>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldPrevious: >>216055586
God I love inputting. Reading Chekhov today and I feel like I’m walking on air. I don’t care if I have to look up 30 words a page this is what it’s about!!!
>>216138106It really is satisfying to read in your TL and understand even just a little of it. I'm excited for the day I can read a bunch without having to look up a ton of words! One day at a time.
We told you to use a coomer pic for the OP
>>216138746He could have pasted that message into the hot latinas image. Wasted opportunity.
This thread will die quickly and soon
i input with autistic korean women
>>216139618I would learn Korean for her, if she was real.
Learn Bulgarian
>>216140144Aдвoкaт У нe гoвopи бългapcки, нe ce пoдлъгвaйтe.
what are some games with german dubbing and subtitles i can play at around B1/b2? Preferably ones i can pause to mine words and phrases
>>216139832>tfw no cutie genius autist korean gf
kurwa ja pierdole
>>216140522baldurs gate, elder scrolls, planescape torment, the lion's song, fran bow, pillars of eternityplayed all of those in german and got from b1 to b2 that way
>>216136182he's just like me
Just finished reading the first chapter of Harry Potter in my TL and it was easy
>This thread is 6 hours old and only has 15 replies (16 if you include this one).Lust provoking image really is the key to a good thread. Let this one die and try again.
¿Dónde está el baño?
what's the most useless language with the most speakers?
>>216145288Hindi? Tamil?
There are no useless languages except for conlangs
>>216145649That's right
>>216145649Esperanto is useful in theory (apparently there are people who let travelers stay at their houses if they speak it).
PICK A NON ROMANCE LANGUAGE FOR ME TO LEARN :Germanic/slavic languages preferred. I began German but idk if it’s worth it ?
>>216146206Learn Czech with me
>>216146206Hungarian
>>216146261I love <3 will take 1000000 years though ahah !!! Is it even possible ?
>>216146537Yeah maybe in my dreams :(
>>216146114>apparently there are people who let travelers stay at their houses if they speak itReddit sex cult
>>216146537the time will pass anyway
>>216144115>>216138746Vulgar coomer pics aren't as effective either. The best would be charming women like in the last thread. Or like these Korean ones American anon posted
>>216146653this predates reddit though
>>216146658:( I need a teacher though. And no it’s never too late if you have the guts and dedication. And…. If you find yourself a good teacher/linguist
>>216146206Worth it to what?
Maybe we can compensate for the shit OP. It's not over.>>216146206Learn Mongolian
>>216146724If Dr Esperanto were alive today, he would be a Reddit admin.The only people who passionately care about Esperanto are redditors.
>>216147478This is Tibetan attire. She is from China, so learn Chinese :)
>>216147582Based oriental knower
>>216140522https://steamdb.info/instantsearch/?refinementList%5BlanguagesAudio%5D%5B0%5D=German
>>216147407Worth it for me (I like history and culture)
>>216140522stardew valley is pretty great at about that level
>>216148950>with german dubbing and subtitles>dubbing>stardew valleylol
Getting back into the groove of learning Spanish, could use some feedback on my pronunciation and what I've said and written: https://voca.ro/1cMVB8RGZzZ4¿Qué te gusta hacer para divertirte?Me gusta jugando los videojuegos, levantamiento de pesas, escuchando a música, y, ahora, estoy aprendiendo Español y la guitarra eléctrica
>>216146241Challenge accepted only if you’re 26 or near this age range, because if you’re younger you’ll beat me to it. Btw this language you can only do max A1/A2 but it’s Slavic and has irregular rules
>>216149949>Btw this language you can only do max A1/A2Why are you giving up so early?
>>216150021Because non Romance languages have tons of cases and exceptions (grammar rules). Czech itself is insane. Or maybe I’m just “scared” because when you begin you want to surpass yourself and go straight to grammar, but does it even matter when you start ? Oh and my library sucks, they only have native languages and those are Insanely difficult. Couldn’t find ONE book about other languages like German for example
>>216149877It sounds good but you use the gerund for the verbs when you should use the infinitive (jugar, levantar, escuchar), the question hints at that because it asks what you hacer not what you are haciendo (currently doing)
>>216150256Czech isn't insaneI'm retarded and I'm figuring it out so can you
>>216149949I'm at A2 alreadyBtw I'm 28
>>216150400Yeah I think you already beat me !!! 1-0. I thought you’d be a complete newbie
>>216149949You are so incredibly lame. Have more faith in yourself damn
>>216150761I'm at 5 months you can catch up and beat me to B2
>>216150777Yeah… for now though. Until I get a actual job in this stupid job market crash trust me, I’ll grind my way up
>>216150777My digits say you're all gonna make it, but only if you aren't an insecure wimp who won't try
>>216150930:(…I only have one life : “I can do it” “everything is possible” (kinda!)
>>216151323I believe in you
Should I learn French after I'm good enough at Spanish?
>>216151413Never learn French
>>216151470Why?
>>216151413<3 sale (whatever lang ur learning). If you grind, you can make it
>>216151614*same*
>>216138106honestly it is pretty awesome to pick up a book you struggled with and realize you are understanding.
>>216148520Which countries' cultures and history do you like?
>language reactor works for podcasts tooluv dis lil nigga like u wouldn't believe
>>216154117Good question … >< all except France/italy/spain I’d say
korean in a nutshell
>>216155181Unfathomably based.
>>216155181>except France/italy/spainSome of the best cultures and most interesting histories of nations.Anyway my propositions: Portuguese, Romanian, Cantonese Chinese, Swedish, Danish>>216154189It doesn't work on Crunchyroll and Amazon Prime (or at least it didn't), you have to log in with a Google account, you can't use email, which is strange.
>I will never be fluent enough to be fully conversational and understand movies without subtitlesWhat's the point bros?
>>216157577Language?
>>216157577The point is sexo with beautiful women in your TL.
>>216157577Listen harder
>>216156894Swedish … hmmmThe rest idk honestly
>>216157577I use subtitles on everything, even in English, because the sound mixing is usually garbage and it makes it impossible to understand what the actors are saying. Nothing to do with language comprehension itself lol.
what is the largest language that is declining?
>>216157577This is me with English
>>216158094In that case, Swedish. They read a lot, so there will be a lot of literature in Swedish and translated into Swedish. There was a Serbian anon here who was also learning Swedish
Im watching comprehensible input and focusing super hard on the subtitles and im always checking every word i dont know. its exhausting i wanna enjoy the vid
>>216158955Stop doing that and just try to understand what you hear
>>216149877Im am ESL (Español Segunda Lengua) and your pronunciation seems decent to me. Like colombiANO anon said, you generally wamt the infinitive form of the verb, if you arent certain. I hear Spanish native speakers make the opposite mistake in English all the time.
>>216157577They're a crutch, if you turn them off and listen without them you will adapt to it.
>>216155562Moment (时刻)and health (健康) are clearly from Chinese
>>216157577>>216159306Ya I try to avoid subtitle slop but I do like to have them in case I really cant understand something afger a couple listens (new word, weird accent, slang phrase)
how do you guys practice speaking?
>>216159081then i understand nothing
>>216159508We don't
>>216159589Then it's not comprehensible input. Is it a video made for language learners?
>>216159200no it is not it is fucking awful until he gets it right. stop trying to be polite at the cost of truth. you're not.the vowels never change, you are braindead retards.
>>216159638im exaggerating but its definitely a huge difference
>>216159783vete alv
Is it bad when they're speaking so fast i feel like I can't take all the words at once and I'm not looking at the subtitles but I still know what they're saying. dk how to explain, anyone else experience the same??
>>216159508I talk to myself and think in my TL whenever I can (after a couple years of exclusively inpoot gooning thoughbeit).
>>216158955Just watch it again.
>>216146658>the time will pass anywayits a fair impulse to hesitate. You can learn a lot of skills to employability for a 6 figure career in the time it will take you to learn a languagee.g takes 2000-3000 hours to learn japanese but only takes like 600 hours to become an HVAC tech
has anyone tried learning in this order?
>>216163010Probably not. Some of those languages (Hindi, Bengali) aren't worth learning period. Most people in this thread are learning either a romance language, germanic language, one of the three main east asian languages, or Russian.
i'm getting the feeling spanish has a trillion synonyms for each and every word, quite unpog from a learner's perspective if i do say so myself. also i started reading jane austen's emma in english because i found it on my shelf and i forgot how fartsniffy english prose can be. spellings like 'chuse' or 'shew' make me smile though
>>216163010Here are the exact languages I would be interested in.
How do you say>it do be like that, Mr. Stancilin your target language?
>>216138106how are you Kazakh but don't know Russian?
>>216159783>the vowels never change, you are braindead retards.What did he mean by this
>>216163746そんなものもある、スタンシルさん。>captcha: S00RY
>>216138106i think kazakhstan has changed a lot of the past decades to the point where like half the people there speak kazakh mainly and some or many don't know russian at all. i personally know one person like that, but he's from bumfuck nowhere so maybe that's the culprit and i'm projecting
>>216163957oops meant to reply to >>216163774i am stupid and worthless and i should live in salt till the end of all days. fuck my stupid nigger life..
>>216163982don't be so hard on yourself
>>216163746è proprio così, Sig. Stancil
>>216136182Spanish really spoiled me with the wide variety of resources available. I've been looking at resources for learning Russian and it's absolutely dire.
It's crazy how much being even a little distracted or sleep deprived affects my Anki reps. It's a miracle humans can consistently learn anything resembling language at all.
>>21616438584.2% at 3am this is achieved by means of electroconvulsive shock therarpy, sending painful volleys of electric current through your bones whenever you give a wrong answer. i also do waterboarding between reps to keep my spirit high.
>>216164466>ankijust fucking read
It seems like no matter what vocab / conjugations I learn, I forget after 1 day. Maybe its because I havent moved on from the Duolingo / language apps phase. But Im not sure how to move on from that stage. Do I just grind Anki?I feel like the apps arent helping me much because I can just look at how long a word is, or just one letter I know is in the word, and I can I just choose that. I cant really spell this shit out myself. Duolingo word banks arent helpful. I should be forced to type out the answers
>>216164837i read everyday, those two things are not even the same category, they achieve separate things
>>216165025I love using memorization to learn. Things like Anki (or Quizlet, kek. I actually pay for their "Learn" tool when I need to cram and memorize test banks for exams I've procrastinated studying for) will definitely help with that, and there's a function to type your answers as well. I think studying before bed is also really helpful and feels like it makes it all stick.
why had it never occured to me that you can just create a new profile on youtube on the same account while your location is set to TL's country so you can tailor your recommendations to just that language
>>216165184didn't google make this nearly impossible though
>>216165212how do you mean? i click on nothing else but TL videos and there is nothing in my feed in any other language. i guess if someday there is something there, i will have to manually ban the channel from recommendations or write a script that checks the title for language if you mean google the search engine, i don't use it
>>216164837reading does not have the benefits anki does
>>216165285it always eventually reverts back to my native language, i mean. i guess it's because the "main" youtube profile is in my native language? i'm also using chrome as my browser so i guess that affects it, too
>>216165184I do that for X but not youtube since I'd lose my premium
>>216165339i think it might be based on your IP address. but basically, youtube has an option for both language and location, and location is the important one. it tends to reset itself from time to time (maybe a cookie expired or it's purposely doing this, no clue) >>216165369what do you need premium for
>>216165433>what do you need premium foryoutube music my main music service, no ads, and can listen on my phone>he has an iphoneI got it for free, its a hand me down cause Im poor>technically you can avoid ads and still have background play with this 3rd party appdont care. i like things simple and easy
>>216165295>ankilife is too short to be doing anki. if you're reading or watching good content you're feeding your brain ideas and stimulation. anki is just deprivation
I went back and watched a video I couldn't understand too well in the past and now I can understand it
>>216165566>I got it for free, its a hand me down cause Im poori bought mine because i like it and although i use linux and never windows, i cannot even being to pretend i like android in any given way plus it's ugly and life is too short to not like pretty things... >dont care. i like things simple and easyhence iphone with no google apps on it i don't really care what people use because luckily i'm me, was just curious why
>>216165603Ah I see. Ive just had to defend why I have premium to autists too much. Youtube Music/No Ads/Background Listening on my iPhone, makes it worth it. But people tell me a million workarounds, like bro I dont care. Im not using some janky glitchy 3rd party youtube app so I can avoid ads. Plus I already use youtube music which is included
watch a video of a french broad talking about quebecois to see if it is understandable first one some chick in montreal got itsecond some dude also in montreal understandable third old dude from îles-de-la-madeleine understand 0%
>>216165755[...] le hamburger pédophile [...]https://files.catbox.moe/kyf20b.mp4
>>216165755>>216165831this is what they all sound to me. in case you're wondering:>Et oui, le 7 décembre 2020, le hamburger, m'a dire comme les jeunes calisse de mineur mangeux d'marde de tabarnak fini, le hamburger PÉDOPHILE, ayaya, YEEEEEEEEEEEEOUUU, aller donc manger de la marde gang de calisse, maudit ma m'calisser a lumière ma gang de tabarnak de mangeux d'marde de jeunes calisse de tabarnak.
>>216165886On s'en calisse
>>216165575Anki is the most time-efficient method of study, that barely takes any time. In fact you will save time by using it because it's so much more of an efficient way to learn. There is no opportunity cost to using anki, only one for not using it.
>>216166185ive got 600 hours in anki in my tl, have not found it to be especially time-efficient. ive found input with word-lookup to work much betterwords are very context-sensitive and acquisition of words is very emotion/sensation driven, so meaning is usually more apparent from interesting material than it is from a flash card and the word usually sticks better when its encountered via something youre interested in
esperanto would have taken off if it had a finno-ugric style case system. as it is, it's too similar to the romance languages.
>>216166375>word-lookupNot that anon, but tell me more of your method. Im trying to use Anki but Im having that issue. I need some emotional connection. Should I just start with any song / show / book and just translate literally everything?
>>216163746そうです、スタンチールさん
>>216166483i just have language reactor & mate translate add-ons installed for word lookup. Or if its not on the computer I just type words into google translate on my phone. I don't look up every word, I use it as much or as little as I feel like/need to depending on the contentEvery language I've been interested in was because of its music, so I always start with learning songs and then move on to other material
>>216167094>language reactor & mate translate add-ons installed for word lookupHm okay. I guess step one is looking into these. Thanks
>>216166483That first guy is making it sound like you can only use Anki with premade decks, but its best to combine Anki + input. I learned a lot of vocab and grammar in my TL by listening to a song over and over, looking up the vocab and grammar, then making them into Anki cards with the full sentence on the back to remind me of the context.
>>216167266i never did it but sentence mining from content you are watching seems like a good system
feel that the difference between /t/ and /d/ is more a velar pulling thing than vocal cord thing.
>>216167417Yea. The way I did it is to start with a premade deck of the most common words and then make my own from my input material. This is what the back of many of my sentence-mined cards look like for JP, and the front just has the word, and I plan to do it with French next. It should work for any language.
>>216168095Or like this. Depending on the word it might have multiple definitions.
have you ever thought about how those strips out of melanocyte in zebras don't develop skin cancer on them
>>216162438You don't need to have any predisposition to learn languages, and you've already done it once. Technical skills require a different way of thinking.
>>216168261all cancers originate (psychosomatically) from psychically held tensions if not from diet or environmentzebras don't have stress
>>216168095>>216168144adding a screenshot of the scene you mined the word from is a very cute idea
the horror that people actually pay for quizlet when anki exists
I generally like simplified characters but the absolute worst decision they made was simplifying 火火 on the top of characters to 艹營 -> 营 瑩 -> 莹熒 -> 荧 all of these are related to fire or light, sparkling etc and they simplified all of them to 艹
>>216145288esperanto, its used no where does your tl have 'que tengo que hacer' and other such greatest hits
challenge: /lang/ editioneasy :I read /lang/ everyday.I am learning *target language*It's really fun!medium:I like talking to people about *target language*, and reading about other languages.The languages of the world are truly fascinating.*target language* is hard, but learning it is rewarding.hard:In every thread, people debate the best way to learn a language.Everyone has their own preferred method, which they've refined over years of study.Even though people can get very heated, we're still friends in the end.
>>216170464مەن ھەممە كۈندە لاڭنى ئوقۇيمەنمەن ئۇيغۇرچەنى ئۆگىنىۋاتىمەنبەك قىزىقارلىق ئىكەنمەن باشقا ئادەملەر بىلەن ئۇيغۇرچەنى ھەققىدە ۋە باشقا تىللار ئوقۇشنى ھەققىدە پاراڭ قىلىمەندۇنيانىڭ تىللىرى ھەقىقىي قىزىقارلىقئۇيغۇرچە ئۆگىنىشنى بەك تەس، ئەمما پايدىلىق ئىكەن每条线里,人热烈争论最好学外语的方法和窍门各人有自己所度过好几年学习琢磨成玉而喜欢的方式虽然争论偶尔过于激烈,归根到底我们都是兄弟
I watched that documentary about the Japanese killing all the dolphins at the cove, and I suddenly don't want to learn Japanese anymore.
>>216171408How else are you going to properly curse them out?
>>216170464Čtu /lang/ každý denUčím se českýJe velmi zábavnéMám rád se povídám o čeština s lidi a čtu o ostatní jazykyJazyky světa jsou opravdu fascinujícíČeština je tvrdé ale je učit je hodnotnýNot even gonna try the hard ones
>>216171408Good. Dolphins are the pakistani rapist of the ocean.
>>216170464mi satas paroli al homoj pri 'reggaeton' kaj legas pri alia lingvojla lingvo de la mundo estas vere fascina, cela lingvo estas malfacila, sed lernu gi estas 'rekompenca',no bueno gramatica, sin embargo,me gusta hablar con gente sobre 'toki pona' y leer sobre otras idiomas
>>216169322they have UV radiation instead
>>216172120>2004everywhere is lavender now
easy :Mi read /lang/ everyday.Mi a laan *target language*It really fun!medium:Mi laik taak tu piipl bout *target langwij*, an riid bout ada langwij.Di langwij dem a di worl riili fascinating.*target language* is hard, but learning it is rewarding.haad:Ina evri thread, piipl a debate di bes wie fi laan a langwij.Everybody have dem own preferred method, weh dem refine ova years a study.Even though people can get very heated, wi still fren inna di end.
>>216171797Actually I'll just pretend thread is a Czech word and butcher the rest no one's gonna careV každém threadem diskutují nejlepší metoda se učit jazykVšech mají raději svou vlastní metoda, kterou rafinuje během roky na studovatI když mohou dostat velký vytápění, nakonec jsou stále přítele
>>216171116buenas cosas de chinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46_-U2jYgbw
What could you achieve with a decade of duo?
>>216172995It's like the opposite of DLI courses
>>216157659Well I'm almost conversational in quite a few languages, and still can't understand most media in any of them.I guess a language I'm focusing on right now is hindi, the problem is I don't really know how to progress beyond a certain point. I'm just spinning my wheels not making much progress if I just keep inputting a few words of vocab every day, and I feel like I don't actually learn anything from listening, I just get demoralised at the fact I can't understand anything.>>216158010>>216159306How?
>>216173179If you can't understand media how can you understand conversations?
>>216173301I can speak fine so that people can understand, and it depends on the exacts for listening. If a person is talking directly to me clearly, then I've got a much better chance of understanding them than a fast-pased dialogue in a movie. And a lot of the time with movies, I can understand basically every individual word they say but then still struggle to understand the meaning of the sentence. Its really weird I think its just all happening to fast for my brain to keep up.
>>216173568Sounds like you just need more practice listening either way
>>216173301They clearly mean textbook ABAB short convos
I'm learning Romanian because I like it and no other reason.
>>216174862Based hobby enjoyer
>>216174862But anon how is it going to make you momey
>>216170464>easyя читaю /lang/ кaждый дeнь.я yчy pyccкий (язык).этo oчeнь вeceлo!>mediumмнe нpaвитcя тo, чтo гoвopю c людми o pyccкoм языкe и читaю o дpyгих языкaх.языки миpa peaльнo yвлeкaтeльны.pass>hardв кaждoм тpeдe люди диcкyтиpyют o кaкoм мeтoдикe изyчeния языкa являeтcя лyчшим.passpass
>>216174984True. It's just the cool aesthetic for me, and the Romanian people are always friendly. Seems like a very underrated country to visit.>>216175167I will probably lose money for this because I plan on visiting Romania soon and the flight is going to be extremely expensive.
>>216175167NGMI
>>216175237What if someone is emotionally attached and driven by the desire to make money?
>>216175307>not being born richNGMI
>>216175307Like a prostitute sucking cock, language learning in this situation would be nothing but a means to an end
>>216175365
>>216175415But language also allows you to do other things, it develops and makes opportunities in many directions, so if anything, the equivalent of learning languages would be to be some kind of high-class escort not a regular cocksucker
Nothing wrong with sucking some cock.
>>216176340Do you suck cock in your TL?
Just learnt Vietnam eats 5 million dogs a year. I no longer want to learn Vietnamese...
>>216176592Lernu esperanton
>>216176691Reddit language. I learnt Chinese because they have never done anything wrong.
>>216176723based. where i'm from we hail china nigga
>>216175307The only real money in this hobby is scamming normie casuals with your courses once you attain mythical polyglot status on social media.
>>216179043I'm about to lob $67 to one of your kind for his course because he seems to have a kind soulhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BNi1lftUtI
>>216175307If you want to make money off languages you're going to need to go into programming and come up with the next big idea. Otherwise just do it as a fun hobby, unless you're specifically planning to move somewhere and have to learn the local language as a necessity.
>>216167266I don't think anyone who recommends anki means that you should only ever do anki and nothing else ever. Input is always implied.
>>216179455Thanks, now I'm hungry :(
>>216175307Then they wouldn't be learning a language. It's a terrible payoff for how much time and effort it takes, not to mention 90% of language related jobs are about to be made redundant by AI.
>>216155562lmao
>>216179690иди кyпи бypeк ca мecoм!
>>216175693There's a reason why only nobility used to study foreign languages, the common folk need not think or expose themselves to knowledge.
this weekend im going to learn ossetian
>>216181139Have fun, anon! How are you going to study it?
>>216179869안전띠를매지않으셨습니다만안전 - safety띠 - belt를 - object marker매 - fasten지 - not않 - negation verb으시 - honorific었 - past tense습니다 - formal polite/deferential ending만 - but/howeverall one word
>>216182102>안전띠安全带
>>216158124zoom zoom
>>216179043No way, there must be some money in international trade or something. Or there is some busines idea that exists in one country and not in another and is waiting to be copied, idk>>216179848Working with language is not just about translation, AI will not replace contacts with customers, for example >>216179461Migration is actually also an option
>>216179848>>216182816yeah the career value of learning a language is to work in business or logistics or something not translation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcaicam_EsperantomEsperanto if it had SOVLPatrom nosam, cuyu estas in Chielom,Estu sanctiguitam Tuam Nomom.Wenu Tuam Regnom,Plenumizzu Tuam Wolom,Cuyel in Chielom, ityel anquez sobrez Terom.Nosid donu hodiez Panon nosan cheyutagan,Ed nosid pardonu nosayn Pecoyn,Cuyel anquez nos ityuyd cuyuy contrez nos pecait pardonaims.Ed nosin ned conducu in Tentod,Sed nosin liberigu ex Malbonom.Amen.
Translating shit is harder than just spontaneously coming up with whatever you want to say. Seriously.
>>216170464καθ' ἡμέρην τὸ /λαγγ/ ἀναγιγνώσκωμανθάνω τὴν παλαιὴν Ἰάδαπάνυ γε τερπνόν!ἀρέσκει μοι περὶ τῆς Ἰαδὸς διαλέγεσθαι καὶ περὶ ἀλλῶν γλωσσῶν ἀναγιγνώσκειναἱ τῆς οἰκευμένης γλῶσσαι ἀληθέως θωμασταίἡ Ἰὰς τἀσκηθῆναι χαλεπὴ ἀλλ' ἡδεῖαπᾶν κάτα νῆμα σκοπεῦντ' αἱ μέθοδοι ἐς γλώσσας μανθάνειν ἄρισταιπᾶς ἔχει φιλτάτην μέθοδον κεκοσμημένην διὰ τὸ πολλῶν ἐτέων μανθάνεινκεἰ πολλάκις ὑπερφυῶς ἐρεθίζομεν τέλος δ' αἰεὶ φίλοι χωρεῦμεν
>>216186323You don't have to convince me, everyone who's learned a second language knows that
>>216171797>>216172233I'm not Czech but you really need to work on your cases>o češtinao češtině>s lidis lidmi>o ostatní jazykyo ostatních jazycích>Mám rád se povídámRád si povídám(mít is used with rád if the liked thing is a noun)>Čeština je tvrdéČeština je těžká(tvrdý is hard in the sense of not soft)and I don't know enough to be able to say the rest of this sentence
>>216158157Probably Russian, actually, since central asia and eastern European over the last few decades and today are trying to distance themselves from it in favor of indigenous languages somewhat
>>216183652Yep. That's why German is probably the best for me. French and Spanish seem to be popular in international trade, BPO, and customer service too. Possibly Chinese. Maybe Scandinavian languages? We have been strengthening our cooperation recently. The Netherlands has its own people who speak English and other languages well, but they will always prefer their ownPortuguese and Italian seem to me to be underdogs; I don't understand why no one talks about the demand for these languages. Half of South America speaks Portuguese, the largest industry in Europe is Italian, and everyone talks about Spanish, German, and sometimes French>>216187248All in all, it's more understandable for a Pole now.Ostatni means other in Czech but the last in Polish. The last in Czech is posledni which is like Polish pośledni which means inferior and inferior in Czech is nižší which means lower in Polish. Lower in Czech is spodni which means trousers / pants in Polish and pants in Czech are kalhoty which is similar to Polish galoty which means underwear. Funny. I will definitely dabble in Czech or Slovak some day in the future
>>216171408t. dolphin
for several years now i have used chatgpt to make misleading posts about usefulness and economic opportunity in reference to language learning in this thread now, and it's nice to see my hard work bears fruit. you are my little goblin army of retardbrained failures :3
>>216188190no you didn't
>>216187896it seems like that czech is west slavic in all but lexicon, where it aligns much more with east slavic. is czech just the ultimate dead center of slavic languages?
>>216188190Only thirdies learn languages for economic reasons. I choose the languages that either unlock the most interesting media or are the most rewarding to learn.
>>216188244>in all but lexicon, where it aligns much more with east slavicWhat? No. All of the words mentioned are West Slavic I think, but I find it amusing that I've discovered a rabbit hole of false friends, of which there are many between our languages.
>>216188409Money, women, and prestige are the only reasons people study something seriously. >inb4 passionPassion burns out if you lack even a minimum of these things. And if you have all of that, you rarely devote yourself to anything wholeheartedly. I just came up with that, I'm not really sure yet.
>>216188456nono i put it badly. of course those words exist in all those languages, but their meanings are more similar to those of the same words in russian, for example. ostatni i don't think exists in russian, but in ukrainian, as ocтaннiй (picrel) and means the same. posledni -> пocлeдний, means the samenižší -> низший / нижe, these ones are more like in polish, also means lower spodni -> cпiднiй in ukrainian, also means lower (or worse) kalhoty i think is a foreign word what i mean is just that the meanings remind me of east slavic words more, polish tends to use them differently. i noticed this a while back already, everytime i think i understand something in polish, it turns out one or two words mean something either slightly or completely different than in russian or ukrainian
>>216188238>>216188409if you are in disbelief, just check this post >>216188570i'm telling you, my propaganda is very effective
>>216188824What propaganda? To learn German?
>>216188848to turn people into passionless depressed messes who chase imaginary economic opportunity or truckloads of foreign women who will Literally Love Them So Much. i find it very delightful to see such delusions unfold in the weak spirited
Thoughts on learning Icelandic?
>>216188944difficult because of the lack of virtually everything but if you like germanic grammar, it's very comfy on the internet they seem to be well hidden, or speaking english (or a scandinavian language)
I'm learning languages because I think it's coolIt's mostly for ego reasons I guess
>>216188824I meant that I don't believe that you are responsible for that. Post chat gpt logs
>>216189213i don't have an account
>>216188902People learn the strangest things here, it doesn't work. And learning the language of the country you want to emigrate to or work in the language of nation you like is not a stupid idea, considering how much time we devote to work. Rich countries and languages spoken by large numbers of people usually also mean a wealth of content, history, culture, people, and social circles to hook up to. If you are passionate about one language, you simply learn it instead of talking here about your choice; if you are passionate about several, you have to add reasons to reject some of them. >Bonus story:I know like 5 french sentences and have some weak ass A1 Italian, so I said that in Italian something is like this, but in French it's like that and I recently impressed three women and pissed off a guy. You don't need to know languages, you just need to give that impression. It's also funny how controversial French is>>216189163money, women, prestige, It's still in that category.
>>216187248Thanks I knew it would be bad I'm an input gooner
>>216189345>learning the language of the country you want to emigrate to or work in the language of nation you like is not a stupid ideafor sure, but what if i just don't want to emigrate? >People learn the strangest things here, it doesn't workit's worked for me. i use my TL daily for fun online, and that's about it. don't see how that's supposed to be bad >Rich countries and languages spoken by large numbers of peoplewhat if i simply don't care about them?
i can't think of a single common ethnic slur for jews in german ("hakennase" - "hooknose" works but i never heard someone say it), but there is one for italians i hear people jokingly use sometimes. kind of odd
>>216189409>what if i just don't want to emigrate? >what if i simply don't care about them?I've already answered: >If you are passionate about one language, you simply learn it instead of talking here about your choice
>>216189345Gives me dopamine too
>>216189486how come you specifically keep talking about this topic daily as if anybody would change their mind because of what you think they should learn? i don't care either way, i'm just a bit amazed by your sustenance to keep doing this for no reason
personally i learn for racism purposes. there is nothing better than telling someone what you think of them in their mother tongue.
Can latin americans evern hear the difference between "b" and "v"? Is there a difference? Because I cant fucking hear one so now I don't even know how to pronounce it myself.
>>216189553Everyday? Most of this is theoretical deliberation and I'm interested in other anons' opinions, and the rest of the internet is just cope pasted articles or people repeating them>>216189674As I know: no. but it is not pronounced like the American b or v
>>216151470What's wrong with French? You fell for the memes or something?
>>216189588Same. I'd like to learn Spain's Spanish and talk down to her colonies.
what do you do once you are fluent?
>>216192481Enjoy all the money and female attention?
Need hot Latina spanish CI reccs
>>216192561So be it
>>216192561Are you at that point yet?
>>216189946i regret learning what amount of french i did learn. it's like having an infestation inside my brain that I can never get rid of. I hope to get a brain injury that selectively removes french
Redpill me on Portuguese. From a somewhat niche and declining language, it seems to be gaining popularity. Why? Is it phonk, an easy language for Spanish speakers to learn next or something else?
>>216192481>play obscure VNs and vidya>SHOCK the natives>conduct espionage
>>216188944it's one of the languages of all time
>>216192853No.
I learn languages because then I can tell myself I'm doing something productive by watching anime all day
>>216193003i heard they found mosquitos in iceland. ain't that some shit? quite fucked mate
>>216193003How good are the Icelandic Sagas in the original language?
>>216193198Same
hey russianon who hates his language, praises english, can never decide which accent to imitatehow do you feel about other slavic languages, especially polish?
>>216193251yea cold resistant ones, proper fucked>>216193459they should only be read in the original language, simple as
>>216194036>they should only be read in the original language, simple asI'll make it a goal.
>>216194142I'll die for you nigga
ESLs, what American accent is the hardest for you to understand?
WARNINGCompanies are AI generating nonsensical learner material for endangered languages.Wikipedia is hurting small languages, especially in regards to AI.The Greenlandic Wikipedia is being shut down because dumb kids with Google Translate have poisoned the language so badly.>>216192561Yeah but what if you are gay though
What happens when you get fluent is that once you reach that goal you lose all sense of purpose in realizing that you are at the end of your journey. You start looking back at those magical moments encountering new words and grammatical concepts, and the hours you spent gooning to lily. Life to you now as you are fluent in your TL is that you feel the language is no longer that enchanted foreign land you were so attracted to, and the attention from the native speakers slowly dwindles and you just become another face in the crowd. You start wondering if it was ever all worth it or if you have any value left to give. Maybe the fruit of the labor is the journey itself and not the destination.Stay determined my A2 and dabbler kings, jordanon was right all along.
>>216194902Umm well im trying to fuck bitches so the destination is definitely going to be better than the journey
>>216194902Blending in with natives was the point. My end goal was to literally become a Pole. If I'm impressing them, I'm doing it wrong...
>>216194962YWNBAP
>>216195101They have coined this phrase already in Polish on /polska/: "NNBP"
>>216194902>jordanon was right all alonglol where is he
>>216195271picking a language
>>216194187i think none of them are very difficult per se (there is not nearly as much fluctuation as between the accents of great britain, and people are generally more used to hearing american english online), but there are a few instances where a combination of demographics and location creates speech that's hard to make out. there is this meme video about baltimore accent of black people and i have a feeling if i heard someone talk like that to me, i would likely struggle to understandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esl_wOQDUeEalso i don't think old people from hillbilly villages don't really count so much, those are difficult to understand in any language anywhere in the world.
If the rain turns off my power I'm quitting language learning forever.
>>216195510>first world country
If I do DS is it going to fuck me up switching back and forth with the guides with their different dialects?
>>216195704defaq is a DSdown syndrome?
>>216195704Nope
>>216195807LolI think its darude sandstorm
>>216195807>>216195822>>216195848Dark Souls. No Dreaming Spanish what the hell lol
>>216195704I watch them all to get used to them and not cringe when I hear them, but I also try to have lang parents with my desired accent that have a ton of content like audiobook series or podcasts
>>216193872I'd pay to hear him talk without mumbling
must...keep...going
>>216198169you learnin korean for she?
>>216192959it's le exotic latino language and sounds much better than spanish
>>216192959>somewhat niche and declining languageBrazil has about twice the population of Japan and is the 5th largest country in the world
>>216198976but sadly, they are not japan, thus I do not care
>>216192959If you need to escape from the Northern Hemisphere, it's an option.
>>216193459I love reading Icelandic sagas in Old Icelandic and I think it's far better than reading it in translation, idk why but the vocabulary is awesome and it's very rewarding reading the language The english translation is functional but very generic I recommend you start with Old Icelandic : an introductory course by Sigrid Valfells and James E. CatheyI'm currently reading Auðunar þáttr vestfirzka, it's about a man who buys a bear in order to give it to the Danish king
>>216201360Also you should read them in translation firstIf you like them in translation, you will probably like them more in the originalIf you don't then learning Old Icelandic won't do much for you
>>216198778It's sounds weird but in a positive way. But Spanish isn't as ugly as people say >>216198976Yes, but linguistically and culturally, it's always been somewhat isolated. They even eliminated Portuguese course in high schools, even though I think it used to be possible alongside Spanish and other languages. Even Italian, a much smaller language, is probably more popular to learn. Portuguese is in a strange place because it's big, but not that big, and doesn't have the cultural clout of some smaller languages>>216201009Starting a new life is also an option
>>216188409Pussy is the biggest driving factor in learning a language. All other reasons are copes to hide this factI will sexo women in my TL.
>>216201757Money and prestige lead to women.
>>216194187souf
हर ipa : /ɦəːr/is a quantitaive determiner""आपको एक दिन में कितना घी चाहिए?"
>>216194935To think that some people are actually so pathetic that they unironically think like this
>>216204594They're in this very thread
>>216188902Truly one of the greatest posters here>>216189345>moneyThere's dozens of other skills that take less time and effort and provide far more value. There's no money in languages>womenAssuming you still give a shit about modern foids (grow up), the same things that stop your incel ass from getting laid in your NL are the same things that would stop you incel ass getting laid in your TL (in fact, it'll be worse in your TL)>prestigeNo one cares anymore. Everyone has tried and failed duolingo and the prestige/mystery of languages has died. Even youtube language channels are dying.Choose a different hobby
>>216204948holy based
Just ordered Wheelock's Latin
Pros and cons :1) German 2) čestina For example, thanks
>>216205366They're both cool
>>216205274take the llpsipill: https://archive.org/details/familia-romana
>>216205407True, I just don’t know which one to Start first though
I am going to Renfrew County to meet with the notable exclave of Kashubian speakers. I will do "field research" including observing differences between Standard Kashubian and Canadian Kashubian. Any advice?
>>216205366Cons:>Hochdeutsch has 4 cases>čestina has 7 casesIt's probably +3 years of total immersion to consistently stop messing this up buddy, cases are the great filters
>>216205857:/ yeah… Czech grammar looks like a horror show. Especially if you don’t live in the country, like good luck probably
>>216205857>>216206218You don't need to be perfect to enjoy the languageMore cases isn't bad it means there's more of the language for you to learnYou are doing this because you like it right?
>>216206528Hmm, that’s actually true. You just get way more German resources than the later (I mean obviously). Learning the cases will take ages but that’s normal, I get it. Just conjugating numbers is so new to me. Yes learning a language is my new goal now so I am motivated, but at the same time, I feel a bit intimidated at times. That’s what happens when you’re new at this hobby (overwhelmed). I only have one life so at the same time…
>>216206929Learning a language takes a long time no matter which you pick, that's why you should pick the one that interests you mostDoesn't matter that language A would take only 2 years to learn instead of 3 if you burn out and drop it after the first year
>>216205524I hope you find some. When I visited last decade I didn't hear any Kashubian, just normal Polish among over-40s and broken English-accented Polish from their children.
>>216207204Grim.
>>216192959>>216201555It can be a niche language, but it was never really in decline. It is actually one of the fastest growing languages and has a considerable number of native speakers in pretty much every continent, gaining official status in many important institutions which helped boost its statusThe problem with it however is that it's pretty irrelevant in Europe, since Portugal is a fairly small country compared to Italy, which despite having many fewer speakers, has a lot more weight in Europe, and since language learning is usually more of a westoid thing it can explain it being more popular
>>2162070092/3 years : yeah if you have 5 hours to study it :/ minimum 10 if it’s self study, less if you live with a teacher. Learning a instrument is considered less difficult to learn as an adult than a language
>>216208072The time will pass anyway>listen to TL while working, driving>do flashcards on the toilet and during breaks>read/watch news, TV shows, play games in your TLThen add a few hours of active study a week wherever it fits
>>216208072>yeah if you have 5 hours to study it :/ minimum 10 if it’s self studyLol. Are you a retard or are you just one of those people who likes to critise peoples' hobbies while talking like an expert on it even though you've never actually done it yourself?
The main thing putting me off from German and doing French first isn't even the grammar. I've dabbled a little in both languages and was starting to understand the dative case. The main thing is that some German words look so foreign and different from the English words, unlike French. Even the French words that are different from English still feel somewhat familiar compared to German
>>216172995I used duolingo for two years/18 months on/off for German. Can confirm I can only speak German at the most basic level of understanding.
>>216205857ime cases aren't as hard as you'd think they'd be.
>>216208382I’ll never criticize language learning, it’s the best hobby. It’s just overwhelming when you’re new that’s why
>10 hours of duolingo per day
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