The central crest in Mexico's flag symbolizes the indigenous religion/institutions/peoples (snake, quetzalcoatl) being subdued and eaten alive only to be shat out later by the Roman Empire/Spain (Imperial Eagle), and I find that beautiful.
>>216640138That's not what it symbolizes but sure
>>216640194It literally is and you're an indio in denial.
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>>216640138indeed, it's a beautiful tribute to Spain.congratulations Mexico!!
>>216640138>Every eagle is romanThis is why sub-Brazilian shouldn't have access to the internet
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Nice VPN Saaaar
>>216640321>The coat of arms recalls the founding of Mexico City, then Tenochtitlan. The legend of Tenochtitlan, as shown in the original Aztec codices, paintings, and post-Cortesian codices, does not include a snake. While the Codex Fejérváry-Mayer depicts an eagle attacking a snake, other Mexica illustrations, such as the Codex Mendoza, show only an eagle; in the text of the Ramírez Codex, however, Huitzilopochtli asked the Tenochtitlan people to look for an eagle devouring a snake, perched on a prickly pear cactus. In the text by Chimalpahin Cuauhtlehuanitzin, the eagle is devouring something, but it is not mentioned what it is. Other versions (such as the backside of the Teocalli of the Sacred War) show the eagle clutching the Aztec symbol of war, the atl-tlachinolli glyph, or "burning water".
>>216640194moors like to make shit up
>>216640363The apparent contradiction is easily explained by this: The war glyph atl-tlachinolli was also symbolized by a snakeThe eagle & snake represents Quetzalcoatl & tezcatlipoca which were the seemingly antagonistic forces in Mesoamerican worldThe eagles could also be interchanged by any kind of bird, the meaning remained the same
>>216640509I dont believe you
>>216640619You dont have to believe me, just look at the sources
>>216640210its true like he said but also its true of even european countries, like the Spanish connection with the Bull is from Dionysus cults, England is named after one of their native gods Ing, ect. Even if you don't believe in the true gods they are still there and still in control of the world.
>Roman Empire/SpainSo are we just completely ignoring that the spanish were just finishing 700 years of being african muslims or what
>>216640744You don't have any sources. Pictures out of context are not sources.
>>216640138Kek this reminds me of those twitter posts where people claimed that Dia de los Muertos was actually a European tradition/holiday.
>>216642645Nigga read Cronica De Tezozomoc and stop being a contrarian. Basically all ndsoamerican experts agree the eagle represents quetzalcoatl
>>216642645I'd post the link to actual codices but you'd probably wont redeem.
It isnt what it means.That serpent is just a serpent, while Quetzalcoatl is a feathered serpent.The eagle and the nopal have its origins in the myth of creation of Tenochtitlan, in which the aztecs would settle in the land in which they saw a bird standing in a nopal.
>>216642828I have posted codices here myself Mendoza and boturini or whatever ot was called.
>>216642828>>216642882> feathered serpentYes & you can also depict it as an eagle carrying a serpent. Its the same. Different artistic styles same meaning.
>>216640744Ok, but then, why does the Teocalli sagrado doesn't have the snake? It has the eagle and the nopal, but there's no snake
In all honesty though, why do Mexicans care about ancient Aztec traditions if they're like 70% Spanish o algo anyway and even if they have some native blood in them, it's most likely of the tribes that hated Aztecs and supported Spaniards in their conquest?
>>216642957Most Mexicans are majority native, not necessarily Aztec though. Western states especially have huge numbers of "mestizos" who look straight up like maybe 1 Pancho fucked a Purepecha 500 years ago and that was the sum of Spanish blood in that family
>>216642957Im not native , but i like researching the history of the peoples that were here, i also like european history and asian history even though im not a pure european and i dont have asian ancestry. >>tribes of the ones who supported the spaniards.It is, in fact i estimate most mexicans are descendants of tlaxcaltecans.
I like this one.If they had to make a state flag for Mexico City, I would propose using this eagle.
>>216642994Really not.Most mexicans are mestizos.Even in the most indigenous states they are not pure indigenous but a mix of europeans and africans.Pic rel is the average genetic ancestry in the state of Oaxaca, which is often considered as one of the most indigenous states.The purple is the amerindian ancestry, the green the european ancestry and the yellow the black ancestry.We are glad to be mestizos, and proud to be the mix of 3 continents.
>>216643063>descendants of tlaxcaltecansHmm interesting, according to Wikipedia >Because of their alliance with the Spanish Crown during the conquest of the Aztec Empire, the Tlaxcalteca enjoyed exclusive privileges among the indigenous peoples of Mexico, including the right to carry guns, ride horses, hold noble titles, maintain Tlaxcalan names, and govern their settlements autonomously. This privileged treatment ensured Tlaxcalan allegiance to Spain over the centuries, and even during the Mexican War of Independence, though Tlaxcala did host a strong pro-independence faction.Wouldn't that mean that only "elites", are of Tlaxcaltec origin?
>>216643110>most mexican are mestizosyes, but like +75% indio still
>>216642957>>216642994It depends on the state like chicanxs all look like that because they come from rural areas from ghetto states
>>216642953>Ok, but then, why does the Teocalli sagrado doesn't have the snake? It has the eagle and the nopal, but there's no snakeBecause the Atlachinolli was also symbolized as a jar overflowing with water. In Nahuatl jar is komitl and water is atl. So following nahuatl grammatical rules you get KOATL which means serpentHuitzilopochtli was just another reiteration of Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatls were avatars or great persons that carried out social reforms, majestic constructions, or great social upheavelsThats why Cortes was called Quetzalcoatl also> Donde tenian su dios principal a nadie era permitido entrar, sino al sumo pontifice; y este dios tenia distintos nombres segun la provicinia; porque el de la gran ciudad de Mexico se llamaba Horchilobos y en otra ciudad que se llama Cholula Quetzalcoatl y asi en las demasConquistador anonimos
>>216642957>if they're like 70% SpanishNot even close. Like not at all lmao
>>216643372Mexico received a comparetively low amount of spanish immigrants considering the importance for the Spanish Empire. Argentina received 2 milion spanish immigrants according to jewgle, why didn't Mexico atracted more immigrants?
>>216643413Most colonial era europeans got killed by brownxicans during the independence war and the revolutionary warThe european blood of Mexico is rather new. Western and northern mexico is more influenced by the fr*nch expedition of the XIX century, and CDMX is more influenced by the spanish commies that ran away from Franco. This is why western Mexico, despite having a lot of blonde blue eyed people, is actually not racist while southern Mexico is still a caste system nightmare.
>>216643413In most of the XIX century Mexico was in wars.Either be america, civil war, revolutions or wars against the french.Literally after the "guerra de reforma" the second French intervention happened inmediatly.
Viva Maximiliano mi verdadero monarca. VGH.
>>216643488>>216643496Why was the bad blood between browns and spaniards so big at the time?
The Aztecs tried to end the worship of Quetzalcoatl so they could install their gods such as Huitzilopochtli.
>>216643567Are you kidding niggaThey were an evil genocidal regime fueled by slaves. On top of that they acted all uppity completly understimating the importance of the brownxicans to the survival of their shit ass "empire". They had it coming
>>216643567>browns and spaniardsBut you repeat yourself
Huitzilopochtli is probably based on older gods from the southwest.
>>216643322>>Because the Atlachinolli was also symbolized as a jar overflowing with water.>>Huitzilopochtli was just another reiteration of Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatls were avatars or great persons that carried out social reforms, majestic constructions, or great social upheavelsShow your sources or proofs to say this, im really interested but i need proof.The conquistador anónimo isnt such a reliable source also. https://youtu.be/imf0rIkY2iQ?si=__5zO42ltAGn7Nsq
>>216643590We had slave and nativist revolts, but I can't remember an episode where pardos revolted against the portuguese under racial basis.We wuz probably treated better than mestizos.
>>216643665I think it's possible that was just another meme the Aztecs would tell people so they would worship Huitzilopochtli. Kind of how the Spanish would say Quetzalcoatl was Jesus.
>>216643685The revolts werent racial in nature. They were generalized protests against the shitshow that was the New Spain. That native mexicans had killed the local landlords which were all sp*nish was just a nice addition to the whole situation
>>216642957>it's most likely of the tribes that hated AztecsThe mexica were not "hated". This is one of the most common myths. In fact, even within the tlaxcaltecs, there were great schisms regarding the alliance with the spanish, which is a topic that is not regularly talked about. There were pro-mexica tlaxcaltec rulers. But the anti-mexica ones ended up imposing themselves.Mesoamerica in 1519 was in the breakout of a civil war. The Conquistadors were considered as another mesoamerican tribe by the mesoamericans, not as some alien gods. Conquistadors themselves had become 'indianized' (they wore sandals like indios, ate like indios, since they've been living in the caribean for decades). They were in fact indianized europeans. The m
>>216643738>I think it's possible that was just another meme the Aztecs would tell people so they would worship Huitzilopochtli.The mexica didn't impose their religion on conquered tribes. On the contrary, they would incorporate the gods of the conquered tribes in their pantheon.What ended up causing the anti-mexica alliance, was the mexica ramping up taxation. Its not different to how Borbon reforms (aimed at taxing to hell & back New Spain) ended up causing our independence
>>216640138>r by the Roman Empire/Spain (Imperial Eagle)imagine being this wrong, this confident in being wrong and projecting your own fantasy on existing symbols that much
>>216643665>The conquistador anónimo isnt such a reliable source alsoLa fiabilidad de las fuentes se verifican comprobandolo con otras. En este caso se sabe que en la actual Cholula se veneraba a un advenimiento de Quetzalcoatl y en Tenochtitlan a Huitzilopochtli, por lo tanto se confirma lo que menciona el Conquistador Anonimo. Lo que pienso es que los dioses mesoamericanos principales eran personajes historicos que dejaron un legado (tanto bueno como malo ojo) en la sociedad, otros dioses eran simples manifestaciones o representaciones de procesos naturales o fisiologicos (como tlaloc o tlazolteotl)
