Why did they reject Jesus for this man?
>>216042396We were forced to convert
>>216042396Reject what? We accept Jesus.
>>216042396zutted and nutted
>>216042431You reject him being the son of God
>>216042451Was never one to begin with.
>>216042460This is called rejection
>>216042396whatever level of religious awareness you think the average tribesmen has in the 7th century take that and reduce it 1000% to put things in perspective In fucking world war 1 concripts where interviewed of thier religious beliefs in the ottoman empire and did not know if Muhammad was dead or if their general envar pasha was Muhammad or not so odds are whatever form of Christianity they had was some random retarded local shizo amalgam babble
>>216042488>source: my ass
>>216042431>>216042460>yeah we like Jesus but he totally wasn’t as cool as the zesty pedo zuttslut!
Honestly what do Muslims think of all this zutt stuff? If it is real how can they possibly go on?
>>216042606It's not what you think it is.
LMFAO. More sora videos more.
>>216042606They just attempt to avoid the topic until it has disappeared from their psyche.
>>216042606they claim they were jinns instead
>>216042396Because it's literally the same shit. In one their prophet gets zutted; in another the messias is some vulture food stuck in a cross.Anyone who genuinely believes this trash in 2025 is a retard and deserves to be treated as one.
>>216042606they dont actually know about it, they live in their own bubble. If the masses get their hands on the zutt meme then theyll have to find a cope
>>216042606They either try to ignore it or use some linguistic gymnastics to argue he was actually having a Dragon Ball Z(utt) fight with genies that just so happened to result in semen stained clothes after
someone devise an argument i can show a muzzie if he tries to deflect the zutt in the butt, theyre so culted
Why did he write this?
>>216042606Forced meme by Jews and Hindus. If it was real it would be common knowledge like Aisha and cousin marriages. Plus think Islam would’ve died out 1400 years ago and Middle East would be Christian
>>216042606Back then it was normal, okay?
>>216042952It doesn't matter what your argument is because they'll attack you regardless if you're right. But if you want to argue against their copes here's the common line of refutation for them.1) The hadith is weakIt's narrated by Sayyidina Ibn Mas‘ud, this is THE most reliable narrator in Islam. He's functionally an apostle to them and the great translator of the Quran because Muhammad was illiterate. The chain of transmission is sahih which is the highest grade imaginable. The collection of hadiths it is from is the Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal compiled by Ahmad ibn Hanbal he's a scholar that was a teacher to Al-Bukhari who more or less created the bedrock of Sunni Islam, his work is considered to be second only to the Quran.2) I only observe the QuranThis is apostasy, by their own admission the Quran does not work on their own and they lose almost all of their practices and culture without hadiths.3) They were jinn, this was the night of the jinn.A complete hallucination, if they were jinn that were crowding around Muhammad like they claim the text would have just said so.https://sunnah.com/ahmad:1435Like the above hadith for instance. The hadiths don't tell a story, they're accounts. The night of the jinn was a separate event that Abdullah was not even present for.https://sunnah.com/muslim:450a4) Semantics bullshitRide has had a sexual connotation even back then and their semantic argument boils down to Muhammad actually giving piggyback rides to Al-Zutt tribals who are often cited to be very lean and have big dick. Either that or they pile on him for some reason. They will invent 300 definitions for their word for 'ride' and take every context except for the obvious, this is easily the worst faith argument in their arsenal.
>>216042606Islam is the king of ostrich digging the head in the sand and parroting lies they hear without question, they're kind of brainwashed into that mode of thinking since they were kids "nuh uh didn't happen all fake here's what some sheikh says about it Ctrl+c Ctrl+v it's da'if do you even know the arabic well Rebecca was 3 how can you say God took a shit or ate food"
>>216042606Most people don't care, the ones who can truly hurt Muslims are ex muslims because they know Islam's weak spots
>>216042550source: Şerif Mardin
>>216043256Based rebuttal. ZUTT is inevitable.
>>216042488if you are illiterate why would you think the Peygamber is different then the Pasha
>>216042396Jeet central intelligence when the zutt meme launched
>>216043928desu we should just give it to them. this was such an unexpected win. what's funny is that some mudslime actually clarified that zutt were jeets because he wanted to discredit the hadith (after all, why would jeets be anywhere near muhammad???) but it only made it funnier.
The average "religious" person is actually not religious at all and just goes along with things due to culture and aesthetics. Normal people go their whole lives without ever having picked up a religious text. If people actually learned about religion, jews would be genocided immediately in every country they're in. Judaism as described in their own books is one of the most vile, hateful, supremacist worldviews in the history of humanity, but people have no religious awareness whatsoever so they just don't even think about it. Same with modern catholics who like the aesthetics of christianity and have some vague chud ideas so they crusader larp while also not following Christian practices beyond the most superficial shit. Islam especially is so culturally ingrained that people just wave their hands around and say something about allah while not having a fucking clue where any of it comes from.
>>216043967>I'd die for this religion based on holy scripture readily available to me.>Also I'll never put aside time to read those same scriptures I dedicate my life to.I guess reading is the most difficult task of all.
>>216043256I'm saving this as a copypasta.
>>216043256You talk about bad faith but you're the one who'd seriously argue that Islamic Scholars like Hanbal would be okay with a hadith that says Muhammad was engaging in sodomy. Obviously he didn't interpret it your way.
>>216043256You are a king
>>216044064So youre saying they twisted the narrative back then and that all haddiths and the entire koran is not true?
>>216044064The hadiths are an account they're not meant to portray Muhammad in a particular way they had people follow him all the time as witnesses. There's an endless slew of pointless events and occasions where Muhammad isn't portrayed positively. Hadiths don't require context, you'd know this if you're Muslim, they quite literally follow him around and act as witnesses to his life.
>>216044064So then what happened? What does it mean? Why would the people who supposedly recorded every other hadith totally faithfully make a mistake with this one? If it isn't a mistake but also isn't true then why would they mislead the followers of the prophet?
Are muslims retarded?
>>216044030If you save it as a copypasta do two things for me. First correct the grammatical errors and second add 'If you get to the point where they start arguing semantics or gatekeeping with Arabic you've won the argument and there's no point in pressing further'. It truly is pointless arguing with these people, but by all means enjoy if you want to.
>>216042606they literally stopped posting after the zuttening
>>216044217They'll be back and for a second round
PLEASE BECOME MAINSTREAM
>>216042396I think that zutts were actually ethiopian christians and not jeets.Abdullah just never met africans and thought that every dark-skinned person is indian.
>>216044287I've seen in once on twitter yesterday.
>>216044288that would make sense
>>216044094Hadith are not seen as infallible by Muslims, if Hanbal read this hadith and saw that it completely went against his image of the prophet, he would have discarded it or there would have been some big controversy about the prophet being a sodomite. He obviously thought the hadith meant something else, which is what Muslim anons here are saying. >>216044141Buddy, ofc they're an account, but if there is suddenly a random hadith in there that says Muhammad claimed to be Allah, then it would create a huge controversy or just be discarded, because the Muslims had an image of him. Similarly, if the hadiths suggested Muhammad was a sodomite, that would have created a lot of controversy too. >>216044144There were thousands of hadiths that were discarded for being falsified, this hadith was deemed as sound, probably because they think it means Muhammad was in a spiritual struggle where he converted djinn through recitation. If they were meant to be a group of people, why would a line on the ground keep them from Masud too? Why wouldn't they just "rape" him if that's what was going on.
>>216044463My man, the rules don't apply to Muhammad himself, he's the Arabic Joseph Smith. Muhammad could have wives even above the cap he set for his followers, the point of Islam is submission Muhammad is perfect whether or not you agree with his actions he's the Abrahamic equivalent of a bodhisattva or brahmin.
>>216044463>He obviously thought the hadith meant something elseYou are projecting, in Muhammads lifetime same sex acts were socially disproved yet weren't condemned and criminalise until we'll after his death. High chance its because he liked getting zutted himself
Isn't it odd how Muhammad never declared a punishment for being butt fucked by Indians in the desert
>>216044463>He obviously thought the hadith meant something elsewhat did he think pic related meant?
>>216044496No, that's not true. There were lots of controversies Muhammad was involved in, he married his adopted son's wife (after she divorced his adopted son) and it was a big controversy in the community until there was a Quran verse saying it's allowed. Muhammad was constantly facing criticisms.>>216044509>The Prophet Muhammad said, “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done”.You people are out of your depth here.
>>216044560Go back to Morocco/Algeria or Pakistan, shitter.
>>216044597Words of defeat.
>>216042996>>216043805SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
>>216042606It's a hadith from Musnad Ahmed, as in Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, I think it's the third or fourth biggest collection of hadith, it's used by Muslims of the hanbali school of jurisprudence, the smallest of all sunni schools barely followed by 30 million people, if that. As far as I can tell, it doesn't figure in Al Bukhari's book, or Muslim's, only Ahmed's, so he must have gotten his gay fantasies from somewhere else.hanbalite madhhab the root of wahhabism aka Saudi Arabia.they have been polluting the internet with their school for over a decade now, it is really REALLY hard to find islamic websites that aren't Hanbali. Almost all of them have direct ties to Saudi Arabia the only country who follows the Hanbali school.
>>216044623There's this many Hadiths saying he did gay shit even if most of them are fake it points to him at least being a little gay irl.
>>216044560What stage
>>216042976
>>216044560>The Prophet Muhammad saidRules dont apply to the writers
>>216044560Muhammad was never ostracised for doing things that would get any other follower of Islam exiled. There's many things in the hadiths that Muslims cannot do which Muhammad does not as an example, but just because of the structure of Islam making sure that there needs to be a witness for everything. If it was anyone else we wouldn't have half the amount of hadiths we do they would have been stoned far sooner.
>>216044685Im ex-Muslim, Muhammad did a lot of fucked up shit, but the Zutt thing is obviously fake, it doesn't make any sense under critical scrutiny.
>>216044659https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Hanbal>One of the most venerated Islamic intellectual figures, ibn Hanbal is notable for his unmatched memorization of over one million prophetic narrations[c], an unprecedented number that has never been claimed by any other muhaddith.[d][11][10] Ibn Hanbal also compiled the largest hadith collection, al-Musnad,[12] which has continued to exercise considerable influence on the field of hadith studies up to the present time, shaping the methodological framework later employed in both Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.[9] Imam al-Dhahabi described him as “the true Imam, the proof of the religion, the master of hadith, and the leader of the Sunnah”.[13][14] Imam Ali ibn al-Madini said: “Truly, Allah supported this religion through two men, to whom there is no third: Abu Bakr during the Ridda Wars, and Ahmad ibn Hanbal during the Mihna”.[15][16]Yeah I doubt this guy is a nobody figure in Islam.
>>216044705>In 33:50, It says it is lawful for the prophet to have sex with a believing women who approaches him who he wants to marry, but its only legal for him. That sounds really cynical to me
>>216043256Well someone's done their homework. Nice work lol even if they won't hear you out because they can't accept that Momo got that Momoussy blown out by BZC
>>216044742Youre obviously still a muslim and still believe you'll burn for eternity if youre srilldefending the pedophile
>>216043928
>>216044714>Muhammad was never ostracised for doing things that would get any other follower of Islam exiled.Such as? Other than having more wives than the limit.
>>216046021In Sahih Bukhari 2766 he accuses a chaste woman of fornicating without witnesses which is one of the worst sharia rules to break. This was apparently after that one incident where scholars are on the fence about whether Aisha had committed zina with Safwan. He also married one of his daughters in law Zaynab bint Jahsh which is also breaking sharia law. There's also the crossdressing hadith, but I'm on the fence about that one. Idk why this is surprising to anyone, Islam had a prototype papal infallibility for prophets, it's part and parcel for Islam.https://al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia/infallibility-prophets-part-1>The Sunni scholars do not speak in one voice on this subject. Some Sunnis claim that the Prophet (S) is sinless or infallible ONLY in the delivery of Allah’s message. Other than that, he (S), just like others, sins and makes mistakes in many things.If he's doing something to further Islam and is a prophet of Islam he can do nothing wrong.
>>216042396Arab "men" are genetically predisposed to being bred by the men of Al-Zutt. You might even say that they're... BVILT FOR BBC
>>216046363I dont think he accuses anyone at that point? Wtf are you talking about?And about Zaynab, it was not the teaching of Islam but rather Arab norm at the time so it's not about breaking the rules of Islam but rather break the past with past norms that don't conform to Islam.
>>216046686Yes he did. This one could easily be made into a hadithjak it's beyond ridiculous.https://archive.org/details/SahihMuslim-Arabic-english7Vol.Set/SahihMuslimVol.7-ahadith6723-7563/page/172/mode/1up>It was narrated from Anas that a man was accused of misbehaving with the concubine of the Messenger of Allah |g who had borne him a child. The Messenger of Allah S| said to 'Ali: "Go and strike his neck/' 'All came to him and found him in a well, cooling himself off. 'Ali said to him: "Come out," and he took him by the hand and brought him out. Then he saw that he was mutilated and did not have a penis, so he refrained from killing him. Then he came to the Prophet #| and said: "O Messenger of Allah, he is mutilated, he does not have a penis."He told his followers to attack a eunuch who he assumed to be fucking his concubine on a rumor without any witnesses.
>>216044463>Jayeed hoot'hoot jayeed hoot'hoot
>>216042560LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>216042460Blasphemy.
>>216044339kek
>>216042606I investigated the matter closely and the general consensus from muslim scholars appears to be that the word translated into english as “mounted” can also mean something like “to press upon” and that it basically means they surrounded him closely.
>>216049944Did they explain why the prophet was in pain when he walked back to Abdullah? Most confusing part for me
>>216050044the zutt were apparently jinn (demons) and mohammed had spent all night reciting the quran at them, only going back to abdullah in the morning
>>216050140Abdullah wasn't close enough to hear what he was reciting. Also it's haram for men to see other men naked (Muhammad not included), he probably put distance between the zutt and Abdullah to protect him. That's likely why Abdullah said that he couldn't see the genitals, because if he did people would question him. Note that this is basically the only restriction on being gay in Islam that's different from Christianity. Everything else they have against it is from the Torah.https://sunnah.com/muslim:338a
>>216042431Ok fine.Now condemn that pedo sodomite false prophet
>>216042396They were promised hookers and free alcoholic drinks in heaven
>>216042488SOVL>>216042550I can't say if this is true but Engels has a great passage in the Condition of the Working Class in England where he illustrates the illiteracy of the English working class by mentioning how many schoolchildren don't know who Jesus was and those who know think the events of the Bible took place near Birmingham o algo
>>216043256>4) Semantics bullshitIt definitely means "to get fucked" in that context>"A woman may be compared to a cow, horse, or camel for all are ridden": تفسير القرطبي الجامع لأحكام القرآن (Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v.15, p.172)
>>216051963Are there other hadiths with that word?
>>216052058Not sure if this is sahih or not
>>216043805don't do this faggotry. this is a cult and if you think there's nothing wrong with it, then there's a problem in yout. ex-muslim
