Czechia and Slovakia = Central EuropePoland, Slovenia, Hungary, Croatia = Transregional countries Can we all agree on this?
>>216625527For me, all of these countries are Central Europe. Croatia is transregional because half of the country is Mediterranean and the continental half is Central Europe.
Czechia, Slovakia - CzechoslovakiaKosovo, Serbia - Kosovoserbia
>>216625527I'd agree with that if we agree that Central europe is a subset of Eastern europe. That would be the reading that would keep the most people happy I think
>>216625527No herr pls we are fully central
>>216625527Central Europe = Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Austria - Hungary is transregionalAlso Kosovo is Albanian soil, fix your map
>>216625527Poland is apparently far western asia
>>216625527If there is such a thing as "Central europe" it shoud include countries with very similar culture and history. Central europe = Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, LiechtensteinBut I don't see what's wrong with the classical Western/Eastern split though
>>216625929but where would we group Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Liechtenstein? Western Europe perhaps?
>>216626082>very similar culture and history.A big part of modern Poland's history is also Germany's history herr
>>216626165Exactly. They're western european historically and culturally.
>>216626194The land maybe, but not the people. The germans got displaced.
>>216626242>The germans got displaced.Not all of them and still their historical heritage is here so it's quite an obvious link
>>216626290Not really. You have more in common with eastern europe
poland was transregional when we had half of belarus ukraine and lithuania
>>216626373Which regions? Western eastern europe and eastern eastern europe?
>POOLAND IS NOT EASTERN EUROPE PAAN POOLAND IS RICH WEST EUROPE
>>216627043western/eastern roman empire sphere of influence
>>216627297founding of the polish lithuanian commonwealth: 1569fall of the western roman empire: 476fall of the eastern roman empire: 1543Do they even have schools in poland or do they recognize that's a waste of effort?
>>216626373and I think there are still many traces of and similarities with Ruthenians and the times of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Then in the west and some other parts of Poland, there have been historical ties and contact with Germans and thus a noticeable German(ic) influence. So when somebody says "Poland is Central Europe" I would be more inclined to say "Poland is Central Europe, but also..." or "Poland is Central Europe.... too"
>>216627422you forgot to mention founding of poland in 966 and influence of pope>>216627729germany is 150 years old poland as in POLAND not lithuania was always in western sphere of influence as a whole maybe without parts that are modern ukraine
>>216628012Being an eastern european nation that was INFLUENCED by the west does not make you anything else but eastern european
>>216628084the literal definition of the west is catholic sphere of influence pre schism
>>216628118I think that's one factor but not the entire picture. I think Poland and its culture are still closer to its Slavic neighbors (minus russia) than to Germans, even if there is history and an undeniable influence, especially in certain parts of the country This is why I think Poland is not fully central or fully eastern, it's transregioanl
>>216628912if by slavic neighbours you mean slovakia and czechia then yeah but if you mean ukraine then lmao
>>216629282Denying our obvious cultural connections to Ukraine is just stupid
>>216629331maybe ukraine as a region not ukrainians and definitely not russians which are half of its population
>t. the times
>>216628118That's a very odd definition that no one would agree with except people who are obsessed with making poland seem western. You ignore all parts of culture, language, economy etc. and only focus on a minor aspect of religion.
>>216629331it also leads to people (especially those in western and central Europe) to not take you (as in: the people raising this argument) seriously, which is ultimately to your detriment because as I said, I think there is credibility to the claim that Poland is ALSO central Europe (just not exclusively)
>>216629575google the west go on wikipedia and read the article>>216629593ukrainians are fucking orthodox same culture my ass
>>216629575>languageYet somehow you don't see Romania as part of the west either. You're just cherrypicking the arguments to fit in with your narrative
>>216629593Poland is also quite diverse regionally in this regard. But well, so is Germany
>>216629667because it's eastern in all other aspects. Similar to how you might be catholics but your language, culture, customs, food, genetics, history etc. are eastern.
>>216629618>google the west go on wikipedia and read the articlefrom that article:During the Cold War, a new definition emerged. Earth was divided into three "worlds". The First World, analogous in this context to what was called the West, was composed of NATO members and other countries aligned with the United States.The Second World was the Eastern bloc in the Soviet sphere of influence, including the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries like Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, East Germany, and Czechoslovakia. do you agree with the article?
>>216629822Our food is like 50% the same like German food tho
>>216626242for post-war lands yeah, but the history didn't start and end in 1945.
>>216625527>Central Europe>Transregional countriesthis is what the term is for
>>216629863>a new definition emergedimpressive, very nicelet's see the original definition
>>216625527>Germanoids drawing Slavic borders Many such cases.
>>216630230>original definitionand the "original" definition is the one that best fits my expectations, from the period I choose
>>216630240not after ww1 or ww2 >>216630296why are you quoting me and not the faggot, that definition is outdated and cherry picked
>>216630371>that definition is outdatedThen why do you care so much about the definition before it? surely by the transitive property it is also outdated. What is the modern definition based on then?
>>216625527Pooland east europe
>>216629822and 50% like Lithuanian and Ruthenian, which is exactly my point Sort of how in Croatia, there are regions with food similar to Austrian, then some where it's similar to Italy and some where it is Balkan (and sometimes a mixture of these)
>>216631163>What is the modern definition based on then?the old one
>>216631387Why? if the previous one is outdated, then surely the one before that is also outdated
>>216631436do you know how proofs by induction work?
>>216629694yes, how some regions sometimes resemble the culture of neighboring countries Bavaria is also white different from, say, Hamburg but most people regard it as just another flavor of German but German nonetheless >>216630179only for a lot of people in Poland, this is used as code or synonymously with "we're not like those other Slavs" or even "we're western/not Slavic at all"
>>216631456Yes. Go ahead and spout your mental gymnastics about how the previous definition is outdated but the one before that is somehow not
>>216631504>Bavaria is also white different from, say, Hamburg but most people regard it as just another flavor of German but German nonetheless500 years ago urban poles were more similar to prussians than prussians were to bavarians, germany is 150 years old>>216631527it is outdated, the new one is based on it though
>>216631553>the new one is based on it thoughwhy would you look at an outdated definition to base your new definition on?
>>216631504>not Slavic at allprojection, nobody says that
>this definition from 30 years ago about political reality? outdated hogwash, no bearing on modern life>this definition from 1000 years ago based on minor religious differences? That's gospel
>>216631504>, this is used as code or synonymously with "we're not like those other Slavs" because it's just true
>>216631633because one is 500 years old and the other is 50 years oldalso dont fucking ask me i didnt come up with this
>>216631713poland is big enough to not gravitate towards cultural centers but develop its own but retards wont understand it
>>216631769so one is 470 years outdated and the other 30 years? Surely the one that's less outdated is a better base>also dont fucking ask me i didnt come up with thisyou are the one championing this definition. If you can't defend it then you don't agree with it?>>216631713How are you different? From the western perspective you're all just HIVans
>>216631553Was there contact and overlap? Absolutely Did that make Poles more similar to one German culture to another? Absolutely not >>216631644I can't count how many times I heard something along the lines of "we're not actually Slavic, we just happen to speak a Slavic language"
>>216631836germany is 150 years old there was no germany 500 years ago
>>216631836>I can't count how many times I heard something along the lines of "we're not actually Slavic, we just happen to speak a Slavic language"maybe you should take your schizo meds then
>>216631836>I can't count how many times I heard something along the lines of "we're not actually Slavic, we just happen to speak a Slavic language"I've only heard this about Czechs, but still only as a joke.
>>216632099czechs never had nationalist autism throughout history they're rape babies that survived by not causing problems
>>216631836>Did that make Poles more similar to one German culture to another?yes herr we are almost the same herr pls believe me herr
>>216632025After PLC and after then Germans, Austrians and russians occupying Polish lands, there was also no Poland on the map for a significant amount of time, that doesn't mean Poles didn't exist >>216632203You're MY Central European <3
>>216632362false equivalence, poland existed before occupation contrary to germany
>>216632395you're missing my point I'm saying: just because a country with name X does not exist, does not mean that people X doesn't exist
>>216632809>just because a country with name X does not exist, does not mean that people X doesn't exist~p => p == 0 you fucking imbecile i dont even feel like bothering to look up what logical fallacy this is
I feel like Germans severely underestimate the level of German influence in Polandprobably because of lack of linguistic ties currently and generally Germans being disinterested in Poland but seriously, there are so many German loanwords in Polish so it hurts, not even Czech has as many of them because they had linguistic purge and mass replacement of German words with made up pseudo-Slavic equivalents, we never did it
>>216633857I think you underestimate the fact that you're eastern european
>>216634641vpn hivan seething
>>216634641Papists aren't "Eastern"
>>216625700half of Croatia is Europe half is "balkan"
>my headcanon is better than yours: the threadyou should all just kys
