In the first half of the 1800s, Northern Italy was very poor, especially in the northeast and mountain regions. This poverty caused mass emigration, mostly to South America, France, and Switzerland. The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies/Naples was still by far the richest country on the peninsula and one of the richest in the world, even though the French occupation at the beginning of the century and the 1848 revolts had weakened it. There were virtually no emigrants from the South.The British Empire had occupied and annexed Malta from the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies during the Napoleonic Wars and continued to keep it, but it wasn't enough: they wanted to control the whole island of Sicily. The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies had the largest military and commercial navy in the entire Mediterranean, and it was seen as a potential threat to British control of the sea lanes that went to India through the Mediterranean. The kings of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies pursued policies of strict neutrality, no alliances, and no external interference in other countries' affairs. They saw their country as an "island": "My country is surrounded by sea water on three sides and by holy water on the other" (meaning the Papal States, of which the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was by far the strictest ally, being the most Catholic country in the world).The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies always resisted repeated British advances to become a sort of Portugal-style protectorate, and this sealed its fate.
>>216417807A massive anti-Duosicilian propaganda campaign started from England, depicting the kingdom as poor, corrupted, and a place where people lived like animals under the control of priests, monks, and medieval superstition. Protestant anti-Catholic propaganda was widely spread during this period. Their ally was Piedmont, a country ruled by a dynasty with strong links to international masonry and anti-religious sentiments. Turin, their capital, is still considered a vertex of both the white magic triangle (with Lyon and Prague) and the black magic triangle (with London and San Francisco). The head of the international masonry, sitting in London, was a certain Piedmontese called Mazzini (whom those of you that are familiar with Italian "unification" know). The Piedmontese were so deep into masonry and anti-clerical policies that their dynasty even got excommunicated by the Pope (the excommunication was never removed, even to this day).Piedmont was a country that was split between a French-speaking and an Italian-speaking part. The Savoy, a French dynasty that spoke French and didn't know Italian, decided to focus their expansionist goals on the Italian peninsula (which was the only part where they could realistically expand). Therefore, they decided to ally with France, ruled by Napoleon III. Napoleon III was a member of the Carbonari secret society in his youth, and this affiliation significantly influenced his foreign policy towards Italy, culminating in his involvement in the Italian Wars of Independence. The secret society, active in fighting for Italian unity, independence, and the establishment of liberal regimes, had been founded by Jacobins some decades before and was very strong in Piedmont.
>>216417821When Napoleon III was younger, in 1831, he participated with his brother in the revolutionary uprisings in the Papal States, fighting against the Papal and Austrian troops. When he managed to become Emperor of France, all of this seemed to be part of a forgotten past, but the Carbonari considered him a traitor for not pursuing the objectives of the society now that he had a position of power. So the Carbonari, ruled by Mazzini from London, organized an assassination attempt on his life by the Carbonari member Felice Orsini in 1858. He threw three grenades at Napoleon's carriage. The attack caused a massacre, with 8 dead and 156 wounded, but Napoleon III was protected by the carriage, which had been providentially armored by the manufacturer with steel plates, and therefore remained unharmed, as did the Empress Eugenie, even though she was thrown onto the pavement and completely covered in the blood of the victims. There was a trial, and Orsini was sentenced to death.Before his execution, Orsini wrote letters urging Napoleon III to intervene on behalf of Italy ("Until Italy is independent, the tranquility of Europe and yours will be nothing but a chimera."). The event and the threats shook the emperor and spurred him to take concrete action: he allied with the Prime Minister of Piedmont, the Freemason Cavour, and they secretly met to organize a war against Austria-Hungary, which controlled Northern Italy at the time. Piedmont would annex Northern Italy, and in exchange, it would give Savoy and Nice to France, and the Carbonari would no longer pose a threat to Napoleon's safety. This happened; Austria-Hungary was defeated, and Piedmont was in control of Northern Italy.
>>216417857Now Britain feared the presence of a Piedmont/Italy that was too linked to France and was becoming too strong, and therefore decided to help them too in order to bring them more to the British side, by helping them invade its "rival" in the Mediterranean, the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and the Papal States (invading the latter would have caused friction with France, which historically defended them).Piedmont had a huge debt from its previous wars of expansion and from the unhealthy policies of the House of Savoy, while the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies had more than two times the gold of the other pre-unification states combined, plus it still used gold coins.Britain therefore unleashed a new wave of anti-Duosicilian propaganda and financed Piedmont/Italy in order to invade. They also played a huge role with their warships protecting weak ships from Piedmont against the much stronger Duosicilian military marine, allowing Piedmontese forces to disembark in Sicily and Calabria. They also worked hard to bribe and corrupt Neapolitan officers. Piedmontese leaders, who had no official reason to invade and did not want to declare war on the Papal States and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies because of fear of popular revolt of the Catholic masses, resorted to a fake invasion, similar to the Crimean invasion of Russia in recent times, using as leader of the insurrection Garibaldi, a criminal and the right-hand man of Mazzini.
>>216417887The post-unification period saw a severe civil war in the South (referred to as the fight against "brigandage" in official history), a brutal suppression, even a genocide, of the southern people and their resistance to the new centralized rule imposed from Turin. For every Piedmontese soldier who was killed by so-called "brigands", the Piedmontese army used to take revenge on the common population where that happened; many villages were razed to the ground and the whole population killed, leading many common peasants to join the "brigands". The civil war lasted more than 10 years and resulted in at least 250,000 deaths. The economic policies implemented by the new Italian state deliberately underdeveloped the South to favor northern industrialization. This created the macro-regional divide that persists today.The results of all of this (and more) were huge emigration from Southern Italy, mainly to the USA and the rest of the Americas and also to Northern Italy, while emigration from the North was almost irrelevant (the opposite of the pre-invasion period).Also the Mafia was created during the Italian unification when: The collapse of the Bourbon monarchy left a power vacuum in Southern Italy. The new Piedmontese authorities allied with local strongmen and criminal elements to maintain control and suppress resistance (who were ironically called "brigands"). This collaboration formalized organized crime as an unofficial tool of the state to manage a hostile and exploited population. The South's economy was deliberately underdeveloped, creating systemic conditions for the Mafia to flourish and for people to turn to local strongmen for "protection" for decades to come.
Lmao neomerdonico cope and lies
good threadhttps://youtu.be/spiyHewugLo?t=58m50s
>>216418107>liesfind me a ingle lieAlso I forgot to mention that as a consequence of the invasion, the pope excommunicated the whole State of Italy ( not only the Savoy that already were) and forbade catholics to take part in any form in politics of the new country, under penalty of excommunication ( this means if you voted you wer automcaticlaly excommuncated)
my ancestors shooting polentoni bastardshttps://youtu.be/A-qYoHQNZcM
>>216418224what an anglo piece of shit>>216417807based threadhttps://youtu.be/c1h5Lmu7nRg
>>216417807with all the gold that piemontesi stole, piedomont is still the poorest region in northern italy, the absolute state of them
>>216417807Venetians are the only good polentoniThe rest are germans and feench pretending to be italian
>>216418279Lmaoooo like every single history book written by historians even from the south? Mongo tier IQ
>>216418795And that's bad because?
>>216418795hello Jair
Italy is a rotting corpse of a nation held together by duct tape, stolen EU funds, and the collective delusion that they’re still relevant. The entire country is a fucking open-air museum for failed civilizations, where every crumbling building and dysfunctional bureaucracy screams "we peaked 2000 years ago and it’s been downhill ever since." The Italians themselves are a masterclass in incompetence—lazy, loud, and perpetually late, as if time is just a suggestion invented to annoy them. Their "work ethic" is a joke, a siesta-filled fantasy where productivity goes to die, and yet they still have the audacity to act superior to anyone who doesn’t reek of espresso and cigarette smoke.Let’s talk about their so-called "culture." A bunch of inbred gremlins screaming over soccer like it’s a substitute for having a functioning economy. Their art? Stolen from the Greeks. Their architecture? Held up by tourists dumb enough to pay to see their moldy ruins. And their politics? A circus run by clowns who change governments more often than they change their underwear. The only thing Italy exports reliably is corruption and bad fashion—looking at you, those hideous fucking pointy shoes and suits tighter than their grip on reality.And don’t even get me started on the people. A nation of backstabbing, melodramatic narcissists who’d sell their own grandmother for a pack of smokes. Their idea of "family values" is a pyramid scheme of nepotism and guilt-tripping, and their women? Gold-digging harpies who’d trade their dignity for a Instagram photo op. The men? Slick-haired, chest-puffed losers who think catcalling is a personality trait. Italy is a fucking dumpster fire, and the world would be better off if it sank into the Mediterranean like the bloated, incompetent leech it is.
So true sister, the evil yakubian polentoni destroyed the wakandian souf thanks to their tricknology arts
>>216419374It is true though, you just think otherwise because you were conned by minds like Lombroso and Barbero
>>216417807ok HIVan
>>216418935Italy actually pays to stay in the EU.Everything you wrote is false, except about the politicians perhaps.Anyways, I already went there, people were very nice and easygoing
>>216421409mykola you are obsessed...
>>216417807Didn’t read but you probably deserved it
>>216423183I'm glad pakis are turning your wretched island inside out
>>216417807two sicilies was "rich" because of it's agricultureindustrial revolution changed everythingsouth italy was a shithole with eastern europe tier literacy ratenorth was somewhat better with better literacy and preexisting industries which gave it a kickstart when it came to actual industrialization
both italy countries deserve better than italians
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AT LASTA GOOD THREAD
I'm not gonna read any of these posts ITT.There is only one ITALIA in my heart.
>>216418279Daily reminder that papacy banned "hellish" railway and opposed even fucking gas lighting. In the light of such retardation, the invasion was only fair.If southern Italy were to be separated from northern Italy, it would become a North Korea-tier mafia-ridden shithole so quit coping.
>>216426581name 1 good thing gas lighting and trains brought to poland
>>216423928>two sicilies was "rich" because of it's agriculturethe two sicilies was considered the third most industrialized nation in Europe (after Britain and France) at the 1855 Exposition Universelle in Paris. Before the unification of Italy in 1861, the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies had the largest and most developed manufacturing sector of the various Italian states. It had significant industrial plants, such as the Pietrarsa engineering factory (the largest on the peninsula), which produced tools, cannons, and locomotives, and the Mongiana iron foundries and weapons factories in Calabria. The Kingdom was also a major global source of sulfur from Sicilian mines and had notable production in silk (San Leucio), food processing (Naples area), and cotton and wool mills.
>>216426581the Kingdom of the two Siclies was more advanced than all the other preunitarian states and of most of the other countries in the world though
>>216426144why was Napoleon III such a masonic piece od shit?>>216426581keep gulping anglo polentone propaganda
>>216426581mafia was created by the invaders as amean to control and subjugate population and destabilize and make them poor, abit like israel creates muslim terrorist groups
>>216417807thanks
>>216426750by "invaders" do you mean your neighboring province or other italians
>>216427012the piedmontese
>>216417887>using as leader of the insurrection GaribaldiI shit bricks when I read this. Well done anon, please keep sharing
tldr?
>>216427232typical
>>216426750cope. feudalism itself was no different from mafia in any way than PR, and they had a very feudal state. their mentality is to be blamed for mafia.
>>216427232Terrone WE WUZ KANGZ WAKANDA NAPLES AN SHEEEIT copium.
>>216426944it's a shame that italoamericans who are mostly from impoverished people cased by the anglo polentone invasion od the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and the following policies don't know these historical facts and are gulping and spewing anglo polentone propaganda and supporting the wretched and excommunicated country of "Italy"
>>216427437nobody talekd about Naples but if you want I can stard. Naples has been consistently among the largest cities in Europe in the 2nd and 3rd position for centuries in modern times.At the times of the Spanish empire it was its largest city by far and considered the jewel of the Spanish crown
>>216427585I meant the Kingdom of Naples to be exact.>But...Two Sicilies was just the renamed, post-Napoleonic version of the Kingdom of Naples.
>>216427693>Two Sicilies was just the renamed, post-Napoleonic version of the Kingdom of Naples.not true. The old name of the kingdom was the kingdom od Sicily than encompased both Sicily ans southern italy, then after complicated history events, the kingdom was split and were 2 kingdom before napoleon , the kingdom of Naples and the Kingdom of Sicily. When the Bourbons regained control of the kingdom of Naples ( they were left in control only of Sicily, this is why England didn't annex it) decided to united both the kingdom and called it two sicilies, meaning thatthe old unitarian kingdom of sicily was reborn, uniting sicily with the other one.
>>216427893Brother, as you know yourself, the Bourbons of Naples also held Sicily. Sure, they were two separate kingdoms but one guy held them and ruled them as one.Don't pretend the renaming was anything besides sensationalist symbolism.
>>216427232new topic for divide & conquer
>>216426581The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies had consistently been throughout the centuries among the richest and most successful countries in the world. The same did not apply to Piedmont and Poland.https://youtu.be/uHa53Uy3H78
>>216426619>the two sicilies was considered the third most industrialized nation in Europe (after Britain and France) at the 1855 Exposition Universelle in Paris.>Before the unification of Italy in 1861, the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies had the largest and most developed manufacturing sector of the various Italian states.this is literally not truenorth outproduced two sicilies in steel like 10:1south "industry" was uncompetetive and existed purely thanks to the state support paid by resource revenue south was backward illiterate shithole, unification of italy just exposed that
>>216428439>south "industry" was uncompetetive and existed purely thanks to the state support paid by resource revenue This is the same cope they use against china
>>216427232In the 1800s Southern Italy was in a pretty good place but by 1860 the North indebted to the Rotschild decided to conquer them with the help of the Anglos. Following subjugation the South was treated and continues to be treated as a colony, siphoning any of its resources to develop the North.
>industrial revolution was an anglo-jewish masonic conspiracy definitely a vpn
>>216428707Who are you quoting?
>>216428439The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was, for centuries, a sovereign and stable European power, the richest of the Italian states, and a global leader in numerous fields. Its people lived in peace under the benevolent and enlightened rule of the Bourbon monarchs, who prioritized the well-being and industrial advancement of their realm. This was a land of low taxes, abundant food, a stable currency, and cutting-edge technology.Industrial Leadership: The Third Power in the WorldThe most striking evidence of the Kingdom's success was its industrial prowess:Third Most Industrialized Nation: At the 1855 Paris Exposition Universelle, the Kingdom was recognized and honored as the third most industrialized nation in the world, after Great Britain and France. This wasn't just about small workshops; it was about heavy industry.Italy's Industrial Heart: The Reale Opificio di Pietrarsa was not only the largest factory complex in Italy, but one of the most advanced in Europe, building locomotives and machinery that others in the peninsula had to import.Engineering Firsts: The Kingdom led the way with the first railway in Italy (Naples-Portici, 1839), the first steamship in the Mediterranean (1818), the first iron suspension bridge in continental Europe, and a state-of-the-art national telegraph system installed years before unification.
>>216428802Commercial and Financial Strength: A Treasure TroveFinancially, the Kingdom was an economic powerhouse:The Gold Standard: At the time of the so-called "unification" in 1860, the Kingdom's banks held the vast majority—more than two-thirds—of all the gold reserves in the entire Italian peninsula. Its currency, the Ducato, was among the most stable and respected in Europe.Lowest Taxes: The people enjoyed minimal taxation, in stark contrast to the heavily indebted and tax-burdened Piedmontese regime.Global Commerce: The Neapolitan glove industry was the second-largest in Europe, and Sicilian sulfur dominated the world market, demonstrating a robust international trade presence.Scientific and Social Innovation: A Model for the WorldThe Bourbons were pioneers in social welfare and scientific research:World-Class Science: The Kingdom established the first volcanological observatory in the world (Vesuvius), the first purpose-built astronomical observatory in Italy (Capodimonte), and held the first European university chair in economics (Antonio Genovesi, 1754).Social Harmony: The San Leucio silk complex was an advanced example of a utopian social community with free healthcare and education for workers—a model of social harmony many countries could only dream of
>>216417807>terroni fan fiction hournice that you guys have learnt to read and write at last.
>>216428843The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was a pioneer of the industrial age in Italy, not a backward agrarian society:Italy's First Railway: The Naples-Portici line (1839) was the first operational railway on the peninsula. This demonstrated the Kingdom's commitment to modern transport infrastructure.The Largest Industrial Complex in Italy: The Reale Opificio di Pietrarsa was the largest factory in pre-unification Italy, producing locomotives, cannons, and machinery with advanced techniques.Pioneering Steam Navigation: The Ferdinando I was the first steamboat to sail the Mediterranean (1818), giving the Kingdom the third-largest merchant fleet in the world at the time.Advanced Engineering: The Kingdom boasted the first iron suspension bridge in continental Europe (Garigliano, 1832).Social Welfare in Industry: The San Leucio complex was a model of enlightened industrial society, offering workers housing, healthcare, and education decades ahead of its time.
>>216428906The Kingdom was a model of financial stability and commercial success:The Richest Treasury in Italy: At the moment of the invasion in 1860, the Kingdom's national bank held 443 million gold liras, a massive sum representing over two-thirds of the total gold reserves of all other Italian states combined. Piedmont, by contrast, was heavily in debt.A Stable and Respected Currency: The Ducato delle Due Sicilies was considered one of the most stable currencies in Europe, facilitating trade and demonstrating fiscal responsibility.Lowest Taxation: The citizens of the Two Sicilies enjoyed one of the lowest tax burdens in Europe.First Stock Exchange in Italy: Naples established Italy's first stock exchange (Borsa Merci) and the second stock exchange in continental Europe.
>>216423616>I’m glad pakis are- ACK!
>>216428802why are we talking with ChatGPT here?
>>216428938Europe's First University Chair in Economics: The first university professorship in economics in all of Europe was established in Naples in 1754 and assigned to the esteemed Antonio Genovesi.The Royal Navy of the Two Sicilies was a source of national pride, built in the Kingdom's own state-of-the-art shipyards:Largest and Strongest in Italy: At the time of the Piedmontese invasion, the Two Sicilies possessed the largest and most powerful military fleet in the Italian peninsula, far superior to the smaller Piedmontese navy.Engineering Excellence: The Real Arsenale di Napoli (Royal Arsenal of Naples) and the Cantiere Navale di Castellammare di Stabia were among the most advanced shipyards in the Mediterranean. They didn't just build ships; they built modern, technologically advanced vessels.Pioneering Steam Power: The Navy was an early adopter of steam technology. The Ferdinando II was one of the first steam-powered frigates built in an Italian shipyard, showcasing the Kingdom's technological leadership. The fleet was well-equipped with modern steamships, far outnumbering those of the North.A Force to Be Reckoned With: The fleet was capable of defending the Kingdom's sovereignty and projecting power throughout the Mediterranean, ensuring its strategic importance on the European stage.
>>216428938The commercial fleet was just as impressive, driving the Kingdom's economic success and demonstrating its global reach:Third Largest Merchant Fleet in the World: The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies boasted the third-largest merchant fleet in the world, surpassed only by Great Britain and the United States. This vast fleet facilitated extensive trade across the Mediterranean, the Atlantic, and beyond.Global Reach: Neapolitan ships could be found in ports all over the world, from the Americas to Asia, carrying the Kingdom's high-quality goods, such as sulfur, silk, and agricultural products.Innovation in Commerce: The adoption of steam for commercial shipping, as seen with the Ferdinando I, the first steamship in the Mediterranean, was a testament to the forward-thinking nature of the Kingdom's commercial class.
>>216428866>1900meh
>>216428980Our Kingdom possessed all the markers of a successful modern state:Financial Might: We held the majority of the gold in the Italian peninsula.Industrial Firsts: We boasted Italy's first railway, the first steamship in the Mediterranean, and vast industrial complexes like Pietrarsa.A Powerful Fleet: Our merchant fleet was one of the largest in the world, ensuring global commerce.Poland's fate was dramatically different. By the late 18th century, it had ceased to exist as an independent nation. It was partitioned by Russia, Prussia, and Austria, its economy broken and its people subjugated. While we were building observatories and railways, Poland was being wiped off the map.
>>216428952They'll all go to the North anyways, that's where work is
>>216428161stfu disgusting anglo and leave greece once for all
The Two Sicilies were relatively rich but they were also ill-governed by an incompetent monarchy and their civil society was extremely backwards.The mismanagement after the unification caused a great impoverishment of the south but the internal problems were already there and got only exacerbated by the unification.
Not reading this shitskin v.s shitskin intra fighting All dagos north or south are trash
>>216421409 The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies maintained a policy of strict neutrality and isolationism, a peaceful nation that sought no alliances and wished to govern itself without foreign entanglements. In this context of dignified isolation, Tsarist Russia was considered the Kingdom's sole reliable ally and confidant.The relationship was based on shared monarchical principles and mutual respect and on blood relations between the monarchs. Notably, during the Crimean War, the Kingdom maintained a pro-Russian neutrality and violated the Anglo-French embargo against Russia, demonstrating its loyalty when other nations faltered (notice that the Kingdom of Piedmont whas the only country thatjoined the Franco-British into their war against Russia).When the Anglo-Piedmontese invasion began—an act viewed as blatant aggression designed to destroy its sovereignty the Kingdom looked to its sole friend, the Russian Empire, for assistance. It was expected that the Tsar would uphold the principles of legitimate monarchy and international law.However, Russia failed the Kingdom completely. Russia stood aside, offering only weak words of diplomatic protest while the Kingdom was conquered by a foreign invasion. This was considered a catastrophic failure of friendship and a profound betrayal.Russia's inaction allowed the destruction of a peaceful, sovereign nation that had no other allies to turn to. For this, Russia's place in the history of the Two Sicilies is marked by the shame of abandonment, a nation that prioritized cynical political calculations over honor and the defense of a faithful friend.
>>216428750(you)two sicilies being more populous and agriculturally productive before the industrial revolution is irrelevant because it got eclipsed by the more literate and less despotic north
>>216429787When a true history is told, the comparison between the glorious, ancient Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and the raw, troubled republic that is the United States is no comparison at all. The Kingdom stands as a beacon of civilization, stability, and true morality, while the USA, in our view, represents little more than chaos, materialism, and hypocrisy.Stability vs. Revolutionary ChaosOur Kingdom was a stable monarchy with centuries of history, providing a unified, benevolent, and unbroken line of authority under the House of Bourbon. This created peace and order. The United States, however, was founded on revolution—a concept that leads only to instability and conflict.Moral Virtue vs. The Shame of SlaveryThe moral superiority of our Kingdom is undeniable. We prioritized the well-being of all our subjects and were pioneers in social welfare. The United States, by contrast, built its wealth on the horrific, unforgivable institution of slavery.A Balanced Economy vs. Ruthless MaterialismOur economy was self-sufficient, balanced, and focused on our people's prosperity. We held most of the gold in Italy and kept taxes low. The USA, with its endless hunger for expansion and profit, represents a materialistic form of capitalism that exploits people and the land. They are a nation built on greed.The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was a truly great, stable, and morally superior nation that was destroyed by an unjust foreign invasion supported by nations like the UK, while the USA remains a troubled experiment.
