This is so dumb and inane. Who thought a system like this where you have to do rote memorization for every character AND stroke order was clever?
>>217797601that's why chinese average IQ is 109 and sweden's 97
I like it.
>>217797655>584-5842528_kanji-writing-order-for-heaven-japanese-symbol.jpg>>chineseAverage for portugal must be 70.
if you learn a couple hundred and study radicals you can intuit the rest
>>217797763Anon... Japanese and Chinese use the same characters...
>>217797601it was one of the earliest writing systems, so it makes sense it wouldnt be perfect. Although they would be able to read every word and create new words more easily if they switched to the latin alphabet.It doesnt matter how hard it is, ultimately they already use the latin alphabet to type with their computers and they only have to learn English and their language, they have 12 years of education to do both.
>>217797763japan inherited their culture from china
>>217797855Yeah but somewhere along the line, and after contact with several other cultures, they must've reached the conclusion that their written language was really inefficient and required people in the government to waste so much time studying it. Many, many countries have had language reforms in history, but for this awful system for some reason.
>>217797601>top right, top left, bottom right, bottom leftStroke order solved>this one looks like a big guy, it means big. This one looks like a heart, it means heart. This one looks like a dagger, it means deathKanji/hanzi solved
>>217797601>>217797655Maybe you should git gud, idk. Reminds me of when I had fellow students dropping out of ELEMENTARY Japanese classes because of the kanji. They literally just learned how to count one to juu, and they're already complaining about kanji. Go study Korean or some shit.
>>217797601it's the internet age. You don't have to memorize stroke order anymore, you can look it up by the pronunciation if you know the reading.and if you don't, you can look up another word containing the same kanji and search for words containing said kanji.
>>217797655fpbp>>217797763>american education
>>217798233They did, Chinese wasn't even the main script of the Qing dynasty it was the Manchu script which was based on the Ughur/Syriac script the empire wouldn't have worked at all if it ran solely on classical Chinese. The only people who were promoting in during Qing were Jesuits and cloistered Mandarins that deliberately would make the language as inefficient and foreign just to prevent their literati club from being taken over by Qing bureaucracy. Jesuits didn't want other missionaries snooping around the forbidden cities and Mandarins wanted to keep their local customs like foot binding, court eunuchs, geomancy (feng shui), and grinding random animal parts into medicine. No culture would willingly keep a system on par with 300 BC hieratic systems unless they had to and China didn't even preserve it they standardized it and turned it into a vernacular after the 1930s their nationalists only kept it to stop themselves from being absorbed by socialists.
I always wonder what was going around in the heads of prehistroic Chinese people who invented their writing. To me, it seems like they were trying to communicate literally before the need for accounting and record keeping like the Levantines did with their phonetic writing so "emojis" became the norm instead
>>217799712I believe that the distinction of purpose with "the accounting and record keeping" is important as being able to check how much grain is in the grainary deposits is almost a universal pre-requiste for everyone in society, so writing needs to be simple to learn. All the while the Chinese were probably trying to relay religious and authoritative instructions across various peoples with different spoken languages so pictograms made logical sense
>>217799712Most cultures that developed writing made it hard as fuck on purpose to feel all uppity compared to the plebsItalians and greeks were the exception
>>217799978korean writing was created out of pity for the low iq plebs but because of that it was looked down upon by the nobility and was not fully adopted for common use among the populace until the modern era
>>217800201I wish spoken Japanese was as sophisticated as spoken Korean so that we wouldn't need kanji anymore. Why do all of our Chinese loanwords have to sound the same?
>>217799204Idiot
>>217797763nice bait, retard
>>217800201North Korea still uses kanji then ?
>>217800783noif the korean wiki is accurate, their knowledge of hanja is worse even than that of SK, and since their curriculum teaches nothing about etymology, they are reportedly unaware that the numerous sino-korean words they use are compounds of hanja
>>217797601Koreans made it.
if Japanese people are so nationalist and hate Chinamen so much why do they still use Kanji to this day?
>>217797601Just from left to right up and downWhat’s so difficult?
Another day, another brainlet filteredKeep making these threads it if will make you feel less inadequate
>>217801041Even anti-Chinese people in Japan are aware of the importance of classical Chinese culture in shaping the countryThey just blame the CCP for ruining everything and come up with copes about how REAL Chinese culture only survived here
>>217801239What's the merit of it then?
>>217801698Development of high IQs, 怪咯.
idk about chinese ppl, but most of us japanese don't gaf about the order of strokes. if you can write the kanji properly, it's enough.
>>217801734You don't need to sacrifice the efficiency of your written language for that.
>>217801698none for you, so just ignore it
>>217797655sent OP flying>>217797763>picrel
>>217801754Nothing inefficient about it besides the initial learning (which is good in cultivating our young's brains since it's more complex)In fact it's actually more efficient since 汉字 has more specific tokenisation of meanings than europoid languages. You also need multiple letters to string together a single word in your language, in our language we can literally use one character in some instances to convey an entire sentence.
>>217801851>Nothing inefficient about itMust be the reason why Chinese is the dominant language in the planet.
>>217801851Information per character is not a good metric. You could encode entire sentences in 1 character and it would be even denser and better in that metric, but you understand how such a language would be retarded, yes?I mean adults don't even know 30% of kanji or mandarin characters. You do more manual lookup than someone trying to decide which meaning of "mask" is used.
>>217801931It will be once China wins the war on Taiwan, officially humiliates the US hegemony and ushers in the Chinese Century.>>217801954The non-use of irrelevant archaic words is not a mandrin-exclusive phenomena. Our language is a 5000 year continuation that has been used by not just us, but Korea (hanja), Japan (kanji) and Vietnam (chunom), its natural there will be some words across that entire history that will fall out of use, like how english doesn't use "whence/thou/thy" anymore.
>>217802086I will give you phull sapport saar if you send 2 million chinese here to fight against the US and Mexico and create the Neo Mayan Republic free of American influence.
>>217802086Not counting archaic symbols, you will spend much more mental effort looking up unknowns that someone trying to decide what "mask" means. Most Japanese people know like 3 000 out of 6 000 in use kanji, so you encounter this unknown scenario much more often than some latin script user being confused by what "cell" means in a context.It really is a relic from sholars wanting to feel high and mighty.
You need not strictly follow everything, if the end result is intelligible stroke orders doesn't matter. for example I always write the 戈 part first in 或, and then 口 and 一, but the real order is back and forth between all of them like picrel. Yet nobody knows whether I followed the right stroke order or not.
Latin alphabet technically has it too. But in both cases nobody really gives a crap after like 5th grade or whatever.
>>217800961아니,,,그들은 기본 한자는 배워서 오히려 한국인들 보다 잘알아, 문해력도 높고..한국인들이 개판이지..
>>217801851AI doesn't understand grammar, it runs off keywords and predicts what it thinks the correct response is through data. If you've read the children's book Gulliver's Travels there's this device called The Engine that does exactly what AI does and the high-tech society of Laputa relies on it for everything. This book was published in 1726, indexing and predicting data isn't a new concept but you'll still find people who think Akinator is magic. The fact it responds more to words that require no context tells me that it's a more advanced search engine.
>>217797763>american education
>>217802240>Mwho the fuck writes it like that
>>217802451nta Japan has a different stroke order from China, either that man is the biggest weeb to ever walk this earth or he reverse searched the image and saw that it was labelled kanji.
>>217802483Yeah, that's my point.
now do traditional
>>217797601No one planned it, it just sort of evolved. No one creating a script from scratch would end up with anything like it.
>>217798233Maybe it served pleb-filtering role, like Latin in Europe. (Also served as a common denominator across different spoken languages, like Latin in Europe.)
>>217800317Japanese Braille already doesn't use kanji. (Braille kanji technically exists but is rarely used.)
>>217801041That's like asking why Americans in the 19th century kept using the Roman alphabet even though they were racist against Italians.
>>217802503For a few characters, most are the same.
>>217803031>Braille kanji technically exists but is rarely usedhow does that even work?
>>217803084https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braille_kanji
In my experience, Swedes are generally low IQ morons
>>217797655According to china. If they are so smart, why is their country and writing system so bad?
>>217797601You shouldn't learn them by rote memorization, it's not gonna work.There's actually a decently logical system to how these words are formed, you do need to do a bit of reading though.I recommend downloading the "Heisig's book for Simplified Hanzi"Really helps you make sense of these squigglesl
as far as I know1. logograms suit Chinese language the best.their language doesn't have a concept of inflection. each verb takes only one form constantly regardless of subject and current/past.their language is also framed such that each word or unit of meaning has only one syllable.2. it wasn't at first invented based on administrative purposes, but was introduced for magic and religious practices.they might have thought it was meant to be a special expertise of some ruling class, but would have found out soon that it isn't easy to learn as it appears.
>>217804287*isn't difficult to learn
>>217804287Vietnamese and Thai are very similar in structure but they manage fine without Chinese characters.
>>217804329sounds nice
>>217804287It's worth noting that all the old civilizations used logographic scripts, the Phoenicians invented the alphabet/abjad in the Iron Age but all the Bronze Age writing systems were logographicMaybe it's just that China stuck around while Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia underwent foreign conquest and language shifts
>>217797601Nobody thought it was clever, the Latin script ultimately descends from Egyptian hieroglyphs which were similarly inefficient, Chinese characters just never evolved that way
>>217804287>their language doesn't have a concept of inflection. each verb takes only one form constantly regardless of subject and current/past.so they speak like literal cavemen
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>>217805912they speak like modern stereotypes of cavemenwe don't know what languages cavemen actually spoke, and some hunter-gatherer languages around the world are absurdly complex and weird, so it's not like we can assume it was simplistic
>>217801041Japan and Korea hate each other, but Japan doesn't dislike China.
