Speakers of gendered languages, how is it decided what gender newly named objects, or objects from foreign cultures, are?
>>217754707For example, what gender is the torii gate in the OP?
English is a gendered language too you know
>>217754740I meant grammatical genders
gendered language is stupid idea only exist in arabic influenced languages (like French).
>>217754707I also wonder this
bump
you just feel it out
>>217754707It just feels right or wrong, like all grammar in your native language. But usually they are en-words, as opposed to ett-words t: speaker of a dumbass language with an 82/18 distribution of gendered words.
>>217754707In Russian it's mainly on the ending. But now always.For example Meтpo (Metro aka subway) was male gender in the start of 20th century, but now it's neuter gender. And by the ending the neuter one suits it more.And to be honest the whole gendered system in language is retarded. There is literally no need for that, language would function perfectly without it. It only gives some little bit flexibility and makes language more good for poetic shit and all of that.
>>217755706Elaborate!
>>217755783Yeah, in some dialects of Swedish both remaining genders have merged, eliminating gender essentially. Lol. We're almost there anyway, it works the same.
>>217754707I'd say that in Polish torii would be neuter "to torii", because it ends with an "i". In Polish it works basically like this>a or polish letters (ś, ć, ń, etc) - feminine>any other vowel - neuter>consonant - masculineObviously there are some exceptions, but generally it's like this. German is fucked though, it's almost all random
>>217754717It would probably have the same gender as any other gate
>>217754707You make it sound like tranny shit when it all comes to word endings.In this case you are using "gate" before actually saying it so... la puerta torii?If it was torii alone I guess it would be el torii
>>217754717>une porte toriithat's a woman>un portail toriithat's a man
>>217755706Is dildo masculine?
>>217755869yes
>>217754707Das Tor=>Das <Japanese thing> Tor
>>217754717Neutral gender in Swedish. Example sentence: Dendä torin.
I can't even think of any recent new words or objects that aren't in some way derived of existing words. And of course their gender gets derived as well.
Generally, if it ends in -o it's usually male, if ends with -a it's usually female.If it ends with another vowel or a consonant you apply a reasoning by analogy. For instance: that's a torii. A torii is a japanese portal. Portal is male, therefore torii is male.
>>217754707They just are, probably due to etymology or common use over time. For names and loanwords things can get iffy, for example a BMW car, most people call it la BMW (feminine) but others il BMW (masculine). Then you have things like tavolo (table, masculine) and tavola (table/board, feminine), it's all a bit random
>>217755956Then how would you genderize the word "izzat"?
>>217754717It doesn't have a gender in Russian, because it would be "вpaтa Topии" (Torii gates). There is no singular for gate in Russian, it is always gates.
>>217755956>mfw hearing someone saying la lore when talking about a game's lore
>>217754707If it ends with a vowel we'll probably make it a feminine noun. If not it'll probably be a male noun. Its original gender in french or whatever doesn't matter much.
>>217756035Feels like a male word, I think as a general rule foreign loanwords are mostly male
>>217754717gates are always male
>>217754717It has two legs and are wide open. Female.
>>217755956an example is the word "jihad". in italian, most people say "la jihad" since they associate it with "holy war" ("guerra santa"), which is female. however, in arabic it's masculine>>217756035similarly, this would be masculine because it's some indian version of honor
>>217754717it would be female because the word gate is female (porta torii)
>>217755869Oh là là le dildo masculin noir.... quell délicieux !
>>217756301Mutt's law
>>217754717Gate = portão = male
>>217754707>>217754717Noun gender is usually decided by how harmonious it sounds. This is the only reason why nouns are masculine or feminine. You can see how bullshit it is sometimes with the appearance of new words. Here COVID was supposed to be "la COVID" because the D is for disease, and the french word for disease, "maladie", would be feminine. But no one gives a fuck because it sounds horrible, and so "le COVID" became the norm instead, because it was the most natural and pleasant way of saying it.There are no actual rules for this, it's just vibes.
>>217756424Covid = virus Virus = maleCovid = male
>>217754707many female names end with -a or -ia in English language too.similar thing happens also to common nouns in gendered Indo-European languages and they are usually regarded "female".Your language dropped off most of the trailing vowels from nouns though.
>>217756443it's the coronavirus disease, la maladie à coronavirus. Disease/maladie is the first noun, this is the one the pronoun will refer to
>>217756366NTA but no quite
>>217756424>>217756523my French gf explained this to me a while ago with that exact same example when I asked OP's question (minus the gate). Fascinating
>la vergefemale>le vaginmale
>>217756523But you say it like covie, not as individual words though. So who cares.
>>217756888yeah, but academics are autistic and the government and journalists kept pushing for la COVID, while everybody were saying le COVID
>>217756096So is dildo feminine in arabic?
>>217754707>>217754717Gendered language has nothing to do with sex. It's decided entirely based on the sound. For example in Polish, words ending with "a" are generally female, while words ending with "o" are generally neuter. The purpose of declaring that a word is male or female is just to have a consistent declension, that's all. I don't think you can declense (is that a word?) the word torii, since it's a foreign word. But I'd call it female due to it actually just being a short version of "torii gate", since "gate" is female.Consult the pic for an example. Female words declense in a consistent way, because they are similar sounding. Because they are similar sounding, they're deemed "female". If you took a female word and tried to declense it in the "male" way, it would just end up sounding very awkward, and wouldn't roll off the tongue as well. That's really all there is to it.
