>Launch a surprise invasion against a nation>Invasion gets bogged down after a few weeks>Leave the invasion force stranded>Invade another country>Invasion gets bogged down again>Leave the invasion force stranded>Invade another countryWhy were they so fucking retarded?
IJA was full of Koreans.
>>216641581they had no plan, they just went on vibes
>>216641581>Launch a surprise invasion against a nation>Invasion gets bogged down after a few weeks>Leave the invasion force stranded>Invade another countryThis never happened. They had been in China for a decade, not a few weeks, prior to the Indochina and East Indies offensive. The December 1941 was simultaneous and highly successful and only really 'bogged down' briefly in the Bataan pocket, which was too small to really be strategically notable.They knew the plan was stupid, but the army put extreme pressure on the navy to do something to alleviate their plight in China and they needed to move for oil after the US embargo. Pragmatic voices were crowded out by the culture of assassination and extremist subordinates acting against their superiors and then wrapping themselves in the flag.The idea was that they would take their conquests easily as the world was distracted by Germany; however, the allied counter strike, with the Japanese dug in, would be a grinding repeat of the First World War. The West would not accept the losses it took to hold Paris in order to retake Rabaul or Rangoon. But offensive technology was dominant and the navy was quickly shattered past the point of being able to supply their outposts, so their superior morale and discipline was wasted by starving men bayonet charging machine gunners backed by air support and naval supremacy.
>>216641581>axis-controlleddamn didnt know germans were involved in pacific front
Is complicated
>>216642014Thailand
>>216641593>It was Zainichi Koreans saar!
they shouldn't have got so greedy
>>216641581Gotta hand it to them, they scared the shit out of America so hard they've been kept neutered all the way into the present day.>continued US occupation of Okinawa>burgerfats allowed to commit crimes with little more than a slap on the wrist>Plaza Accords leading to lost decade>forced into cloning F-16s instead of being allowed a fully indigenous fighter jet program>serves as Washington's "unsinkable carrier" and meat shield to contain China>now getting tariffed and forced to buy shitty mutt autosSomeday the sun will rise again though.
>>216641581>OccupationSir please edit this sir we were allies..- With love from Bangkok
>>216642238It doesn't say occupied, it says Axis-controlled you illiterate. We were part of the Axis.
>>216642170They didn't. Japan literally could not fight back something like 80-90% of their oil was imported, mostly from the US. They lost their entire navy very quickly, had no response to bombers, and even had to suffer naval invasions that they couldn't defend against. When the war was over the US tried remilitarizing them when they thought China was going to flip socialist. Japan had no oil of its own and the only thing that could make them a threat was the USSR, which Japan also hated. To this day the US wants to remilitarize Japan, I don't even know why they passed article 9 the FBI called MacArthur a commie loving socialist and it cost him any chance at winning an election, Truman demanded he leave Japan they were so asshurt over the constitution it's ridiculous.
>>216642256It does.
>>216642289And despite all that they really scared the shit out of America, so much that during 80s burgerlards were freaking out again over the possibility of a resurgent Japan and kneecapped its industry by launching a trade war very similar to what they tried (but failed) to do to China today. Honestly it looks like China learned from the lessons of being too dependent on mutts so they avoided being another burger vassal.
>>216642317Show me where.
>>216642376They really didn't the Plaza Accords were signed by 5 nations all they did was appreciate currency. If Japan was broken by something like this then that means their entire economy was dependent on exporting, basically a banana republic in all but name. They did captive importing in the 1970s until Europe demanded that the US kick off the training wheels, Europe was more mad about Japan than the US. Also the US helped to build that industry to begin with, Japan was a parking lot after the war, in the 1960s the yen was pegged to the USD. No other nation had this kind of favoritism, then when China accepted Dengist economic reforms the US decides to ship industry off to China and pretends Japan was the cause of it.
>>2166423761. They didn't, just really pissed us off. Even japan knew they were fighting on borrowed time. By midway everyone knew how the story was going to end2. The trade war was not related to a ressergent imperial japan
>>216642493>>216642500Admit it, they scared the shit out of you. That's why you dropped two nukes on them and lost your fucking minds in the 80s when they started excelling at carts and electronics. To be fair, it was probably before your time but luckily we have evidence from that era.Also>Plaza didn't break them and if it did they deserved itlol lmao best ally, no wonder China decided to flip the script on golemutts instead of rolling over like Japan.
>>216642650Two nukes? The firebombs did more damage, the only reason for the nukes was to scare off Soviets from invading, the US thought it would be a north/south Korea situation. You must understand that the only thing the US is terrified of are things it doesn't want to address. They never DIRECTLY call out the USSR just like they never call out Russia today. Why? Because the USSR/Russia could end the US oil monopoly whenever it wanted, the only thing keeping the US in the game was the fact that people hated the Soviets/Russia and even despite this to this day the US government continues to appease them. China had a sub-saharan African GDP in the 90s, they're irrelevant, where people choose to develop is entirely within the realm of finance economic nationalism is an illusion. The reality is oil, it's always been about energy resources.
>>216642785>firebombs did more damageCumulatively, not in a single run. I swear mutts are so scripted they're basically NPC bots.
>>216642785>China had a sub-saharan African GDP in the 90s>had>90sAnd now they're dominating. And it used to be about oil, now it's China that controls the energy sectors going forward.
>>216642809In total by far the firebombs did more damage and it's not even close. The amount of payload a nuke had was about the same capacity as a single bombing run of a B-27. It was theatrics done to establish MAD, so there would be 0 chance of a Soviet ground invasion.
>>216642856Yes, America was scared it not only nuked Japan but firebombed it too. Thank you for agreeing with me.
>>216642854No China imports most of its energy from Russia. Making solar panels doesn't power heavy industry oil, coal, and natural gas do. That's quite literally the only reason Russia is still relevant. China is still, by its own admission, developing if they're not producing something or spamming public works then World Bank/WEF/IMF would be very upset with them, but they don't have to care because they just import food and energy from Russia who is hated by international finance and has 0 debts.
>>216642878I'm saying the nukes were trivial in comparison to the firebombs. You were acting like the nukes was some sign of special attention and not a political maneuver to establish MAD. There was no need for them, it was very over by around 1942-1943 Japan just refused to surrender and ate firebombs while doing absolutely nothing to retaliate. Their navy was out of commission by around 1941.
>>216642891You're wrong of course, though to be fair that's most midwits who choose to argue with me.>>216642923Now that we've established America was terrified of Japan, likely because it was the only country to ever attack US soil (albeit annexed illegally), I think the irony of America being so scared of Japan that it kept it effectively kept the country paralyzed so it was never powerful enough to pose even a remote threat is that it ultimately sabotaged US hegemony in the long run. It allowed China to gradually dominate Asia and now with America surrendering new energy sectors, it dominates the world.
>>216642996>China is a major energy importer and is the world's largest importer of crude oil and a top importer of natural gas and coal. While China is the world's largest coal producer, its massive domestic demand for oil and gas means it imports significant portions of its supply, which accounts for about 85% of its oil consumption, 40% of its natural gas, and 7% of its coal. And no I don't see how Japan was terrifying when its entire military ran on imported oil. I wish socialists were real, everyone is reactionary they look for imagined human interactions rather than thinking that much of politics is scripted and performative. Electricity alone doesn't power heavy industry, it's limited severely by battery capacity, it's fine for small scale stuff, but almost every country produces more electricity than it needs.
>>216642289>US wants to remilitarize JapanBuying more american yes, building own no
>>216641581Here's a good lecture on Japan in WW2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znk5QINe01A
>>216643129I'd love to see where you got the 85% figure because that's not reflected in any actual source. Meanwhile, China imports almost as much oil from Saudi Arabia as it does from Russia so no, most of its energy doesn't come from Russia. And again you're ignoring that renewables are only generating a greater share of Chinese energy capacity year-on-year, not less. The reason Americans are abandoning new energy sectors is because it knows China already dominates them and will only continue dominating them, hence America trying to revert back to fossil fuels and punishing any country trying to invest in cleaner energy. It's completely ass backwards. Really shows how far the US has fallen when it was the first to pioneer thorium reactors, only to abandon them and now China is leading the way in thorium innovation.
>>216643205>tf>tpChecks out.
>>216643313https://www.trade.gov/energy-resource-guide-china-oil-and-gasRenewables can't power heavy industry and electricity is already abundant, China can sell it to countries that don't produce it, but that's about it. Also the US doesn't abandon new energy sectors, they just don't export much there's no reason to upscale everything unless you want to sell it to Africa or what have you. Saudi Arabia is the entire reason the USD is the world reserve, Russia is China's out from needing to rely on the USD because they export almost as much as Sauds do. Thorium is an ITER project, it's handled internationally and it's an offshoot of nuclear which again mostly produces electricity. The bottleneck is battery capacity, there's almost no developed country that has problems with generating electricity.
>>216643378>Renewables can't power heavy industry You keep saying this but you never explain why. Why do you think renewables can't power heavy industry?
>>216643440>The bottleneck is battery capacityI did. If someone made a miracle battery with infinite capacity and reformatted all of heavy industry like steel or what have you to run on electricity. Then we've reached utopia status, literal idealistic communism. Dismantle all states we now have infinite wealth the only limitation after that would be arable land and fresh water.
>>216643515Except the battery industry is only growing and accelerating, with the cost of battery storage falling, making it more feasible to pair with renewables. For example, in industrial uses, battery energy storage systems (BESS) are being deployed to help manage peaks, provide backup, and facilitate integration of renewables into manufacturing or heavy-energy-consuming processes. These include second-life EV batteries being used for industrial storage.So what you really mean is renewables face greater technical, economic and infrastructure challenges in heavy industry but can and increasingly will play a substantial role. And if anything, America should be getting ahead of it instead of giving up and leaving China to increasingly lead the charge in dominating these sectors. It's funny because America's attitude used to be that it can do anything. Now its attitude is that it can only do increasingly outmoded and obsolete things.
>>216643552Ok? The point is the amount batteries you need to match oil and gas is far more effort to produce than simply importing oil and gas. The reason the US pissed itself after Thorium is because it still relies on Uranium and there's a certain nation that starts with the letter R that has a major presence in exporting Uranium. In fact most of the US' nuclear programs rely on this nation that starts with the letter R. So that's why, despite the US having around 20% of its electricity generated by nuclear it became afraid of nuclear the second the USD was threatened by Russia breaking off from the world order. Virtually all of these conflicts start around 2014-2016 which is when the problems in Ukraine started flaring up. The US is so terrified of Russian gas they bombed Nordstream, then blamed it on its own client state. The US is definitely on its way out make no mistake, but I'm not seeing China as the threat. Also if everyone used thorium that cements whoever controls Uranium exports as the major player in energy. And all of this is assuming that the tech needed to completely renovate industry is invented and you can have massive batteries that allow something like a steel mill to run entirely on electric. The alternative is deindustrializing and scaling down industry but no one wants that. Not even Europe.
>>216641581not a single axis country had a real strategy, they were all just insane gamblers who got initially lucky thanks to being completely reckless fascism is when a pit of opportunistic snakes takes total control of the countrysuch environment can never result in competent leadership https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_iNUXhrfw
>>216643657The reason China is winning on thorium is because set up a clear strategic mission and stuck with it. In 2011, the Chinese Academy of Sciences formally launched an R&D program for thorium molten-salt reactors and committed to building prototypes, using them as part of a broader goal of reducing dependence on imported uranium, enhancing energy security, managing coal‐fired power reduction and exploiting domestic thorium resources. They also assembled large numbers of researchers and funding to push the technology. Compare this to America where the Molten Salt Reactor Experiment at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in the 60s stagnated and got shelved in favor of more commercialized uranium/light-water reactors.Additionally, China has significant thorium resources (including as a byproduct of its large rare-earth mining operations), which gives the fuel‐cycle legs. They also selected sites like the Gobi desert where water is scarce and molten-salt reactors’ advantages (less reliance on large cooling-water supplies, high temperature operations, etc etc) become strategic. Moreover, they have fewer legacy constraints. Because China’s nuclear infrastructure and markets are still expanding quickly, they can more readily adopt new reactor designs rather than being locked into large fleets of existing light-water reactors like in America. It's funny you say you don't see China as a threat when it's the other way around. The inability of Americans to maintain any cogent industrial policy effectively means you no longer pose any credible threat to China. It's literally impossible for Americans to diversify away from Chinese rare earth and critical mineral processing/refining, good luck with getting ahead on energy generation and capacity, which is also what guarantees China victory in the AI race.
>>216643876Thorium is still nuclear fission it relies on uranium no matter how you spin it and it's not a national project, it's international. China just wanted to invest in it because it's in their interested because they're right near Kazakstan which produces like 40% of the world's uranium. Does this change anything for every other country? No, electricity isn't particularly scarce. Do rare earths matter? No they're primarily used for wind turbines and solar panels, if you had a thorium reactor it would render much of that renewable energy redundant. Maybe you could sell the panels and wind turbines to countries that could use them and would prefer them to nuclear. Like Denmark for instance, but that's about it. Everything past that point is all oil and gas. China is largely not a threat if all that we're talking about is electricity, if sanctions on Russia end and the they don't want to trade in USD. Boom. Done. No more superpower, just like that. Everything else is trivial, it's that simple, no amount of energy development projects outside of a battery that can compete with oil will make a difference.
>>216643977Actually, certain designs attempt to use thorium as the fertile material and then rely less on, say, the same uranium-235 dominated fuel cycle. So yes, uranium (or other fissile material) can still play a role but the innovation is in changing the fuel cycle, the coolant/fuel architecture (molten salt, thorium), and the resource base. That matters a lot for strategy and global energy architecture. The Kazakh shit is just plain asspully on your part since China’s involvement is much deeper and based on strategic planning rather than just “we’re near uranium”. As I said, China launched its R&D program on thorium molten-salt reactors as far back as 2011 and its ambitions include securing full intellectual property rights on the technology. And yes, that changes EVERYTHING. China isn't just investing in thorium reactors, and it is simultaneously dominating renewables manufacturing, rare-earth/mineral supply chains, battery production, etc. All that means China is shaping the global energy transition and thus the strategic playing field for other countries.>if you had a thorium reactor it would render much of that renewable energy redundant. Bullshit. Even if thorium reactors mature, they wouldn't instantly make solar, wind, batteries, etc redundant. The transition to renewables isn't just about electricity generation but also manufacturing, supply chains, exports, grid storage, integration, extreme scale, and decentralized generation. China dominates manufacturing of solar modules, wind turbines, key components and processing of critical minerals that go into renewable equipment. So the idea that “renewables will be irrelevant because thorium reactors will take over” doesn’t match what the evidence shows since we’re looking at parallel transitions (nuclear fuel-cycle innovation + renewables + batteries + supply-chain leadership), not a zero-sum where one makes the other obsolete. tl:dr your way of thinking is why America is losing.
>>216644144There's no scarcity for electricity. The US isn't losing to China it's losing hegemony because it can't compete with Russia having pipelines everywhere. There's no boat that's faster than a pipeline. No one cares if you can generate electricity if there's already a production glut for it. Even if you had nuclear fusion and literally infinite electricity generation your weight to energy conversion is entirely based on your battery capacity. Right now look up 'what's the biggest limitation to electricity' and you'll see that it has nothing to do with generating electricity and everything to do with storing it. Why are you so hung up on this third worldist nationalism? Why can't you just admit that the conflict is between the US and Russia? I can listen to Trump talk about China all the time, but whenever someone asks him to call out Russia he stops taking questions. That's the state of the US right now, proxy conflicts. Russia has China and the US has Ukraine, but Russia clearly has the advantage because of superior logistics and the ability to send oil and gas anywhere through direct pipelines. Also almost all nuclear infrastructure is reliant on them providing fuel/uranium. Serious question, are you a wumao? I don't see why you're so fixated on China to the point of forgetting you need uranium to produce fissile material to begin with and completely ignore the role storage plays in electricity as an energy source.
>>216644335Abundance of capacity doesn’t mean there's no strategic value in how electricity is generated, how resilient the system is, who controls the technologies, and how the infrastructure links to international supply chains. The energy transition isn’t just about being able to flip a switch but also how you build the system, manufacture the components, control the supply chain, and who has the competitive advantage.China has shipped nearly US$1 trillion worth of clean-energy products like solar panels, batteries, wind systems and more since 2018, which means they’re not just generating electricity but making the machinery of generation, storage and grid infrastructure for the world. And you're right, that's not a threat to America because in the end the world wins. America only sees it as a threat because it means the erosion of US hegemony, which I think we can agree is a good thing overall.The reason you think I'm focusing on China is because you keep deliberately ignoring how China is already dominating in manufacture, exports, technology leadership of clean energy, which shifts the strategic balance. Every time I try to point that out, you evade, so I'm going to keep calling you out because I'm not a fan of bad faith argumentation.
>>216644559There's no point in dominating in sectors where there's no scarcity unless you're focusing solely on exports. If China wants to build up countries that need them more power to them, I love them for that. But the idea that every country is competing in exports is patently third worldist, China is a developing country by its own admission and focuses on exports, other countries don't do this and instead focus on how to create a market for emerging tech. I don't want to argue about who sends more shit that everyone has to countries that don't have it, this is like some 18th century mercantilism. Nuclear is clean energy too and that's been available since the mid 1900s, it's just moving around uranium and actually powering industry relies on improving batteries, which turned out to be a major stopping point. You haven't even mentioned Russia once you just list off shit that every country has and that China exports, sincerely who cares. There's no one who sees China as a threat to the petrodollar China doesn't export oil or gas and there's no one who offers a better weight to energy alternative than oil. Perhaps if all countries completely deindustrialized you could say electricity can run everything, but even still you wouldn't need China because everyone has so much of it.
>>216644662Again, it’s not just about exports but building a structural advantage in manufacturing, supply-chain control, cost leadership, technical design and global reach. That structural edge changes how other countries respond. And many countries are now competing in exports of clean-energy technologies, which obviously matters because control of manufacturing, components, batteries, rare-earths, solar panels, turbines isn’t just about “helping others,” it’s about how global value is captured, how technological standards get set and how dependency is created.As for being a threat to the petrodollar, the future of energy is already shifting from just oil/gas pipelines toward clean-tech, manufacturing, electrification, grid infrastructure, batteries, renewables & advanced reactors where China is already deeply entrenched. Again, you bring up batteries, which is impossible to talk about without pointing out China controls around 85% of the world’s cell production capacity. I don't know why you keep insisting cornered markets are supposed to be trivial, immaterial or inconsequential.
>>216641581Japan merely resisted European aggression.Had it done nothing, Japan too would have been colonized.
>>216644744In terms of supply chain control there's no one nation that controls it. China imports things like integrated circuits and other components, then manufactures the end product. And the production of batteries isn't the issue, it's the energy to weight ratio compared to oil. Every country can produce batteries if they have the resources for it, the amount of production (and fuel) you need to produce the batteries themselves as they are right now cannot compete with oil. There's no cornered market apart from energy, everything about China is neoliberal they comply with global supply chains they use them primarily for exports. Energy, specifically raw resources, is the one thing that every government doesn't leave up to markets, that's a defense issue. It's squarely outside the zone of economics. At some point you must realize that every single issue the US has had revolves around Russia. Prior to 2016 the US was best friend with China, then they get too close to Russia and immediately relations sour. Same thing with Germany. Oh you're buying gas from Russia? Shame if that pipeline disappeared. Now even Japan bought from Russia for the first time ever in 2023. Like you'd have to be blind to not see it and take Trump's tariff wars over useless shit and senile rants about China seriously, then putting his foot in his mouth when talking about anything east of Poland.
>>216642493Germany could export to the rest of a rapidly deindustrializing Europe. The other two Euros, the UK and France, weren't heavy industrial exporters, so it didn't matter for them. Japan really only had America for easy exporting and was competing against the US's other two shill jobs in Korea and Taiwan. Not a comfy position to be in when your competitiveness was just nuked.
>>216645499Again, you're undervaluing how much China is already embedded and dominating key parts of the new energy system (batteries, processed minerals, EV manufacturing, renewables manufacturing). Also by focusing only on pipelines/fossils you miss the broader strategic sweep, specifically that whoever leads the manufacturing, technologies and supply chains of the clean-energy transition will hold major leverage in the decades to come. The argument that “everything past pipelines is trivial” or that China is merely a passive export‐oriented player with no leverage is a non-starter because it's simply false.
>>216641581Japan was fighting a defensive war to liberate Asia. Learn real history
>>216642014Japan, Manchukuo, Mengjiang, Reorganized National Government of the Republic of China, Thailand, Second Philippine Republic etc were all Axis members
>>216642133US started the war
>>216643705basically truegermany got insanely lucky in 1939-1940 in that their main opponents were absolutely desperate to not have to go to war, and were completely unprepared for the advances in technology and doctrine since ww1then their stunning, unheard of victories meant the generals of the heer who were previously realistic and grounded about their capabilities began believing their own hype and suddenly thought they could take on the USSR in the same way as france
>>216642170>>continued US occupation of OkinawaOkinawa was given back to Japan in 1972>>burgerfats allowed to commit crimes with little more than a slap on the wristUS military police have been stepping up their efforts to stop US military personnel committing crimes in Japan (though it still is a problem and source of controversy)>>Plaza Accords leading to lost decadeYeah that was a scumbag move by the US. Now instead of competing with Japan (a friendly nation) they're competing with China (an enemy nation)>>forced into cloning F-16s instead of being allowed a fully indigenous fighter jet programNot true. Japan has other fighter jets including the F4 and more recently the F-35. Whilst it's true that these are American jets other branches of the JSDF have home made weapons (such as the JGSDF which uses Japanese made Type 74, Type 10 and Type 90 tanks)>>serves as Washington's "unsinkable carrier" and meat shield to contain ChinaIf anything the US forces in Japan are a meat shield to protect Japan from China>>now getting tariffed and forced to buy shitty mutt autosTrump imposing tariffs is nothing new. The US-Japan alliance is being strengthened by Trump and Takaichi who have become friends with one another
>>216641953They did have plans and they stubbornly stuck with the plan. Their lightning movement in SEA thanks to planning but their failure after is also due to sticking the outdated plans
>>216642856Firebombs don't cause radiation sickness. Futhermore, it only takes one atomic bomb to destroy an entire city. This is why atomic bombs are worse
>>216645452This
Japs are buckbroken hard
>>216647363
>>216646236None of this is true, jeet. Learn to apply a modicum of critical thought.
this navy faggot wants japanese people point real bad
The military acted on its own, and the civil government couldn't rein them in when it came to Manchuria. It was basically a mercenary band getting drunk on ideological imperialism and going berserk. Japan launched a very skillful war when it came to fighting Russia, because all institutions acted in concordance.
>>216642014The 'axis' is typically defined by the anti-comintern pact of 1936.
>>216641581pleasu understando the ija and ijn were run by two competing ex-samurai clans
>>216647737The Kantō Army only acted without consent from the government during the Manchuria Incident. Japan's military campaigns during the China Incident and Greater East Asia War were ordered by the Konoe and Tojo governments respectively
>>216647470Yes it is. If it's untrue then refute it>jeetI'm British
>>216647363>>216647395>Year three of the three day special military operation
>>216648444The Mukden incident is what ignited the second Sino-Japanese war. The Diet was left holding the bag on how to handle the situation.
>arguing with the resident Thai chink hapa retardSurprised that the thread managed to survive this long.
>>216648476UK is also buckbroken hard
>>216643705>Japan economic problem: still dependent of Imports - 91% of military resourcesIt seems the resource problem is entirely the military's doing. If Japan weren't expanding their military so much they wouldn't need so much resources and have some degree of self-sufficiency
>>216641581they had fun in nanking though
>>216642256fun fact:thailand joined Axis at the ass end of ww2 just to save themselves from the retreating japs
>>216649393Thailand joined the Axis in 1941 when the war started
>>216649317Nanking massacre never happened
>>216648733Not as much as Russia. Pootin tells Russians to die in a pointless war and they do it without question
>>216648587R*ddit meme, go back
>>216648531Second Sino-Japanese War began in 1937 with the Marco Polo Bridge Incident and Tongzhou Massacre
We threw so many Asians under bus just for a brief moment of not getting fucked over by the WestoidsThat brief period between Matthew Perry's arrival and the Hull Note really showed that Japan couldn't do shit without appeasing the BurgersSad...but fortunately we ended up becoming firsties while so many POC failed. I guess in order to progress as a respectable nation, you really have to be a dick
>>216648454You're obviously jeet.
