>Japan is legit becoming poorer than Eastern Europe
>MUH GDP
>>217778404>>217778414you say it like those were bad things
>>217778416It's also wage averages. Poland is now 1500€ NET and Japan is 1900€. By 2030s most of Eastern EU will be making more money than Japanese people if current growth trends continue.
>>217778465i personally prefer japanese money more than polish money, therefore japan is better.
Romanians are rapist even if they become rich with EU money though
>>217778493The Japanese pay more for everything and work more than people in Poland. In reality Poles are already much better off than people in Japan, but soon it's not even gonna be just PPP it's also gonna be on nominal terms (pic related).
>>217778404What causes this? It's only natural that east Europe is growing fast after the communist repression was lifted, but it's still hard to imagine them overtaking Japan. I guess Japan has an inverted population pyramid, but doesn't EE have an inverted population pyramid too?
>>217778600>What causes this?EU gibs and Germany moving tons of production to eastern europe>but doesn't EE have an inverted population pyramid too?It's very similar across all europe and Japan
>>217778649It's difficult to imagine that scraps off western europe's table would make east europe as rich as Japan. But I guess the japanese economy hasn't really grown for a long time
>>217778729At the end of the 80s I think they were legit the single richest major country in terms of GDP per capita and purchasing power. Japan's fall over the last couple decades is legit insane.
>>217778729Japan is still decades ahead of eastern europe, raw numbers you see posted don't pain the real whole picture. Their social structure is light years ahead, same with democracy and corruption. The only aspect when they do fall behind is their slavish work culture
>>217778798Weeb delulu. Japan is technologically stuck in the 80s.
>>217778798What does all that shit even mean? If a Pole >earns more money >has lower expenses >works less hours than a Japanese person then what exactly is he missing out on?
>>217778798>same with democracy and corruption They’ve had the same party running the country since occupation.
>>217778755To be fair, that was an economic bubble. But it's interesting how (and why) they never really recovered>>217778798>Their social structure is light years ahead, same with democracy and corruptionYou'd think this would translate into a GDP advantage as well
Communism works
>>217778755And I wonder why money didn't make Eastern Europeans civilized. They are still seen as robbers, shoplifters even here. It's funny enough it proved that German scientists theory about untermenchen is truth.
>>217778850Japan has better education and healthcare, it's just a fact sorry
>>217778798Democracy is badThe more democratic a country the more brown and pussywhiped it becomes Countries like america are becoming occupied nations running towards ethnic caudillism as result of democracy.While others like china are thriving as result of authoritarian socialism
>>217778404How do they manage to have so much debt without collapsing?
>>217778506>>217778621He is zainichi gipsy
>>217778907Chuds cannot understand that debt is fine as long as interest is paid. Google what a default is.
>>217778894God you fucking BRICSbots are delusional. Chinese women are having less babies than Jap women even. Possibly less than South Koreans even since there's some evidence of statistical manipulation.
>>217778943Yeah but as debts grow, so do interest payments. As interest payments grow, it's money off of other spending, which usually hurts the economy
>>217779033Yep. The idea is that the line goes up infinitely and the credit will eventually pay off. Too bad the line hasn’t gone up in forever. But Japan is still way off from defaulting.
>>217778404Japan has been stagnant or barely growing for like 3 decades now, ever since house market bubble popped and US forced Japan to give up on further financial expansion in NA. Japan was growing so fast US actually had to fuck them over a little, they just keep on devaluing their currency to boost exports and tourism + buying shitton of US debt. I've seen many japs working in EU, even in Poland I meet couple of them in IT / banking. Their home market is so screwed that homes actually lose value over time, and due to earthquakes and tsunamis it's better to just demolish homes each 30 years and build new ones in new technology. 12 hours a day working culture, NPC swarm collective culture and so on, heard a lot from the japs I met in EU.
>>217778907Too big to fail.They cant default or all other countries will. Same for Italy. Greece and Argentina can default whenever they like because their economy is smol
>>217779252>Japan was growing so fast US actually had to fuck them over a little, they just keep on devaluing their currency to boost exports and tourismso this is where Germany took the idea of the euro o algo
>>217779376The euro is quite effective as far as currencies go.
>>217778755Pretty crazy how rich they got in the first place when we hear about some catastrophic earthquake/tsunami over there every other yeah Other countries have no excuse
Oh no we now have a fucking plumber talking economics
>>217778907Like half of their debt is owned by their own bank and another good forth at least is owned by Japanese investors. Not the same situation as most other countries and we should have probably taken them as an example
>>217778907Japan indebted to itself, it's called dutch debt because such phenomenon first occurred in oligarchic Holland
>>217778465If
>>217778404Unfortunately you're right, Super Sentai Hero series is canceled in Japan.
>>217779682I don't think there's much if to it especially for Poland.
>>217778600Cause we paid out of pocket to uplift the slavshits out of their selfmade misery. Useless scum
>>217778404>>217778465>if current growth trends continue
>>217778600>but doesn't EE have an inverted population pyramid too?It will get a lot worse for them soon
>>217781890Current meaning last 5 years not the boom of the early 2000s. As I said Poles are essentially already better off than Japanese people are. It's 1500€ wage vs 1900€ one but with significantly higher costs for everything.
I'm actually overestimating the Japanese average net wage. It's more like 1800€.
>>217778943They spent a quarter of their budget on servicing debt this year. That's not 'fine' even if you don't default on your loans. It's a huge amount of public spending and Japan's economy doesn't grow at huge speed to counter these payments.
Japan stole our shipbuilding industry and i am supposed to feel bad for them? No i will not
>>217781922>with significantly higher costs for everything.Wrong. Poland is more expensive than Germany and Japan is cheaper.than Germany.A house for a family of four 40 minutes from Shibuya by very punctual train costs 1000 Euro/month in rent.A restaurant meal costs 3-5 Euros in Japan
>>217782098>Poland is more expensive than Germanyb8 or retarded?
>>217778649is this real? wtf that’s so grim
>>217782098>house>rentlol
>>217782098What the fuck are you talking about
>>217782118Of course it is. He only thing that's cheaper is gas and cigarettes and that's entirely due to taxes. Groceries are more expensive and rent is higher in some polish shitholes than in German cities of the same size.
>>217778404>Muh gee dee pee!Irrelevant. Japan has one of the highest standards of living in the world and has maintained it's cultural and national identity. Better to have a safe, homogeneous, civilised nation than a crime ridden, neoliberal economic zone filled with third worlders
>>217782181>rentxD
chud morons will still screech about how the whole economy is fake and it doesn’t matter if the line goes down btw
>>217782187>Better to have a safe, homogeneous, civilised nation than a crime ridden, neoliberal economic zone filled with third worldersby Eastern Europe he probably meant safe, homogenous countries like Poland and Czechia, not Russia
>>217782217he is romanian
>>217782193Yes rent, the cost of housing in general can be gauged by rent alone
>>217782175What's cheaper there? Groceries? Housing? ???
>>217782264no, you're retarded, almost nobody rents here, and our housing is significantly cheaper than in Germany
>>217782217>>217782255I meant in general. Poland is already there and will be completely over Japan in every metric by 2030-2031. By the late 2030s even countries like Bulgaria could be there.
>>217782293My groceries were like 40% more expensive when I bought in Southern Germany so yeah.
>>217778557>work more than people in Polandyou have no clue how fucking hard people work here>>217778857>They’ve had the same party running the country since occupation.are we talking about germany or japan?
>>217782307Renting or not, there's a cost for buying land, repairs, construction, taxes, you absolute dimwit. A Japanese wouldn't be this stupid.
>>217782328I don't think so. Things like rice and fruits have the same international prices and the sweets, chips yoghurt that are produced in Germany and then exported aren't cheaper either. Actually I don't have to say "think" because I know after being there myself.
>>217782354>there's a cost for buying land, repairs, construction, taxes, you absolute dimwit.and you're genuinely retarded if you think that these costs are lower in Germany than in Poland
>>217782348I somehow have trouble believing you're doing 720 hours of overtime a year over there.
>>217782391poles do manual slave work not sit around looking serious and drink as part of work
>>217778600Probably few factors>Never fully recovered from 90s bubble burst, still hasn't recovered and presently in economic stagnation>Inverted pop pyramid, Japanese people are fucking (somewhat) but not having children>Doesn't have EU, has uplifted slavs and romanis out of their miseryPoland and Balkaners should be kissing German, Italian, and French feet for the gibs.
>>217778404>PPProrrmao
>>217778907>How do they manage to have so much debt without collapsing?because most of the debt is within the country. All japanese boomers own japanese bonds. Thats where all the debt is. Its not overseas like its common with debts usually its all within the country
>>217782471I intentionally avoided PPP in this thread. You will overtake them in nominal terms in the next 5 years, in terms of average wages before even that.
>>217782390Apparently they are with rent being more expensive
>>217782468access to usa market alone is more lucrative than eu
>>217782578I didn't know that the USA gifted Japan 2-5% of their GDP in free gifted investment money annually like Germany did with slavs
>>217782547>rent rent rent rent rentkek germcuck literally can't imagine actually owning a property>The average price per square meter in Warsaw hovers around 16,000–18,500 PLN (€3,400–€3,900)>The average price per square meter in Berlin for buying property hovers around €5,100 - €5,400>In Munich (2025 data), the average square meter price for apartments ranges widely, from around €8,100 for existing units to over €13,000 for new constructions, while houses can average €9,000-€11,000+fucking dumbass
>>217782578EU also gives access to a big market plus it gives a lot free funding and investment. Poland and Romania also aren't excluded from the American market either.
>>217782348>are we talking about germany or japan?We have two boomer parties, one of which is dying. The rest are post Cold War.
>>217782542It's impossible if yen recovers but doesn't look like it will. If yen goes back to being 105-110 against dollar Japan's gdp per capita would jump to 50k. There is no way Poland or any eastern european country coming anywhere close to that in the near future
>>217782618lying againare you russian?
>>217782175maybe certain products are cheaper but plenty are more expensive as well. here's the same blueberries in lidl in bulgaria and in germany
>>217782618investments aren't gifts higher development mean higher competition so investment in foreign countries is common sense eu just making it easier and safer
>>217782742It varies by product. There was also some Italian candy at the German shop being sold for 6 fucking euros, when I know for a fact in Italy that's 2.5 euro.
>>217782685
>>217782760Investments made by private companies isn't the same as literal free helicopter money thrown into Poland
>>217782663are you retarded or only pretending to be?
>>217782810>gross EU transferslol, lying and manipulating as alwaysshow the balance of actual cohesion funds, not ALL transfers coming into Poland
>>2177819208 years of increase in median age still puts poland in the ballpark of that of germany
>>217782859CDU has actual competition. They’re so desperate these days that they’re forming coalitions with SPD, their main historic competitor. Both parties’ voter base is 60 year olds who want more pensions at the expense of youth.Seethe more, Janusz.
>>217782637>still no response to thisgermcuck pretends whole discussion never happened after being exposed lying
>>217778798Cash is still the most common form of buying in Japan
>>217782839financing of development programs isn't the same as helicopter money, by your logic it would be better to ditch flooded region in germany than to rebuild it and make it profitable again
>>217782810you spend more on lgbt propaganda than gibs to poland and don't pretend like 25 years of fresh white slaves did nothing for your economy you disingenuous imbecile>>217782919>They’re so desperate these days that they’re forming coalitions with SPDyeah like that's the first that that's happenedthere's nothing that SPD and CDU don't fundamentally agree on it's practically just a different branch of the same political establishment
>>217782970I already addressed this point before. There is no need to repeat myself
>>217783021Unrelated to my point above. The motivation behind throwing free money into poland is unrelated to the fact that it's free money
>>217782839>free helicopter money thrown into Polandwho do you think is the receiving end of the investments?we get 20% of project funding and a bigass board to remind us to be thankful to our EU overlords and a german companies in germany and poland get to keep profit at 20 different levels on supply chain
>>217783105>I decided to ignore actual data and reiterate on my previous lieslol
>>217783157>bigass board to remind us to be thankful to our EU overlordsTake a good look at it.
>>217783188does germany also get EU funded migrant camps or is it just poland?
>>217783133german road building company influences the german government > german government influences eu > eu allocates finances on a specific project > german road building company gets the money
Japan will remain more prosperous and a better place to live than Eastern Europe.Only by 1.6% of GDP annually (generous calculation) and unlimited institutional knowledge transfer has rapidly aging poland been able to become as expensive as or arguably more expensive than Germany.Meanwhile Japan is very cheap and a major global power of its own, misrepresented in GDP statistics due to exchange rates. Even at one tenth the income it would still be a better place to live than eastern Europe but in reality it has much higher income, even more so when adjusted for price of living. Its.future is bright.
>>217783280The German company receives back 40% of the taxes it paid itself the year before. Materials and the labor of its employees that don't work for free either left the country irreversibly.
>>217783449You keep saying this every year and every year Japan just keeps getting poorer relative to the rest of the world.
>>217778621goddamn he likes the GILFs.
>>217783021>by your logic it would be better to ditch flooded region in germany than to rebuild it and make it profitable againDishonest false equivalence, western EU citizens have been and still are forced to finance the east through taxation, no question asked>profitable again>againEastern europe was always poor, I don't care for any copes, it's a shithole region and always was
>>217783449japan is literally an american colony because if uncle sam cuts the lifeline the country is going greece EU style
>>217783532Phuket is a better place to live than prague, now imagine Okinawa
>>217783555>Eastern europe was always poorShut up. It's recent times (14th-18th centuries) when Poland used to be a relatively well off kingdom that produced plenty of architecture, art and literature.In medieval times the Byzantine empire was much wealthier than the West.In ancient times pre Danube frontier collapse even the Balkans were better off than the West.
>>217783698the wealth of dacia made rome great again
>>217783759Dacia was a backwater, it was just used for resource extraction. For Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Belarus it's probably accurate to say they were never wealthy.Relative to the rest of the world Ukraine and Russia probably peaked in Soviet times while Romania in the 2020s.
>>217783698poland may have been relatively rich but it was never more than like 60-70% as rich as western countries today is about as close as we've ever gotten
>>217783974You're rich, time to become net contributor to EU
>>217784011maybe
>>217778404their current policies will make €1 = ¥200
>>217784011closer than you think
>>217784036Time to vacation in Japan.
>>217778907they own USA debt. USA simply cannot allow them to collapse because then that would mean Japan would start selling USA debt to cover their own thus depreciating the dollar
>>217778755A Japanese worker in 1993 made more than a Japanese worker today
>>217786185What happened in 2011?
>>217778404??
>>217786352>Romania
>>217778404I watched some docu about Japan and business owners said that raising wages by even 0.01 yen can destroy a business.
>>217786352Now check a chart from 10 years ago. Poland will be over you in nominal terms in a couple more years.
>>217778404what hating zainichis does to a motherfucker
>>217786352>>217786390Btw here's PPP.
>>217782547you got cooked by a seba lmao
>>217786251Tohouku Earthquake and Fukushima disaster. Social Democratic Party also fucking with the economy causing the LDP to make a whopping comeback.
>>217786455>>217786544Use your own country as a benchmark, lol.You're using Poland because you know Romania will never catch up to Japan, aren't you?A country where young people aren't being born and the elderly make up half the population simply cannot become prosperous. Yet Romania can't even catch up to such an ageing superpower, lol.
>>217786686We are in a bit of a Greek-style financial crisis right now so I'd rather not use it as an example. What does it matter for anyway what country I am from? This is not a personal attack, it's just stating the facts.
>>217778404I would rather be homeless in Japan than anywhere else.FYI; Japan has no homeless people
>>217787765Neither do we. We have something crazy like the highest rate of home ownership in the world. Doesn't mean it's a good place to live.
>>217787985these stats are pointless because anyone that lives with their parents even at 30 is a home owner. we also have very high rate for this reason
>>217778404they're not, their wealth per capita is like 5 times that of the best eastern european shitholeif you have an old rich guy who's been accumulating wealth for decades, and a nouvou riche person who just surpassed him in income in the past couple years (if we were to believe your premise), the first guy is still way wealthier even if he might be making less money currently, by virtue of decades of being rich, that's why a random japanese village looks nicer and more prosperous than your average EE city
>>217783643All of us are American colonies
