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Can we all agree that Germany is basically the "ground zero" of civilization and the West?
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>>217611137
france*
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>>217611176
france is basically a museum at this point anon
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>>217611202
france is the reason why burgeois society exists and why countries in europe are all democracies with some tricolor flag that imitates theirs
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France-Germany
Charlemagne was basically the forefather of modern europe and he is most closely associated with those two lands.
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>>217611296
Yeah but that model is starting to lose relevance
Everyone is starting to realise the French Revolution was kind of a necessary mistake
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>>217611509
>Yeah but that model is starting to lose relevance

Actually, people are only switching to the right wing burgeois instead of the left wing burgeois we had before.

Rejecting the French Revolution would mean rejecting Liberal Democracy altogether in favour of "unconstutional monarchy", something that will not happen.
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>civilization
greece (specifically athens) and rome
>the west
USA is the default "western" culture through its cultural exports (movies, music, books)
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>>217611137
Lol
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>>217611860
>USA is the default
Maybe like 20 years ago we were. It's a mixed bag now.
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>>217611202
Why



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