why did americans stop liking those long cars you used to see in movies?
their corporate masters decided that the american needs le "sports utility vehicle" slop (slightly more metal for a much higher price)
>>217858347They got killed by Japanese cars during the 1970s oil crisis. Modern larp trucks and the outrageous SUVs have grown out to the same length, they just don't look it since they are also three metres tall.
>>217858347Enviromentalists. This >>217858402 is partially true, but the "corporate masters" in question were the greens who wanted everyone to stop driving big cars like station wagons so they made them illegal as they weren't fuel efficient. However, trucks and SUVs weren't affected, so everyone just bought those instead.
>>217858416Japan killed the american soulOnce again japon es cagada but /int/ refuses to listen
>>217858416This isn't true. The death of the station wagon occurred during the late 80's and early 90's, the oil crisis was a nothing burger at least as far as the car industry was concerned.
>>217858430>However, trucks and SUVs weren't affected,why? doesn't make sense
>>217858347Pickup truck manufacturers figured out that they could expand their customer base by marketing the pickup as a lifestyle, not just a work vehicle. It worked, but all of the big trucks made people feel unsafe driving normal-size cars. Car manufacturers began to roll out higher-sitting SUVs and crossovers, which have largely supplanted the traditional car body styles. Other factors are the ageing population and rising obesity rate. It's easier to get in and out of an upright seat.
>>217858430indeed, the corporate masters found the loophole they could exploit for CAFE. since then it's station wagons but with higher center of gravity i.e. physically inherently worse as cars
>>217858453Different classes of cars.>sedans (station wagons fall into this category)>SUV (sports utility vehicle, jeeps and such)>truck (it's a truck, for work and stuff)Cars now are grossly misused and it's entirely because of fuel efficiency nonsense. People just want a roomy car they can load groceries into.>>217858478It's not a "loophole" unless you want to ban trucks.
>>217858347SUV, obviously, due to lower gas
>>217858484>SUV (sports utility vehiclewait really? lmaoi knew the pick-up trucks were misused but never even know about SUVs
>>217858484exactly. trucks are commercial vehicles after all, right? so certainly it should stand to reason they should have less ambitious emissions goals? you wouldn't want to kill american business, would you goy- senator?
Wagons were more soulfull than EVs
>>217858437Hi
>>217858524Okay, what "emission standards" should they be? Physically impossible ones? Should we make them out of aluminum so every crash is fatal too? That's what happened to sedans.>>217858522Pretty much every family drives an SUV now. Nobody wants to cram a family of four into a tiny shitbox.
>>217858556>Okay, what "emission standards" should they be?good question, but either way it's well known that CAFE heavily favors larger vehicles for "no reason at all". also consider using less "quotation marks", it makes you come across as passive-aggressive>Should we make them out of aluminum so every crash is fatal too? That's what happened to sedans.sedans or what's left of them aren't especially made out of aluminum
>>217858347Their cars are bigger than ever though?
>>217858416Bruh what? Station wagons weren't popular until the 70s and reached peka in the 80s and 90s. Stop talking out of your ass.
Deep down, everyone wants to drive a sports car.
they effectively made small cars impossible to manufacture for a profit.
>>217858683Uncomfy and cramped. No thanks. Gimme the merc that will accelerate 60-150 without making a fuss or feeling "exciting"
They still make station wagons, they just call them "crossovers" for some reason
What if you ban all trucks for personal / lifestyle use? Will the station wagon or sedan come back to life?
>>217858484i get confused when americans say truck meaning a normal car with a tray
>>217858430Negro there was literally a fuel crisis in the 70s
>>217858453Most countries automobile pollution regulation makes a distinction between a personal car and a goods carrying vehicle because due to obvious difference in size and weight subjecting them to the same fuel economy and tailpipe emission standards is impossible.Within the EU everything below 3500kg is a car, everything above 3500kg is a goods carrying vehicle (truck) and everything with more than 9 seats is a bus making an implementation of dual standards quite easy, especially since even prior to emission standards a "truck" had other requirements like an obligatory tachograph and different licensing requirements.A Toyota Hilux, Mercedes Sprinter or a Ford F-150 within the EU is a car but in the US all three are trucks. American regulations are older and thus much more poorly defined because all a vehicle has to do to quality as a light-duty truck and be held to much less stringent emission standards is like check a few boxes on a list of completely arbitrary features with vague definition.Auto manufacturers present in the US have used this loophole for decades and steered the consumer preferences towards vehicles that classify as Light Trucks so they can spend less money on development and push bigger horsepower numbers which sell in North America.
>>217858347they're annoying to drive and don't meet fuel standards but SUVs don't have to meet those standards>>217858402it's because SUVs don't need to meet the same emissions standards
>>217858683i don't think most people care about cars enough for that. functionality is the main thing. even roomy sedans are pretty shit regarding space.
>>217858657we stopped specifically making station wagons because they don't comply with emissions laws but SUVs have lower standards so everyone who would have bought a station wagon bought an SUV
>>217858683I have a 2009 imprezza sedan and I'll drive it until the wheels fall off >>217858711>buying a yuroshit car
>>217858744idk if they can make them with the emissions shit
>>217858893as a japanese car owner I can respect it but an impreza sedan isn't a sports car and you'd probably prefer to drive a lamborghini if its maintenance expenses weren't a problem
>>217858711That is the role of Japanese cars.
>>217858992I refuse to drive a car that isn't 4 wheel or all wheel drive. plus a lamborghini doesn't have trunk room for gunsplus it's made in yurop so it's garbage
They turned them into minivans and then after about 20 years of those they turned the minivans into crossovers. They are all basically the same vehicle just with different heights.
>>217859008I understand where you're coming from... but I suspect you would. germans especially still are the best in the world at making chassis. I could definitely feel the downgrade from a german car to a japanese one in that department
>>217859068I don't buy yuro trash. made in the USA or japan for me
why we KILLED this
>>217859103I'd love a real american muscle car but alas they went for the F-150 slop. ameritrash, if you will. american cars used to have honest and straightforward engineering, even if it was in exchange for the worst chassis. japanese I feel are somewhere inbetween american and european cars in this respect
>>217859138>this
>>217859103Europe used to make great cars. Turbo volvos, Saabs, off road volkswagon beetles, .
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>>217859008Too bad new Subarus are all automatic here, do you still have stick as an option there?>>217859008
>>217858628>CAFE heavily favors larger vehicles for "no reason at all"It doesn't "favor them", it can't apply to them because in order to apply it'd mean SUVs and trucks would have to be made out of tissue paper. They wouldn't exist at all, just like the station wagon.And I can use quotation marks when I am quoting you, that's what they're for.>sedans or what's left of them aren't especially made out of aluminumThey actually are and it's half of why car accidents result in fatalities.>>217858836And it didn't stop people from buying cars.
