>>217621881
you are free to go there then dumbtard
Why the fuck would an engineering company hire someone who can't show at the construction site because he lives like 2000km away?

>>217621932
>you are free to go there then dumbtard
how do you go there with 3 months of notice period and housing crisis so you cant even find a place to rent for months?

>>217621932
We live in era of technology where airplanes fly through the skies

>>217621932
If the construction site is in Spain why does it matter? They won't build anything.

>>217621972
good luck getting some company willing to pay for your daily planet ticket when they can just hire someone who lives 3 blocks away
>>217621970
why should a company bother if you are going to have so many problems to settle and start your new position? That's why they prioritize local people, lesser hassle and greater availability.

>>217622025
>why should a company bother if you are going to have so many problems to settle and start your new position? That's why they prioritize local people, lesser hassle and greater availability.
I dont disagree with this I am just saying that the EU was sold on a bullshit premise that contradicts reality
it doesn't actually make finding jobs in another country easier

>>217621932
Can't the engineering company just... IDK? Subscribe to an AI LLM? Instead of hiring any loser?
Like, Microsoft is already introducing AIs to Excel and the rest of their Office products. What do engineers use? AutoCAD? Like architects?
I have no idea what those elitist faggots use but I'm sure it's only a matter of time until you can just type a prompt in AutoCAD like: Design me a diesel engine with such and such or design a skyscraper with such and such, and you just go around tweaking and polishing what you don't like until it's perfect to you? Sort of like building your dream house in Sims 4 but it actually takes 20 seconds to type your sentence and have your starting base and just decorate the rest, print it, send it to the client.
Seriously, how many more years of usefulness can STEMcels provide? 1 year? 3 years? 5 years MAX?
And if you try to deny this and cope you do not understand what the concept of machine learning or neural networks entails.
Explain to me how an a architecture firm or engineering firm can't just carry on with all their projects with just 20% of the personnel and AI driven software?

>>217622054
If you are a mid-level or senior professional, they'll be more likely to let you move. They don't let juniors move for jobs

>>217622054
But it does? I mean companies aren't forced to hire people from X or Y, but they can tap into a larger pool than before, and if you want to work elsewhere at the very least you have a chance. But that doesn't mean companies are forced to hire certain people.
Nowadays the chances are low but they do exist. Before schengen and the EU the chances were simply 0. So it's better than nothing.

>>217622054
>it doesn't actually make finding jobs in another country easier
It does since you don't need stuff like visas or work permits.

>>217622083
>implying there arent a million seniors locally either that got laid off
>>217622098
0.0001% odds is practically 0%
there is no benefit of the EU to the average person

>>217622142
you are too fatalist.
I know plenty of people who got jobs in my field in germany or whatever years ago, some even got hired before moving there. Maybe your field sucks right now. Idk.

>>217622139
>It does since you don't need stuff like visas or work permits.
but in reality its still not easier
very senior people already were eligible for that before
the group that can move is the same group as before the EU

>>217622181
>I know plenty of people who got jobs in my field in germany or whatever years ago, some even got hired before moving there. Maybe your field sucks right now. Idk.
every field sucks right now as the EU managed to force every single country to kill its economy

>>217622211
better times will come.

>>217622232
copium

>>217622259
whatev, you are free to stay depressed.

>>217622189
>but in reality its still not easier
but it does, what the fuck are you talking about.
You can just move to the Netherlands and work as a toilet cleaner whenever you feel like. Try moving to foreign non eu country as a non skilled, experienced worker, let's see how that goes for you.

>>217622211
You are not seeing the bigger picture wagie. You are only watching the immediate short term, oblivious of the smack coming. The labor market is only going to get worse. In the EU or in Antarctica.
>>217622232
Hopeless copetard.

>>217622284
I am not depressed I just dont see the point of staying in the EU
>>217622289
>You can just move to the Netherlands and work as a toilet cleaner whenever you feel like
but can you really? where will you get an apartment to rent? how will you find a job through the language barrier?
>Try moving to foreign non eu country as a non skilled, experienced worker, let's see how that goes for you.
other countries take their borders seriously unlike the EU where you can just walk in if your skin is brown and get free infinite everything forever

>>217621881
I moved here from another part of the eu.
They just gave me a couple of weeks to get my shit together.
Immore angry about the retarded language requirements where every job requires you to speak that countrys language + a bunch of other

>>217622297
>The labor market is only going to get worse.
no, for me that is completely clear
the eu is completely fucked on every single level and there is no recovery

>>217621881
Isnt the expectation usually for the candidate to move to the place where the job is after he gets the job?
Only in cities with extremely competitive rental markets would it make sense to ask for someone that already lives there.

>>217622327
>but can you really?
Yes.

>>217622356
>Isnt the expectation usually for the candidate to move to the place where the job is after he gets the job?
nope which is my point

>>217622289
Even as a skilled, experienced worker trying to et out of europe youre fucked because every country pretty much only want jeets.
Getting a canadian or british visa for instance has become nearly impossible as a europoor

>>217622327
>>but can you really? where will you get an apartment to rent? how will you find a job through the language barrier?
yes you can, is it easy? No, but it's simply easier than if Schengen wasn't there. It's pretty much a fact.
Schengen doesn't mean everybody will offer you jobs because you're a foreigner and pay you to live in their country.
If I had to move to another city in my country I'd have to find an apartment to rent too? Does this mean we are not really a functioning country?
And if you want to live in a foreign country it's assumed that you'll probably have to learn the local language to live there.

>>217621970
Depends where you wanna go. A some companies are used to have people relocating there.

>>217621932
You sound dumb as fuck

>>217622414
In which cities and fields are these jobs?

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>>217622232
better times will come when the Eurocrats ruining the EU step down

>>217622439
>yes you can
if the requirement is that
>you already live there
>you speak the language
then how is that different in terms of difficulty than getting a working visa would be?
>If I had to move to another city in my country I'd have to find an apartment to rent too?
the requirement is usually that you live in the country and not the specific location
>And if you want to live in a foreign country it's assumed that you'll probably have to learn the local language to live there.
correct which makes the EU pointless as this would be the same in a regular working visa too

>>217622536
>>then how is that different in terms of difficulty than getting a working visa would be?
that you don't have to get one? It's simply easier, it's like you're angry at reality, of course you'll have to speak the language and yes, they likely will want to see you personally and ask that you live there before hiring you for a random job. If you don't like it go there and live like a migrant until you can get a job locally.
>the requirement is usually that you live in the country and not the specific location
it definitely isn't, if I want to get a job in Milan I'll need to live there and go to the job interview in person.
>correct which makes the EU pointless as this would be the same in a regular working visa too
no it doesn't, it's literally less requirements, how the hell can it be pointless.
I know because I'm a loser that's learning Japanese that would like to move to Japan. I can assure you it'd be much easier for me to move to Finland or even Norway without knowing one single word of the local language but English and find a random job than go live in Japan.

>>217622439
Theres schengen and schengen. Moving to somewhere in the eu is much easier than moving to a non eu, schengen country.
>t. Has been trying to move to norway for ages in vain

Are you autistic? Just lie retard. Say "I am living in x city" and put Location: (city where company is) on your resume

Holy shit man, it's that easy you motherfucker

>>217622744
I'm sure, but saying that having schengen or not makes no difference like he's saying makes no sense, you'll agree.
It's literally and objectively less requirements, paper work and time.

>>217622742
>that you don't have to get one? It's simply easier, it's like you're angry at reality, of course you'll have to speak the language and yes, they likely will want to see you personally and ask that you live there before hiring you for a random job. If you don't like it go there and live like a migrant until you can get a job locally.
but how is that different from getting a visa?
with those requirements you are guaranteed to get approved for the visa anyway in 99% of countries
>I know because I'm a loser that's learning Japanese that would like to move to Japan. I can assure you it'd be much easier for me to move to Finland or even Norway without knowing one single word of the local language but English and find a random job than go live in Japan.

the requirement in japan is basically just a bachelors degree then you are free to go
ofcourse jobs will probably want language skills too
but how is that different from eu ones? not like you will be able to get a job in an eu country without knowing the local language anyway or having a degree

>>217622849
because it's simply less paper work, expenses and waiting time and yes, you'll have a much easier time getting a low skill job within the schengen area than abroad.
Pretty much all Romanians here do low level jobs that they would've not gotten a working visa for, because schengen simply allows them to move here without any requirements and apply for jobs.
You do not need to be fluent to work as a tradie or a truck driver.
>the requirement in japan is basically just a bachelors degree then you are free to go
I'm kinda old and not very educated, and my job is a self employed wfh.
I could move anywhere in the EU whenever I want but they simply won't let me in Japan if I don't earn a lot of money or somebody hires me.
The cost and process is much more cumbersome than simply booking a plane ticket tonight and moving there.

>>217623054
>because it's simply less paper work
>anything eu
>less paper work
you will just gain that back in another way after
>I could move anywhere in the EU whenever I want but they simply won't let me in Japan if I don't earn a lot of money or somebody hires me.
your case is extremely niche then as most people arent self employed
>The cost and process is much more cumbersome than simply booking a plane ticket tonight and moving there.
that isnt an option for most people inside the eu either

If you can't find a job it's your own fault I'm sorry bro. On top of finding an open job position, non-EU citizens need to hope that the employer is willing to sponsor a visa for them and in most cases employers don't bother with this. If you have EU citizenship you don't have to go through any of that shit, you can just pack your bags and move to any big city with tons of job opportunities. It's not that difficult to save up to live in your new city unemployed for a few months while you're looking for work, you just have to work for a littke whike in Hungary first

>>217622071
Oops, your LLM fucked up a calculation because LLMs are shit at math and your skyscraper collapsed, killing hundreds. Woopsie doopsie!

>>217623101
It's still objectively less stuff to do than if it wasn't there.
I get that it's not perfect and the easiest thing possible, but you're still talking of moving to another country, it will always be hard, schengen or not.
Schengen it's simply not magic, but sure, maybe they should allow you to interview for jobs from abroad but then again, you'd still then need to splurge money to go live there since they'd likely not want to pay up in advance for a bozo applying for a random, not particularly skilled or peculiar job.
Which is all stuff you'd need to do in your cunt too, since ain't nobody paying you to become a cashier in another city in most cases.

>>217622071
LLMs can't even produce good code, which is probably their strongest use case, and you're asking why not use them for complex engineering designs? Are you retarded? Engineering isn't like Blender where you can just model something and it works if it looks like it does.

>>217623252
>It's still objectively less stuff to do than if it wasn't there.
my argument is that it doesnt really matter in the end
>Schengen it's simply not magic, but sure, maybe they should allow you to interview for jobs from abroad but then again, you'd still then need to splurge money to go live there since they'd likely not want to pay up in advance for a bozo applying for a random, not particularly skilled or peculiar job.
I am talking about skilled jobs

>>217621881
europoors dont want to hear this but if they want to get serious about the eu they need to 1) make all the federal governments subordinate to the eu
2) adopt english as official language
3) create national army
4) immigration border control with Brussels
5) rule regulations and cross border need to be completely uniform across the entire bloc

>>217621881
Why would they hire someone far away if they can hire someone who lives right down the street?

>>217621970
How the fuck do sudacas, nafirs and pajeets do it? They just take risks you homofaggot.

>>217623413
The Germans and the French will never allow English becoming official kek

>>217623054
>wont let me in japan
My exact experience but every single developped non eu country.

>>217623468
eastern europoors are like the equivalent of the whyte incels complaining about how they dont have friends while sitting on their arse while the mexicans go to church and play baseball with other juans on sunday
>>217623586
youd have to phase it in but the main thing would have to be all government documents would have to be in english and you cant exclude someone from a job if they dont speak hungarian or something

>>217623111
>any big city with tons of job opportunities.
Which ones are you talking about?
The few cities with tons of (mainly office) jobs are usually extremely expensive like amsterdam, münich or paris

>>217623468
companies specifically want to hire them and once a pajeet manager gets in thats its, only they get hired after

>>217623461
>Why would they hire someone far away if they can hire someone who lives right down the street?
what do I get out of being an eu member then?

>>217621932
top kek, OP must be a moroccan or something

>>217622071
>canadian flag is deepthroating AI
do i even need to say it?

>>217623413
If we're all gonna become the same uniform euroblob mass we should at least have a homegrown language like latin or one of those made up ones like Esperanto. Using English would be giga cucked

>>217623138
You've never tried the last thinking models right? How are they winning medals in math competitions? Coping retard... Give it time.
>>217623340
Give it time my friend, give it time. You are in the first stage: denial.
>>217623919
Say what kangaroo fucker?

>>217623990
the hell is latin any different than english
neither of them is german and you germans already studied english in school for years
would just have to get more serious about it
as long as eu is divided linguistically it's extremely hard for it to move as a bloc and only realistic language of getting over that is english
uk isnt even in the uk anymore so it's a language that belongs to nobody and you can use it in the same way india uses english

>>217623960
how is that 10% uneployment going for you fag?
not everyone is a pajeet here

>>217623990
>giga cucked
No, it would be easy and efficient you low IQ giga cuck.

>>217623413
Based

>>217624033
>give it time
I remember the two more weeks until you're all obsolete talks from 3 years ago, two more weeks sar

>>217623990
the problem is who is actually going to learn latin?
most of the content online is already in english
during soviet times the russian language was mandatory in schools yet pretty much nobody speaks it here because its just not an useful language in real life

>>217622071
Si absolutely sucks at spatial awareness which is kind of extremely important when it comes to building design.
Not saying it won't happen but it's still far away. And then there's the whole liability issue.

>>217623903
Your country as an EU member is naturally a good target for foreign investments which bring more money to the national budget thus better salaries in the public sector thus better salaties in private companies in order to stay competetive. It also opens more job opportunities. Domestic enterpreneurs can apply for EU funds to help start their businesses instead of relying on the state to help, and they have unrestricted access to the entire EU market not just your home country. Your country can also build and improve a fuck ton of infrastructure that people use every day, thanks to EU funding for those purposes and it doesn't even need to pay that money back. Agricultural workers can sell their products directly to some client from another EU country instead of relying on the state to deal with exports and dictating the price. I can go on

>>217624210
AI*

>>217624227
>Your country as an EU member is naturally a good target for foreign investments which bring more money to the national budget thus better salaries in the public sector thus better salaties in private companies in order to stay competetive
this doesnt happen, salaries here are terrible
also foreign investment doesnt actually increase salaries much as most of the jobs are outsourced menial jobs or companies specifically seeking skilled people for low pay
>Domestic enterpreneurs can apply for EU funds to help start their businesses instead of relying on the state to help
in theory, in practice we don't really have any
>Your country can also build and improve a fuck ton of infrastructure that people use every day, thanks to EU funding for those
ltierally not a single euro cent out of all ever went to anywhere but corrupt politicians pockets, not just in hungary but in any gibsmedat nation
>Agricultural workers can sell their products directly to some client from another EU country instead of relying on the state to deal with exports and dictating the price.
the eu can also just make deals that make the local farmers uncompetitive like the ukraine grain or the south american stuff

>>217624187
I said it very clearly in my post: if you cope about this, your low IQ drooling ape brain can't understand what machine learning entails. Whatever you can learn Giuseppe, driving a car, chemistry, ancient chinese history... a machine can too now. ChatGPT 3.5 dropped in 2022, 3 years ago, and entry jobs are already getting harvested by the tens of thousands every month. It's the fastest growing product in history, more than 100 million users in 2 months. What other technology has grown so fast?
>>217624210
Yeah, again, give it time. 3 years? 5 years? Even... 10 YEARS. Would you advice a kid to go to uni specially if it means going into student debt, just to enjoy a decade of white collar jobs in the most hopeful scenario?

>>217624360
he's not talking about ai in general moron
he said LLMs and he's right. they're reaching a wall and the larger current models are just more prone to hallucination plus they're not efficient
new models are needed. i think google is onto that.

>>217624336
>ltierally not a single euro cent out of all ever went to anywhere but corrupt politicians pockets
Wrong. The EU has systems that monitor where the funds are going

>>217624360
>What other technology has grown so fast?
Holy meaningless buzzword
We live in completely different times than we ever did with lighting fast adoption rates for anything, let alone an internet app/technology.

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>>217624428
this is where the money went to

I have never worked.

>>217624421
I guess you don't keep up with the sector because when Gemini 3 Pro was released it shut all people that are desperate to claim AI is reaching a limit as if more computing power doesn't help any more. And it's safe to assume labs haven't released their best models to date.
>>217624492
OK Mateo, you do you man. Denial phase is strong in you. Study accounting or math or cording or whatever the fuck you want. If you really think that's going to keep feeding you by the time you turn 50... So be it.

>>217622189
I've actually lived in other EU countries, Malta and Estonia. Jobs that required you to speak Swedish, customer support and tech support basically. Because of cost of living and stuff. But yeah, it's in practice pretty useless because of language barriers primarily.

>>217624658
Oh I should add that these were very junior roles and that I was basically unemployable in Sweden at the time.

>>217622025
>prioritize local people and also a supranational union
You can’t have your cake and eat it, too.

>>217622071
TRVTH SVPERNOVA

>>217624658
>malta and estonia
Tell us more.
That sounds pretty fun actually.
My only experience abroad was being a farmhand in romania

>>217626089
Oh I worked at an online casino on Malta. A really small operation, it was probably pretty poorly ran and it lasted for a year before the company shut down. The probationary period in my contract was only a single month which feels very strange in hindsight. Anyway, I did translation and stuff as well. I also tried to get my drivers license while working there but I was just traumatized because it's basically an Arab country with left-hand traffic and I still don't have a license because of this.
In Estonia I worked in tech support for a grocery store chain in Sweden. Lasted for half a year but they didn't keep me past the probationary period because I had been swearing on the phone etc because of untreated ADHD that I'm finally going back on the meds for. They still didn't consider me completely worthless though and my manager wanted to transfer me to the back office department instead but there wasn't room for me there.
Also I was about to move to South Africa once before Covid screwed that up.
I kinda wanna move back to Estonia again but then I need to get my medical stuff sorted out first.

>>217626230
Online casinos are pretty big in former british colonies (malta/cyprus)
South africa would also be cool af. How did you find all of those jobs?
How did you like each countries?

>>217621970
Big companies will pay for relocation

>>217624598
Hungarian ingenuinity at its finest
Western cucks be seething cuz they could never think outside the box like this

>>217626304
>Online casinos are pretty big in former british colonies (malta/cyprus)
Well Malta had pretty good legislation for this. We used to dunk a lot on Curacao-based casinos because they were apparently really shady.
Anyway, we had a lot of Australian players and they were really fucking rude all the time when they contacted us.
>South africa would also be cool af.
Probably not it's a shithole and I just really wanted a job.
>How did you find all of those jobs?
I looked around for jobs abroad that had native Swedish skills as a requirement. A lot of them were in countries like Malta, Cyprus etc even if they weren't casino-related so I assume it's because a lot of young people just want to live in a snow-free climate, me included. There were like Swedish call centers on Malta too, that usually do really shady telemarketing.
My managers were all Spanish and they were really nice actually.
>How did you like each countries?
Well, Malta was kind of a mess. Really bad traffic as I mentioned, very slow and opaque bureaucracy. Felt very dense as well but that's partly because I was from some podunk town in Sweden and I just wasn't used to living in a city.
Estonia was way better, aside from the fact that Tallinn is on the same latitude as Stockholm roughly so it snows more there than the part of Sweden I'm from.
Also, I noticed that a lot of the people I met when working abroad were from the same part of Sweden I'm from. We have had really high youth unemployment for quite a while, we were on the same level as Sicily not too long ago.

>>217626528
Thats pretty interesting, to have such people from different parts of the eu all assembled on some rock in the middle of the med.
As for jobs, did you just look them up on linkedin? South africa for instance has very few of them, same with cyprus.
>Estonia was way better, aside from the fact that Tallinn is on the same latitude as Stockholm
Was the city and its people very different from sweden?
Also where in sweden are you from? Where i was born i raised (corsica) also has a lot of youth unemployment but people usually go to mainland france and thats pretty much it

>>217627061
>As for jobs, did you just look them up on linkedin?
No, I found them through searches on Google etc.
>Was the city and its people very different from sweden?
Like not that much. Honestly like, I was really introverted at the time so I didn't really think much about it. Also didn't get around to learning Estonian because I didn't
>Also where in sweden are you from?
North-Eastern Scania. Scania is the second densest populated province but it's mostly in the south-west.

>>217622071
I agree, but we still need some losers in payrolls
AI is a powerful "force multiplier" for engineers, fundamentally changing the profession from manual execution to high-level system orchestration. It makes for a good engineer by augmenting human capabilities in the following key ways:
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Testing & Maintenance: Machine learning algorithms predict equipment failures (predictive maintenance) and automatically generate test cases for software.
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As of 2025, the most valuable engineers are no longer just "code persons" or manual drafters. They are becoming orchestrators who use AI to deliver massive projects with smaller teams. While AI manages the execution, the human engineer remains essential for accountability, ethical judgment, and strategic decision-making.

>>217627605
I see you have also ai written half of your comment

>>217621881
Just go there and live at a hostel until you find a job

>>217621932
You can move if you get a job in like a week if you're a minimalist.

>>217630464
do you know how long it takes in europe to find a job?
due to insane notice periods (2-3 months) it usually takes multiple months

>>217630375
lol, try 99%, you'd never make it to management position with that attitude

>>217630600
>bragging about not having an opinion
finns legit gotta be the most braindead retards on this website

>>217630521
Well most EU countries also make it really hard to fire/lay off people so that makes sense.

But just get a job as a waiter or something until you get a real job.

>>217621881
>filtered

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