Why do muslims make up most of the world's terrorists? What causes this?
>>217184418maybe it's just...your bias and stereotypes?do you have a proof for what you said? i mean, a real statistical proof
>>217184418They follow a retarded religion.
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>>217184418I don't know.
>>217184418are you the same austrianposter who hates muslims and posts about it here
>>217185088I'm one of them yes
>>217184418because western media decides who's a terrorist
>>217184418culture of violence
>>217184418one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
>>217185104haha where are they even from in austria? turkey or something
Allah wills it. Do not question about his will
>>217184418defining what's terrorism is inherently political
>>217184418forced to the edge by judaic systematic displacement
>>217184418Because it's the entire point of the religion.Quran:>"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion will all be for Allah Alone" (Quran 8:39)>"Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush" (Quran 9:5, Christians and Jews are polytheists according to 9:30-31)>"Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, while they are subdued" (Quran 9:29)>"Indeed, Allāh has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allāh, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’ān. And who is truer to his covenant than Allāh? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment." (Quran 9:111)>So when you meet those who became infidels, so strike the necks (decapitating) until you have made a great slaughter among them. So firmly bind them. So let there either be free dismissals or for a ransom, until the war is over. In this way, and if Allah wills, he will take vengeance on them, but he would rather test some of you by the other. And those who were killed for the sake of Allah, so he will not let their works go astrayHadiths:>"Paradise has one-hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause, and the distance between each of two grades is like the distance between the Heaven and the Earth" (Bukhari 2790)>"Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords." (Bukhari 2818)Etc etc
>>217185183Used to be Turkey and balkans, but now there's lots of Syrians and """""Syrians"""""" now that they are here turks seem like normal people in comparison
>>217185315You sure things like this don't have anything to do with it?>An infidel and the one who killed him will never be brought together in hell (Mishkat Al-Masabih 3795)>The prophet said: "I have been granted victory through terror being struck into the hearts of my enemies from one month's travel away" (Sunan An-Nisa'i 432)>The prophet said: "My livelihood is under the shade of my spear and he who disobeys me will be humiliated by paying jizya" (Bukhari 2914)>The prophet said: "I have been ordered to fight the people until they say "There is no god other than Allah"." (Bukhari 2946)>I asked the prophet of Allah 'Which deed is most beloved to Allah (SWT)?' He said 'Prayer offered on time, honoring one's parents, and Jihad in the cause of Allah.'>"He who goes forth in Allah's path and dies or is killed is a martyr" (Abu Dawud 2499)Among many many many others?
>>217185315>Da joos forced me to destroy the infidels or however the Allahus are Ackbar'dhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
>>217187859Not that ISIS was adversarial to Israel or had much to do with that conflict, but that's like an average Tuesday in Gaza for the last two years, and it's not called terrorism there.
>>217188195What the fuck did French citizens in have to do with Israel you daft cunt? If you're trying to justify killing westerners because they're "crusader allies of Israel" and are collateral damage then you don't have any excuse to complain about Palis being slaughtered because it's just expatiation of Islam's sins against 1.5 million Armenians, isn't that right? Go back you dumb muzzshit rat.
>>217189084Just making that comparison in order to point out how arbitrary the use of the word terrorism is, retard. I don't think slaughtering innocents can be justified, in either case.
>>217184418It's not a Muslim thing but an Arab thing. Don't include us.
>>217184418Probably their retarded death cult.Probably
>>217190116Islam originated in Arabia nigga
>>217190116Turks still do things like honor killings.
>>217190180And Christianity originated in Jerusalem so every Christian is Jewish
why are all muslim terrorist groups funded by jews?
>>217190221No we don't lol
>>217184418As a muslim i will say because of all the wars done by the west in the middle east, but obviously it does not mean a civilian who doesn't know anything deserves to die, but anger makes you blind to justice, same thing with suicide bombing, its not allowed in islam but my brothers do it because they despair and rather die than live in humiliation
>>217190231But Arabs are still doing terrorism and Islam originated in Arabia not in Israel like Christianity and Judaism
>>217190498>As a muslim i will say because of all the wars done by the west in the middle eastisn't most of muslim terrorism is against other muslims
>>217190498I know this Arab attitude very well: blame others and never take any responsibility.
>>217184418>Leader starts becoming popular in muslim cunt>He seek the interest of the country and not the ones of western powers >Westerners are scared their exportation become too expensives or serve countries they consider enemy>Fund groups that destabilize the country and create chaos>Get rid of the leader amongst the chaos>Congrats the country for their new freedom (living standards are now shitty and westerns cunts gain back power over brownoids)rinse and repeat
>>217184460Yes it's everywhere you retard
>>217186105>>217186762these apply to soldiers only, you are jewish
>>217184460Sobieski would be rolling in his grave. Stop being a fag.
>>217191251Define "soldier" . Also "kill the polytheists wherever you find them" (Quran 9:5) doesn't seem like it's particularly restricted to just soldiers from the phrasing. It's not interpreted figuratively either and if you try to weasel your way out with that angle i can get you its interpretations from all 4 madhabs and Ibn Kathir's commentary too.
>>217190498lol the west didn't write the suras and hadith which jihadis use as sources for the purpose of justifying their actions
>>217184418We're spiritually irish.
>>217191251>these apply to soldiers onlythis doesn't mean anything, jihadists simply employ a different definition of "soldier" than you do. for instance, the late leader of ISIS had a PhD in islamic studies, it's not like he was some random clueless idiot
>>217192180The more interesting part is that most Muslim polities throughout history didn't interpret them in the way modern day Salafi-Jihadists do, and didn't give them the same importance. Those only became popular in the 80s, and that opens up the question of what changed, historically.
>>217190862Libyans really didn't deserve this.
>>217192386back then, muslims focused their energy and violence against the enemies of the caliphate. their struggle was aimed at a specific enemy: the infidels, which they conquered, murdered and enslaved for centuries. with the crisis of the ottoman empire and the rise of secular states they found another enemy: their own governments
>>217192386The Islamic "golden age" that dawahniggers like to yap about so much was during the Abbasid caliphate and they didn't really care much about the actual laws of Islam. Harun Rashid for example, the guy who founded the House of Wisdom, had both a female and male harem (sodomy is haram and merits the death penalty, doubly so since the Caliph is supposed to be a moral/spiritual leader) and his son Al-Amin basically only fucked men and completely shunned his wife and other women to the point that his mother had to make his wife dress like a man so he'd agree to fuck her just to continue the dynasty. He caliphs weren't the only ones doing this, homosexual love poetry was very common and sometimes poets writing about the beauties of their young boy lovers was even more popular than female romance.None of this is exaggeration look it up. The only time Islamic civilization's been any good is when they ignored Pisslam's barbaric and brutish restrictions on everything from drinking while seated to letting the infidels live in peace. Ironically enough salafis want a return to the prosperity of that time while acting like niggers and trying to apply shari'a to the letter and calling Sufis (Salahuddin was Sufi, so were most Abbasids) infidels and bombing their mosques like that one time in 2017 when ISIS killed 310~ in one bombing. Islam is very special desu
>>217184418America poured trillions of dollars into funding jihadists to fight gommunism and by the time the faucet got turned off they already had enough power to be self-sustaining
>>217184418 Because their religion calls for it. >he Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
>>217192503>>217192586You're both making the mistake of treating the Jihadnigger interpretation of Islam as the only valid one and go backwards from there, so any historical counterexample becomes an aberration. That's ahistorical and the same kind of autism they engage in, ironically. It's way more accurate to say that Islam basically acts like any other religion or belief system in that it can be made to mean a lot of different things depending on context and political will, for example.
I dont want to live with them simple as
>>217190116Pakis and Niggers do it too
>>217192772The most extreme form is the purest form. You cannot claim to be different when the core is the same
>>217192829>Niggers???
>>217192855>he doesnt knowIve met ghanian muslims
>>217192855like Boko Haram
>>217192772islam has always been violent and its main goal has always been to subjugate non-muslims. salafis are restorationists, not innovators
>>217192845Cool, I guess. By that logic, the Lord's Resistance Army represents true Christianity and all Christians are spiritually drugged up niggers.
>>217192916I think they're considered backwards-oriented progressives in the secular literature on the topic, and Salafism most definitely is an ideology that was developed in modernity.And name one empire that wasn't violent>Christians were always violent because of muh crusades>Capitalists were always violent because of muh britishers>Communists were always violent because of muh Cccp>Mongols were always violent because of muh gengis Khan>Russians were always violent because of Pootinetc.It's all just word games.
>>217192950 Notice how you had to bring up a thing that happened a hundred years ago to call Christians violent? There are thousands of hundreds of examples that showcase the violent nature of islam from its founding to a few days ago between the stabbings in DC and the stabbings in Madrid. Didn't even name Nigeria and that whole saga.
>>217193188Bodied that freak
>>217192916@TRVKThey're talking about you.
>>217184418Read Islamic scripture
>>217193188>a hundred years agoThe LRA was founded like 40 years ago and still exists. And if you think I was trying to call Christians violent, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
>bomb their home to smithereen>suck their resources to the bone>sanction their country to the last pennygee i wonder
>>217185315>Muslims around the world massacre Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Pagans etc.>"Da jooooos made me do it!"Did the Jews also make Muhammad rape kids and spread Islam by the sword?
>>217193188>There are thousands of hundreds hundreds of thousands*
>>217188195Israel bombs terrorists in Gaza. Islamists in Europe target innocent civilians
>>217192950False equivalency>>217192772Theirs is literally what Allah commanded. Look at the Quran verses and hadiths i quoted above and here are the 4 main Islamic schools of jurisprudence's thoughts on Jihad and note that any attempts to change or rethink Islam are now bid'a:Shafi'i:>"The mushrikun [infidels] of Dar al-Harb (the arena of battle) are of two types: First, those whom the call of Islam has reached, but they have refused it and have taken up arms. The amir of the army has the option of fighting them…in accordance with what he judges to be in the best interest of the Muslims and most harmful to the mushrikun…Second, those whom the invitation to Islam has not reached, although such persons are few nowadays since Allah has made manifest the call of his Messenger…it is forbidden to…begin an attack before explaining the invitation to Islam to them, informing them of the miracles of the Prophet and making plain the proofs so as to encourage acceptance on their part; if they still refuse to accept after this, war is waged against them and they are treated as those whom the call has reached" (Hasan Al-Mawardi, 1058AD)Hanbali:>Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought. As for those who cannot offer resistance or cannot fight, such as women, children, monks, old people, the blind, handicapped and their likes, they shall not be killed unless they actually fight with words(e.g. by propaganda) and acts (e.g. by spying or otherwise assisting in the warfare).” (Ibn Taymiyya, 1328AD)
>>217193316>Thirdie education You do realise that Islam spread as a result of conquest? For centuries prior to the first crusade the Muslims were attacking Europe. Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with western foreign policy in the ME, it's a result of Islam being a death cult that calls for the establishment of a world caliphate
>>217193171the last crusade occurred nearly 1000 years ago. the last caliphate was dismantled less than 100 years ago. and by the way, it's not like the crusades happened in a vacuum. europe had sustained centuries of muslim aggression>>217192950when a christian looks back at the origins of his religion he sees a bunch of jewish proselytizers trying to persuade other jews and pagans within the boundaries of a multicultural empire: "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar", the separation of religion and government is in the gospel. when a muslim looks back at the origins of his religion he sees death and destruction, and a codex or accounts about the life of muhammad ensures he adopts the mentality of the people who lived back then
>>217184418>Why do muslims make up most of the world's terrorists?They don't. The majority of terrorists are in South America, we just call them "cartel" or "militia groups" instead of terrorists.
>>217192772Maliki:>"Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. Its performance by certain individuals may dispense others from it. We Malikis maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting to Islam or paying the poll tax (jizya), short of which war will be declared against them.” (Al-Qayrawani, 996AD)Hanbali:>"It is not lawful to make war upon any people who have never before been called to the faith, without previously requiring them to embrace it, because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith, and also because the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war…If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do."The Quran, Hadiths, sirah, fiqh, and sheikhs are all clear. When dealing with the infidels from a position of strength there are only three choices: 1) Make them convert 2) Make them pay ths jizyah and become dhimmis, or 3) Death. Do you want to make a new religion of your own and ignore 1400 years of thought?
>>217193503Surely there must be better outlets for your autism? I have heard Egypt has some of the most beautiful women in the world.
>>217193316lol how do delusional people like you explain islamist terror attacks against people in non-western countries? who did the Sri Lankan christians that were murdered on easter sunday in 2019 bomb? or the copts in egypt? I even remember muslim terror attacks that happened in your country: what middle eastern nation did you invade and oppress?
>>217193406>False equivalencyNo, look at the context, it's an exact equivalence.And cool copypastas, I'm sure those legal opinions were used in their given context to legimize violence (except for Ibn Taimiyya, I know that he was executed for being an autistic faggot), and ignored when not convenient, this stuff always works like that. I'm also not that interested in looking at scripture and jurisprudence in order to learn about human behavior honestly. If Islam was the way you claim it is based on these quotes, Muslims couldn't help themselves but run around murdering everyone else and each other all the time, and that's not the case, quantitatively speaking, otherwise you wouldn't be alive.>>217193463>the last crusade occurred nearly 1000according to the people you claim are the ultimate authority on Islam, the Americans that invaded Iraq were crusaders, so you're wrong.
>>217193889>according to the people you claim are the ultimate authority on IslamI never claimed such a thing, the point is that there is no ultimate authority and statements like "martyrdom is only legittimate in battle" can be interpreted in multiple ways by different scholars, which is why terrorism exists and enjoys the support of millions of muslims
>>217184418Cold war fuckery and the fact that major parts of the middle east are completely and utterly fucked in terms of stability.
>>217194004>I never claimed such a thing>>217192367>the late leader of ISIS had a PhD in islamic studies, it's not like he was some random clueless idiotAlso, you're kinda making the point I'm making, we just seem to disagree about proportions.
>>217184418Pic related basically invented terrorism.
>>217193889>Muslim polities throughout history didn't interpret them in the way modern day Salafi-Jihadists do>I'm also not that interested in looking at scripture and jurisprudence in order to learn about human behavior honestlyIf you're not trolling I'm literally telling you how they've been interpreted for more than a thousand years and counting. You asked i answered it's up to you whether you want to believe what the foremost Muslim scholars have to say about (((their own))) religion or if you want to make up a cutesy fantasy version of it in your mind. I should warn you that Muslims in most places (especially Syrians like the ones you have in Germany) take their religion very seriously unlike the infidel West, so you should probably care a bit more about how they think and view the world rather than some all encompassing behavioral framework that was modeled after Western societies by westerners and copy pasted to rationalize non-western behavior by westerners. Riddle me this mister scientist, if theological concerns are only used for material expediency, then what benefit does strapping a suicide vest on to bomb a church have for someone? They're not doing it for Allah because he explicitly commanded them to kill the infidels wherever they are found -- it's just a reaction to unequal socioeconomic factors or something and has nothing to do with religion right?
>>217194106there is absolutely nothing in that post that qualifies al-Baghdadi as an ultimate authority.this is what happened: the egyptian poster quoted a few passages from muslim texts; the canadian thus attempted to dismiss him as ignorant of the fact that "they apply to soldiers"... here's my issue with that: if it's so simplex then how come a man with a PhD in islamic studies came to the conclusion that civilians who serve and enable an enemy government can also be considered as soldiers? and why did that message resonate with thousands of muslims from around the world?do you not see where the problem is? to dismiss jihadists as clueless is simply retarded. they just have a different interpretation of the same violent ambiguous scripture
>>217194418Islamic sources usually don't explicitly say "soldiers" they usually say "those who fight against the believers" "those who oppose Allah and his messenger" etc. The leaf knows this and is probably intentionally mistranslating or maybe he's only ever read mistranslated English texts. The ambiguity is intentional because those who need to be killed according to Islam aren't just those who take up the sword, but all who oppose Islam's spread in general such as by spreading propaganda, dissent, insulting/discrediting Islam, banning the preaching/spread of Islam (makes calling people to become Muslims before waging jihad impossible so jihad is automatically applied), etc.
>>217193450>oh boo hoo my ancestors got spanked by the arabs! woe is me!And I guess you bombed their country as revenge?>>217193845>what middle eastern nation did you invade and oppress?Aceh, Darul IslamLook it up
>>217194535I just realized i need to spoon-feed you folks because the taqiyyah has gotten to you, what this means is that someone like me who opposes Islam (because i see its effects every day; it's ruined the Arab world imo) and i spread corruption (awareness) against Islam i should "...be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment." for the crime of (...oppose Allah and his messenger and strive upon earth to spread corruption) as per Quran 5:33 .Normally this wouldn't be a problem because the bible contains similar exhortations to murder like for adulterers and gays and such, but since it's been defanged by secularization and laicite ever since the Renaissance that's not really an issue anymore. Same goes for Jews with their own haskalah. Muslims however have had no such thing because the very concept of secularism is a foreign infidel invention and is antithetical to the Islamic faith which sets out to prescribe every aspect of human life and how one should optimally live and die for Allah. Good luck convincing them to secularize and forget all the verses telling them to kill the infidels any time soon.>>217194712Have you considered telling your Arab cousins to not bomb concerts in France to make people like you a little more? Also please stay out of this Indonesians are peaceful folk you don't need Arab schizo shit in your mind. You got Islam from sufis and Arabs kill sufis nowadays please stay out of this Islander-kun.
>>217194170I didn't ask, but thanks for the answer anyway. Of course Muslim scholars would have had reason to legitimize Imperial expansion during times of conquest, I'm not disputing that. Though you bringing up Ibn Taymiyya, who I know wasn't very significant historically due to his more hardline opinions being a disturbance, and was only re-emphasized during the Salafist Islamic revival and having an incorrect first name for al-Mawardi makes me think you're not exactly making these arguments in good faith. However, the quotes you brought up (I'm going to ignore Taimiyya) can also be read as limiting the use of force during said expansion, which is something I'm sure you're aware of, and Imperial expansion is not something that's unique to Islam in the first place. As for the rest of your tirade, there seems to be a lot of projection going on. Muslims I've met here in Germany and in the predominantly Islamic countries I've visited have never tried converting (except for some dumb kids on the street in Jordan, and then some guy told them to leave me alone) and subjugating me, usually distance themselves from terrorism and religious violence if that topic comes up, and usually emphasize religious coexistence in their discourse. I've also spoken to and been invited to the houses of Christians in a Muslim majority country, and they didn't talk about their Muslim neighbors in the same way you talk about Muslims. Also yes, many Syrians here in Germany take their religion seriously, but none I've met condone terrorism, especially because that's something their country has suffered under, and they want to live in peace.
>>217194170>>217195269Also, I haven't made any statements about materialism versus idealism, so don't project so much, but I don't think it has to be one or the other. I would think of it in a more structuralist sense, that religious discourses and traditions can of course harbor the potential of violent interpretations, but they also need the material conditions to express themselves in such a way, and we have had some of those conditions in the middle east and north africa for some time now, but that doesn't mean that the religion is inherently violent, because it also has other potentialities in it. If Muslim then Violence and going back from there is just a bit of a retard heuristic. Also, maybe things are that bad in Egypt, but reading your comments and noticing the amount of projection and alarmism in there makes me think you maybe are a bit of a paranoid schizo.
>>217191994What about the verse right after it that you try to ignore like a filthy jew>9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.Clearly distinguishes between combatants and non combatants.
>>217190862>>He seek the interest of the country and not the ones of western powersopposite, they did everything the west wants, these retards are the reason the countries are shit, they are installed by the west to larp as independent, dumb ass nafri
>>217192367No you retard, the reason they target civilians is because they justify it by saying the west targets civilians like in palestine without regard for their life. It's more of a revenge thing.
>>217193503>>217193406Yeah everything there is about jihad al talab which is again only against combatants, right now there is only jihad al daf3 known as defensive jihad. I as I said it's clear you are a jew trying to trick people by confusing the two.
>>217196177>Just ignore all of the violence, slave trade, and genocides orchestrated by Muslims kuffar
