643331Put more clothes on? Also insulate your home
>>215639078Europoors, our response?...
>>215639411just fire your wood nigga like theres no wood police checking out on your shit lmaoooo
>>215643521Last summer i trained myself to not need the fan at 45°C and i would go outside in the full summer heat in a dress shirt and not sweat. I don't see how that's possible for -20°C weather where the water in your fingers and nose will literally freeze off and give you necrosis if you don't get warm because it's physics in action. Heat is definitely easier to deal with than cold just look at Tropical Africans who live in 50°C weather all year round and don't need to do anything to survive the temperature.
I’m an heat pump expert (tm). AMAAlso gas heating is still the best option in some places like southern Europe compared to heat pumps.
>>215639078sounds like my mother. She loves to blast the AC in her room and then sleep with an electric blanket at max power.
>>215643704middlea-easternloidians don't suffer. I walked to store yesterday without jacket when it was +8c and i was sweating
>>215643640„These are their customs and they must be respected.“
>>215643708why the fuck are there no spare parts (compressor) for my 7 year old mitsubishi heat pump and when i pressed him on it he said he could order one from japan but it would cost almost as much as whole new unit?this thing is supposed to save me money, how am i saving money if i have to replace the fucking thing every ~10 years???
>>215640099Boomers here think that AC makes you sick, and zoomers all rent and can't install proper AC so have to make due with shitty portable units. Also electricity is hella expensive here
>>215638341Idk nigga, just use a gas furnace
>>215643830>just pump explosive gases into your homeno i dont think i will do that
I fear this heat pump invasion infesting my area because of the noise pollution. It's not worth the efficiency, peace of mind is worth far more
>>215643862I haven’t blown up yet
>>215643331That's far too hot for me, I'm struggling at anything above thirty and minimal clothing, what am I supposed to do? Take my skin off? Colder weather is comfier you can just put more clothes on and voila
just use incandescent bulbs they generate heat unlike soulless leds
>>215643801They are designed to last ten years. Gas boilers are designed for 15-20 years.Spare parts are expensive because every few years they release new models, so the factories stop producing the old parts or produce them at a very low rate (or are made to order). They are expensive because of that, and not the inherent value of the part itself.Also every heat pump at -10 degrees likes to turn on the e-heater like a motherfucker, making it extremely inefficient.
>>215644105Dude, you don't the demon energy swirling around your pets. Incandescents served their purpose but the gateway to hell they open isn't worth light at night. JuAt duh
>>215644143cool so in the big picture i am probably not saving much money at all and instead im just creating more waste somewhere in the world there are mountains of old heat pumps slowly poisoning the environment fuck this gay modern world
>>215644267Heat pumps are 95% recyclable, they’re basically sheet steel and copper.Also all the newer heat pumps’ refrigerant gases are environmentally friendly and if they escape to the atmosphere there’s absolutely no problem.>>215643862New heat pumps are filled with explosive gases and are MORE dangerous than boilers and gas heaters because they operate at much higher pressures.Just search for videos of maintenance guys getting blown to pieces while meddling with industrial ones.
>>215644340>Gas is good for environnement and also very explosivewhich is it
We should, as the average citizen, be willfully trying to waste as much energy and be as inefficient as possible as that will on effect keep the population in check
>>215638341those aren't even that noisy, i have mine installed right beside my window.
>>215638341Our last (green) minister of econmy forced a law on us that forces us to adapt those things, too. He also wrecked our economy and left us with the highest electricity prices on this planet. (Because of very high energy taxes and subsidies for all the rich fags that own houses and have subsidized solar panels on top.)
>>215643331>Suddenly I'm not so upset that my ancestors settled in a 98% desert country anymoreWeren't those lands much more temperate back then? Maybe I'm thinking of Mesopotamia, but I remember reading that it was much cooler when people first decided to settle there, with a climate more like modern day France.
>>215644618subsidized solar is a scamchinks roll out good panels for 90€/ a piece, just assemble some bars on the ground to put the panels on and done
>>215641463Yeah they are pretty gigantic but saggy, like that weird Florida woman that people keep posting here.
>>215644739Electric power is not paid by welfare and has become so expensive that it's become a probleme for poorer people. Green politics means the rich people with solar panels benefit financially while the poor people who rent have to pay them.
>>215643640Harsher regulations on heater power usage and restrictions on AC sales, to compensate earth for increased North American power usage.
>>215638470Air source heat pumps are garbage. Ground source is good but it requires very expensive set up.
>>215644626Supposedly yes but that was tens of thousands of years ago. Picrel is a map i found of what Africa should've looked like a dozen-ish thousand years ago in the early Holocene but i have no clue if it's accurate or not. Given that Homo Sapiens supposedly stared migrating out of Africa 70Kya it's not far fetched to imagine the map as being even greener than the early Holocene it's based on because the earth was far colder then. Idk however so take this with a grain of salt and do your own reading xoxo
>>215644450It’s good for the environment but it explodes, those are two very different things. I thought nords were intelligent.
>>215644970>Explosive environnement huh
>>215645046You are not poisoning the planet but you might explode yourself.
>>215639108thats really neat desu
>>215645228Burning methane and butane is better than letting it letting out into the atmosphere as is since it is a considerable more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2.
>>215639623its sharp dry cold
>>215644817I live off solar. Set the thing up myself. I honestly don't get why people don't do it. My panels I got for free because they are older and some guy didn't want to pay to get rid of them then I used old car batteries an inverter and controller. I don't need heating or ac where I live I'm just surprised most European don't just install them
>>215645649Dude, we rent. Only a small percentage of people own their own houses and CAN install solar panel. And that number is ever decreasing. Nobody with an honest job can afford a house anymore.
>>215645738So put panels where you rent or buy a boat. Guys it takes maybe 4 hours. You can hook them up and go off grid. Probably save a couple hundred a month. Enough excuses
>>215645738>Nobody with an honest job can afford a house anymore.You can if you buy an empty plot of land and build it yourself. Most of my friends have done that.
I swear to God. If you don't like where you live, move. I don't know why Europeans don't get this. If you don't want to move then fight if you don't want to fight shut the fuck up. It's very simple
>>215638341>put wood in stove>burn the wood>stay warm and comfySimple as.>But muh climate!Cuck psyop. You will never offset the emissions of heavy industry.
>>215645911It still costs a fortune in my country.>>215645847If you rent, the landlord has the say about what can and can't be installed on the facade. Example: A neighbour two floors down had a satellite dish on his balcony. Wasn't allowed, he was forced to get rid of it and pay for cable TV.
>>215643704Clothes isolate you, you lose less heat. It's the same with home insulation, you loose/gain less heat from the exterior, you need less energy to maintain pleasant temperature.
>>215645738doitsu-chan....
>>215646169None of the people who live in the houses on your picture owns the house. You can clearly see that it's all apartment buildings and those people rent.
>>215645974Fuck them lol what are they going to do, detach reusable power source?Fuck them and fuck the courts Make them come for them. They debate for a while then let you go
>>215645974just install a plug and play panel you fucking pussy
>>215646376It's amazing what you can do when you ignore stupid politicians Even the police are like yeah that's fucking stupid, do your thing
>>215646357>>215646376Thanks to the millions of immigrants, affordable apartments are extremely hard to find. If they evict you, you can only lose. Landlords on the other hand can pick and choose from dozens if not hundreds of applicants.
>>215638341They make almost no noise and you'd have to be a complete fucking retard to not have had one. Ancient tech.>>215638467Do you live in an apartment with subsidized utilities? My family spent nearly 100K euros on electricity in 2022, and we burned a lot of wood and pellets in addition to using electricity for heat.
>>215646477Nigga you don't get it. They are just talking and talking but they won't do shit. Because they know the population including the police will just laugh them off. We are in the death of the nation state era.
>>215646505>Let me tell you about your country ...
I mean no police officerWhile see someone installing a renewable power source on an apartment and go"Well that's a major issue and hurts society"No. They'll go well he's bringing the cost of power down, I'm just going to let the never ending court shit happen and they'll stay anyways
>>215646482>nearly 100K euros on electricityFucking how?
>>215646610We'll see>>215646581Yeah I am. It's called basic human instinct. "Oh he's adding to community power and we have stupid laws driving my own cost of living up, I didn't see this or I'm going to invent some shit so I can arrest murderers instead.
>>215646482>My family spent nearly 100K euros on electricity in 2022
>>215646616I blame Germany, Denmark, and the red and green parties here.
>>215646616During peak hours it would cost 3-4 dollars to play one game of CSGO.
>>215647254True. We've increased solar and wind power so that it now provides 70-75% of our power. When the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine, we buy electricity from foreign countries. At extremely high prices, and that also drives up prices in those countries.You have our former governments to blame for that.
>>215647383I think German climate infringements deserve an armed response. Strategic bombing of all German power plants and anyone involved in the brown coal supply chain. It would save countless lives and is the morally righteous thing to do. Nuclear power should be built where the coal plants stand today. Any German seen within 1 kilometer of lignite should be incinerated immediately. Turned into fuel for district heating.
>>215646482>The family home in question
>>215647910Not quite that big, but a third of the building is made out of glass. We don't heat the atrium in the winter, but glass is a poor insulator.
>>215647676Yes, but we don't have a country with 2000 kilometers of empty space like you do. If something happens like Fukushima or Chernobyl, we can't evacuate. It's logistically impossible. Also nuclear energy is just too expensive. We used to have clean (heavily filtered) coal power plants. Not brown coal, but stone coal/black coal with a very low sulfur content.
>>215648139By burning coal you do more damages when people breath in the pollution
>>215639363With a COP of 4xWhy spend 4x on electricity to produce 4x heat, when you could spend 1x electricity to produce 4x heat?
>>215648378It's CO2, you breath that in everyday. The SO2 gets filtered out by mandatory filters. With nuclear energy, we don't even have a final storage for the nuclear waste, even though we've been looking for one for over 60 years now.
>>215648985>we don't even have a final storage for the nuclear wastedig deep into rock and dump it there, you can't do that in germany?
>>215648985A geological stable terrain such as a salt mine?
>>215638799it's germany, poland and baltniggers fault thoughbeit.>>215647676this is the only viable solution, I'm afraid>>215648137>but a third of the building is made out of glass.the correct isolation is so important here.apartment buildings suffer in the heat because you can't cool.
>>215649068>>215649169We have a salt mine. Water seeps into it and has corroded all the drums with nuclear waste over the last decades. It's not safe and the cleanup costs billions. All of course paid by the taxpayer.Nuclear energy is only profitable if the government pays for most of the costs.
>>215649344>Nuclear energy is only profitable if the government pays for most of the costs.DUH, private nukes are such a german theory
>>215638341Friendly reminder that we could give electricity to all of Europe (sun) but the french government is blocking us because they want to still be selling nuclear to others.
>>215649344not a mine, a borehole. you can dig into rock and entomb the waste forever.the only reason nuclear waste disposal is complicated is because of NIMBY bullshit.
>>215651798>a boreholeWe have tens of thousands of tons of nuclear waste. A simple borehole wouldn't do at all. Plus the region has to be geologically stable for millions of years. We don't have that either.If it were that simple, the problem would have been solved in the 60s.
>>215638467Can you dig a basement? It's 5-6 warmer than the floors above ground
>>215652360ok, so let's assume nuclear is literally impossible (greenpeace and gazprom told me so)what is the german solution, then? environmental death cult(fully de-industrialize)? turn gas into hydrogen and pretend it's green?
Politician niggas be like>let's sell all of our energy to Germany or why not give it to Google for free? Why not deregulate the infrastructure and energy geid and make sure private companies get rich off of basic utilities like fucking electricity, which our country gets for free from the fucking rivers
>>215648139>If something happens like Fukushima or ChernobylFukushima killed 2000 people. Coal power kills 4400 Germans PER YEAR. >>215648985It's not CO2, it's radioactive radon. German coal alone kills more people every three year period than nuclear power plants have killed all over the world for all time. You've really proven my point that your people are too fucking stupid to be allowed to govern yourselves. We must take military action to save you from yourselves.
