>in the EUSSR it really is up for debate whether or not the state should be able to read all your chatsLMFAO, everyone in school reads 1984 around here, really goes to show how stupid modern Europeans are
>>216476497I've read 1984, I wrote my thesis on how globalization can have effects on Europe
>>216476497>it really is up for debateyou really think that? you seriously think anybody's gonna actually stop it?it's gonna happen, and you will like it
This is the only way to save freedom and democracy from russian influence
>>216476555You can't even insult your leaders in public
>>216476497Whatsapp, telegram, facebook messenger, and Discord already do
>>216476586>you have censorship in Russia>therefore you cannot make fun of censorship in EUstanWhy are euromonkeys like this? Do you think Russians aren’t aware of censorship in Russia? Retards like Milonov who propose this shit in the Duma get mocked online.
>>216476586>can't even insult your leaders in publicDoesn't it simply mean that they are the true leaders, wielding power? It's not scary to insult a puppet
>>216476658It's not censorship in our case, we voted for it, our elected representatives proposed it, we want it so. Censorship implies defiance.
>>216476586Hey, if I insult a certain ethno-religious group I'm going to prison.Really makes you think...Of course this is the case in Russia too. Don't get me wrong, I certainly don't want to defend them. They suck. So do we however.
>>216476734>we voted for it, our elected representatives proposed it, we want it soIt's still censorship. >Censorship implies defiance.What do you mean?
>>216476497???
>>216476734>our elected representatives proposed itSo did the elected representatives of Russia. How is that a good thing?>we turned into an authoritarian shithole but we did it le democratic wayCongrats?
>>216476551globalization is goodeverything after 2020 including the covid is a breakdown of globalization
>>216476734LOL as if the will of the majority is always the right thing.That being said the opinions of the masses are literally formed by the media, which is owned by a small group of (((people)))It's a dictatorship in disguise
>>216476658Because people have Russia fatigue. It's like if you had a constant down sydrome retard taunting you, you know he's retarded yet he keep nagging you and engaging with him is also pointless because he is also retarded.In the west you can literally swear allegiance to Putin and be funded by the Russian state and be allowed to do pretty much whatever you want while also shitting on the west every day and you will be championed as a free thinker meanwhile in Russia you can't hold up a piece of A4 paper let alone condemn their retarded invasion or hold a single public opinion that even remotely goes against state. It's so common during the last 3 years that it's fatiguing to anyone with a functioning brain.
>>216476847I repeat, why does any of this matter? They also have censorship in China. So it’s totally normal to have it in the EU? Led by example I guess.
>>216476847>In the west you can literally swear allegiance to Putin and be funded by the Russian stateThe leading candidate in last year's election in Romania was arrested, and the election overturned, on the mere accusation that he was financed by Russia, no actual evidence was provided besides some tiktok ads and he still hasn't been charged. Meanwhile that election was redone and the eventual winner was the pro-EU candidate. How exactly is that democratic?
>>216476718Dunno. One time a random dude in Portugal got a fine of 1500€ for telling the president to his face he should "go get a job"
>>216476774It's only censorship if it's again your (collective) will, if it's in line with it it's just regular propaganda.
>>216476898You don't understand. If we didn't have censorship we would have tons of right wing extremists who openly spread their opinions.And we can't have that in a democracy.
>>216476781>So did the elected representatives of RussiaThey don't have fair elections at such a level.
>>216476942I still don't understand what you're saying. Censorship is any attempt to limit free speech.
>>216476497Uhhh chuddie, that's not the same. Brussels wants to read our chat messages to protect the kids, ok?
>>216476971>they’re not fair because I said so>this justifies my country’s authoritarianism btw
>>216476920>Romaniatruly the respresentative of the west
>>216476497good people will use phone calls more and more secure messaging apps and they might even get off social media.
>>216476497if i dont find enemy from russia i will find myself an enemy so i can play the hero of my delusions
>>216476658>Retards like Milonov who propose this shit in the Duma get mocked onlinehe is just a distraction russia is like 1-2 years away from whitelist only internet your attempts at false equivalence are laughable >>216476781if russia is the same as europe but better then go back there, what's your problem?
>>216477052there is a comma after good
>>216477052>phone callsThey've been tapped for decades, the NSA taps landlines and satellites and listens to phone calls from all over the world, nowadays you can be sure that the NSA uses AI to listen to millions of phone calls simultaneously and will zero in on key words.
>>216476973It's not censorship to tell my loud neighbor to shut up. Censorship is whenever information you would want avaliable is limited in its distribution. But if you voted for this outcome, then you wouldn't want it avaliable, so it's not censorship.
>>216477052>whats wiretapping5 eyes will listen you
Russians get offendedImmediately switch to vpnsBrown shits show up with vpnsThen they complain no one likes them Nothing changes>>216476497I go with I say whatever the fuck I want. If they want to read it they can and come talk to me. They come and take my freedom speech and my guns. I'll be waiting. Otherwise I don't have a shit. Fuck Putin fuck trump fuck Jews I don't give a fuck. Fuck musk fuck Republicans, fuck the Chinese fuck them all. I will live and most will not. They'll just wander around until their existence runs out cause there ain't no fucking after life. Anger gets shit done
>>216477107>It's not censorship to tell my loud neighbor to shut up.Your issue with your neighbour isn't the content of his speech, but the disturbance of that loud speech. That's not censorship.>But if you voted for this outcome, then you wouldn't want it avaliable, so it's not censorship.And what if I didn't vote for that outcome? What if someone voted for that outcome but then changed their mind and regretted voting for that outcome?
>>216477075I never said it’s the same. I said this stupid “muh Russia bad therefore censorship good” argument is beyond retarded, but niggercattle like you love to gulp it up. Dumb liberaha.
>>216477105not realistic they cant do encrypted calls without it being a hassle
>>216476973That's not true at all.
>>216477287yes it is
>>216477195>but the disturbance of that loud speechThat's just his form of expression, which could have as much weight as for the substance of his manifest as the lexical contents. It's expression all the same, I may be attempting to restrict his individualism in that moment, but I'm not censoring him. Censorship pertains to information I would want avaliable.>And what if I didn't vote for that outcome?It's called majority rule and it's beautiful. Don't like it? You're free to leave or create your own party.
>>216477388>Censorship pertains to information I would want avaliable.I never said you were censoring your neighbour.>It's called majority rule and it's beautiful. Don't like it? You're free to leave or create your own party.Majority rule doesn't mean that the minority don't have differing views. Even if 99% of people in a country voted for restricting free speech, the restriction of that free speech is still censorship.
>>216477335Can't yell fire in a theater. Can't tell people to go kill people over the radio. Can't tell people that black people are hunting white people We do not have freedom of speech in america anymore btw. It's more like it's too much trouble to arrest some people
>>216477214you arguing with imaginary people isn't going to change the fact that russia is approaching chinese levels of mass censorship (all while china itself is relaxing the firewall btw)
>>216477514>Even if 99% of people in a country voted for restricting free speech, the restriction of that free speech is still censorship.For the 1%, which is an absolute minority in a democratic society. The rest will not be subjected to censorship because they voted for it. We voted for it, so we won't be censored.
>>216476497Is this about Chat Control? Pretty sure it was struck down and Denmark withdrew the proposal (for now), proving the EU is the least cucked when it comes to personal freedom and free speech.
>>216477666>The rest will not be subjected to censorship because they voted for it. We voted for it, so we won't be censored.What about people who didn't vote at all? What about children who were too young to vote at the time of the vote about censorship? The definition of censorship doesn't depend on voter intent. The objective definition of censorship is the restriction of freedom of speech.
>>216476555>EU bad therefore Russia good!Okay, HIVan
>>216476497yeah, yeah things fall apart
>>216477666shit bait
>>216477797Those who didn't vote or can't yet had their political vote deferred, in one case willingly, in the other because of standards. Again, in a democratic system, there are winners and there are losers. Voter intent dictated that the official state position is to suppress information the winner faction doesn't want avaliable, making it not censorship. What the losers think doesn't matter, maybe get more votes next time.
nobody mention the patriot act
>>216478053>Voter intent dictated that the official state position is to suppress information the winner faction doesn't want avaliable, making it not censorshipVoter intent won't change objective reality. If the majority of voters vote to make murder legal, the fact that it is now legal still doesn't change the fact that it is murder, which is unjustified killing. You argue like a moral relativist.
>>216476847croat spittin facts>>216476898great illustration of his point>>216476920>democracy is when russia names your president
>>216478311I mentioned its consequences here >>216477105
>>216478676Murder is a crime. If it's no longer a crime, it's no longer murder. What is capital punishment? Hint: not murder.
>>216478792The definition of murder is unjustified killing, just because a government says that a killing is justified, doesn't make it actually justified. I don't get my morality from the government, I don't get my morality from democracy, I get my morality from my sense of good and evil.
>>216478968>just because a government says that a killing is justified, doesn't make it actually justifiedYes it does, that's precisely what dictates whether it is or not. Government begets Law. Law reflects morals because the government that makes them is elected on account of applied morals, ie policies.Your personal ethics don't matter as long as they stand alone or even in the minority, it's the majority's that matter in democratic civilization.
>>216479152>Law reflects morals because the government that makes them is elected on account of applied morals, ie policies.Morality has nothing to do with democracy. I believe in objective morality, even if 100% of a country decided that evil was actually good, that evil still wouldn't actually be good. As I said before, you're a moral relativist, probably an Atheist too. You treat democracy as a god.
>>216479284>I believe in objective moralityYou believe in an interpretation, many others could be made and also lay claim to objectivity. I believe democracy is the fairest system avaliable, despite its many flaws.
>>216476497It's not 1984 so long as you're not doing what the US wants or however the thought crime is reeducated
>>216476734I never voted for chat control
>>216476847this>>216476962i dont give a fuck about some idealistic shit its us or them and i rather be on side that is not blatantly killing its political oppositionbut this side is not gonna win if le free thinkers will support the enemy
>>216487185>i dont give a fuck about civic rightslmao ok
>>216476586Just because no one wants to do it doesn't mean we can't
>>216476497they already use israeli spyware like pegasus and others to do it, this is just to legalize it
>>216476847this is true but opposite, in EU you're gonna get jailed for doubting urine and glorious EU leaders while in Russia you can literally be an enemy asset and get away with just being added to the bad boy list
>>216487403>civic rightsatleast eastern autocracies are protecting those
>>216476497they want to read it before you even send themlmao
>>216476771>>216476832If you don’t like it just go back to Syria already
>>216476555Can Europeans ?
