Stop learning incorrect English editionWhat language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familytheswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentsrentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki decksrentry.org/refold>>216925489
>>216967321Türkçe öğreniyorum. İstanbul'u ziyaret etmek istiyorum.
>The Effects of Spaced Practice on Second Language Learning: A Meta-Analysis >The Influence of the Spacing Effect on L2 Vocabulary Learning: A Study on Chinese University Students >Don’t Just Repeat After Me: Retrieval Practice Is Better Than Imitation for Foreign Vocabulary Learning >Cumulative Testing for L2 Vocabulary Learning: The Impact of Retrieval Practice and Proficiency >High Variability Phonetic Training (HVPT): A Meta-Analysis of L2 Perceptual Training Studies >Enhancing Pronunciation Learning Through High Variability Phonetic Training: A Meta-Analysis >High- vs Low-Variability Phonetic Training in L2 Vowel Learning >An Effective Way to Improve Listening Skills Through Shadowing >Improvement of Listening Comprehension Skills Through Shadowing with Difficult Materials >Teaching EFL Learners Shadowing for Listening: Developing Learners’ Bottom-Up Skills >The Efficacy of Shadowing with Instruction of Sound Change >The Effectiveness of Processing Instruction on L2 Grammar Acquisition: A Meta-Analysis >Comprehension-Based Versus Production-Based Grammar Instruction: A Meta-Analysis of Comparative Studies >Input Processing and Grammar Instruction: Theory and Research >Dictogloss: Is It an Effective Language Learning Task? >Using Collaborative Language Production Tasks to Promote Students’ Language Awareness >Learning Multiword Items Through Dictation and Dictogloss >The Effectiveness of Extensive Reading on Reading Proficiency: A Meta-Analysis >Learning a Language Through Reading: A Meta-Analysis of Studies on the Effects of Extensive Reading on Second and Foreign Language Learning >A Meta-Analysis of Extensive Reading Research >Incidental Vocabulary Acquisition Through Captioned Viewing: A Meta-Analysis >Effectiveness of Subtitles in L2 Classrooms: A Meta-Analysis Study >How Effective Is Second Language Incidental Vocabulary Learning? A Meta-Analysis
>>216968648>wasting time reading studies on language learning when you could be reading in your TL
>>216968819lol thisforever a learner never a speaker
>>216968819>>216968940who cares my proficiency?
>>216968819To be fair, his TL is English so reading papers in English would be productive.
So much diversity lost.. only to be replaced by a copypaste of Azeri
Got sad about not living in my TL country again
>>216969742what is your target lang
>>216969214fewer languages are good
>>216968630Türkche eng set til ikenKöp saxta sözlükler barTarix yoq teribye yoqDunyaning eng tarixsiz tili
>>216969952Turkish has far more resources and input material, and I actually want to visit Turkey. Uzbekistan seems like a shithole.
>>216969879Czech
funnily enough the channel in the OP got called out by another "don't listen to ESL english teachers" channel for teaching bad english.
>>216970130Bu özbek tili emes
TRANSLATION CHALLENGE (because we haven't had one in a while)>>EASY>What languages are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Make frens>>MEDIUM>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>>216972551
>>216957030Some philosophy book, from the looks of it?I've mostly got Soviet books when it comes to physical textbooks, very fun to read through them and see just how quickly and how much propaganda there is. For example, one book was meant for 5-6 graders, it has entire sections about the structure of the Pioneers (Communist youth organisation). Another one was meant for older readers (university-level, I think?), one of its first lines was "Of course, I am part of the Communist Youth" kek.The comparisons between Lithuanian and Sanskrit are a bit overstated. Sure, Lithuanian is the closest living non-Indo-Iranian language to Sanskrit, but that's simply because Lithuanian is also the most archaic of all living Indo-European languages. That chart in particular is horrible kek. Most of the words lack their diacritics (e.g. it's sūnus, not sunus, ašva, not asva), the only word that has one in the Lithuanian section is completely optional kek. Same for Sanskrit, all of those h's in the end should have a dot under them from what I remember. And that's not to mention all the random words that are off - it's dantys, not gentys (tribes), senis means "old man", not old as in the adjective, it's mirti (not mriti), so on so on.
>>216972551>Welche Sprachen lernst du?>Teile Sprachenlernenerlebnisse!>Frage über deiner Zielsprache!>Befreunde>helfe Menschen, die neue Sprache lernen wöllen!>nimme an Übersetzungsherausforderung teil oder mache deine.
>>216973109German can keep trying to seduce me but I won't dabbleNext year maybe
chagpt fatigue is real
>>216973372Are you learning Swiss German?
>>216973747You're absolutely right!
>>216973950Warum fragst du mich das?
>>216974149It's wollen, not wöllen. Chatgpt says wöllen can be Swiss German, but according to wiktionary the only meaning of wöllen is "spit out a pellet".
>>216974177Ah, danke, it might have been how I heard it being said. I spoke with a Swiss German to practice my Rede.
>>216973747it helps me to practice my english because im too autist to meet a real person and try to talk with him without being embarassed of my english lol. whatever. with this mentality i want to live in a english speaking country.
Time for another therapy session with AI helping me work out wanting to learn 3 separate languages. If i should switch my target language, start a 3rd language, the practicality of maybe learning all 3 if I take 2 less seriously than the other, etc. it can be so hard bros
>>216976270Do you struggle to commit in relationships?
I really wish I had just picked one TL. I think my decision to pick 2 came from my ego telling me that I'm better/more autistic than normies, and they just give up because they have romantic partners and sex and they're addicted to tick tock, occupied and distracted from practicing their TL.But the reality is that none of us are really fundamentally better than normies, and we're all subjected to the same psychological traps that make us feel like we aren't making any progress. Now my problem is I don't know which one to drop.I think I'm really close to the catalyst with French, I'm already just watching netflix series without subtitles and mostly enjoying it, but I still have to concentrate a fair bit. Also I listen to French podcasts when I go to work, so it isn't really taking me much extra time. But I think I'd rather have chosen German, and I worry that French is taking mental capacity away from my German, and I won't be fluent for a really long time because of that. I can watch anime in German if I pause all the time and look up words. It's a lot harder. I probably couldn't listen to podcasts yet. I really want to learn it, but I know everyone says that the feeling of doubt goes away once you successfully learn a foreign language as an adult, and that makes me think I should temporarily drop German so I can reach that achievement with French first. Then the doubt and impatience goes away, and I can just casually watch stuff in French without having to concentrate so much and also do German without being impatient or having doubts.You guys know what I mean?
>>216977874>none of us are really fundamentally better than normiesI am
>>216978042How many languages do you know?
>>216978127Two and a half which I know isn't exactly impressiveI'm not trying to say I'm a genius language learner or anything but normies just can't compete with a 12+ hour a day autist fixation
>>216978175Shit, that's true.That's also what I thought about myself too, but my fixations go beyond language learning and even if I had 48 hours in a day it still wouldn't be enough to satisfy all of them.
>>216978236The nice thing about language learning is that I can have a secondary obsession as long as there's a way to interact with it in my TL
>>216977874Very relatable post. My ego is also wrapped up in all this language stuff. My friends are very competitive and Ive put off learning my target language for years to opt out of competing with them. Now they stopped learning it and I started. I dont think I chose it now cause they aren’t doing it, but I cant help but feel like Im influenced still.And also, I wonder if learning a different language would be difficult since Im out of “storage”. But after researching, the brain is very good at optimizing storage. If you really try to learn a second/third language, you will get rid of a lot of junk data in your brain. Although your brain may consider some French junk data. There is far more health benefits than downsides though
>>216977874I wouldn't drop German in this case, just reduce the time you spend learning it to maybe like 15 minutes a day. From what you wrote it's not that you need to pass any French exam or anything like that, so you don't need to focus completely on it. German may be an objectively beneficial skill in the future, even if it will be more of a passive knowledge.
>>216972551>簡単な難易度>どの言語を勉強しますか>言語と学習体験を共有します!>学習体験について質問聞いて!>中級な難易度>新たな言語勉強したい人を手伝ってね!>翻訳チャレンジに参加したり、自分で翻訳チャレンジを使ったりしましょう!
>>216978447Yeah I think the comparison to a computer or a hard drive is a pretty popular comparison for the brain, but in reality I think the brain is more like a fourier transform that only loosely holds information based on repeated combinations of information. In other words, the current state of your brain is just the current product of whatever it has experienced the most. So it isn't limited by space, but by time.>>216978479Yeah I don't have any important reasons to learn either language, it's more personal/ego related.
>>216978781>it's more personal/ego relatedSo keep both languages, just focus more on one of them, maybe set some objective goal that will let you know that you are good enough, eg. an Alliance Francaise exam (although it may be quite expensive, only EA languages have cheap governemt backed exams). You will definitely never mix German with French, so there is no need to abandon any of them at this point.
>>216978998>Alliance FrançaiseWtf I assumed that was a local companyAm I redtarded? (answer is yes)
>>216979158>Alliance FrançaiseI thought that it's a very famous institution many countries try to emulate, like having those founding fathers is itself a fantactic selling point. Anyway, anyone I know who learns French also passes some B2 or C1 one exam at some point.
>>216978998>You will definitely never mix German with French, so there is no need to abandon any of them at this point.TFW I just learned today that German has the word "Fasson"
>>216979298A lingua polonesa tambem tem esta palavra.
>>216979283I've just never heard of it outside of my company offering lessons offering itAlso retarded as previously hinted at
>>216979356Woaw!! What language is that?
>>216979455Norte-Macaciano
>>216976270Just be honest. You're too lazy to learn any language, so you just talk to a word generator pretending you're 'deciding' on a language to keep up the pretence you will start learning soon.Pick one language. Start learning. Stop procrastinating.
>>216980088I did start a language but i just get anxiety that Im not learning the other 2. Feel like Im missing out
>>216976270listen, i understand that llms can be useful for language learning. therapy does not fall under the purview of that. it just guesses what the next word that comes after should probably be. carpe unum et id complecte.
>>216980545And what's your advice? I talk to AI about everything because if I go outside some punk ass monkeyloid subhuman will either offer me drugs or talk about piping down whores, never some actual useful discussion or meaningful activity. AI is the only form of talking to an useful human for me.
>>216980545actually if you just type out an issue you have, list all the pros and cons and complexities, it does a good job at reframing the problem back to you, organizing the pros and cons, and giving you advice. It’s almost like journaling. I explained all the reasons i wanted to learn each of the 3 languages and it helped me deal with it
>>216980611if you live in a place where you'd rather prefer to talk to an llm, instead of a human being, whether that be because those that stand around you neither fit the definition for either being a human or a being; or if you have no one around to genuinely talk to, then i'm sorry for you, and hope things get better but you can also accept that how llms work is both basically text guessing and that you can get some use out of it. so long as you know that it doesn't actually know anything about the meaning behind any of the text, symbols and responses it gives then you won't be seeking it out for therapy services.
>>216972551welche Sprachen bist du am Lernen grad?teil deine Erfahrungen was Sprachenlernen angeht!Stell Fragen zu deiner Zielsprache!schließ Freundschaften!Hilf Leuten die Lust drauf eine neue Sprache erlernen wollen. Nimm an Übersetzungsherausforderungen teil oder fertig sogar deine eigenen an!
>At 20 words a day it will take over 250 days to get through my anki deckfuck me bros
>>216981089what's the rush
>>216981089Just do 5k in one day #lifehacks On an unrelated note I'm almost at my sentence mining goal of 5k.
>>216981089You know learning the language will take longer than that
Es war ein fruchtbringend Tag, gute Nacht... ich vermisse die Türkin, mit wem ich ausgegangen habe vier Monate vor: Deutschlernen ist eine trostbringend Zerstreuung.
>>216967321Are those horror stories about people learning Mandarin and not being understandable (or sounding like a retard) a real problem, or is it just because of retards who don't learn tones?
>>216981089You could try reading with Lute. I've managed to read through 100k words in ~82 days and save 10k unique words, 3k of which are marked as well-known. Much more enjoyable than Anki btw.
Thanksgiving soon. Keep up the studying and try to block out distractions.
>>216981089speaking from experience, at 20 words a day there is a good chance you burn out and never finish it. Take it slow and trust the process; it isn't a race and the vast majority of your learning comes from just engaging with your lang, not anki
I coined an internet slang term in my TL, and native speakers are using it.And it's not the first time this has happened.
>>216983546cap
>>216973747I love chatgpt so much it's unreal
Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?
>>216983779I think it sounds nicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAkurjlr-fE
>>216968648i'm glad they've actually been doing serious experiments to tease out what are the most effective factors for language learning. they only really started doing this in the past couple years. before it was almost all speculation
Learn to read Fraktur.https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/view/bsb11274135https://i.4cdn.org/lit/1762609285760439.jpghttps://i.4cdn.org/lit/1762609374986515.jpg
>>216983779Posted it again award
>>216983704I find half of its replies when I ask about grammar are retarded.
>Er lag auf seinem panzerartig harten RückenFuck chatgpt. Wanted to know if panzerartig is an adverb since it's not declined. Retarded circular logic "just because" fucking wall of text as always.
My overall score for my IELTS exam was Grade 8. Am I cool yet?
>>216986343>Flag But you're a native English speaking country
>>216986343English sucks
>>216986650Some overseas Unis require you to take an IELTs exam to qualify for it.>>216986668International medium of communication o algo
>>216986327Kek chatgpt says it's an adjective and brave leo says it's an adverb. Hooray for AI.
>>216986787Them*
This is in Essential German Grammar from Routledge. Fucking unbelievable. This is why I prefer textbooks published before 1920. Graded German Reader by Crossgrove, I was really liking it, until I read the story at the end where a guy and a girl who don't know each other meet on a train and begin to cuddle. Better to use something like this:https://archive.org/details/cu31924031269842
>>216987137lol
what do you do when you actually get there?
>>216987137It's alright but I think better practical examples could be usedI just picked up a book on Russian from one of the Russian professors I know by Kudyma et al, pretty good for beginner's Russian
>>216987222live, love, laugh
>>216987217Yeah laugh about it, brainrotted coomer, very funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXs_vkc8hpYwhat's his accent
>>216987692German
>>216987946>>216987692This is a very specific German accent though. It's exaggerated, like he never once spoke to a non German speaking English. For reference, there's these 2 Russian girls who speak Portuguese and you can see the same phenomenon:https://youtube.com/shorts/p-KUvv30LYM?si=orxQNSwqdkjHQn3Fhttps://youtube.com/shorts/aA_o04dwtTs?si=l46Dx653XzdM4L_d
>>216987222Order a year's worth of condoms and a big safe for all the money you're going to get with TL.
>>216988892>a year's worth of condomsZero?
>>216988983For 1000 sexes.
>>216987137grim>This is why I prefer textbooks published before 1920. I've gotten to a point where I'll rarely read any book from the last 30 years for similar reasons
bump
>regepostet
It's very stormy outside.
>>216990338it's also longer than just "geteilt" i will never get this shit and i reject it entirely
>>216972551 نېمە تىل ئۆگىنىسىز؟بىزگە تىللارنى ئۆگىنىش تەجرىبىلىرىڭىزدىن گەپ ئورتاقلاشىڭ!ئۆگىنىدىغان تىل ھەققىدە سوئاللار گەپ دېيىڭ!دوستلار تۇتۇڭ!
>>216972551τίνας μανθάνεις γλώσσας;γλωσσομαθήσεως πέρι μῦθον λέγε!τῆς μανθάνεις γλώσσης πέρ' ἐρώτα!φίλους ποίησαι!τοῖσι βουλομένοισι γλώσσας μανθάνειν ἐπίκουρος ἴσθι!μέτεχε τῶν ἐρμενείης πέρ' ἀγώνων ἢ τίθεε τοὺς σούς!
Gonna read every lättläst book I found on Anna's Archive.
>>216983546I actually believe this because you probably have a relatively novel way of expressing things in your TL.
>>216972551Haven't been here in months, so might as well now I'm in one of my TL's countries:> FacileVous apprenez quelles langues ?Partagez vos expériences d'apprentissage des langues !Posez des questions à propos de votre langue cible !Trouvez des amis !> MoyenAidez les gens qui souhaitent apprendre une nouvelle langue !Participez à des défis de traduction ou créez les vôtres !
>>216983546What's the TL and what's the term?
>>216983546>I forced a meme in my TL general by being annoying and persistent enoughGood for you.
Dutch or German, guys ?
>>216996380Native French and English.
>>216996380you rather wanna talk with the Dutch or with Germans?
>>216997619Who’s more interesting and also who actually cares more if you’re trying to learn it … mentality is important for me
Or maybe who’s more receptive to learners, I guess :/
>>216997619It amazes me that most people on this site only care about talking to people when learning a language. Total female behavior. I don't learn languages to talk to people.
>>216997939Sven, be nice (woman) I could be your mother so listen up and stop judging others hobbies
>>216997939You're using a second language to talk to people right now.
>>216997939And yes, communicating is also speaking otherwise you’re not practicing
>>216997967How old are you, ma'am?
>>216998099Late 20s ;(
>>216998165late 20's is the last period before things hardentake care of your skin/etc right nowsame thing with brain, health, etc. lots of damage to body + bad habits are still reversible now but won't be easily reversible anymore in like 3 yearsrandom unsolicited advice
>>216998793Thanks I guess </3 languages are my coping mechanism because otherwise I’m nothing
There’s way more teachers who already speak French for Dutch than German so I might begin with Dutch
Barely B1 in spanish what now
>>216999475Pepper Pigger in beaner dub
anyone ever tried one of chinas minority languages? there are 300 of them
>>216999888Yes I have been studying Uyghur for the last two years I also tried Manchu, Nuosu, and Tibetan
how do you deal with the majority of languages dying?
speaking basque regardless of the existence of spanish and french because it's a language that has the right to exist independently of other languages
>>217000361
i don't need a castilishit's or frog's permission to speak basque and i certainly don't need a serbian dog's permission
Poland obsessed Canatroon and Canada obsessed Finnish troonThey are made for eachother
>>216999475How much speaking practice have you done?
>>217001059None. Pronunciation is 1 to 1 with finnish so i never saw it as important
>>217000651I tried speaking to her and helping her get here but she is too unstable even for me. Sometimes she would randomly snap at others for no reason.
>>217000553you need my permission tho
>>217000553You got some balls on you, kid. Alright, I'll allow your little project to continue. You have my full blessing.
>>216999888>chinas minority languageschiggers appreciate the number 8 I'm not sure if you recognize the auspiciousness of those trips
>>216983779Spaghetti
>>217000361I predict that Dutch and all Scandinavian languages will be endangered and mostly replaced with English 100 years from now
>>217001792kek
>>216972551>LeichtWelche Sprachen studierst du?Teil Sprachenstudiumerfahrungen.Stell Frage uber deine Zielsprache.>MittelHilf Menschen, den eine neue Sprache lernen wollen.Nimm teil auf Ubersetzungherausforderungen oder schaff deine eigene!
>>216981184we are all on an irreversible road of decaying into an inevitable death wtf do you mean whats the rush
>>217001239There's more to speaking than pronunciation
>>217002370Is learning faster supposed to stop that?
got to probably a b2 in listening and reading in french but speaking probably upper a2/lower b1 and writing solid b1wat do?
>>217002644yeah you learn slower the older you get. get all your important learning out of the way as young as possible.
Watching streamers is good for learning slang
>>217004266That's fine with me learning a language takes a long time anyway
>>217006504that and youtubers. I've also found watch anime, whether subbed or dubbed, can be very helpful for learning informal speech and just a lot of daily vocab.
>>217007125Any anime recs? Currently re-watching AoT in TL, but would be interested in some slice-of-life stuff for everyday vocab and phrases. Wanted to rewatch Clannad but the dub was really bad.
>>217007517I actually want to get around to re-watching the first 3 seasons of AoT and then finally watching the last season soon. I could never get past the eyes of the characters in clannad personally. I basically only watch anime with german subs nowadays and then sometimes I'll watch the dub on a rewatch. I recently watched Dandadan, My dress up darling, and rent a girl friend and they all had quite a bit. Honestly rent a girl friend is TRASH but it is had a lot of casual speech. Mob 100, Sound Euphonium, Recovery of an MMO Junkie I also remembering having a lot and they were actually decent shows. I've also watched Mushoku Tensi, Ferien, Demon Slayer, Vineland Saga, and Apothecary Diaries subbed but I find fantasy/historical stuff like that to be more difficult, but they can still teach you some slang and will teach you some obscure words for sure. I suspect AoT will be like that too. For me it was just obvious to watch anime in TL. I'm gonna spend that time watching anime so might as well improve my TL at the same time.
>>217006504one of my favorite content mines, it's especially good if you can find a decent streamer who plays stuff you're interested in since it gives you some contextual grounding and interest in the subject matter
Doesn't it feel evil or wrong to actually use your target language for real? I'm stealing it. Everything spoken is forbidden knowledge.
>>217002644No but I have a limited time to understand anime girls before I die and I would like to maximize that time
might go back to Finnish. All languages are a waste of time anyway but at least it's an interesting one
>>217002358>Welche Sprachen studierst du?"lernen" would be better than "studieren," as the latter is used for studying at university level or for legacies, like studying an animal species for large portions of your life for example>Teil Sprachenstudiumerfahrungen.as above, Sprachlernerfahrungen also, peep this: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugenlaut?useskin=vectoror look up some english language grammar book about german and look for how composite nouns are created, there are rules for Fugenlaute/Bindeglieder (like -en-, -s-, -er-, etc.) >Stell Frage uber deine Zielsprache.Fragen>Hilf Menschen, den eine neue Sprache lernen wollen."die" instead of "den" >Nimm teil auf Ubersetzungherausforderungen oder schaff deine eigene!"teilnehmen" usually requires the preposition "an," but i'm guessing you romance brained this hard :3 also, while i think your choice is based and technically correct, "schaffen" is mostly used for inventions or generally greater creations, "machen" would suffice, but i won't discourage you from using it that way, simply because i like it
>>217009694>all that matters in learning a language is talking to people>learning languages is really a waste of timeWhat are some other opinions of the smallbrained?
>>217010385learning language for sexo
>>217010385>>217008724This is another opinion of the smallbrained, that native speakers own their language. Nobody owns any language or religion. Nobody owns mathematics or music. Ideas are eternal.
>>217010445it's incredible to me how many unloved kissless hugless virgins on here are lead to believe their dating pool will greatly increase in their favor because they can autistically mumble a sentence in a foreign language with only 2 (two!) minor grammatical mistakes, spaghetti flowing out of their pockets and everything
Grammar in the current age has been hollowed out to a set of empty rules to be memorized. Most people today don't realize how deep grammar is.Take the deep grammar pill.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modistaehttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000003010372https://libgen.li/edition.php?id=137170227https://archive.org/details/logick_2507_librivoxhttps://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watttable of contents in here, but pages don't match: https://heritagebooks.org/content/Logicsample.pdf
she's so cute bros... need spunky spanish tomboy gf...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6v1ytCcosc
German graded reader from 1895https://archive.org/details/studienundplaude00sterrich
>>217010531this. if you are white go to south east asia (virginity removal guaranteed) and if you are any sort of brown go to the nordics (almost guaranteed)
>>217010445...and all the coombrains who talk about "gooning" language learning materials, and discuss their "waifus" to watch for "CI", anyone who thinks this >>216987137 is funny.
Anyone know some anime with good French dubs?
>>217011059https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix?useskin=vector#Adaptations
I have a problem. I got more interested in learning languages in the last few months, and I downloaded and bookmarked tons of stuff, but I have way too little structure in it. It's virtually useless, just an enormous heap of materials. Oh well, my laptop and phone both suck anyway so I have to buy new ones, anything that's not saved to my google account will be gone after I switch, maybe most of the bookmarks are in my google account though. Whatever. It's kind of a reflection of my life, I have a similar situation with physical items, will most likely need to have it all hauled away one day, sadly lowered my quality of life for decades at that point though.
>>217011170I was thinking of using materials like that for learning, but then I realized the language is probably not good for learning, incomplete sentences etc.
>>217010994whatever motivates peopledon't hate
>>217011362no, coombrains and dirty-minded people in general should be bullied, fuck off
A good reason to learn German and French is to be able to read German and French books for learning Latin and Greek.https://libgen.li/edition.php?id=136898262
>>216967321same woman
>>217011399du er en av de eneste få gode breverne i denne tråden
>>217011455yep, Alexander Arguelles always recommended learning French and German first because they give access to more resources for other languages
>>217011511Funny you mention that. I subscribed to his youtube channel a while back. Have barely watched any of his content. But today a few hours ago when I woke up my phone had a notification that he published a new video, so I watched part of it.
>>217011399Nah bro we chillin'
Is it good to read out loud in your target language? I find it difficult to read out loud because my mind is focusing on the pronunciation and I can't comprehend what I am reading at the same time.
>>217011455I also want to be able to read things like this.This book was used by Immanuel Kant when teaching his students. This was a condensed version of Meier’s longer Vernunftlehre, which was based on Christian Wolff.https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hh1tinHere a book by Christian Wolff.https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/view/bsb11274135
>>217011731Happens to me too. Read it twice, once silently, once out loud.
>>217011707kys subhuman
>>217011774>Here a book by Christian Wolff.*Here'sI swear I proofread it like 4 times...
>>217010917cool
>>217011774Vernunftlehre, Georg Friedrich Meierhttps://archive.org/details/vernunftlehre00meiehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Friedrich_MeierVernunftlehre, Johann Karl Christoph Ferberhttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn26ckhttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Karl_Christoph_Ferber
>>217010994>>217010917how old are you? I'm a massive prude and even I don't get upset at the kind of stuff you do. You get mad when people post or watch cute girls that are completely dressed from head to toe and doing nothing suggestive at all. You got mad because you read something that had cuddling in it. Are you aware that a lot of attraction to the opposite sex is just regular affection and isn't always about getting a hard-on? Are you religious? Gay? 12?
>>216983546congratulations, im sure your mom would be very proud
>>2170119641868https://archive.org/details/cu319240312698421880https://archive.org/details/erstesdeutsches00wormgoog1881https://books.google.se/books?id=bOhEAAAAIAAJ1889https://archive.org/details/germanreaderforb00branrich1901https://archive.org/details/interlinear-german-reading-book-hahn-thimm-1901-marlborough1912https://archive.org/details/agermangrammarf00bacogoog1915https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015030860343Peter Hagboldthttps://archive.org/details/heathchicagogerm03hagbhttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89101486454https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435009488982https://archive.org/details/inductivereading0002petehttps://archive.org/details/inductivereading00hagbhttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b312900https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Hagboldt%2C%20Peter%2C%201886%2D1943
>>217012047kys
>>217010994bro is seething about ankigooning :skull:
>>216931107That I know of, there's CatieKejti, Ksenik, Virineto, Chelsea Rae Moses, Keep It Simple Esperanto... For Esperanto video content in general look on tubaro.aperu.net.
You guys keep talking about watching anime. But what about if my TL isn't Japanese. Should I watch actual native content instead of a TL dubbed anime
>>217012467Make phone calls to nursing homes / elderly care facilities in a country that speaks your target language and ask if any of the residents would like to chat. I recall a girl who learned French by doing this and had regular conversation partners in French nursing homes.
>>217012493yes, definitely do this. I enjoy imagining nursing homes in korea and japan trying to figure out why they're suddenly getting spam called by 4chan neets
>>217012239>https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b312900Another version of that book, with pictures, but the scan is bad:https://archive.org/details/elementarygerman01unseIt's interesting to compare that book from 1933 to this book from 1991, look at the first few pages and you see it's almost a carbon copy. But the modern book has a subversive short story at the end, that's the difference.https://libgen.li/edition.php?id=137935102You also see this with Familia Romana by Hans Ørberg, people think he invented that method, then turns out James Henry Worman, Arthur Jensen and others did it before him.First Spanish Book, Wormanhttps://archive.org/details/firstspanishbook00wormrichItalian and French, Arthur Jensenhttps://archive.org/details/jensen-arthur-litaliano-secondo-il-metodo-naturahttps://archive.org/details/jensen-arthur-le-francais-par-la-methode-nature
John Locke's "Some Thoughts Concerning Education" is full of interesting comments on language learning, this is just a single page. >>217012537Even better would be to visit them IRL. I think about my old grandmother born in Austria-Hungary's Lviv and eventually moving to the US. I didn't become interested in language learning until she was long gone, but imagine if I had been a smart kid industrious about my language studies. I could have learned so much just by prattling on with her.
>>217012615Accidentally overwrote my screenshot of the page with a reaction image lol.
Thinking of making Mandarin my 3rd language but thats probably one you cant half ass.Talking to this Chinese girl and Im falling hard for her. I know she would be really excited if I was learning Mandarin….
>>217012625John Locke wrote that garbage?
>>217012909I'm making a serious effort at it, as long as you're consistent it's not that bad. >>217013022
>>217012909Would probably be easier if you just go for the spoken language without worrying about writing.
>>217013064All the more reason to learn German.
what language is this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azaP3gQg67Y
>>217013147Is this meant to fade in and out or is it meant to pan back and forth? My right headphone is broken.
>>217013324I don't know if it's supposed to be like that or there's something wrong with that upload. this one is betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReD-tBLhxhs
>>216984916posting this reminded me of this beautiful film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngn_vIB-p4k and I'm obligated to post moreanyway, reminder to read and listen to (!) poetry in your TL, such a beautiful artform that will be lost forever to illiterate zoomers
>>216972551>nemhvad for nogle sprog lærer du?del sproglæringsoplevelser!stil spørgsmål om dit målsprog!>mediumhjælp mennesker der vil lære et nyt sprogdeltage i oversættelseudfordringer eller lave dine egne!
>>217013414As a scandi language learner do you find it difficult to find natives to practice with? I've heard other anons say most scandis just switch to English.
>>217013022john locke wrote a ton of garbage
>>217010250>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugenlaut?useskin=vectorInteresting, I thought maybe it was related to the word Fuge in music, fugue in English, but it seems the words are not related. However it is related to the Swedish word "fog", used in for example "fogmassa" (sealant, caulk, grout), "sammanfoga" (zusammenfügen, join).
>>216970130>Uzbekistan seems like a shithole.Turkey is much worse than Uzbekistan.t. Turk from Turkey who moved here and couldn't be happier
>>217011632I like his videos but I think he's too focused on learning languages for the purpose of reading literature, which there is nothing wrong with, but it doesn't interest me much. And I'm probably not the only one.I think he views language studying as something you force yourself to do so that you can eventually enjoy reading the literature, which kind of goes against the common idea that you should enjoy the process.Also I find it interesting that he seems to encourage people to learn multiple languages at the same time while other language youtubers (Matt v Japan for example) usually suggest reaching fluency in one first before picking up another.
Is learning Classical Greek and Latin in university a reasonable move? I don't really care much for philology, but I'd like to be able to read some classics as well as perhaps visit Greece and Rome once in the future. I've also considered learning a "pragmatic language", like German, Russian or Japanese. My study counsilor, however, urged me to follow my strongests interests and said that "having a classical education is nothing to scoff at, especially in this day and age."
>>217015674Why learn a language that you simply auto-translate? Pick up something unique like Old French.
>>217015746You can in fact learn to read Latin or Ancient Greek without translating in your head.
>>217015674define "reasonable". they are good to learn if you are interested in history or philosophy
>>217015774>they are good to learn if you are interested in history or philosophyI am studying history and planning on taking a minor in Classical studies. I just wondered if these were "reasonable" as in going to impress a potential employer or make me stand out among the masses of job-seekers. >>217015746Based retard, compeletely expected from a ryssäshit
>>217012909>Im learning your language now!Cute if you're already together Creepy if you're not>>217013075If you do this then it fucks you over forever btw and it's not really easier
>>217012625I saw nothing enlightening about language and grammar in that, but it was based when it said to make nothing but downright virtue the pupil's business and reprove him for vice, or some apparent tendency to it. This is clearly long gone from the curriculum and we see the results in the godless trash that inhabit society today.
>>217010768Don't tell me you are the Trivium guy
How long do I need to do boring flash cards until I can consume media?
>>217017843You have to know 150,000 words, know all the grammar intricacies and nuances, pass C2 exam, summon a ghost to learn Middle Age variant of your TL, learn local variant of sign language and then you are allowed to watch one episode of Pepper Pig
>>217017843You're supposed to start with media for natives
>>217015774>am studying history and planning on taking a minor in Classical studies>impress a potential employer or make me stand out among the masses of job-seekersI don't think knowing how to speak latin is going to help you get a job flipping burgers, if that's what you mean. It's only "reasonable" if you are set on being an academic researcher in history/philosophy/linguistic areas.
I find Koreans and their society so cool but the language is useless in the long term. I already know some Chinese and it's objectively the best language to learn but I wanted to learn Korean...
>>217017843You should be listening to your TL from day one no matter what method of study you're using.
>>217018877I agree. Korean is cool. Has tons of media and Kpop and all that. But Mandarin is part of the new world emerging and China will probably start having great media output soon
RussianNorwegian or other Scandinavian languages GermanDutch> what’s my best options and which of these cultures react positively if you know their language ?
>>217019307>> what’s my best options and which of these cultures react positively if you know their language ?why do you even care about this but out of all those maybe dutch if you're white
>>217019470Yes I’m white woman, good cause they already know French in Belgium. Their phonology is just a bit unpleasant at times but who cares if you can’t do the G sound, I won’t be overly obsessed about it and learn at my own speed
>>217019307Russian and German are least likely to switch to English at the slightest hint of an accent
>>217019613i was in norway speaking only norwegian and i definitely have some kind of accent, but nobody ever cared in the slightest and i never spoke a single word of english there, this is such bullshit neither when i spoke norwegian(!) in sweden did they care, i just had to reiterate what i meant once or twice cannot confirm any of this drivel you read online. they don't really get shocked either though. the only peope who were ever 'impressed' were dutch tourists in germany when i responded in dutch, but they are also not exactly the kind of people to lose their marbles about shit nobody cares about
>>217019613I can do the French R which is used in German, it’s just that they aren’t very friendly generally speaking (I know I have family there). Both languages are hard, German might be more learnable ?
>>217019769Cool… I thought Dutch only switched to English everytime, like in Northern Europe
>>217019834i think people need to realize that people will switch language when they feel like the person trying to talk to them is struggling hard and/or is unintelligible, this has nothing to do with countries if someone butchered german entirely, i would also not bother trying to listen to this garbage and just ask if the person speaks english
One can get by in the Netherlands without knowing English by speaking German. Where else?
>>217020004if you make everybody write what they want to say on paper then maybe
>>217020004Not really… maybe Limburg at best. Most Dutch learn some German at school and that’s it. Also hello, rare to reply to Russians <3
>>217019985I have family members (old though) who live in Bavaria, I fear German makes more sense. I also have a German surname and my grandparents fled from there and I grew up with Heintje music.
>>217020554probably gonna be a long journey but if you feel strongly about it, why not. >Heintje kek based, hadn't heard that name in ages
>>217021106I still listen to his songs, good Schlage Musik. Yeah, German language and culture … :/ is it even worth it ? I guess you can still enjoy and not learn it, as long as you know you won’t regret not learning it because I like X thing about it/nostalgia. > Kling Glöckchen kling !
>>217020068>>217020044You niggas dumb? He affirmed it and asked where else this is possible.
>>216999888Most of them are meaningless; Mandarin is more efficient, so it has replaced other languages. Language is just a tool for communication between people.
>>217021444It’s not a affirmation though
>>217022399Post skin color
A blackpill.The reality is unless you are as fluent as a native speaker, natives dont want to talk to yo ass. Let alone dating and finding a gf
>>217024317So the moral of the story is try harder
>>21702144485 IQ post
>>21701784310k mature cards before you try understanding your first sentence.>>217019307>spending thousands of hours trying to briefly impress a bunch of strangersSurely there are easier ways to shock people? Perhaps a face tattoo of the n-word or something.>>217024317Turns out you can't sustain any kind of deep relationship without good communication skills and language mastery. Talking like Grog the caveman is good enough for a laugh, but not much else.
>>217010385You're right about mocking the goonersBut it is a waste of time
>>217024317this is ultra-cope, especially from a Chinese learner, Chinese people will litely queue up to talk to you even if you can only say like ten words.
>>217024317This is BS. I lived in the states and I lived in Canada (obviously), so I've been around native speakers of large numbers in 3 languages. As an English native, I had no problem making friends with Spanish or French speakers.
>>217010475This is the opinion of someone who has never actually acquired a second language besides English.
>>216996380Dutch: Germans but more chill, more cozy, colonial heritage, easier grammar, better English, cooler ports and canals, better infrastructure, less buerocraticGerman: more natives, more diverse population, more types of landscape and countries, easier pronunciation, more content online, more architecture and history
>>217028099What would you pick as a first choice, for example ?
>>217025264I dunno, it does seems like a waste of time. But being monolingual also seems like it's for retards. Almost everybody significant in history spoke multiple, at least to some extent.I hear language learning is good for your brain, but not sure if that is just bro-science.
>>217028302German. But I plan to emigrate there, and English is less convenient in Germany than in the Netherlands. German is more time consuming, more media And they have country music.
>>217029298I thought everyone wanted to move to Poland …
But honestly, I'm having a hard time learning German. Even French was easier.
>>217025474really its a matter of whether youre learning a euro language (and thus trying to deal with eurofags) or not. if you're learning almost any asian language people will love to talk to you
>>217029633Man, polish is extreme. How can German be any difficult ?
>>217017843you consume media and mine to cards. never ever do premade cards, ever.It's a huge wasted opportunity because with mining you're reminded of the audovisual context every time you do the card which helps consolidate memory (dual encoding + retrieval). It's the same principle that memory athletes do with memory palaces and strong mental imagery. Being reminded of a scene from a movie or song lyric or horror rpg longplay or something is going to help it stick way faster than dry translation
>>217029816Language difficulty is very depended on the person. For example: I think any anon ITT would say that English is easier than Lithuanian or Russian or whatever, and yet you'd be surprised at how many people here (of the older generation, at least) find learning English difficult.
>>217030117<3 being replied to by a Lithuanian is insane (thanks!!!). Maybe, perhaps. Still, that’s probably just the vocab part. Your native language is extreme 100%. I’m bilingual so I can’t tell until I learn another language and when you’re an adult it’s harder
Boobs
>>217030284>and when you’re an adult it’s harderno it's not
has english reached 3 billion speakers yet?
>>217030405no it hasn't even reached 1.5b yet (estimates put at somewhere around 1.45b)
>>217030405Non English speakers aren't worth communicating with
>>216967321Does anyone have experience with Assimil and the "By the nature method" books? Is it any good? I'm undecided between Assimil or the Natural Method
>>217030691How do ESLs not know how to learn shit when you already speak two languages
>>217030691Assimil is dual text and has some grammar, Nature method books are just TL with no translation, you have to figure shit out on your own from context and a couple clues on the side of the page. Both are good sources of beginner input material.>>217030722Most ESLs pick up English through natural exposure to media and the Internet, it was a freebie and they have no idea how to actually learn another language.
>>217031214Then they can do the same thing with their TLJapanese, Russian, and Chinese have their own world online
>>217030722>>217031252We’ve been exposed to english since childhood, especially those of us who played a lot of video games that’s about 20 years of input, along with school, and later with real learning. It’s impossible not to become familiar with it. The thing is, I don’t have 15 or 20 years to learn another language in a passive and ineffective way, I’m looking for the best method
>>217031728The best method is move to where your TL is spoken
>>217031900*The best method while still being affordable and accessibleI don't have the money to go to France, buddy. I don't have money at all lol
>>217031728Most time-efficient method is watching video CI (at least 85% word coverage, so most native content is unlocked at around 3k/4k words). Then using modern tools like language reactor (or just typing into a translator) and looking up words once per minute or twice per minute (looking up more frequently than that causes cognitive overload and you don't remember the words). Then auto exporting looked up words/phrases to anki for review. That's the research-backed pipeline for biggest TL gains-per-hour based on the best and latest studies.You'll probably want to watch beginner CI until around 2k words, cartoons like borroro until 3.5/4k words, then native material spam after that.
>>217032099You border France :^)
I've taken the final leap. I got one of those fancy in-ear sports earbuds that never fall out and plays back the sound around you. I'm leaving them in 24/7 with TL audio never taking them out. I will convince the koreans I am one of them or die trying
How do I start learning a language?
>>217032316Learn how to say hello
>>217032348>Hallo>MerhabaWhat is the greeting in your target language?
>si>si>si>ouiThe fuck French?
I talked to an immigrant native speaker and he just thought I was a native from his country as well. He asked me what city I came from.
Damn it I want to study Classical Chinese againI am such a fucking dilettante
>>217032316Install Lute, add some beginner texts and start reading.
How do I end learning a language?
this seems to be a Ukrainian woman teaching French, if you look at her oldest videos. what do you guys think of her accent?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNd6DVKQD8
>>217017204>If you do this then it fucks you over forever btwHow do you figure? Every native speaker learns speaking before they learn writing.
>>217034158this nigga thinks he can get me to read
>>217035791
I have a destination wedding a year from now to attend in Puerto Rico. I can read extensive prose in Latin (think easier medieval texts like the gesta francorum) and understand prose that I can read when it’s in audio form. I also grew up around a lot of Mexicans so I’m pretty used to the sound/orthography. I have a copy of La Celestina and I find that I can understand just enough to follow the plot, like 80% of words. So I figure the main battle is actually talking.I figure I’ll do Pimsleur 1 to lock in the phonetics and language transfer to maximize my immediate kind of grasp of the languages basics, and for reading I’ll just go through (reading ALOUD) poco a poco and the all spanish method at a lesson of either a day, which should take like 2.5 months. Also maybe just watching dreaming spanish a bit when I feel like it. So overall this whole stack should take about 3 months.Then I’ll kind of just start trying to talk to my boy getting married (he speaks Spanish) and reading prose extensively (maybe with a reference conjugation table printed) and move from there.
>>217032128>Then auto exporting looked up words/phrases to anki for review.How
>>217036603Yomitan
>>217025264>>217028710It's definitely not a waste of time. Grammar, logic and rhetoric are the tools of thought. And the best way to learn about the inner workings of grammar is by learning other languages than your own. But understanding how thoughts work is indeed a waste of time, for the thoughtless. Grammar today has been hollowed out, like mathematics, to mere plug-and-chug memorization of empty rules. That kind of language learning is a waste of time. All of school was a waste of time, in fact even worse than that. You spent 13,000 hours in school and learned nothing, school damaged you. English grammar is poor, you're never going to learn anything about grammar if you know only English.>>217017744yes I amhttps://libgen.li/edition.php?id=137170227https://youtu.be/AOcy6RHw7A8
>How learning Toki Pona may help improving communication strategies in a foreign or second languagehttps://libgen.li/edition.php?id=142221844Thoughts on conlangs? Esperanto, Toki Pona, Lojban etc.https://esperanto12.net/en/01/https://tokipona.org/https://lojban.pw/en/books/learn-lojban/
>>217038246Esperanto and Interlingua are the only ones that are really functional. Esperanto is the only one with a really large community. Interlingua is intentionally natural and functional. Esperanto, while simple, is clunky to make it work for complex thoughts. I’ve always personally been drawn to interlingua, but it looks like their community is very old and has a very small internet presence. What makes it cool though is that if you can read English to a high level you can pretty much read any Interlingua. There’s a big library on their site and occasionally I consider grinding a bunch out as a way to get a leg up on general romance reading comprehension since I’m sure it would pay dividends. All the spelling is very similar to Latin, it’s basically simplified Latin with Romance word order and no cases. But they don’t even have a complete bible translation so fuck em.
Korean or Madarin?China is practical but does it have any cool media / music
>>217038287You, like most people here, seem hung up on languages being used to talk to people. That's only one aspect of language. For me it's the least interesting aspect. I might learn Toki Pona because if nothing else it might give you an appreciation of subordinating conjunctions and hypotaxis, Toki Pona completely lacks the ability to subordinate clauses and create long complex nested sentences. You can't say "I will buy a sandwich because I am hungry.", you have to say "I am hungry. I will buy a sandwich.", or something like that.
>>217015674latin/greek have massive scholarly value but ancient norse is much easier to learn and gives access to the eddas and sagas which are a lot more fun to read
>>217038438>You, like most people here, seem hung up on languages being used to talk to peopleLanguage is communication. What else is there? I mean sure, movies and TV, but are movies really your primary driver for learning a language?
>>217038438>oh my god why are these plebs learning languages in order to experience the target culture/content and talk with people in their own language? they should be learning purely out of an autistic obsession with philology like mestfu already you are so annoying
>>217033120langue d'oil
>>217038619>Language is communication.Not only. Language is also about how we structure thoughts. Grammar, logic and rhetoric are interconnected. If we take rhetoric as an example, you can view it as the art of persuasion, but you can flip it and view it as the art of knowing whether or not you ought to be persuaded by what you are reading. Grammar, logic and rhetoric are not separate, but a unified system, interconnected subjects, and are the tools of thought. You can think of it as short, intermediate and long modes of conveying meaning in a text or speech. Grammar deals with the meaning in a short collection of words, such as a part of a sentence. Logic deals with the meaning in a longer collection of words, such as a sentence, or a few sentences. Rhetoric deals with the meaning in an even longer collection of words, such as a paragraph, a verse, a chapter etc. The grammar we are taught is a hollowed out version of what it really is, it goes much deeper, we are just taught the bare necessities.
Kek, chatgpt says Die Verwandlung uses hypotaxis to create a sense of claustrophobia. Not sure I'm buying that, chatgpt gives a lot of false information. Previously when I talked to chatgpt it told me German loves long nested sentences, while English tends to break up the text into shorter sentences.---### How hypotaxis creates claustrophobia in Kafka:1. **Long, embedded sentences trap the reader** * Example: *“Er lag auf seinem panzerartig harten Rücken und sah, wenn er den Kopf ein wenig hob, seinen gewölbten, braunen, von bogenförmigen Versteifungen geteilten Bauch, auf dessen Höhe sich die Bettdecke, zum gänzlichen Niedergleiten bereit, kaum noch erhalten konnte.”* * Notice how many clauses are nested: main clause temporal clause (*wenn er den Kopf…*) relative clause (*auf dessen Höhe…*) participial phrase (*zum gänzlichen Niedergleiten bereit*). * The reader must mentally track all the layers, **mirroring Gregor’s own constrained, entangled body and mind**.2. **Delayed action and continuous description** * The subordinated clauses delay the main events (e.g., what Gregor actually sees or does). * This slows down the narrative pace, **forcing the reader into a suspended, tense state**, similar to Gregor’s immobilization.3. **Psychological reflection through structure** * Hypotaxis lets Kafka pack **perception, physicality, and thought into one sentence**. * The complexity mirrors Gregor’s disorientation: he’s trapped in his body, and the reader feels trapped in the sentence.---In contrast: **parataxis**, the short, abrupt clauses later when Gregor tries to move, does the opposite. It **releases tension**, gives a sense of sudden, urgent motion, and mirrors the physical struggle.So yes, Kafka **intentionally uses hypotaxis as a stylistic tool to create claustrophobia and psychological tension**. It’s one of the reasons his opening paragraph feels so “unsettling” even before you know what Gregor has become.
>>217038930I did find it quite striking how hypotactic the first paragraphs of Die Verwandlung are. As a contrast, this is paratactic writing:>From behind the house rises the murmuring of the river. All day long the rain has been beating against the windowpanes; a stream of water trickles down the window at the corner where it is broken. The yellowish light of the day dies down. The room is dim and dull. The newborn child stirs in his cradle.Die Verwandlung, German and Englishhttps://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22367/pg22367-images.htmlhttps://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/5200/pg5200-images.htmlJean-Christophe, French and Englishhttps://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61868/pg61868-images.htmlhttps://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7979/pg7979-images.htmlInterestingly the English translation of Die Verwandlung breaks up sentences into shorter sentences, I saw at least one example:German, one sentence>Er lag auf seinem panzerartig harten Rücken und sah, wenn er den Kopf ein wenig hob, seinen gewölbten, braunen, von bogenförmigen Versteifungen geteilten Bauch, auf dessen Höhe sich die Bettdecke, zum gänzlichen Niedergleiten bereit, kaum noch erhalten konnte.English, two sentences>He lay on his armour-like back, and if he lifted his head a little he could see his brown belly, slightly domed and divided by arches into stiff sections. The bedding was hardly able to cover it and seemed ready to slide off any moment.Does this mean the sense of claustrophobia is lost in translation? Or is chatgpt wrong as usual, and this is just what German and English are like?https://archive.ph/k7046
>>216985198its never going to matter though, outside of CIA niggers learning mandarin 2 days faster. Same as all the ultra-optimized sports research only mattering for olympic athletes, if that, meanwhile fat faggots who take 6 cheat days a week make more of a hobby out of updating their supplement stack and (primarily theoretical) lifting routine. the #1 most important thing is just showing up and doing the work
>>217039224When I first started language learning I just did duolingo and read textbooks, was glacially glacially slowthen I did a little research and moved on to input spam + anki. was faster than before but still very slowThen I did a shit ton of research over the last year (went from hardly ever reading about it to now having read most of the SLA literature) and moved on to glossed CI + pop-up dictionary + anki mining + extracting common sentence patterns (also into anki) and I literally get like 3-4x the gains per hour of study that I used to getIt's good to have hard data about what actually works. People in ireland study irish for like 9+ years in school and are usually barely able to say a few sentences. if they just gave the kids illustrated graded readers + glossed cartoons for 9 years everyone in ireland would know irish
>>217039371>glossed CI + pop-up dictionary + anki mining + extracting common sentence patternscan you give some specifics about your system?
>>217039371>if they just gave the kids illustrated graded readers + glossed cartoons for 9 years everyone in ireland would know irishIt would be hilarious if it weren’t so tragic. Mass dubbing media and immersion schools for kids are basically the only things that have ever had much of an effect on stuff like this.
>>217038438>seem hung up on languages being used to talk to people.I’m sorry do you use your tongue in some other way except to wag it?
If I learn a purely written language like Classical Chinese, would that take half the time since there's no spoken component?
>>217035791BasedI'm not reading until I can do it without looking up any words, and even then I probably won't do it
我丢了我的肉棒!好丢脸了!
>>217036542>destination weddingWill you actually be going anywhere you need to speak Spanish? Or will you be staying in an area for tourists?
>>217040245Well, he’s actually Puerto Rican, and I’ve stayed with his (very large) family before, and I know his family well. Only touristy shit I intend on doing is visiting the old city besides the wedding itself, where again probably 75% percent of the attendees will be Puerto Rican. I guess it’s only sort of a destination wedding, but he doesn’t live there.
>>217038287>is clunky to make it work for complex thoughtshow so?
