How much non-European ancestral (or modern) admixture would make someone non-white, iyc?
>26%That's quite shocking
>>216940291How is this shit even calculated??
>>216940291do they consider anatolian neolitic farmers european?
>>216940316To be fair, most of those non-Euro populations are close to the "European" ones (WHG, EHG, WSH, ANF). Subsaharan, Amerindian and East-Asian admixtures are the furthest from the European ones.
>>216940405The average White Brazilian is ~86% European. According to that map that's already whiter than half of Italy. The fact that the non-Euro blood in Italy is technically closer to Euro than the non-Euro blood in Brazilians doesn't seem to help making their phenotypes look more stereotypically "white". That's very interesting. I didn't even think Italian numbers where like that.
These are the numbers for subsaharan mixture only, not counting nafri, jew, arab or other darkies.
>>216940291@grok is this real
>>216940291Was hoping the Norman's raped the Arab out of Italy. Evidently not
>Yoruba
>>216940291.
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>>216940906>we're branco o algo>cherrypicked picturelol
>>216941117If you read the picture you'd know it's not about Arab admixture
>>216941235It's more of a Phoenician admixture, although the Arabs can also be modeled through the Natufians + Iberomaurosian.
>>216941305Are you the ethnicity schizo or another Russian anon?
1% or more
>>216941360I have a good understanding of population genetics.
>>216940291>yoruba
>>216940906Dude, your "~86% European" includes southern Europeans as 100% European. That's what 23andme and similar ancestry services do as well. The op pic is about deeper historical ancestry.That said, op pic is probably inaccurate anyways, because it's using meme25
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>>216941593>quel pepemannaggia il CRISTO
>>216941593Fuckin ditsoon
>>216940995DNA models fail into dividing ancient genetics, they don´t know to which group they should asign certain dna segments.In other studies Sweden 0.55 has the same "subsaharan" as Spaniards. It is probably just basal DNA from the out-of-africa period.The same for some Spaniards getting 5-10% ""northafrican"" when the most probably cause is just Neolithic shared DNA and this is why galicians have the highest because they retain the purest ancient genetics (less mixing).
>>216940291It's a matter of blood. It depends on which ancestor has the most influence on you and your body. I believe that properly performed regular rituals of ancestor worship can strengthen the blood of those ancestors in you whom you honor more. In the fight between the black wolf and the white wolf, the one whom you feeds the most wins, and the color of wolf is the not important thing. Consider the nature around you. Being a white guy in the equator belt is bad, because the Sun is hot there, it's dangerous for the white guy, because there is a risk of skin cancer.
>>216941083>>216941175>>216941235>>216941593>>216941692South Brazilian girl with Bianchin family nameCould she pass as a local iyc (in your city)?
>>216940291They're ital8an chuds! Their paperwork says so!
>>216940359The pic is not mine, but I'm guessing it's G25. I'm outside, when I come back home I'll show you how.>>216940906>~86% EuropeanI don't know the study where you got that number from, but my guess is that it includes as European any (already mixed) modern ethnic group in Europe, instead of reducing it to WSH, ANF, WHG.Think about it. Most European admixture in Brazilians comes from Italy and Iberia. To reach an 86% European admixture, Brazilians would have to be something like 100% Italian or 90% Iberian, which is far-fetched, as you can imagine.>>216940995Those numbers seem inflated to me.
>>216942003>I don't know the study where you got that number from, but my guess is that it includes as European any (already mixed) modern ethnic group in Europe, instead of reducing it to WSH, ANF, WHG.It's probably more accurate than something like 23andme but less accurate than European studies with ancient populationshttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3153000/>Think about it. Most European admixture in Brazilians comes from Italy and Iberia. To reach an 86% European admixture, Brazilians would have to be something like 100% Italian or 90% Iberian, which is far-fetched, as you can imagine.I said white Brazilians not all Brazilians. Pardo Brazilians are much lower on Euro DNA. And Brazil as a whole is also closer to pardo Brazilian Euro DNA average than white Brazilian Euro DNA average because there's more more non-white Brazilians (pardo, black, amerindian, asian, middle eastern) in total than white BraziliansKeep in mind white Brazilians means genetic studied and not self-declaredAlso keep in mind white Brazilians either look very similar to Iberians (like Kaká) or have a lighter complexion due to German, Eastern European, and Northen Italian admixture so it seems to corroborate with the numbers considering that someone lower than 80% Euro DNA will likely be visibly mixed
>>216940906>senhoor we’re Italian and white >actually Italians aren’t white o algõ
>>216940291VGH sardiniansthe most pure europeans of allhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3f-Ns08Hxw
>>216942654>It's probably more accurate than something like 23andme but less accurate than European studies with ancient populationsIt's somewhat fluid how they define European in some studies. As I said, if you narrow it down to WSH, ANF, WHG, many modern Europeans won't be 100% European.>I said white Brazilians not all Brazilians.I was talking just about white Brazilians. 100% (average) Italian is something like 88% European. 100% (average) Iberian is something like 95% European. If white Brazilians were 86% European, they would have to be something like 100% Italian or 90% Iberian. So, as you can guess, the 86% or white Brazilians is probably referring to already mixed populations.>white Brazilians either look very similar to IberiansNot necessarily. They look white but many times there's somethig off about their faces. They don't have phenos that are that common here.>or have a lighter complexion Oh, c'mon. Blond Brazilians are proportionally way less common than blond Iberians or even blond Southern Italians. And Eastern European and German admixture is probably very low, they weren't that common back when Europeans were migrating to Brazil.
>>216940291Southern Italians are genetically the closest people to ancient Greeks, if you call them non white then every single Greek philosopher is brown
>>216940291Why is Sardinia less mutted than Corsica ?
>>216942958Yes, we have the genome of Ancient Greeks and they were even further away from the European cluster than modern Greeks. This is why I have an inclusive view of whiteness, so as to take into our race as many historical feats as posible. Jews are white, for instance.
>>216943062European Jews are only half southern European, that’s way too inclusive
>>216942958ancient greeks were nordic o algo
>>216940291Why would a mentally ill russian jew like you make shit up about italians specifically?Didn't you had enough with the deleted thread of the russian map before? >>216943062>Wasted a vpn to out himself instantlylel
>>216942925>It's somewhat fluid how they define European in some studies. As I said, if you narrow it down to WSH, ANF, WHG, many modern Europeans won't be 100% European.>I was talking just about white Brazilians. 100% (average) Italian is something like 88% European. 100% (average) Iberian is something like 95% European. If white Brazilians were 86% European, they would have to be something like 100% Italian or 90% Iberian. So, as you can guess, the 86% or white Brazilians is probably referring to already mixed populations.I know that's probably the case, I'm not disagreeing with that, but I think you're pushing the idea of Euro DNA share too low for the phenotypes of this population share>Not necessarily. They look white but many times there's somethig off about their faces. They don't have phenos that are that common here.I think they do. I've been to Portugal and Italy and people looked extremely familiar to the point it was uncanny. Again I'm referring to actual white Brazilians from places like São Paulo and the South and not self declared ones (many of which are just lightskin pardos)However I cannot say much on Spaniards but I assume there would probably be a difference as Spanish blood is not as prevalent in Brazil as Portuguese or Italian so that would explain your view>Blond Brazilians are proportionally way less common than blond Iberians or even blond Southern ItaliansProportionally? Maybe. In raw numbers, less natural blondes than Southern Italy even, I really don't think so. I think you're underestimating the presence of Northern and Eastern Euro DNA in Brazil. Remember Brazil has over 200 million people
>>216941869honestly yes (I'm from the South)>>216942987I'm guessing because it's closer and more connected to Italy
>>216942987Because it's G25 crap with fake samples and not a real study. Corsicans are three times more Nordic than Sardianians and lack the Nafri dna.>The same study estimate that the genome of the modern Corsicans derive from Anatolia Neolithic: 33%, Europe Middle Neolithic/Chalcolithic: 34%, Steppe EMBA: 19% and Iran Neolithic: 14%.[57]>A 2020 study by Fernandes et al. estimated that the current Sardinian genome derives roughly 62.5% from Neolithic Early European Farmers (EEF), 9.7% from the Mesolithic Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), 13.9% from ancestry related to Neolithic Iranians of Ganj Dareh (or also Caucasus-related ancestry), 10.6% from the Bronze Age Western Steppe Herders (WSH) of the Yamnaya culture and, lastly, 3.4% from Late Neolithic Moroccans (partly of European origin).[5]
>>216941201Anon, data he refers to is about self-declared white Brazilians.So in this case it's not cherry-picking.
>>216941593Kek
>>216943503InterestingJudging by her surname and region she's very likely of Northern Italian descentBut I'm aware Italy has all sorts of phenotypes across the country
>>216943600That poster is just a proxy spammer baitingHe's not looking for any serious discussion
>>216941504True, but it really depends on the Brazilian in question, most of the Italian immigrant here came from the North of Italy, which has significantly lower percentages than Southern Italy.Thus, if a Brazilian is 15% non-Euro but his Euro ancestry is Venetian, he's ~19% non-Euro, therefore still more Euro than many Southern Italians.More studies are needed on this matter.
>>216943890>Thus, if a Brazilian is 15% non-Euro but his Euro ancestry is Venetian, he's ~19% non-Euro, therefore still more Euro than many Southern Italians.LOLYou have negro and amerindian dna. Beside North Italians and Sardinian also this "Iranian" admixture in any serious study. The map posted by OP is a fake.
>>216944005Does this man look European to you?
>>216944091Do you know George Clooney?
Sicilians were spawned by niggers.
>>216944005Not that anon but I don't think OP map is necessarily "fake"Maybe just inaccurate and flawed
>>216944174whiter than almost anyone in brussels, your "country" is finished
>>216944191>I don't think the map is fake, it's just that's it not telling the truthepic
>>216940291let's find outhttps://youtu.be/FdLig5mFTqg
>>216940291My area is at 0, i don't want to hear /int/niggers call me non-white ever again
>>216941692>Bestemmie
>>216943115But they invented and discovered many things. They're the black sheep of the family.>>216943890But Brazilian non-Euro admixture is from populations far more foreign than those that may show up in Italians. That's why a 90% European Brazilian will cluster very far away from the European cluster, whereas a Sicilian is just on the permiter of it.
