Why aren’t they one country?
Because Scandinavia is a worse tag in EU4Just unify as Sweden and remain as Sweden.
there were a lot of attemps of it but it always fell apartmost nordics dont like the idea of EU either, only Finland is part of it fully while Denmark has shit ton of opt outs and Sweden will most likely never join the euro. If we didnt have Russia we would be similar to Sweden as welloverall we have noticed that we work the best together when we dont force marriage upon ourselves. since we arent lazy like Spaniards and retardedly corrupt like most of Europe and we arent too proud or have any kind of superpower fantasy like France, Germany and Britain....we usually work very well together in things we agree on. We dont ask each other to pay for our debt, we dont blame the other one when we do something wrong, we dont try to wrong the other party etc.the EU is precisely built because some countries like Spaniards and Italians want other people to pay for their mansions and Germans and the French want a new empire and Eastern Europeans just want gibs. For Nordics it was more strategical choice that didnt really work out in the end either.
>>216049266I heard there is a movement in Sweden now calling for reunification with Finland especially that Finland has a Fennoswedish president now so it's apparently a good time. But on the other hand, Finns still exhibit quite a strong inferiority complex regarding Sweden, as well as the Finnish society is quite militarized and nationalistic so it won't probably happen. Many Finns seem to think Sweden only wants to use Finland as a shield against Russia.
>>216049413https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire?useskin=vectorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Union?useskin=vectorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_between_Sweden_and_Norway?useskin=vectorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark%E2%80%93Norway?useskin=vectorall of these fell apart because of democratic process, war or other conflicts
>>216049266we should be
Swedes are our colonial oppressors. Never again will Finland carry the yoke of the hellish swede devil
>>216049441that was one professor in Lund university who said something like that. Irrelevant thing. Also he called for Belarus-Russia style union, not a federal statethe idea of Nordic EU was proposed long before the EU was formed, but it fell apart because Finland didnt take part in it since the Soviets were against it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordek?useskin=vector
>>216049510>Also he called for Belarus-Russia style unionI don't think it's a good example kek, in current circumstances it just...doesn't sound good.Also, it would imply that Finland would adopt Swedish as its main language same like Belarus did with Russian, and Finnish would be shunned and gradually forgotten as no one would continue to use it as Swedish is "more prestigious".
>>216049266umm chud you forgot the New Nordics
>>216049545what Belarus and Russia has is a confederation. Language will never be an issue in modern age. In fact if we had to have an unified language it would be English or something but that wouldnt be nice so we would still have our own languages.
>>216049630Why don't they merge?
>>216049630we're more Nordic than they are
>>216049693too different culturally and historicallyactually they never had anything to do with each other until they were occupied by the USSR that launched the 'uravnilovka' policy and made them all somehow similar in certain aspects
>>216049693why doesnt China and Japan just merge?
>>216049693it's called the Nordic-Baltic 8 in politics
>>216049630south east sweden
>>216049653>so we would still have our own languages.Well, that's only assuming your culture would be strong enough to resist Swedish cultural pressure, like you wouldn't watch Swedish media, listen to their music and so on. But well, maybe you're right, probably nowadays the large part of Swedish cultural output is in English anyway so if anything it would only accelerate anglicization rather than swedization.
>>216049266We're tried like a bazillion times but it's always ended in war and death.
>>216049703>Nordic identity in Estonia refers to the concept that Estonia is, or ought to be considered, one of the Nordic countries. The current mainstream view outside of Estonia does not usually include Estonia among Nordic countries, but categorizing it as a Nordic or Northern European country is common in EstoniaMein gott dieses estländisches volkes... vas is das
>>216049266Why would we be? We got open borders and free travel between us. Literally no reason to be united.
>>216049769umm maybe you should have asked Finns first, instead of attacking them? >>216049779it's actually weird how Estonians or Latvians see themselves as Nordic despite German culture being much stronger there historically than anything Scandinavian. They are unironically more "Central European" in this sense (if we understand Central Europe as German-influenced countries) than let's say Hungary or Slovakia are.
>>216049764you clearly dont know the actual culturual pressures in Nordicstake a great look at UMK and then look at Melodifestivalen and see what languages you hear in each one of them
>>216049790>Literally no reason to be united.Russia generally sees the world through the lens of pure statistical strength, their politicians look how populous the country is on wikipedia and then decide on their foreign politics regarding this country.So it's always better to have 15 million rather than 10 million when dealing with them.
>>216049797>FinnsSweden and Denmark hold the record for most wars fought between two nations in history.
>>216049805>take a great look at UMK and then look at Melodifestivalen and see what languages you hear in each one of themidk you tell me
>>216049797Meinen gedanken das ist einen defensmechanismus of die Esrländisches. Ze nordics have more of ze internationale sway.
>>216049828Who gives a shit? Russia can't even subdue a single country. Biggest meme country on the planet.
>>216049779kek
>>216049853>can't even subdue a single country.yeah but this single country had 40-50 million people you know>>216049849im not sure about it, it seems to be still Germany has a lot more soft power (and hard power too) and being closely associated with Germany would actually make their little countries feel safer than being associated with Finland, no offense.
>>216049845top 5 for melodifestivalen>Bara bada bastu (Swedish)>Revolution (English)>Believe Me (English)>On and On and On (English)>Yihaa (English)for UMK>Ich komme (Finnish)>Made of (English>Aina (Finnish)>Hitaammin hautaan (Finnish)>Nightmares (English)and note that for Sweden the top 1 being Swedish was an outlier for years.
>>216049901And Russia has 143 million... Yet here we are.
>>216049845>>216049979also noteUMK is way less democratic than melodifestivalen so the choices of melodifestivalen reflect what Swedish people actually like
>>216049979so i explicitly said that it would be anglicization rather than swedization
ok so let's settle it once and for alldo Finns feel closer to Swedes or to Estonians?civilization or culture?nurture or nature?
>>216050057want to finger your strawberry hole, milk your boy teat, drink your boy yogurt
>>216050001they added an "international jury" that has 50% of the power to cuck the people
>>216050057>asking hikikomoris for thisNåå I dånt tink såå,,https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/1nbqvjs/do_you_feel_closer_to_estonians_or_swedes/
>>216050186better hikki's answer than r*dditor's
>>216050141there is already that here and the UMK singers who join the contest are all chosen by some circlejerkone year they even did so that they just skipped the whole thing altogether and picked one singer and the UMK was about which one of her songs you would pick
>>216050199Reddit is friend4chan is brown and russian
>>216050186ok i took a look on that and it's kinda funny how most redditors are like>uhhhh deep in our heart we know we are more similar to estonians b-but...saying this openly would make us eastern European, so no
>>216049693please tell me how this could even remotely work
>>216050186>Estonian cities also have that distinctive Soviet-era architectural layer that Finland completely missed.how can Finns say this seriously lmao do they even have any self-awareness?
>>216050057Sweden has way more historical influence and therefore cultural influence than Estonia. Like unbelievably so. Here I was thinking one day that why do we eat pea soup on thursdays and apparently it came from Sweden! Finnish food is Swedish food with Eastern Finnish influences.But if we were talking about strictly linguistics and ethnic wise, see for example which would cause the least amount of disturbance at family christmas table if I brought a girl home. Estonian girl would be an easier choice then. The modern opportunities in personal aspects is bigger with Estonians than it is with Swedes, but that wont change the thousand years of history with Sweden.>>216050275this kind of housing exists in Sweden as well.
>>216050273vgh a rainbow nation...
>>216050306also the fact that Estonians have a sizeable Russian population and Estonians have been cheap labour for decades now (now its other Eastern Europeans or Jeets) doesnt help the relationship. Sweden is more succesful than Finland so we mostly think of what Sweden does, not what Estonia does.
>>216050306>see for example which would cause the least amount of disturbance at family christmas table if I brought a girl home. Estonian girl would be an easier choice then.why? how would a Swedish girl behave at a christmas dinner? would she come up with a feminist rant about how christmas is a patriarchal holiday invented by an ancient israeli man and let's remember about palestine?
>>216050313Are you some Russian guy or a native Pole with a strange vendetta against Finland?
>>216050356I was just talking more about linguistics and sort of "is this race mixing?" aspectI dont know if a Swedish girl would even want to learn Finnish but Estonian girl would learn it fast
>>216050347>Estonians have been cheap labour for decades now>doesnt help the relationshipwhy not? what's wrong with being a honest laborer? Germans are 'cheap labor' in Switzerland yet obviously Swiss do feel kinship with them>>216050358im just asking questions bro, im not against Finland in any way
>>216050306>this kind of housing exists in Sweden as wellIndeed. Wouldn't be orten without some miljonprogrammet commie blocks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrAMV-gPxLg
>>216050378>is this race mixingno way anyone still thinks a Finnish-Swedish couple is 'race mixing', you've been doing it for decades already, afaik there is no stigma against mixed couples anymore
>>216050306>this kind of housing exists in Sweden as well.i know yet apparently Finnish redditors try to deny reality (that's why it doesn't make sense to take them seriously)
>>216049737japan tried, in a way...
>>216050411even if it wouldnt cause issues with Swedish girls it would still be more distant relationship than with an Estonian girlalso I am pretty racist and so is my mom so I would be murdered if I brought a non-white girl at home. Especially if she wouldnt speak Finnish.
>>216050448How many personalities do you have on here?
>>216050381when you have construction industry with a lot of issues and issues with cheap labour it will cause some issues in perceptionIn Switzerland they dont like the whole EU migrant thing that well either and that causes them to want to limit the inflow. Even then, the Swiss are literally just Germans, French and Italians with some quirky features so its different.
>>216049266We tried that. Total D*nish Death.
>>216050460I am still the same person and I havent pretended otherwise
>>216050057we share a WHG mother with all of them. Estonians are most WHG in Europe.
we tried but Karl Knutsson & Gustav Vasa with help from Frederik I ruined it
>>216050542and do Estonians feel closer to Finns or to Latvians?
>>216050591
one thing I notice with Estonians and Finns that we totally sharewe have the same kind of English accent
>>216050608i asked about feelings, not objective data, this shit is not important to anyone but a bunch of eternally online autists like you and me
