Germany is the problem.I was waiting for statements from the big boss of Dassault, which are very rare, and he finally spoke about the future fighter jet for Europe.Basically :- Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier stated on Tuesday, December 16, that he did not know whether the European Future Combat Air System (SCAF) fighter jet project would come to fruition. This program is estimated to cost €100 billion.- "Will it happen? I don't know," said Eric Trappier- Dassault Aviation claims leadership of this central pillar, while Airbus wants a more balanced sharing of industrial responsibilities.- “Do France, Germany, and Spain fully share the desire to defend Europe? I think so,” said Eric Trappier. “The method is more complicated.”- The CEO of Dassault Aviation, who criticized Germany for choosing American F-35 fighter jets as part of NATO's nuclear defense strategy, believes that one of the main uncertainties surrounding the SCAF lies in Berlin's future strategic choices: "Does Germany want to withdraw from its transatlantic defense relationship?"- Dassault wants to obtain clear control over the fighter jet component of the SCAF- “I am claiming leadership based on the skills of the Dassault company,” Eric Trappier emphasized. “I am not against cooperation (but) I am for effective cooperation.”
>>217672968europoors larping as first world is so funny
>>217672993With 100 billion euros we can buy your country tho
>>217673022100b euros wont buy you a roasted cat kebab from a stall under the eiffel the way the euro is going
No. France is at fault, and to be specific, Éric Trappier personally.>“From our perspective, German politics and industry made concessions regarding FCAS from the very beginning. Nevertheless, Dassault has been trying from the outset to defame us, push us back, and work against us,” wrote Jürgen Kerner, Second Chairman of IG Metall, and Thomas Pretzl, Chairman of the Works Council of Airbus Defence and Space, in a letter to Finance Minister Lars Klingbeil and Defense Minister Boris Pistorius dated Monday, which hartpunkt has obtained.>Dassault has not yet withdrawn its demand for full takeover of fighter jet development. "On the contrary: Mr. Trappier is publicly and loudly railing against our local industry and the Bundestag in parliament and the press. We are firmly convinced that Dassault has completely disqualified itself as a reliable partner within Europe in times of acute threat," the two union representatives wrote.>The situation has gone too far. They no longer trust Dassault and are no longer willing to accept compromise formulas "that Dassault then tries to turn against us in some peculiar way." The two employee representatives emphasize their continued commitment to European cooperation and Franco-German friendship. "Dassault is trampling on both for its own selfish purposes," Kerner and Pretzl state sharply.
why fighter jets and not jet drones
>>217673209Verräter
Germany needs to focus on Europe long term instead of appealling to americans that will only help you short term and will shoot yourself in the foot long termMake European products, buy European products
>>217673284It's in the package>Dassault wants to gain clear control over the combat aircraft part of the SCAF, while letting Airbus manage other components, such as combat drones or the connectivity system.
>>217673285No. You are trying to extort us and being extremely disrespectful while pretending to want to be a partner. It's not going to work.>Léo Péria-Peigné is an arms expert at the French Institute for International Relations (IFRI) in Paris. His assessment in an interview with loyal: "I find Dassault's claim that the Neuron project, which he led as architect, is best practice and a model for FCAS to be inaccurate. Neuron was an experiment, not an industrial project involving the division of production shares worth billions.">For the defense expert, the architect model lobbied by Dassault makes sense in principle. "However, the architect side – that is, France – would then also have to bear the majority of the costs, which is not the case. Therefore, Germany and Spain will never agree," Péria-Peigné assesses. "Dassault wants to dominate the core of the FCAS, the Next Generation Fighter, where the majority of the added value lies. It could implement this technologically on its own. But France cannot finance such a solo effort. We simply can't manage those 80 billion euros or more. Nor is Germany without resources. It possesses the technological capabilities to implement a Next Generation Fighter, albeit at a high cost, but it has the financial means to do so, thanks to its unfettered defense spending."
>>217673048At least it's still animal protein meanwhile your people eat roasted mud falafel.The animal protein guy will win, bitch
Frogs are better at plane design and should head the project. They also departed from the Eurofighter project and the Rafale ist a superior, more futureproof design than the EF.Germans sabotaged Eurodrone with their retardation too and and it's a heavy bloated two engine thing instead of the light cost effective one engine design it was supposed to be.
We're literally the only country in this godforsaken union that has an actual military budget and develops their own armements, and I sure as fuck hope we're not letting a country still actively buying and using americans solutions take the lead
>>217672968germany should be nuked
>>217673927you are a clueless retard.>>217674047we have a way larger budget than you, that's the whole reason why you want us in the project. You want Germany to fund a French plane.
>>217674286Give the money please. Trust the plan
>>217674286>we have a way larger budget than you,Money sent to Ukraine shouldn't count as your military budget.
>>217674286>you are a clueless retard.Where am I wrong
>>217672968It's over, Britain won, everyone is buying the new Anglo-Italian-Japanese fighter
>>217674470>the new Anglo-Italian-Japanese fighterIt better have no American parts
>>217674359we have a larger regular military budget as well.>>217674393on the Rafale being superior to the EF and the French being better at plane design. You're right on the Eurodrone though.
>>217674486god brits have such an inferiority complex towards yanks
>>217674286Blablabla just give us money already damn, Poland doesn't have to do half of this shit for gibs
>>217674504VPN off, Hunter Washigton.
American tech mogs euroslop
>>217674563it's not going to happen, Merz isn't retarded. Either you back down from your ridiculous claims, or the project is dead.
>>217674850I hope it dies. Germany is nothing but an unreliable partner. The fact that you bought F-35 and used to be (still are ?) dependent on Russian's gas should be enough to disregard any opinion your country brings to the discussion. The idea of partnering on such a project with a country that has long foregone any will of sovereignty is ludicrous to me.
>>217675341Yes I hope it dies too. We aren't an unreliable partner btw. F-35 was a reasonable choice for Germany and it's such a weird argument for France to make, we don't seethe at France for buying American E-2s, E-3s or MQ-9s either. You're desperately grasping for straws hoping we cave in to your ridiculous demands. Not going to happen. Other German and French firms can work together decently btw, the main problem is Dassault.
Fuck Europe and i hope it dies t.Russian
>>217672968Its not Germany or France its still Dassault vs. Airbus.Military industrial complex seeks best deals for themselves and failed. Now Germany will look to partner with other cunts and Dassault will try to develop something on their own but lacks funds for a whole next gen fighter
>>217673797na we eat normal falafel
>>217675487French gov backs Dassault's claims so it is their fault too.
>>217673209Not surprising.
>>217676045Stfu
>>217676045Yup. We're using a number of Canadian systems btw, Bombardier planes for our new airborne SIGINT platform and a battle management system for our navy's surface fleet. I hope Canada joins the German-Norwegian submarine program in return.
Why do french pipo keep trying to pull off the same "you give is money and we have full control of the project and production" trick?
I don't understand why we're doing the same game in the first place after Rafale/Eurofighter when France needs a carrier and nuke plane and Germany does not.
>>217676525because German politicians are retarded cucks and it might actually workbut I'm rather confident it won't fly this time, thankfully>>217677054it was a political decision due to Brexit but you're right, Germany and France have quite different requirements and it was retarded to force it together
>>217677109>rather confident it won't fly this timeGood luck
>>217673927>RafaleDidn't they get clapped by the J-10 recently?
>>217677166thanksFrance apparently wants to "sweeten the deal" by offering more workshare for Germany in the Eurodrone. Ngl, the chutzpeh to demand more stealth 6th gen workshare in return for workshare in a legacy propeller driven drone that costs a fraction is remarkable. If our politicians are retarded enough to agree to such a "deal", I'd have to draw my hat to you. But in all seriousness, go fuck yourself.
>>217672968Germany has no leverage over France when France has both the know-how and funding to build the plane alone. A Swedish-German partnership could be much more compelling. Sweden's next gen plane may not even exist if they don't bring on a partner like Germany. Germany can fund the Swedish-German program, and Germany can acquire the technical know-how they desire in-return to revitalize their military aviation industry.
>>217677291the idea that France has more fighter expertise than Germany is a myth pushed by Dassault. The only thing they are more advanced in is engine tech (Safran not Dassault), but their engines are inferior to Rolls Royce anyway and we could license a Rolls Royce engine too. Everything else can be done in Germany just as well and we have way better ability to fund it all.
>>217677291France can't fund a 6th gen plane alone, they're already at a structural deficit right now
>>217677875Out of 1000€ of french public money, 253€ are spent on retirements and 201€ on healthcare (half of which is spent on 60+ years old).In comparison we spend 33€ on defense.
>>217672968Based.Fuck germany.Dassault is right, we don't even need these cunts.
If i was in control of all this i would make Dassault work with China for the unlimited funds.The U.E, and America can go fuck themselves. The west is a spent force, full of retards and idiots.We have nukes, we hate anglos, we aren't in eastern europe, we should leave Nato too. Germany is nothing but a meatshield for the russia threat, i don't even know why we bother arguing with these faggots.
>>217678152Unplug boomers
>>217672968Germshits really have to ruin everything don't they
>>217678152Yes and if you touch the boomers' pensions or healthcare your country ends up in flames from the riots
>>217673927This.It's crazy how fast people forget.
>>217678500They didn't attempt to touch pensions, they attempted to touch the age of retirement. I assure you riots would be much smaller and mostly ran by old geezers if they did the former. Boomers are the only people who still have some trust in Macron's government though so they get to keep their gibs while the country goes down
>>217672968daily reminder that the reason we had to close famas was because of germoids, and then our traitor politicians actually chose german rifles as replacement
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>>217672968Idc, I still hate Fr*nce and love GERMANY. Enjoy selling off your technology to Pajeets to keep your mil industry afloat lol.
>>217679017Stfu
>>217679030Status on your Indian sourced rocket artillery? Is Fr*nce really that poor now? Why don't you make money and have a low debt load like they do IN GERMANY?
>>217678851Good job now boomers can retire on schedule and only the next generations will get fucked
>>217679017Careful what you wish for.You can hate us, its fair, we hate you too.But never underestimate us for this kind of things.
>>217679381Whyever not? France is not a serious country afterall.
>>217672968
You two retards need to fuck already and sign the contracts. We're waiting.
>>217674665Yeah, i hate yankees, why aren't you guys pushing for euro stuff more? Like we have Leonardo/Fincantieri that would gladly suck european dicks for money right now
all memes aside it's remarkable how frogs are seething and insulting ITT, but no substantiative arguments are coming from them. Their side is wrong.
>>217678385Why would China want to work with Dassault lmao. China has two 6th gen programs flying. FCAS only exists on paper and is likely less advanced than what China is testing in the air.
btw the German parliament just passed 50 billion worth of defense spending today. So much for who has the budget.
>>217679927Are you guys going to build nuclear weapons? Or still on your green phase?
>>217679793There isn't more arguments to be made.German industry will not fuck us over this time. Our vision is superior. We can find somebody else to fund it, and thats the end of it. You are not out boss, we do our thing, you do yours.The European Union is not your fiefdom and im glad we remind it to you day after day.Good luck with spain.
>>217679971no nukes planned so far, but I agree we need them, Italy should have them too imo.
>>217680040We have the yankees one, Giorgia is trying to keep them friendly so we aren't going to build any
>>217680040>no nukes planned so far>flag
>>217680040>no nukes planned so farKEEEEEEEEEEK
>>217680039it's so funny how you're accusing us exactly of what you're trying to do yourselr. Crying as you strike.
>>217680062>>217680098>>217680160US nukes aren't yours/ourstimes are changing
>>217680182>>217680039Honestly, not doing it it's less pathetic than what happened to our fincantieri ships in yankeeland>Order them>Change everything about them>Cancel order>>217680229I know, but building them would anger the yankees, remember that we are trying to stay friendly to every side like always
>>217680039>We can find somebody else to fund itYou'll partner with India and they'll tank the program. Fr*nce will be flying rafales into the 2080's
>>217680182This continent is not big enough for the two of us kraut.>>217680229What U.S nukes?????What are you talking about you turbo retard????Have you seen my flag? There ain't no U.S nukes on this soil.
drones are the future and the future is nowinvesting into any manned vehicles is a waste of money
>>217680264Oh god yeah i remember that.>>217680285Kino? Or maybe we'll sell some to the middle east to even the odds next time you crusade for oil.
>>217680364drones and robot, so any pacifist that talk about soldiers losing their lives can shove it up their asses
>>217680348>The U.S. maintains a stockpile of around 100-150 B61 gravity nuclear bombs in Europe, stored at airbases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey, as part of NATO's nuclear sharing policy to deter aggression against allies. These tactical weapons are owned by the U.S. but can be delivered by host nation's dual-capable aircraft, though final release rests with the U.S. President. This deployment, a legacy of Cold War strategy, continues to reassure allies amidst heightened Russian tensionsHe very clearly wasn't talking about Fr*nce.>even the odds next time you crusade for oilFrench miltary technology is several decades behind the US.
>>217680517Second half meant for:>>217680421
>>217680517>He very clearly wasn't talking about FranceI know.
>>217680517>French military technology is several decades behind the US.Ah yes. Just like the Talibans i guess.You have nothing to fear then i guess?
>>217680571>I knowReally? >>217680348>>217680650You know you have no arguement against the inferiority of french equipment so you devolve to whataboutisms, cringe and vatnik tier.
>>217680872Kill yourself yankee>hurr durr our technology is betterOf course, most of our scientist after ww2 went to yankeeland
>>217672968Most realistic explanation:>>/k/64634021
>>217680916>Of course, most of our scientist after ww2 went to yankeelandCongrats, your society was so dogshit you destroyed your country and drove anyone with a triple digit iq away.
>>217680872As long as we exist we will oppose you.We're the only western country that can exist and thrive whitout your filthy touch, and you can't stand it. You will cope and seethe, and we will keep doing our own stuff, you nigger.>you have no arguement against the inferiority of french equipment No. Because we're excellent at making weapons.>you devolve to whataboutisms>flagLol, lmao even
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>>217681067>As long as we exist we will oppose youUntrue and your history of foreign involvement at our behest is undeniable, your vassal contract is just more lax than your neighbors.>No. Because we're excellent at making weaponsWhy have Pajeets make your rocket artillery? Why have Germans make your rifles? Where's the French awacs?>you devolve to whataboutisms>flagNot an arguement(you don't have one, much like a second carrier).
bumpI'd be interestes in French takes on this issue that don't sound like they come from 13 year olds
>>217683251We're not really at the negotiation table so It's hard to know.In my opinion it does seem that Dassault is really playing with fire and really greedy but on the other.. A400M, Eurodrone, NH90, the Eurofighter first tranche, it does seem there's some serious soul searching to do for Airbus when it come to manage collaboration projects and I can understand that it's source of worry. Dassault is big but nowhere near the biggest defence corporation around, right now they're selling softwares, Rafales and private jets, that's it. They're putting a lot of eggs in that basket and will have to stick with that for the 4 decades to come and that must be a really stressful prospect.Now Safran and Thales said they're getting along perfectly fine with MTU and stuff so far so a lot of arrows are pointing to Dassault in this story I must admit.
>>217683251>if you don't let me economically sodomize you you are 13 years oldyou know this poster is very intelligent
>>217684200yeah pretty much my opinion too. Dassault is at fault imo. They already got the lead on the fighter but that wasn't enough for them, they're asking for total control bc they know the French government will go with them for the Rafale successor one way or the other. Perhaps there really will be two fighters but the engine will still be a joint project of Safran and MTU.
for me it's the char B1 bis, that will surely stop the eastern hordes and preserve the rules-based international order™ forever
>>217679793I fucking hate germans.
>>217685786yeah I know anti-german sentiment is widespread in France. Feeling isn't mutual, I don't hate you, but seeing it doesn't make you likable. You genuinely are very arrogant and entitled people.
>>217672968I heard about this.Are the krauts trying to fuck us over again?
>>217685987no. The opposite is the case. France already had the lead in the agreement made years ago, but lead isn't enough for you apparently, so you're asking for total dominance now (and still expect us to pay).
>>217685967>anti-german sentiment is widespread in FranceNot him sweetie, but desu anti-german sentiment is widespread in all Europe.I literally got insulted in southern italy because im blonde and old med people thought i was german.I don't think eastern europeans like you neither kek.
>>217672993>tp>tf
>>217686122yeah I know. I think most normie Germans aren't aware of this. Otherwise we probably wouldn't be so pro-european. But perhaps they actually get a clue slowly, would partially explain the AfD's rise.
>>217674583American cunts
>>217686236Not to mention, england who basically noped out of the the E.U out of sheer jealousy over german Hegemon.The "New Reich" to use Farage words.Americans are pure evil. And serve their own interest.You don't got many friends. So you have do deal with us. We're the less worse ally you got, alongside Italy and Spain.
>>217686308everyone mostly serves their own interest, we're unironically an exception. and no, France isn't really a good ally. All of the Franco-German 'friendship' is based on French self interest and came with caveats that ensured France got its way in the end anyway. The only reason why France turned to (West) Germany is because otherwise you would've become totally irrelevant after you lost your empire. And you still were against our reunification in 1990. unlike the americans btw.
>>217672968I hope we will buy the American 6th gen. Will be the best anyways
>>217686521>What is strategic and political autonomy? >What is maintaining industrial and technological capability?>What are tailored requirements
>>217686521we already ordered F-35, we shouldn't increase reliance on the US even further. These things aren't just about the system but about politics too because you can't be sure the US will continue supporting you. Joining the British/Japanese/Italian 6th gen project would likely be the best option for us and since they aren't as large a power bloc as the US they would likely give us good conditions. And they have more closely aligned interests with us than the US so it's more likely they would be reliable in case of the systems actually being used in war.>>217686616this. A German-Swedish-Spanish fighter would be cool too, but I kinda don't think it will happen.
>>217686438France isn't a good ally, it's true. But you don't have an alternative. We're aloof and arrogant but we also have many qualities that you don't have.We're the second pillar of this continent, you can't really do anything important whitout our consent in western Europe and i think its a good thing (looking at your RETARDED Mercosur politic). We balance each others.What do you want from us? An apology? Surely you understand why we are so cautious when we thread with you, historically.>>217686521We both know you won't.
>>217686718>But you don't have an alternative.what do you mean? we do way more on defense with other euros than you, the franco-german brigade is a meme. Our 'alliance' is just a show. We're allies in nato and eu yeah just like ~20 others, that's it. Bilaterally, not much is actually working well.>RETARDED Mercosur politicoh yes ofc the interest of a couple French farmers are more important than the EU at large.>What do you want from us? An apology?in this particular instance of FCAS? just to fuck off and kill the project already so we can look for alternatives soon. We're closer to Russia than you are.
>>217686616>dude just make shit planes because le autonomy industrial and technological capability even tho we don’t have those to begin with Meanwhile our civilian aviation is getting revived because of Americans with Deutsche Aircraft. The US also let’s us build license production aircraft and US planes align way better with our needs than French carrier planes. Even if we would get GCAP we would only at best get license production of certain parts for a second rate plane. Couldn’t care less about Europe these days, once boomers die off that dream will be done anyways. Can’t wait for Retin-A Micro in Germany >>217686718Depends on how much power the AfD will get, otherwise true and we will fly Tornadoes for 100 years.
>>217686806>the interest of a couple French farmers are more important than the EU at large.Yes. My people being autonomous is more important than your interests. And it ALWAYS will be.See? One quality you don't have. Self preservation. You stupid fucking clown.
>>217686875>Deutsche Aircrafttotal meme compared to the Airbus factories in Germany>US also let’s us build license production aircraftno they don't. Central fuselages are like the least complex part of the fighter and don't matter at all. They also never let us license build any advanced weaponry, only second rate gear like (outdated) PAC-2 or ATACMS missile instead of PAC-3 or PrSM.>Even if we would get GCAP we would only at best get license production of certain parts for a second rate plane.we would 100% get more than whatever the US offers, the Gcap consortium is politically more reliable and it will likely be a great plane, that's one of the few things were the Brits are still very very good.>>217686933you're a fucking retard
>>217685967No, you are. Stop projecting Hans. You're jsut as arrogant as the swissfag, pastanigs and dutchfags.
>>217687039>you're a fucking retardNo im just a european and not some Globohomo goy-meat like you. You culture was killed in 1945, mine is still very much alive and i want my people to keep their jobs.I hope the italians back us up on this, like they said they would.FUCK. YOU.And fuck your European Union.
>>217687160who are you trying to fool, you're on 4chan, you're the same internet raised faggot as me just with a different flag. You are fucking delusional and retarded on top of it.
>>217687214>7 hours ago newsYou may swallow my dick, motherfucker.Italians are indeed opposed to it too.You are free to eat you goy-slop alone.
>>217687333>muh chlorine chickensame fearmongering bs as with ttip, it never gets oldagain, you're a moron
>>217687214>>217687386And no we're nothing alike, tough guy.This conversation is over, never (you) me ever again.
>>217673284hundreds of years of fighter pilot bravado seeped into the r&d processyou just can't convince them to not risk their life.also the software for the drones does not exist yet, you can tell by how difficult boston dynamics robots are and how limited their range of (re)action
>>217686806>Wants to make their own war planes to stop being reliant on american jets>Gives away its self reliance when it comes to agriculture, giving it to americansAnd thats why Mr.Dassault is a national Hero.We cannot let these retards being in charge of anything. Same goes for the energy policies.Germany is a cancer.
>>217687402kek, I'm really intimidated now>>217687851the Mercosur FTA would create the biggest economic bloc in the world and put us in a better negotiating position against the US. You have no clue what you're talking about.
>>217686806>We're closer to Russia than you are.Don't worry we have a plan for that!
>>217687843>hundreds of years of fighter pilot bravado seeped into the r&d processThis. We should seek to fuse the machine with the flesh rather than making self driving machines
>>217686521As "good" as it would be for our MIC, Europeans really need to fuck off and learn to defend themselves again.Eat your vegetables and make your own fighters.
>>217687957>it would create le biggest economic bloc in le wooooorldI don't give a shit bitch.Because it won't pass. We will vote against it.
>>217688034it will probably pass with some caveats for farmers. But this is what I meant when I talked about French anons acting like 13 year olds on here. Seriously, how old are you?
>>217688078>it will probably pass with some caveats for farmersNo no it won't. I assure you.
>>217688015what "good"? Sales are good for the MIC, period. But I'm nta and I do want us to build our own stuff.
>>217688015>Europeans really need to fuck off and learn to defend themselves again.Ok so when you guys are leaving?
>>217688138Our military bases aren't for defending you. They're for extending our geopolitical force projection.If you have an issue with our bases, declare war against us. Otherwise, back to the cuck shed with you.
>>217687998do you think the old UFO sighting where the object initiates an escape routine were prototypes of US or soviet drones?that could explain the insane manoevers and the slight delay the thing has, since it takes some time to realize that it has been detected, and then accelerates rapidly into another direction to throw off followers.>inb4 foo fighterslights over germany are quite common.
>>217688163TOP KEK
>>217688163Or we just deny your soldiers access to our food banks and watch them starve
>>217688269take the L in dignity, the ami is right
>>217688163Oh my SIDES
>>217688269So? Who's your greatest ally?Say it one more time. PRETTY PLEASE.
>>217688163You have my respect tonight.You just made 10 german posters prolapse in a single post.
>>217688430there's like 2 german posters itt, I made most posts. And I would guess the 4 french replies to this american posts are from one anon too lol.
>>217688494Goodnight anon.Must be painful being slapped in the face so hard by reality.We don't hate you hate that much though, its mainly banter. You pathetic kraut.Bonne nuit.
>>217688621I'm a realist and I've made it clear in this thread a couple times, nothing here slapped me in the face because I know the world quite well. It's rather annoying not being able to talk to other men like adults would, feels like a teenager chatroom frankly which is actually pathetic (from you). And how many more times are you gonna announce your very last reply to me now?
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>>217687333>Italians are indeed opposed to it too.thats not a good thing. a free trade deal with south america is exactly what our industry needs. also cheap food from south america would be a boon. our food prices are sky high because our highly subsidized farmers can charge premium prices knowing tariffs block out the competition. at the same time they can import fertilizer and livestock feed from south america. there is also the issue that we have too many farmers anyway. europe has only half the farmland america has, but we have 5 times as many farmers. so basically 10 times more farmers per achre of farmland. that is why farming is so expensive here. they need to fusion farms to become more efficient. farmers are like 3 % of the gdp yet we are supposed to suck their cocks forever and go into trade wars with all the world just so they can keep their cosy lazy country lifestyle financed by the taxpayer. i hate it soooo much.
>>217689420I also hope for total farmers death. Fuck off with paying 30-40 euros/kg for some ham
>>217674850Time to join the jap-uk-ita project?
How DARE Germany not let France use it as a piggy bank
>>217692683The problem is, like that other Anon said everything Germany tries to lead turns into shit because they are retarded. And not only are they retarded enough to constantly self-sabotage, they actively try to sabotage other EU countries as well so everyone goes down with them. See their energy policy, Von der Leyen EU leadership, Mercosur, the list goes on.Now granted, France isn't much better, but at least it doesn't try to cripple its neighbours just to feel better about crippling itself it its vast stupidity.
