I bought the game a few months ago before the 5 came out without knowing, is it too late to get into now?
never too late, friend
what do you mean "too late"? it's a single player game, you can play it any time you want
people who got filtered by grand simulation of 5 still play 4 with it's board game rules
>>217183164I tried to get into paradox games with Crusader Kings II (the one that is free) but after toying with it for a couple of hours i just couldn't get into itAnd given that anything i hear from Paradox these days makes me think of them as a shitty money hungry company i'm not particularly incentivized to give them another chance
>>217183164I do, because it has MEIOU (from which EU5 stole a lot of stuff). EU5-babies have no idea that they are just betatesting a downgraded MEIOU right now
>>217183164Paradox games are normally inferior to their predecessor until they've had more updates and DLC so I wouldn't worry.
I would like to get EU2 to work.
>>217183330In this case EU5 is actually much better than its predecessor due to having systems like population and basic economy simulation
>>217183382Interesting. I got EU4 with most DLC cheap in a humble bundle ages ago but haven't played it much. I liked Victoria 2 though.
>>217183419EU5 is literally EU4 and vic2 combined
>>217183297>Kyivhehe
>>217183164You're about 5 years too late. They kept adding more and more modifiers and buttons that give you resources and eventually it got really unbalanced. Every unknown shithole in the middle of nowhere turns into a super developed metropolis.
>>217183769at least its now a finished paradox game
>>217183769Been like this since day one. The entire EU4 economic premise rests on this. When your economic development is limited not by population but by ruler mana, there's nothing stopping a Sahara desert one province country from turning its capital into a 30/30/30 desert hivecity bigger than Paris
>>217183164I've got 2,500 hours in EU4 and for a whole year I was excited for EU5, but I played only 10 hours of it and fucking hated it so much I went back to EU4 and other older Paradox games (e.g., CK3 and Imperator) and enjoy them much more.EU5 is trash in its current state and not worth the price. EU4 - with all the DLC - is vastly more fun and has WAY more unique flavour and mechanics and replayability. I literally have played 2,500 hours of it and still have tons of things I haven't done in it yet - every single region is unique and fun in its own way. It's the most universal GST ever made.EU5 has pretty much every single nation play the exact same, which is often the case with Paradox games on release. It's absolutely barren of unique content and flavour beyond the first few years of the game.EU4 is so much better, play it and enjoy it.>>217183456Yeah and the Vic influences make it insufferably boring and tedious. I don't want a fucking building simulator.
>>217183825>Been like this since day one.No it hasn't. Day one it didn't even have the option to develop provinces. It also didn't have institutions so third worlders had to westernize to have any chance at catching up in tech.For the first years the game kept improving with expansions but eventually the amount of resources everyone had was way too much and the game suffered big time for it.
>>217183164never to too late to stop playing videogames and do real stuff
>>217183825>Been like this since day oneNo, there was no development system in early EU4.Each province had a predefined base tax that you couldn't increase outside of historical or random events. So rich provinces stayed rich and shitholes stayed shitholes throughout entire game
>>217183877>>217183896Dayem, that explains a lot of stuff about EU4 and Imperator trajectory. I guess Johan pushed for mana in both games and received backlash, which forced him to scale that shit back in EU5. Imperator was the final nail in the coffin and certainly the moment when he gave up the idea
>>217183164The mechanics of 4 are entirely different from 5. It can be a good and a bad thing.
>>217183164Yea, I can play it with you if you wanna try multiplayer
>>217183888I should become king and conquer Europe.
>>217183872EU5 tries to simulate things instead of the EU4 way of arcadish "Press the button to receive +20% income, +10% morale and free claim on Hungary"I've spent 3000 hours in EU4, had a lot of fun finishing mission trees (as memey as they get), but EU5 tries to move the series back into more realistic approach and I like it a lot
>>217184087The eternal tug-of-war between being a game and being a boredom simulator.
>>217184087I agree, and that's fine in principle, but in execution it doesn't work - the game requires such insane micro-management with trade and production unless you automate everything, and even then the game feels barren as fuck because there's ZERO flavour for any nation beyond a couple of unique techs (which are just modifiers).EU5 is mechanically deeper, yes, but absolutely soulless and bland and repetitive to an insane degree.
>>217183955Mana was a mistake. Province development was needed for the game but as you said the mana made development happen in extremely unnatural ways. When they introduced institutions it further encouraged players and AIs to make these Wakanda 40+ dev provinces in a sea of <10 dev shitholes. Now everyone have so much mana that every province becomes Atlantis and it breaks both immersion and province cost balance.
>>217183281You don't need to pay for the games
>>217183164>is it too late to get into now?Brother, I still play Age of Empires II. It was released in 1999, I bought it on my 10th birthday.
>>217184216damn grandpa what are you doing here
>>217184230Suffering.
>>217184216come on old man, time to get the definitive edition
>>217184143I wouldn't be surprised if Paradox decided to, at some point, bring the mission trees or other nation-specific content back, and move the game into more railroady direction, and I wouldn't complain - I'm just happy that they decided to make the base game systems more complex and immersive
>>217184230STFU, he is based
>>217184282They absolutely will have to do that yes, because as it stands there is no flavour or style or uniqueness to any nation, and therefore no incentive to play any other nation because you're just going to be doing the exact same mindlessly boring and tedious building spam and production management as with every other nation, just like in Vic3.The vast majority of criticism of EU5 is that the AI doesdn't do anything and especially doesn't do anything they did historically (e.g., no forming historically relevant nations and empires) and this is directly because they wanted to go for a sandbox approach and not railroad anything, but it turns out when you do that, and let every nation do whatever it wants, it usually just sits there and builds 10000 buildings and does nothing else.EU5 is dogshit compared to EU4 when it comes to emulating the geopolitical reality of the Early Modern Era because of that. It's only fun for autists who obsess over building spam.
>>217184287Isn't it like midnight in Australia? Time to tuck yourself to sleep, pops
>>217184216Ever play 0 AD bro
>>217183164It's a shit game. EU5 would be much better if it wasn't an early access game masquarading as a full product. Come back a year later, until then play Vicky 2
