What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familytheswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentsrentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki decksrentry.org/refold>>217282467
shit op again
>>217381413>watch a couple videos about Mandarin>youtube starts recommending literal Chinese/Communist propagandaWhat did they mean by this?
>>217381756>watch ccp propaganda>get recommended ccp propagandaare you retarded?
>>217381756Stortech som DuRør er uironsik en radikaliseringsmaskin. Mandarin til CCP propaganda, språk fra midtøsten til religiøse idioter, germanske språk faktisk til opptaker av Hitlertaler. Jeg ikke tør tenke på hva blir anbefalt når du ser noe på russisk.
>>217383084som om amerikansk propaganda var bedre..
comfy saturday input
>>217384488can you tell me what language she speaks
>>217385053Spanish
>>217383084>>217384004vad fan försiggår?
Reminder that if you listen to too many females for input, you WILL develop gay-voice in your TL.
>>217381756>A country's online videos support said countryThis is actually supposed to be normal.
>>217387113I don't really listen to any, my input sources are 90% youtube, and of those youtubers only males make anything remotely interesting, and of said males I ignore 95% of videos because they weren't good.It's been so long since I've watched a youtube video made by a woman. I just get mad if it's a video where it doesn't get to the point, shows the person talking for no reason, has unnecessary cringe "humour" ect. I actually could not tell you the last time I watched a youtube video with a woman talking.
have you every used a target lang as a mutual lingua franca?I never have, but when I hear people speak my target lang online, and I know its also not their first language, I get a very strange feeling
I love russian womenI love post-soviet/CIS womenI love caucasian (literally from the caucasus) womenЯ люблю вceх pyccкoязычных жeнщин
SLA techniques can be really OP for improving your own native language>mining unknown words and interesting sentences to anki>making sentence pattern cards for complex constructions you want to memorize>i+1, continuously reading content thats just slightly beyond normal comfort zone>passive listening to the same i+1 content you've actively watched/readcould get giga hyper-fluent and eloquent in your NL
>>217387113What if your input is all conversations between gay men?
im getting to the point in my writing i think i will need to study grammar
I feel like I'm stuck at the B1 level forever after having studied it for 1500 more hours mainly with movies
>>217387113Maybe gay voice is cute in my TL
>>217392162Do you really need dual subtitles to understand peppa pig?
download the pancakegreat
>>217392372Stupid comment. Yeah, my Spanish level is very low. Peppa Pig is like A2-B1 or something.
>>217391733狗 毛 马 驴 牛 羊 山羊 猪 兔子 公鸡 鸡 火鸡 鹅 鸭 鸽子 鹰 (大)象 狮子 老虎 熊 狼 鹿 狐狸 猴 鼠 老鼠
>>217392396If you understand English you shouldn't need English subtitles to understand Spanish peppa pigIf you're going to use subtitles why not watch something interesting? People only watch this shit for immersion learning
>>217392788It's not a natural method resource. Gently fuck off.
https://books.google.com/books?id=Ul6idVyKzcIC
>>217384004Et eksempel til whataboutism som ut av ordbok, bra jobb.Hva med å ikke anbefale åpne propagandavideoer i helt tatt hvis personen var ikke noensinne interessert på sånne videoer før?
GermanSwedishNorwegianDutch or FlemingRussian (because of central Asia which is cool)> chose for me ?
>>217395491Flemish **
>>217395491German is a dying languageNo one speaks Swedish, Dutch or Norwegian and they all speak English anywayRussian is in tremendous decline and Central Asia is cleansing Russian from their countries. Soon it will only be used in Russia, which is projected to half in population.Learn a more useful language like Spanish, Mandarin or Bahasa.
>>217395491>>217395524> Dutch or FlemishName one (1) thing you'd use this language for. The other Germanic languages you listed have interesting books and movies at least.> central AsiaMight want to add Persian to your list, then.
>>217395570>Bahasa>LanguageWhy do people say this.
>>217395491Out of all of these languages, Russian. If for nothing else, us and russia relations might get better in the future
>>217395634Is Persian technically “easier” than Russian for example ? That’s what I need to figure out. Too bad for Scandinavian languages. Maybe Russian I guess … don’t like Russian culture a lot (laws/customs). I will have to make a list of pros and cons probably.
>>217395798Yeah….. :/ Maybe you’re right
Jordette
I personally feel attacked when American people say, >'Wow, you are so good at English.' It sounds like >'Wow, you are not native, just sort of POS who has still an accent and stupid GRAMMAR, AHHHHHHHHHHH'I just want to pass as an English native speaker, like no one believe I was born in South Korea, in the very first place
>>217389617>>217389721How much French pokemon can you understand at that level?
>>217396167I understand most of the dialogues but there are too many expressions and words I don't know
>>217395927Persian grammar seems very chill, Russian much less so. Persian vocabulary will be foreign, but so will be Russian. Orthography will be annoying in both: no indication of short vowels in Arabic script, or of syllable stress in Russian (some chad recently said he's learning Tajik to avoid the Arabic script, but I don't know whether he was serious). On balance, Persian appears easier to me, but I have learned neither.You keep asking the thread about the language you should learn next, but I imagine this rarely works out (ask Jordie), because after the honeymoon period you need something to keep going, especially for harder languages.The goal for, say, Russian learners is often classic literature, for Persian learners it's poetry. But at the end it needs to be something (you) enjoy. Sample some books or movies in translation, and see whether there's anything that speaks to you.
i hope to one day do baldandbankrupt type shit (not sexpesting, just chatting asians deep in the steppes) but this goal is unfortunately not concrete enough for me to study daily
>>217395304>slenger bort nok tid på youtube for å bry seg om slikt >tenker at han an vanligvis unngår retarda propaganda og søppel>æææ det er jo whataboutism>jeg anga jo ikke at jeg vil se på søppel på nettopp den nettsida, hvis funksjon består i å binde mongoer til skjermen med søpppel å skaffe reklameintekter ja du altså der sier du noe, det var virkelig urettferdig det
>>217397233it would be so funny if he got killed one day. not even for committing a crime or being a retarded rapist, just because some drunk churka thinks he looks like a fag. it'd be a worthy end
>>217397737Hvem siterer du?
>>217397145Thanks !I hate poetry but oh well ! One thing is Russian is seen as “bad” politically, and again : is this actually important to think about and will it have an impact if I go forwards with it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHj_CaVpHxQIt's up!
>>217398125noen homse fra italia
>>217398290Imagine if the results come in and he flunked.
>>217395927Persian is easier>>217397145the no short vowels thing doesn't really matter when in Persian there are only three short vowels (a e o) and â i u are almost always indicated in writingOrthography is a problem you get over quickly; grammar can fuck you over for your entire time learning the languageirregular verbs in Spanish are still difficult for me but I have zero trouble with complicated Chinese characters because once you learn the rules and all that they're just not difficult
what are the best languages for entertainment media?
>>217398278Surely decent speakers are to be found for any language, but yeah, if half of a random sample turns out to be Putin apologists, it might wear on you.Then again, Iran is currently ruled by a fundamentalist regime. Still got a surprisingly robust movie scene, if poetry isn't your thing.
>>217398838It seems like English and Japanese have a stranglehold on that.
>>217399187there are 11 languages between english and japanese if we are counting by total speakers why didnt any of them manage a stranglehold? are they dumb?
>move to another country for studies>for a few years of my life learning a language was my top priority>can't get work visa to stay there long-term>break up with native speaker gf>develop terrible emotional connection with my language>years later I still feel guilt over not investing more time grinding immersion/mining cards>no interest over its media>thought of learning other languages but no real pullwhat should I do. I'm guessing others have gone through a similar process. the language in question is Korean, and I reached a decent level (topik 6, conversational, able to read literature, etc)
>>217399809They didn't make enough porn
>>217381413Challenge from last thread: >easyToday is a beautiful dayI love walks in the parkMy dog is too cute>mediumTaking long strolls out on my lush lawn is great.Though I feel winded by work today, I still have enough spirit to march out into nature today.Canines are infectious little monsters, í cant get enough of them>hardOn this long winding road, I can hear theBellows of a beast writhing in pain as I take another step, I dare not imagine what horrors lie ahead, what abomination lurks beyond my line of sight.
>>217399870Korean porn is weird, the actors have to keep their underwear on at all times.
i'm glad that at least coomers will die alone
>>217399809The Japanese know English so poorly that they have to rely on their own production, and at the same time they are a wealthy and consumerist nation enough to afford to produce their own content in high quality (unlike Brazil, for example, where production standards are lower and piracy is more common, although they still have a lot of content, this is mainly due to scale). The shitty work culture probably plays a role too.
>>217398838Chinese is great and China has infinite cultural media hidden behind the firewall. Jeets have similar stuff that has millions of viewers that you've never heard of if you're willing to learn poo golem languages. On a lesser extent Turkish, Korean, Japanese, Egyptian Arabic, Spanish and Portuguese all have their own stuff.
>>217399187English only has a stranglehold because the anglosphere is the majority of the west, eurocucks don't produce their own culture or media. Very dissapointing, but if you try to learn Italian or French you will quickly realize Europeans are all just wannabe americans with no cultural identity of their own. Their languages are likely going to die out within the century anyways.
>>217400232It's not that I don't believe you, but some examples would be nice.
>>217400340Just go on bilibili
>>217398838>>217399809The most useful are probably English -> Japanese -> French in that order if you only care about media. Korean is a solid choice. China is producing their own stuff so that has potential too.
>>217400010>Today is a beautiful dayHoy es un diá hermoso.>I love walks in the parkMe gusta cambiar en el parqué.>My dog is too cuteMi perro es tanto lindo.
page ten
>>217398278>I hate poetrybecause English is not a language for poetry
>>217398924>Then again, Iran is currently ruled by a fundamentalist regime. Still got a surprisingly robust shoe scene, if handbags aren't your thing.
>>217399820I don't think there's any way you can solve this without going back or somehow using Korean daily in life in Spain (job maybe?)so just let it go
Lute needs a reading mode where it just shows you random sentences from texts you've already completed that still contain words you haven't fully learned, based on a difficulty setting (1,2,3...n unknowns). Passed the beginner stage, it's no longer worth re-reading entire texts to get those spaced repetition gains, re-reading only certain sentences would be more efficient.>but that's just sentence miningIt's similar, but you don't have to spend time mining or deciding which sentences are worth mining and you're not reviewing them like flashcards, you just get a page's worth of random sentences to review. You get a lot more variety, not just one form of the word in a specific sentence you've mined, but potentially any form that you've encountered.
>>217400317For mindless slop, yes. That's clearly what you consume. But you're saying "culture and media" overall, and then no, there are for example a ton of books published annually in German.
>>217402700you can ask in their discord but it's made by just one guy who codes everything and when you suggest something he usually just says "wow that sounds cool you should code it yourself as a js plugin :)"
>>217396156americans like asians, you are unironically better off not quite passing as a native speaker
>>217402899Based.
>>217395491>>217395927Russian has a relatively complicated declension system, imperfectives (for some reason, English speakers aren't very good with those), inconsistent stress that you'll have to memorize, etc.From what I've read about Persian, it has some Arabic influences and a rather noticeable difference between the spoken and written language.If you want to stick to Central Asia, Persian is probably enough, though I doubt you'll find more Persian info on, say, Kazakhstan, than you'd find in Russian. With Russian, you'll have both a broader region and a broader timeframe than you'd have with Persian. It would also provide a solid base for understanding/learning Slavic languages in general.>>217402541Eh, there's some good English poetry out there. May not be the best language for it, but certainly not the worst.
>>217400010Begin by learning English.
Just like learn language
>>217403222>Eh, there's some good English poetry out there. May not be the best language for it, but certainly not the worst.No, fuck off with that pussyfooting, English sucks for poetry, it's one of the worst languages for it. Then again that Canadian is clearly from the French speaking part of Canada so it doesn't really apply, they just didn't read any good poetry I guess. Tolkien learned Finnish specifically to be able to read Kalevala.
>>217396855>>217389721>>217389617whats ur discord
>>217403222Thank you, Lithuania boy (also you have a cool language)
>>217403496Word.https://youtu.be/CJQU22Ttpwc
Just imagine yourself learning Russian, yes russian, that fucking disgusting, nasty, putrid language. fucking inserting it into your brain. Having that goblin speak inscripted inside your memory.Now imagine people doing that deliberately to themselves.What have the world come to?
>>217405151Script is easy to read. Problem is everything else
>>217402899I'll write it myself but I'll make a separate external app that just reads from the DB and fits my own needs. Can't be arsed to deal with his codebase and open-source autism.
>>217405151It's even worse knowing they could have at least settled for a civilized and useful language like Polish to scratch that itch for beets and sour cream, but no. Russian, for some fucking reason.
I want to be fluent now
I have like B2-level passive comprehension in Portuguese but I can't be arsed to drill the 50 or so most common verb forms and their conjugations so I do conjugate on the spot with all the words I know. Romance languages and their verbs are so annoying.
I wany to know the language without learning. Learning the basics is humbling. It's like learning to ride a bike at 30.
Or even humiliating
>>217405687Polish is hard to read :(
>>217405687>polish>civilizedNot implying Russian is any better, but c'mon, do you really think przprzprze kurwa jebać language is the alternative?>>217403632At least from a surface glance, any polysynthetic seems like a far worse choice for poetry than English. I can't really comment more without asking "what makes you think English is worse in this regard than other languages?"
>>217406192Polish is dignified as fuck.Look at this.Polish:>Niech stanie się światłośćRussian:>Da budiet swietIt's the same phrase. Why is Russian so primitive and watered down?
why does everyone always say Persian is easy to learn?
>>217406917Because Russian is simplified (educate urself). Problem is culturally Russian is not great and we all know why. They just have more people/better music so more relevant. If polish wasn’t so difficult, I’d learn her (I have polish ancestry at least)
>>217408268Because Persian cats are cute <3
>>217406917Russian looks and sounds better.
>>217408268A lot of people who are interested in Persian have also considered Arabic. Persian is an absolute breeze next to Arabic, which causes a lot of people to say it's easier.
>>217408650LOL>>217408344Russian is watered down for the purpose of communication between low IQ monkeys >better musiconly a greater quantity of music
>>217408800What are u learning ? Are u the Czech one ?
>>217408800YWNBAP
>>217408958>everyone has forgotten about poleaf and my legacy has been replaced by czechleaf
>>217409088who?
>>217408958how is your basque coming along btw
>>217403388It’s fine, you’re just being a sperg. I’d probably just change spirt to energy and have a period after pain
just lost my 675 day duolingo streak the other day and pretty happy about it desu because it was becoming a dopamine-farming chore and was riddled with ai shit and was not very fun. what do you suggest as your brainless revision 5 mins a day app/tool?anki is different
>>217405891you can't complain about verb forms when you have cases bro like come on
>>217409232TL shittok
J’vais t’montrer de quel bois j’me chauffe !I’ll show you what I’m made of!Ti farò vedere di che pasta sono fatto!Frenchies are constantly reading poems aren't they? >>217403642Don't have it
>>217409232clozemaster
>>217399809A lot of countries mostly make things in English. Most of the world has non existent copyright laws so nobody bothers making anything. Some countries such as China have too much censorship so nobody is allowed to make anything good. And most importantly, most countries are too retarded to make anything worth consooming. >>217409232Anki is the clear answer though. You can always just read a book for 5 minutes.
>>217387113i shall sound like a cute korean girl
>>217411367You shan't
>>217387113Yeshttps://youtu.be/7m_jNg086Ng
I did the 1k words. I did some mining. I'm realizing this is more effort than I thought. Can I do 30 mins of input per day and get there? 5 years is fine. I'm not in a rush, but if at 30 mins to 1 hour a day I'm merely wasting my time and ngmi, then I would like to know now so I can quit immediately. Thanks
>>217411452depends on what language. if euro language 1 hour a day is enough, if slavic or asian language need more. The good news is that once you get to a high enough level of proficiency it takes much less work to progress further, you can just turn on audio in TL, switch entertainment to TL, don't need to actively study it. So it's best to just hardline it until you're semi-fluent and then just use the language as entertainment sourceif you're doing 8 hours a day you can get to that point very quickly [few months] in an easy language like swedish or german. if japanese or korean may take a couple years to get there even at that level of effort
>>217410905
>>217410631how long have you been learning and ur method? curious because u said uve only watched movies?
>>217412536Basically what >>217411797 described. I started by learning pronunciation and expanding my vocabulary and studying all the major grammar points. The important thing is not trying to memorize everything perfectly at this point because you’ll stumble over the same words and grammar again anyway every time you read something new. Then I moved on to a B2 prep book and began by thoroughly understanding all the vocabulary, grammar, and other key expressions in the listening scripts. Then it was just a cycle of listening and reading aloud, over and over again. After that I've been doing the same thing with movies, news script and random YouTube clips. And for the last six months or so every time I run into a word I don’t know I’ve been asking ChatGPT to translate it into three languages with example sentences. To be honest I wasn’t studying consistently all the time but I’ve probably been at it for about three years. Italian was the language I studied after English but compared to Italian French is on a completely different level. My French is still shit so I don’t think this was very convincing
>>217409228Next time copy a text from a book or article instead of writing it yourself. There are several flaws in that writing.
>>217406192Yes, polysynthetic languages are possibly even worse but few people speak or study such languages. English is bad for poetry because of its rigid word order which is due to having no cases and no genders. French is probably just slightly better. My ranking for poetry:1) fusional languages, cases and genders (Latin, German, Russian etc)2) agglutinative languages, cases but no genders (Finnish, Turkish, Japanese etc)3) analytic languages with genders but no cases (French, Spanish, Italian etc)4) analytic languages with neither cases nor genders (English, Chinese etc)5) polysynthetic languages
>>217405898Most people are like that. I'm the opposite. I enjoy learning languages for its own sake and don't care about becoming proficient. Learn to carpe diem.
If you can't explain this in your target language, you aren't fluent enough
I ended up loving assimil, you practice listening comprehension reading speaking writing all together. The regular book and the perfection book together are nearly 4 hours of audio. Should I add a grammar book or just watch movies and do immersion?
>>217415080Chinese is great for poetry, you don't know what you're talking about
>>217415299Buddy, most people can't tell you the order of the planets. You might be asking a bit much.
>>217416190I'm talking about Modern Mandarin, not Classical Chinese.
>>217416190And yeah I don't know a lot about poetry, but I know that classicists think classical languages are superior to English for poetry, and I know that rigid word order is a minus for poetry, which is pretty self-explanatory considering that poetry is all about creating rhythm etc, which needs free word order to work, hence the more rigid the word order, the less suited for poetry, that's what I based my ranking on, which was just a thesis for discussion, meant to invite counterpoints. "you don't know what you're talking about" is not a counterpoint.
Tolkien learned Finnish just to read this. (Finnish poetry)https://youtu.be/Ajv2ceCiu_M&t=207
We're living in Idiocracy. Just disregard everything written in the past 100 years. Grammar has gone downhill. They had it figured out, it was great, then it became a confused mess, it evolved just like music.grammar thenhttps://youtu.be/36GDwcWfdy8grammar nowhttps://youtu.be/twi2KfenlGs
Just found out about animate and inanimate nouns AAAGGH I'M COOOOMING
>>217417445wait until you find out about ergativity
My 23and me got updated I'm 0,6% central asian and 0,5% Albanian and Macedonian
https://youtu.be/qxOJ4p8e7NQ
>>217418192bruh
>>217418420?
>>217411452>I did some mining.Imo 1 million total words from highly varied material will contain everything you need to learn. If you read at 3 words per second (slow) for 30 minutes per day you will reach it in 186 days so just over 6 months.
>>217418644nostra has to be nostrisalso i'm pretty sure "from our houses" requires a preposition in latin, the ablative by itself usually has an instrumental meaning
>>217419446Possible. Still he's getting his point across, that in a fusional language multiple grammatical features are merged into one affix.
>>217415080Thanks Where would you rank scandi languages ?
>>217415080>>217416190>>217416293... Classical Chinese is even more analytic than Modern.
>>217420432Keep in mind this is just my bullshit ranking, I really know nothing about poetry. (no bully) Scandi languages are analytic languages with genders but no cases, so no 3. The exception is Icelandic and Faroese. They're inflected languages like German.https://libgen.li/edition.php?id=136528773
>>217420601Error :(
>>217420701Yeah libgen seems to be having problems today. Just refresh a few times, or try these:https://annas-archive.org/md5/73dc5301bbd8ed2ff84306c2a78a60b8https://ipfs.io/ipfs/bafykbzacecgooh4o2q34kjurxt7oj5jle4xnkako63uycwlgikqhd7pbgyj4u?filename=[]%20Fri%C3%B0j%C3%B3nsson,%20J%C3%B3n%20-%20A%20Course%20in%20Modern%20Icelandic%20(1978,%20T%C3%ADmariti%C3%B0%20Sk%C3%A1k).pdfIt's a comfy little book, if I say so myself. And you begin learning instantly.
>>217418420>>217418644The way he defines morpheme-to-word ratio is suspect too
Reposting these old general grammar books because they're that good.Principles of general grammar. Comp. and arranged for the use of colleges and schools by Roemer, Jeanhttps://archive.org/details/principlesgener00roemgoogPrinciples of general grammar : adapted to the capacity of youth, and proper to serve as an introduction to the study of languages by Silvestre de Sacy, A. I. (Antoine Isaac)https://archive.org/details/principlesgener00sacygoog
Has a Swedish flag ever made a good post in this general?
>>217423091There's the Old Norse guy, but haven't seen him post in a while.Only reason I couldn't bring myself to filter the flag yet.
>>217423091yes im replying to it right now
>>217420432>>217420601where would you rank basque
>>217423091Be the change you wish to see in /lang/
>>217424499
>>217414843How about pointing them out instead of being vague as fuck mouthbreather
>>217425025Also, I meant for that I with an accent to be a normal I, I was phoneposting so it was just a weird autocorrect thing but doesn't affect anything
>>217415080Having freer word order makes for more natural-sounding (and thus arguably better) poetry, I can agree with that....But that doesn't mean poetic inversion isn't an option either. If you want to say "Saw I did, the houses red", doesn't exactly sound natural, but it'll be understood, and that's what's important, no?Granted, the above is an extreme example, but it's not hard to think of a more common one, e.g. "In God we trust" - the usual order would be "We trust in God", but no English speaker would try correcting you, would they?Inversion isn't limited to analytic languages either. For example, you mention German, and I know it's a language you have a fairly good knowledge of. Well, you should know then, that adjectives come before nouns (excluding sentences like "the house is red"). If you try putting them after nouns, you'll immediately get that poetry-like feel.Besides that, the endings (sometimes the words themselves too) of fusional and agglunative languages are often longer than whatever the equivalent phrase would be in an analytic language. Example from my native language - "In the Red Book" would be "Raudonojoje Knygoje" (the endings are -ojoje and -oje respectively). The Lithuanian example is twice as long as the English one. It's very rare for a direct English-to-Lithuanian (or Latin, or Finnish...) to have English be longer than the language being translated to. As logic follows, the more syllables a word/phrase takes, the harder it is to fit it into a normal-sized meter. On the other side, a language like Chinese can get away with having a lot of meaning while only having 4 or 5 syllables per line....Whatever the case, the original point was that there's good English poetry out there in spite of it being written in English, not because of.
>>217424590I generally agree. Maybe I'd put Japanese and Polish and Persian one tier lower and French one tier higher
>>217402700Well, that was pretty easy. I'll try using it daily to see if it actually helps.
>>217425713Keep dreaming. French is only useful to speak to a bunch of african niggers. It should be even lower.
>>217424590why are languages like chuvash and inuktitut above basque
>>217424590hungarian shoukd probably be in b tier
>>217425713polish is lesser than hungarian? really?
The boulder is stuck. Progress is stalled.
>>217426744No worries, you got eternity to figure it out.
>>217424590> t. doesn't know what Pali is
What language is the most snowpitiful?
Did Shel quit streaming?
>>217424590i cant get mad at that
>>217427996>snowpitifulwhat?fucking kacaps always coming up with these ESLisms
>>217428051hehe
>>217426896
>>217387452
>>217424590>arabic that high How beneficial is learning Arabic in terms of job opportunities other than the obvious Arabic-english teacher stuff
>kicked out of uni>no linguistics degree>anki reviews are stacking>depressedits over
>>217429200now i am a 21 year old loser. do not do what i did
>>217429200>kicked out of uniMore free time now.>no linguistics degreeDodged a bullet, it's worthless.>anki reviews are stackingIt's shit anyway. Just read TL texts instead.>depressedUseful adaptive signal that things are not working.>21Still 4 more years of neuroplasticity. There is still plenty of time for everything.
>>217429401>4 more years of neuroplasticity.actually neuroplasticity does not end I learned it in my biological psychology course. It is just that grey matter formation takes time and might slow down once your brain is 'grown up'-now I am going to be 22 starting a new degree next year it is so over for me
>>217429200>>217429518Tell us your TL at least, so that this pity party is somewhat on topic.It's not truly over unless it's Russian or so.
>>217429518i am thinking about studying chinese and just moving to china>>217429564my TL langs were chinese/german and french, but i have dabbled in all real languages
>>217429200>>kicked outhow?
>>217429698>start morning off with a shot of vodka and double espresso>bring homemade rum cola to school for throughout the day in a flask (also another flask for coffee)>always late with assignments>people (women/leftists?) report me for being disruptive >get kicked out after my 3rd warningpeople can be on two different SSRIs, birth control, steroids, nicotine, dexamph but if i drink a little it is a problem?
>>217429828anyway should I start my degree in Chinese Language and Culture next year? seems comfy
>>217429828>people can be on two different SSRIs, birth control, steroids, nicotine, dexamph but if i drink a little it is a problem?I'm going to guess that it wasn't just a little.
>>217429828Based
>>217429955mixed a 1l flask with 50/50 cola/bacardi and sometimes threw in a little extra for variation. That really wasn't that much to drink though out an entire day.It is not like i was harassing all the women dressed like whores no i was just minding my own business on the campuses and they feel an urge to report me. I never reported anyone for smoking weed on campus and i see it all the time but a little drink is a no-go? unfair system
>>217429518>>217429912I knew this German guy who was 26-27, did an undergraduate at some prestigious German musical conservatory, graduated, then is doing a second undergraduate in Chinesehe seemed happy but he was so immature for his agedon't just do a second undergraduate because you think you have to have a degree to succeed/want a university experience, only do it if you really want toit would probably be better for you to just go straight into employment (you could English-teacher scumbag around for a few years) than delay another 3-4 years in a second undergrad, graduate at 26 and have very little to show for it
>>217429828>>217430182reading this you would be a perfect English teacher in China. They are all alcoholics too
>>217431034i got kicked out I do not have a degree thoughbeit
Finna learn Tagalog frfr
why are canadian flag posts so low quality in this thread? these people need to be studied
I'm wondering which Romance language to learn alongside German for a bit of variety. Any suggestions?>>217426285It's still important language in the EU, humanities, political science, history, automotive and STEM related industries>>217426671Then Hungarian should be lower too>>217429200Similar situation but I'm old now, no depression, no alcohol, but also no neuroplasticity anymore. You are young, just get back at Uni and get some degree.>>217430182>>217429828Bread crusts or gloves in your mouth to kill the alcoholic smell a bit>bacardiOr maybe drop drinking
>>217432331your just mad cause you skipped basque day
>>217432484TRVTHNVKE
>>217429828Honestly you should just stop drinking, it doesn’t benefit you and it’s probably making your life harder
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>>217431034Being a spergy 25 year old fresh out of college is pain, my age says i'm ready for work but my mind yearns for 4 more years of study and leisure
>>217432763i cant stand being sober. all my childhood traumas ruined my development you know? people like me are cooked
>>217432802شەرقىي تۈركىستاننىڭ ئەركىنلىكى مىڭ يىل بولسۇن!تۈبۈت ئەلنىڭ ئەركىنلىكى مىڭ يىل بولسۇن!
>>217431355Go get a job lil nigga
>>217433631no i am going to study chinese or japanese or german i am only 21 years young
found a weird Japanese westaboo guy on youtube. seems to be a philosophy teacher but also seems like he might be some kind of cult leaderhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdgswra3OqQ
>>217432424>Any suggestions?just make a decision and stick to it at this point anon
my french writing is b1 but grammar is screwing me over from getting b2. what do?
>>217424590I mostly agree but-Mandarin and French should swap places. French covers so much of the planet and is one of the few truly "global" languages while Mandarin is just China.-Drop Swahili to B minus. Nobody cares about Africa. Anybody in Africa of importance already knows English, French, or Arabic. -Drop Persian down one tier. Iran needs to go through tons of reform and stop being a pariah state before they can be compared to Turkey, Germany, and Japan, but maybe one day.
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>>217423091>>217423152>>217424479>>217424578>I was eating cheetos, masturbating to this Spanish speaking gamer girl, because I love learning languages. I was having a great time. Then this faggot ruined my day by talking about ergative-absolutive alignment!>Yeah! Me too. Fuck that guy!literally you
>>217424590We were talking about ranking languages by how good they are FOR POETRY, not how good they are overall.
>>217435084basque poetry?
Not input or output but a secret third thing.
>>217435028Thought you moved to /lit/?
>>217435285onput
>>217425025You posted a translation challenge, not a critique-my-writing post. Why would we challenge ourselves to translate into other languages your self-composed bullshit English? You can easily find texts by actual writers online. You should post your writing here: >>>/lit/24931322But since you're asking I'll give my two cents, which might be wrong.>My dog is too cuteYeah, you can say that but "too" there is figurative language, so it's not very fitting for "easy", you should stick to literal language for "easy", "so" or "very" instead of "too".>Though I feel winded by work today, I still have enough spirit to march out into nature today."Winded" is not something you say about "today". Using "though" and "still" in the same sentence is kind of a pleonasm or tautology. You also said "today" twice which is redundant.
>>217434873>Drop Persian down one tier. Iran needs to go through tons of reform and stop being a pariah state before they can be compared to Turkey, Germany, and Japan, but maybe one day.Persian is pretty GOATed if you're looking to become a glowie. The fact that it can single-handily get you a job would make me rank it above languages like Turkish and maybe even German.
>>217435028Kek keep posting your blogposts about retard-level grammar and attempts at socratic dialogue with chatGPT. We're all ears!
>>217435415If you're not a glowie or a history autist, Persian is worthless. Small economy, minimal media production, unsafe for tourism. I can imagine the regime being toppled (pretty much what Israel and US wants), undergoing massive reforms, sanctions removed, and it eventually becomes a strong cultural power and tourist attraction, similar to Germany, Turkey, and Japan, but it isn't even close to that yet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_rD8fkLE0YU
>>217420894I love this textbook for Icelandic. More textbooks should use this format.It's a little similar to these books for German and Spanish:https://annas-archive.org/md5/2076803aab2c577235a108f6e5fd471bhttps://annas-archive.org/md5/f8024a0105df20bae5f2b311c401917b
>>217435232I don't know about much about Basque. It has cases but no genders so it's probably in the same tier as Finnish for poetry, which is pretty high but not the absolute highest. Poetry or other fiction in Basque is probably worth learning to read regardless, for example having ergativity in their fiction probably makes it a mind bender to read. One guy was studying Classical Nahuatl, that's another language to look into.
>>217434200for a few seconds I thought his eyebrows were his eyeballs
>>217425400German has some analytic features, it's really a semi-synthetic language. Still, it has relatively free word order and therefore should probably rank high for poetry, probably lower than Latin, which isn't called a classical language without reason. It should probably also rank higher than languages that don't have both cases and genders (tiers 2 and 3), so I maintain that fusional languages are probably the best for poetry, and German is normally included in that category.
>>217425892tldr and rating on lute?
new issue of Deutsch perfekt is outhttps://vk.com/doc221391420_692000667?hash=3V1nI2zUHpt1fYk6Wghys0zzzXPpHsr2I3kGEOuBIeH
is all phonk in portugese?
>>217435619>>217420894Awesome, this seems pretty coolIt'd be cool to be able to read Icelandic non-fiction
wtf why does "llevar" sound like "jevar"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZXrGDXsD-4&t=2m59sI thought "ll" was something like a "y" sound
>>217438131It's like that in Argentina and some other places. Something similar happened to Italian centuries ago.
>>217438510That's not what it sounds like in argentinian.
>>217438131Fix your ears.
>>217439061nah I hear the subtle difference. she also pronounced "ya" like "ja" at one pointwiktionary says this>/ʝeˈbaɾ/ [ɟ͡ʝeˈβ̞aɾ]
>>217439199She didn't say /d͡ʒ/ as you said.
does anyone speak gen z/gen alpha fluently?are there comprehensible input sources
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>>217439496>Gen alpha CIKai Cenat streams are good if you're just starting outTry Aiden Ross once you're B2
>>217424590Kannada and Telugu are absolutely not less important than Punjabi or Gujarati. I'd even put them above Tamil and Khmer, honestly. Malay and Vietnamese being lower than Thai and Khmer also doesn't really make sense.
>>217424590>Learning an SS tier and a C tierAs it should be
>>217434347I did. German. I wanted a Romance language as a side project alongside German to give me a sense of progress
Mostly agree with the chart but French should be elevated to the same tier as Spanish at least. While Spanish and Mandarin have a lot of native speakers, French is also spoken in a lot of different world regions, some of which are very significant, like North America and Western Europe where like 5/6 EU institutions are located in French-speaking cities, many UN organs are located in French-speaking cities like Paris, Geneva and Montreal. Also French speaking regions are dispersed all over the planet and are not clustered in like 2 world regions like Chinese and Spanish, such as: Western Europe and Central Europe, North and Sub-Saharan Africa, North America, the Caribbean, Levant, Indian Ocean, Pacific Islands.
