>>217773835
africans couldn't sail even to fucking Cape Verde and São Tomé and Príncipe when the portuguese reached these islands, which were completely uninhabited
the portuguese were absolute retards for not taking these islands.

"Close" is a relative term. It's still 3000km away on the narrowest point. Africans didn't even discover Madagascar, despite it being right next to the African coast

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>>217773907
>>217773916
Why not? Were the Africans incapable of making the same technological progress as the Europeans? Why would that be?

>>217773934
on a bright side they actually CAN travel to europe nowadays

>>217773835
if the legends are true, they actually did discover it, it's just that none have come back to really do anything with it

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>>217773835
Dude, Africans didn't even discover Madagascar.

>>217773916
I thought Madagascar had some blackpipo and the I like to move it move it lemurs

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Bantu Africans didn't even reach Madagascar until Arab slavers brought them there, by which point Austronesians were already settled.

>>217773907
>the portuguese were absolute retards for not taking these islands.
They did retard.

>>217773916
>>217774062
>Africans didn't even discover Madagascar, despite it being right next to the African coast
It'a had human presence on it for ages prior to the Borneon migration to it. Even the folklore of the Malagasy said they encountered some people.

>>217773934
Sailing isn't some easy shit. It takes a ton of research, estimates, mapping and massive risk taking. Portugal was always a Marine state and had a deep background with it. The discovery of the route to up and down the Western African coast was pretty piecemeal and even some of the islands were surprises to Portguese navigators.

>>217774125
>They did retard.
yeah, that's the reason these islands are full of portuguese now, imbecile.

>>217774083
>Bantu Africans didn't even reach Madagascar until Arab slavers brought them there
Who told you that?

>>217774138
>the portuguese were absolute retards for not taking these islands.
Implies that they didn't take it. Do you not read your own English?

>>217774159
I mean, taking it definitively, with their own people, saar.

>>217774125
>It takes a ton of research, estimates, mapping and massive risk taking
So are you saying the Africans were not capable of this?

>>217774191
Considering Western Africa has few natural ports and interior/riverine trade and statea being more relevant than coastal ones tips the scales. Even aptitude in naval navigation wasn't level among Europe. Some were better at it than others. Eastern Africa had more coastal trade and navigation going on.

>>217773835
Mali tried

>>217773835
Blacks lacked the technology to make advanced ships. They also had no reason to ever think of going in that direction.
Europeans had the technology and the motivation to go west in search of a different route to India.

>>217774189
They did. Who do you think lives in Cabo Verde right now?

>>217773835
Blacks lacked the ability to build galleons, organize into societies let alone have farming

>>217774247
are you really that stupid or just a troll?

>>217774272
>organize into societies let alone have farming
?

>>217773961
>if the legends are true
What legend? Africans did not set foot in the Americas until they were brought over as slaves by Europeans.

>>217774224
If they were at all capable they would have. They were not capable.

>teehee black people never discovered madagascar
black people didn't arrive in mozambique until around 300 only some 200 years before austronesians arrived in madagascar. why the FUCK would they sail to madagascar when they hadn't even filled the mainland?
>teehee black people didn't discover cape verde
cape verde is a shithole
>teehee black people don't know how to swim or build boats
how did they get to bioko then, retards

>>217774138
I thought they were portuguese too but apparently they're Africans, it was hard to tell the difference

>>217774275
cape verdeans are mulatto rape babies like brazilians

>>217773835
It takes a lot of specific conditions for a civilization to turn a switch and basically go "yes I'll just sail straight for months or years into the unknown"

>>217774325
>If they were at all capable they would have.
Navigation and sailing isn't an instant effort. Even the Canary Islands and Iceland were pretty recent discoveries and Iceland was right nearby with the Canaries being proximate to Morrocco and to a lesser extent Iberia.

>They were not capable.
Again it's all speculation. We don't know if they did have a way to travel to that specific set of islands or just didn't chance upon it. There were other islands nearby that had Africans settle them like Fernando Po.

itt paradoxtards who think technology is just a linear progression and you unlock lateen sails automatically if your faction has enough science points

hella timmis talking shit knowing damn well they couldnt get nowhere in their own cities without turning on waze

>>217773835
Well there was the supposed Malian attempt Abu Bakr I think?

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>>217774138
The Portuguese did settle there. They just sexed their slaves and created a new race.

>>217774490
Yeah found it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_voyage_of_the_predecessor_of_Mansa_Musa
Supposedly they turned back after most of the ships were lost in some really rough waters that sound an awful lot like the type of currents you get at the mouth of the Amazon.

>>217774142
The experts

Africans never left the African continent
Other humans had much more ingenuity and left and conquered and migrated onto eurasia but negroes didn't
They remained in the archaic human homeland, Picking berries, behaving like primitive humans
Every development on archeology begins after the out of Africa humans settle eurasia

The ones that stood behind spend 300k years without discovering he wheel and others leaving wasnt going to change that
Out of Africa simply confirms blacks are he most archaic humans

>>217774321
in the more obscure history, I don't remember exactly, but during the mali empire times, there was an expedition that went west
I read it a long time ago, and I don't know if it's the mali empire even, but there was a story of people attempting to go there before spanish

>>217773835
They couldn’t even discover the islands close to them.
Canary Islands: Berbers and later Spaniards
Cape Verde: Portuguese
São Tomé and Príncipe: Portuguese
Madagascar: Malagasy and Austronesian
Réunion: France
Seychelles: Portuguese and Austronesian
Comoros: Austronesian
Mauritius: Arabs
Socotra: Greeks and Arabs

>>217773934
Europe, SEA and China had tutorial seas right next door they could practice at no cost, SSA africans face the deep ocean

>>217774843
Again, Africans did not set in the Americas before they were brought here as slaves, i.e. there is no evidence of African presence in the Americas until they were brought over as slaves. No archeological evidence, no DNA evidence.

>>217773835
africans didn't have enough time to develop their civilization like europeans