Where do modern day Slavs come from? I can't find them on this roman times map
>>216803447some bog in Belarusnot shitposting btw
>>216803447Both romans and ummayads didnt settle that far south into morocco idk why these meme maps keep digging more into the sahara every time
>>216803447don't you have it literally written in your map?
>>216803524Trvke. Meknes was right on the border.
>>216803447Venedi probably
>>216803447the Pripyat marshes, where Chernobyl is located
>>216803447>roman timesI thought slavs migrated to Europe from Asian steppes mostly around IV-V century
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>>216803547you means that Slaves picture under baltic peoples?
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>>216803575The Slavs had lived in Europe as long as their closest relatives the Balts, so since the early iron age. They were influenced by the Iranian Sarmatians and Scythians (ie the modern Slovene and SC word for thank you, hvala, is related to a Middle Persian word)
>>216803575>>216803574>>216803490>>216803582d you mean the slavs were to the germans what the germans were to the romans o algo?
>>216803447They came from borderlands of modern Ukraine, Belarus and Poland and were basically group of Iranized Balts back then. What happened they become fully fledged group we don't know
>>216803640The Slav name for Germans is Nemci, literally something like “the mute ones” or “the ones who don’t speak our language”.
>>216803593I'm not a super experts on old tribe sbut i know that map is bullshit since Marcomanni were a part of Suebi.
>>216803640the Slavs were not aggressive like the Germanics, they were simple agriculturalists who by some accounts had not yet learned to work iron by the 7th century
>>216803640No the germans had already migrated westward and vacated most of the areas the slavs settled in.
>>216803447They were created by Satan to punish us for our sins
>>216803719the Goths did rule over the Slavs for a while until they were chased away by the Huns
>>216803763Krauts did more to destroy their own people than anybody else did
>>216803697On the map they are indicated as Germanics, this can be guessed by the color of their name.
Why did slavs immigrate westwards and why do all these wypipo groups keep moving as south and north of europe as possible ? Genetic memory ?
>>216803828>Why did slavs immigrate westwardsFree real estate.
>>216803828Endless hordes of steppeniggers have been pushing into Europe for thousands of years, creating a never-ending pressure on everybody already living in Europe
>>216803828>why do all these wypipo groups keep moving as southguess nobody likes living in frozen shitholes so the weakest ones were left with the most shitty lands (eg finns)
>>216803828one big factor in the expansion of the Slavs was the arrival of the Avars into Europe after the remaining Huns turned into the Bolghars and migrated towards modern Kazan, and the Avars relied on large numbers of Slavs as cannon fodder and agricultural base.
>>216803828Atilla
>>216803713The Slavs were warlike and aggressive, like all barbarian peoples of that time. Read about the Slavic conquest of the Thracian city of Topir during the invasion of the Balkans.
>>216804000>like all barbarian peoples of that timeAs opposed to whom? The Romans who just yeeted Corinth out of existence for lulz?
>>216803828why do africans immigrate to europe?
>>216803938Finland is definitely an upgrade over siberia atleast
>>216804000one Greek or Roman author described the Slavs fleeing into the bogs of their native swamps when attacked and breathing through reed stalks while submerged underwater until the danger had passed
>>216803447Most commonly agreed theory is the border of Ukraine and Belarus, around Pripyat. Eastern Poland and the Vistula river is also sometimes claimed. Contemporary Slavs are also mixed with all kinds of Slavenized people that found their way
>>216803447idc i don't associate myself with Slavs as long as Russians do that
>>216804168Yeah, subhuman Poles LARPing as everything else but what they are in reality is a common phenomenon
>>216804016The Romans had a professional army, but among the "barbarian" peoples of that time, every adult male was a warrior, that's the difference.>>216804135>The Sclaveni, however, did not accede to the Byzantine-Antine agreement and continued their devastating raids on the empire's lands. In 547, they invaded Illyricum, plundering, killing, and capturing the inhabitants. They even managed to capture many fortresses previously considered impregnable, none of which offered resistance. The entire province was paralyzed with terror. The archons of Illyricum, with an army of 15,000 at their command, nevertheless avoided approaching the enemy and merely followed them at a distance, watching events unfold.>The following year, disaster repeated itself. Although the Slavs this time numbered no more than 3,000 and their force was divided in two, the Roman troops that engaged them in battle were "unexpectedly," as Procopius says, defeated. The Byzantine cavalry commander and emperor's bodyguard, Aswad, was captured by the Slavs and met a horrific death: he was burned to death after being cut from his back with belts. The Slavs then spread across the Thracian and Illyrian regions and besieged numerous fortresses, "although they had never stormed walls before." During the siege of Topira, for example, they resorted to a military ruse. After luring the garrison out of the city with a feigned retreat, the Slavs surrounded and destroyed it, after which they rushed en masse to assault it. The inhabitants attempted to defend themselves, but were driven from the walls by a hail of arrows, and the Slavs, placing ladders against the wall, stormed into the city. Topira's population was partly massacred, partly enslaved.There are many different historical sources, this is described in the works of Procopius of Caesarea.
>>216804319Roman accounts always emphasize the strenght of barbarians forces if they win ( to brag) or lose (to cope)
>>216804319>The Romans had a professional army, but among the "barbarian" peoples of that time, every adult male was a warrior, that's the difference.So? And the Romans were pacifists before Marius' reforms? What?
>>216804319>emperor's bodyguard, Aswadwtf, Aswad is Arabic for 'black', and also the name of a really good reggae band
>>216804319there is a theory that the Germanic warrior aristocracy was an imitation of the Roman army, with the typical feudal lord's red cape being a distant memory of the centurion's cape and the castle of the castrum. The formerly unwarlike Slavs too may have lived in Wallachia for a generation or two and been pushed around by the Byzantine border guards for a bit until they learned to imitate them.
>>216804319VGH, basedAnyway, these texts are all half-memes, anyway. The moment the local lords made peace with Slavs, they started calling Slavs peaceful and hospitable. Describe your enemies as bad, describe your allies as good, story as old as civilization.
>>216804422That's true.Although I've read some descriptions of the Scythians and Sarmatians by the ancient Greeks where the latter were described as fat, weak, and infertile, which is perfectly understandable given the shitty sedentary lifestyle of a horseman.I think it was Hippocrates or pseudo-Hippocrates.
>>216804472>>216804568There have never been any non-aggressive or non-warlike peoples in Europe. Those same early EEF populations (initially thought to be matriarchal pacifists) later turned out to have practiced human sacrifice, despite being poor fighters.
>>216804000you were truly untill mongols raped you, its their legacy not slavs
>>216805358By the way, there are no similar historical sources about the Fingols>>216804319, I mean that the Romans never called you fierce.
>>216805540Why would they care about some frozen faraway shithole with population density of 1 schizo per square km, did Romans even know that the Baltic sea is landlocked and you can't leave it withot crossing Danish straights?
>>216805662The Romans, of course, hardly knew of their existence.
>>216803447Compare with modern white americans, there's the anglo ethnic root but they're a different thing now. The slavs are the same, while having an original ethnicity, they absorbed many peoples when spreading (it's why they spread so fast) and became a cultural/linguistic group.
>>216803447They seemingly came from around the border between Ukraine and BELARUSEIt's actually amazing how little we know about these guys prior to contact with the Romans and the Germans
>>216806122i think Slavs were already described by Herodotus, the father of history as 'agricultural Scythians' in modern day Ukraineits just they weren't really Slavs yet
>>216806766they were Sarmacie kurwa and they had a habit of saying ale co to pierdolisz and dressing like the Ottomans
>>216806813co ty pierdolisz czarnuch
>>216806872črnuh is also a Slovenian slur...it's almost as though we're...related...somehow...despite you being Sarmatian and all
>>216806914do you have murzyn
>>216807041no, only zamorec
>>216804000>>216804319>>216804587VGH>Each year, the Huns [Avars] came to the Slavs, to spend the winter with them; then they took the wives and daughters of the Slavs and slept with them, and among the other mistreatments [already mentioned] the Slavs were also forced to pay levies to the Huns. But the sons of the Huns, who were [then] raised with the wives and daughters of these Wends could not finally endure this oppression anymore and refused obedience to the Huns and began, as already mentioned, a rebellion. When now the Wendish army went against the Huns, the [aforementioned] merchant Samo accompanied the same. And so Samo's bravery proved itself in wonderful ways and a huge mass of Huns fell to the sword of the Wends.>Chronicle of Fredegar, Book IV, Section 48, written c.642>A genetic study published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology in 2018 examined 62 individuals buried in the 8th and 9th centuries at an Avar-Slavic burial in Cífer‐Pác, Slovakia.[52] Of the 46 samples of mtDNA extracted, 93% belonged to west Eurasian lineages, while 6% belonged to east Eurasian lineages.[53] The amount of east Eurasian lineages was higher than among modern European populations, but lower than what has been found in other genetic studies on the Avars.[54] The mtDNA of the examined individuals was found to be quite similar to medieval and modern Slavs, and it was suggested that the mixed population examined had emerged through intermarriage between Avar males and Slavic females.[55]
>>216807413>A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in November 2019 examined the remains of fourteen Avar males. Eleven of them were dated to the early Avar period, and three were dated to the middle and late Avar period.[56] The eleven early Avar males were found to be carrying the paternal haplogroups N1a1a1a1a3 (four samples), N1a1a (two samples), R1a1a1b2a (two samples), C2, G2a, and I1.[56] The three males dated to the middle and late Avar period carried the paternal haplogroups C2, N1a1a1a1a3 and E1b1b1a1b1a.[56] In short, most carried "East Eurasian Y haplogroups typical for modern north-eastern Siberian and Buryat populations". The Avars studied were all determined to have had dark eyes and dark hair, and the majority of them were found to be primarily of East Asian origin.[57]>A genetic study published in scientific journal Cell in April 2022 analyzed 48 Pannonian Avar samples from the early, middle and late period, and found nearly all of them to have a high level of Ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) ancestry. The paternal lineage N1a1a1a1a3a-F4205 was most common (today highest percent of haplogroup N-F4205 was found in Dukha people of Mongolia with 52.2%[62]), with Q1a, Q1b, R1a, R1b and E1b subclades present in smaller numbers. The samples had a strong affinity with modern peoples inhabiting the region from Mongolia to the Amur, with a historical Rouran Khaganate sample, and with samples from Xiongnu-Xianbei periods in the eastern Asian steppe.[41] The Avar individuals showed their highest genetic affinity with present-day Mongolic and Tungusic peoples, as well as Nivkhs.[42]
>>216807413>>216807482Who cares?They died out, leaving no descendants.
>>216807735Their descendants call themselves Hungarian today
>>216808033There is no East Asian admixture, genetically speaking.
>>216803828Slavs didn't move west they just expanded everywhere. They combined their agricultural skills, cratmenship (weapon production) and high fertility to become culturally dominant in every place they expanded into.
>>216808188It was also a case of regression to the mean. Civilization had failed for the Roman provincial and then the Slav comes along and says 'Take my hand, let's farm buckwheat together'. I mean, the ancestors of the Slovenes are known to have enslaved the Romans and had separate cemetaries for centuries (and the term 'kršenica' for maid endured into the 19th century, as the Romans were Christian and their masters were pagan), but modern Slovenes are at least 1/4 Italo-Balkan, so mixing must have occured when the Germans conquered us.
