Our country was built on the rejection of Plato's ideas so unsurprisingly nobody knows or likes him here.
>>216594590Kinda, but our orientalizing influences were not hellenic as for italians but semitic.
>>216595031I just assumed it would've carried over during the Islamic Golden Age. I don't know if the Ummayads were into Greek philosophy as much as the Abbasids or Fatimids though.
>>216595244Philosophy is an epiphenomenon in Semitic societies, always ultimately under the rule of eschatology and theology.
I know and appreciate him. Plato is my master in philosophy and Luther is my master in theology.
>>216595348That's true. Still being secondary is an achievement. Most of MENA from my experiences at least like Aristotle.>>216595401I always saw Luther, and Protestantism as a whole, as entirely contradictory to philosophy in general but I'm curious as to how people don't believe that.
>>216595543We appreciate philosophy but insist that it stay within its proper bounds. Models of the world constructed by the human mind must submit before the truth of the world as declared by God. Imagine that you are a historian, and you have spent your career studying the life and times of Julius Caesar. Suddenly, one day, by divine fiat, Caesar is raised from the dead, and you have the opportunity to speak to him. Are you going to insist his words bend to suit your own previous speculatively constructed model of what his life looks like, or are you going to shut up and listen as the man himself speaks? Philosophy is, properly speaking, the study of first principles, the science of the divine. If we want to know the divine, and not just to gratify ourselves, when the divine speaks we ought to listen.
>>216595543>Most of MENA from my experiences at least like AristotleBecause Aristotle's god as Allah is totally separated from the world ontologically, something totally alien to Europe's Platonical views in which God is closer to men since souls come from the abstract world. When you look at it, Middle-Ages were the most semitic period Europe ever lived. In exchange Renaissance was the ultimate victory of Greek (IE) culture over Semitic culture.
>>216595680Interesting. Aligns with what >>216595348 said.>>216595791>Because Aristotle's god as Allah is totally separated from the world ontologically, something totally alien to Europe's Platonical views in which God is closer to men since souls come from the abstract world.Even more interesting that the Islamic world shifted towards Platonism while Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity went obsessive over Aristotle.>In exchange Renaissance was the ultimate victory of Greek (IE) culture over Semitic culture.I wish it wasn't so short lived.
>>216594590>PlatoPic unrelated? Plotinus is a different dude, anon.
>>216596379A good book to read if you'd like to learn more about the developed Protestant perspective on philosophy.https://a.co/d/cdr6pfv
>>216594590>at one point our larp waas so strong we wnt to greece and started rebuilding the ruinsi>t caused the travel / architecture people to have a melty
>>216596441Title just said classical Greeks. America was built on rejector Platonic notions like philosopher kings but also wasn't a fan of Aristotle or other Greek philosophers since they saw the structure as fundamentally corrupted. Probably should've been clearer.
>>216594590The US is built off the concept of Imago Dei and Renaissance humanism. Aristotle>Plato literally all of set theory and modern mathematics is based off him, the fact that you can use algebra for proofs now is all you need to know about Plato being relevant. Of course let me pull out a piece of paper and take 20 minutes to draw a square using dozens of autistic steps as my proof. Does anyone want this garbage back?
>>216596589The philosophy of the American founders was one of mixed constitutionalism. It is quite similar to what is found in Plato's Laws and Aristotle's Politics.
>>216597741They were in love with the Athenian system. However it seems they weren't a fan of the classical Greek philosophers at least pertaining to their structure. The interest in Greeks seems only insomuch as the Enlightenment philosophies allowed.
>>216594590Every law student in your country is required to read phaedo and the tower. Most of them read the republic and his other notable works for their courses.
>>216598045Big if true. Not a lawyer so wouldn't know.
