Nords look at these med monuments and be like>but what about muh higher HDI per capita according to brussels mcfries institute?
>his civilization peaked in preschool
>>217838968Nice buildings < Better quality of life imo
that's a muslim monument, not med
>>217839092Name FIVE low quality of life country with nice buildings
>>217839232?
I am utterly unimpressed by most muslim architecture. They hate art so it's always bland and soulless geometric shapes. There are random decrepit buildings in Florence that look better than the Alhambra.
Norway is a perfect example. tons of money, oceans of oil, and ZERO culture outside of log cabin building. can’t buy what comes from the soul.
>>217839814Oh yeah, this is definitely so much better
>>217841780it is
>>217841836garish and tacky
>>217841836Am I supposed to be impressed?
>>217841836i am impressed
>>217841836what a waste of good paintings, no one gets the spotlight
>>217842021>>217842079tasteless and proud of it enjoy your muslim geometryslop
>>217842159your pic is the 1700s equivalent of an oil sheik absolutely nothing to be proud of
>>217842207embarrassing reply, embarrassing taste, embarrassing understanding of art, probably why your country's most famous leader had to steal ours when he came here
>>217841780In islam, it is generally forbidden to draw things, which is why they often circumvent the ban on figurative arts with calligraphy, shapes or colorful tiles. Islamic interiors always look like they're lacking something and would look much better if the artists were allowed to draw or sculpt. Why? Because humans have been drawing and sculpting since they settled in caves, and this creative limitation always dulls the final result.To deny this is delusional sandnigger cope.
>>217842336>muh classicism is high art!!!kek, seethe brainletcare to explain why you italian faggots became totally irrevelant after the 1700s?
Moorish architecture is so gaudy
>>217838968you're not med. you're indio
We (nords) recognize the cultural superiority of the Ummayad caliphate and it's successor states in Al-Andalus.
>>217838968to be honest the aqueduct in Segovia impressed me much more than that palace in Granada filled with to*ristsRomans still mog everyone in europe, even after 2000 years.
>>217842845kek is this your best cope? it doesn't have to be italian, most shit scattered across this continent is vastly superior to muslim art due to the sheer power of figurative arts over the dulling insanity of writing "allahu akbar" on a wall 200 times and thinking that's the hottest shit ever
>>217842845Somewhat relevant, not totally irrelevant. And staying on the scene for two millennia is quite an achievement, even if they declined for a time afterwards.
>>217843563nice going moving the goalposts art wise italy has been irrelevant since the neoclassicists, a movement which was impulsed by a german man and carried by french artists. your only valid claim at a significant art movement is barocco and that was 400 years ago. your country has been artistically bankrupt for 300 years save for some teatro d'opera here and there so dont even try to belittle your superiors, med nigger
>>217842727Most european architecture (aside from roman and medieval architecture) looks soulless as fuck. Islamic architecture gives peaceful and relaxing vibes.
>>217838968i have never said this thoughfinland is and always has been a poor uncivilized frozen shithole
>>217843859>moving the goalpostsloool I didn't move anything you niggerfaggot. islamic art is lacking in figures due to self-imposed limitations and is easily mogged, palazzo vecchio (which you posted thinking it was an epic win) has great interiors, and the most famous piece of art in your country is an italian portrait of an italian woman
>>217843978>peacefuldull and boring*
>>217838968>>217843364That's not the Alhambra, that's Sevilla's Alcazar. There is no Roman building able to compete Andalucian architecture.Picrel is Alhambra.>>217839114Islamic civilization is essentially Mediterranean. Semites are since Neolithic Era the heads of the Mediterranean sea leading the spread of Agricultural revolution.>>217839814Sounds as pure sweet envy that as Córdoba peaked under Ummayyads and Augustus era Rome, your cities got to get Jus Primae Nocted by Germans back to prehistory.>>217842021The best part is that the Barbarized Europe didn"t got sewage system until the 19th century.
>>217842021>>217842079Brown hands typing
>>217842727If you need to fill the space with obscene arts of all kind you are a failure as artist. Muslim artists didn't need all that display of idols to make their palaces and temples worthy rivals of Solomon's temple. Castilian art still doesn't fall on shitalian tier Gaudian cringe. But lacks of islamic decoration able to make the stones to talk the wonders of the creator so it stays too sober and dry.
>>217844338That’s my reaction when I see european architecture past the renaissance.
>>217842021This, no sense of space.>>217838968This is great though, Iberian muslims mog.>>217839232There are plenty of those, mostly in MENA, central Asia, SEA etc.>>217839092Also very much this.
>>217844146you are similar to a nigger, shaking gold trinklets in front of your eyes is to you the pinnacle of artistic expression you cannot and do not understand artall you can do is seethe at your superiors (us) because all your greats realised how shit your country is and bolted to france the second they could whore themselves to us
>>217844519You're brown + You're a muslim + You're moroccan + Italy had complex sewage syatems when Muhammad's wives still shat in the open desert + Spain peaked when it removed muslims and jews and became a proto-superpower with a global empire before superpowers existed
lol... 90% of euro flags here are actually nafris or something
>>217838968i was around here once but i never got a chance to go inside the alhambra because i got too drunk from partyingatleast i took a selfie of me on the hill next to it
>>217844519Oh look the retarded moor shill is here>Islamic civilization is essentially Mediterranean.More like they destroyed every med civilization they conquered
So this thread is nafri expats, a pastanigger randomly seething about Muslim art and architecture baited by them and a few passerby watching the exchange, correct?
>>217844146>the most famous piece of art in your countryCome on now, you already know that he isn't French
>>217844672Spain has peaked several times under several extremely different cultures. The peak I prefer is the Andalusian because it was an era centered at arts, occultism, culture, science and philosophy instead of war, imperialism and conquest.+Semitic presence in Spain is older than any Baltic presence in Spain dating back to Phoenician colonies in Cadiz (1,000 BC) and Solomon trade with Tarshish.+++ Near easterners got complex sewage syatems millennia before Romans.++++++ Factually I am an Andalusian and Muslim history enjoyer.
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>>217844916So much cope just to say you're a nafri.
>>217844906 italian niggers never seethe at the painting right in front of the joconde... for some reason. they remind me of niggers crying to the british museum to get their dusty artifacts back because their culture has been so devoid of art ever since that they have to desperately wewuz for attention as if they'll ever get them back
>>217838968Not a fan of those serrated arches.
>>217845009Am I suppose to feel ofended?
>>217844666>brooo you don't get it, it's so superior that they're constrained by a retarded rule about not drawing and sculpting living things born out of desert superstitions>check it out they they plastered ALLAHU AKBAR on the same mosaic 500 times, that's so heckin peaceful, it's not boring and gay at all>pic related? HELL NO, BRO, THAT MAKES YOU A NIGGER, WORSE, IT MAKES YOU A MODERN DAY DUBAI MUSLIM you hate life, you hate beauty, you hate creation, you think subhuman uglyness is a virtue because you're ugly and subhuman >>217844614post-renaissance european art is actually perky and lively >>217844605that's exaclty what I'm talking about. you need to spam colorful tiles and play with the photoshopped sky to make it appear better than it looks. nothing is alive about this, it's dead because you hate life itself
>>217844946map of brown short ugly people
>>217842727Trvthnvuke.
>>217844916Spain peaked when they kicked out the muslims and jews.
>>217845236Uuh, actually taking advantage of words, vegetation, symbols and color in peaky artistic given artists are educated over and over around colors theory.By the other side, that's thing you posted seems as some pajeetical gaudian, like when black people wear gold chains or Indians parade their idols.
>>217845236yeah you're seething incapable of conceiving that aryan people such as me aren't rating your borgia slop alhambra is a XIII/XIV century work, you niggers had rubble piles for churches at that time. be humble
>>217845486>ou niggers had rubble piles for churches at that time. be humbletrying way too hard
>>217845334At military history only.Spain greatest minds and monuments were born in the Golden Age of Andalusia. An influence that actually dominated Europe's universities until XVII century. Almost a millennia after the men who pushed foward Indian and Greek scholar traditions.
>>217844605The human body isn't obscene and God himself made humans nude in the garden of Eden. Italian art isn't just baroque or remaissance, that's just what the french poster cherrypicked so we're going along with it. Gothic and romanic cathedrals are quite barren for instance.In any case, you're not better than other people for creating a stupid rule that kills figurative arts and having to find creative ways to cope with what is obviously lacking, like a Jew.
This is how I imagined how people debated on classical vs gothic in 16th century Paris.
>>217845699>4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.— Exodus 20Alhambra is closer to be in synthony with Solomon's temple than Vatican.
>>217845486>alhambra is a XIII/XIV century work, you niggers had rubble piles for churches at that timeyou're so ignorant, delusional and confidently wrong that you might be a muslim as well, just like the spanish and dutch flags
>>217838968I actually prefer calm and quiet architecture.Pic related a local church where I grew up.
>>217845871In ancient biblical times, images were literally the gods, so much so that one city would "steal the god" from another as a form of humiliation and keep it as a "captive".A statue or painting of a saint is not an image, it is merely an artistic tribute, in the same way that if you kiss a picture of your mother, you know it isn't actually your mother.you are really stupid if you think a mere painting or sculpture is actually idolatry.
>>217845871The temple of Solomon was permanently adorned with cherubim. Stop sniping quotes from the Bible, you don't understand the difference between New and Old Testament and only look like an idiot.
>>217845871Why don't you go back to your country?
>>217845453what I posted is one of the most impressive sculptures made by a man. definitely better than a mosaic. it's not my fault muhammad hated drawings>>217845808except the people ITT are from casablanca and algiers
>>217844605>Samarkandthe only reason i know this place exists is that chess tournaments have been held there. multiple times. apparently because fide got a good deal on the hotel/venue.
>>217845486Hey, "aryan man", how come someone from France doesn't know that something as popular as the Chartres cathedral was built around the same time as the Alhambra? Because the implication of your post is clear. Why do muslims do this cringe LARP where they pretend they built Medieval Wakanda while everyone else was living in the Stone Age? Is that some sort of cope?
>>217845630>kicks out the jews and muslims >becomes superpower >"yeah but did you know that Ibn Khaldun wrote some bomb ass sociology treatises"lmao ok
>>217846849>becomes superpower That doesn't mean much when most of Spain's imperial peak was spent waging retarded religious/dynastic wars that didn't benefit Spaniards in the slightest.
>All these nafris posting under euro flags ITT
>>217838968This looks more muslim, not just southern european tbqh.
>>217846443I'm not impressed, so clearly not.
>>217848253Germanics kinda ruin whatever they touch.
>>217848644Al Andalus threads are mostly populated by latinos that are obsessed with Spain, delusional wewuzzing muslims, and your occasional leftist contrarian that is willing to pretend it was the peak of civilization just to shit on le white people.
>>217845486Chartres cathedral?
>>217844519Neither arabia nor persia are mediterranean. It's over a thousand kilometers to the Mediterranean from mecca, fucking sweden is closer to the med
>>217838968>thread #34423867095934 of meds purposefully mistaking higher population density and easier climate as intellectual superiority
>>217849175You are not white, Luigi Morrone. Specifically you did not : - Explain without seething in what ways borgiaslop is any different from today's oil sheiks' vanity projects- Refute the argument that shitalia has had no influence on global arts after the end of neoclassicism, and gave way to the Nords (Germans, if you prefer) you seethe about so much for a reason (which was the OP of your pathetic thread btw)- Understand that baroque was regarded as a steaming pile of garish nigger trash in its times and still should be. Alas, your tiny, overly chauvinistic brain cannot understand this- Accept that neoclassicism was an entirely French movement - Accept that many churches in shitsilia are similar in style to the Alhambra, and that the Arabs have had a notable influence on the southern fecalian culture (as well as giving birth to moor turds like you, kek !)- Accept that white people (which you aren't, but I repeat myself) might not like the nigger-like, garish displays you are so fond of. You are the stereotypical nigger that cannot appreciate the superior, yet understated techniques of impressionism because it's not monumental or flashy enough for your limited intellect - Accept that most of your well-known artists have worked extensively for France and have given us their masterpieces for free (yes, shitalia was and still is that fucking bad)
>>217850144>Accept that many churches in shitsilia are similar in style to the AlhambraBased more on byzantine architecture and ravenna
>>217850144Denounce muhammad as a pedophile and false prophet and post a picture of him
>>217850714>ur brown saar!! denounce muhammad saaaarrr!!You italian niggers are pathetic. Even after getting thoroughly btfo'd, you still have the gall to speak up and parade your misplaced pride, much like your sorry excuse of an army and their ridiculous feathers, all the while a whole city's worth of niggers is landing every single day in Lampedusa.
>>217850144>If I collect my retarded off-topic points in a thousand-word shitty long gish gallop maybe I'll look less moronicLook here, I've been clear when explaining myself to you, but you're a barely sentient, drooling low IQ monkey that keeps typing the same thing over and over again like an automaton. I don't care about your weird fixation with baroque and neoclassical, which should be obvious since I've mentioned different styles. The issue with muslim interiors is the lack of figurative arts, which has nothing to do with the time those buildings were built, since their aniconism is based on sharia. You are also rather ignorant since you say shit like "the Alhambra was built in the Thirtheenth century, when churches looked like piles of stone", when plenty of cathedrals in Europe began construction in the middle ages and at times were even completed before the end of the Thirteenth century (Chartres).>>217851144Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>217850144https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_looting_of_artlol shut up retard. muh empereur loved italian art so much he had to steal it
>>217851213Kek! Good job parroting the only movements you have learnt in school, that is gothic (yet again a French movement you useless niggers could only copy like chinks, and later buy, but only for the exclusive enjoyement of your noble class because your "country" was essentially an oligarchy) that we perfected centuries before you even could dream of it, and roman (same pattern, invented in France, then stolen by you monkeys), and somehow "renaissance", as if it were an artistic movement. Compare the Alhambra to any roman church and tell me which is obviously more refined for the time, and in which there is (or isn't) any piece of figurative art.>>217851418Since he was shitalian himself, that wouldn't be stealing now wouldn't it ? Zitto, animale
>>217842727so your critique is that interiors are lacking? so baroque style is awesome? minimalism is trash? stop trying to objectify your personal taste Giuseppe
I was in Hagia sophia and the blue mosque and despite the BM being derivate of HS, HS being derelict, and half the volume being at that time filled with scaffolding, HS still absolutely mogged the shit out of the blue mosque.
>>217851986>>217851857Condemn the false prophet muhammed as burning in fermented piss in hell or admit that you are an inbred arab retard
>>217849175How the fuck do you know it so well? Isn't 4chan anonymous, Anon?
>>217852100Yeah buddy, unfortunately that's hate speech and we don't allow this kind of talk here at /int/ so this will be a 3 day ban
>>217851144>No denouncing
>>217843305based
>>217851857>spastic mongoloid keeps trying to astroturf a france vs italy argument when the original disagreement was about the lack of figurative elements in muslim artdo you have some sort of humiliation fetish besides being generally retarded?
