Learning russian ruined my life

>>218143993
Zari, mia amata...

There is Learning Spanish general already. I'm currently considering learning Spanish instead of Italian as a side-study but i'm not sure

Learning Russian saved my life

Learning Urdu saved my life.

>>218144318
I just started

Finished Better Call Saul in Spanish, probably gonna watch LOTR + The Hobbit trilogies next since I already have them downloaded.

I tried to dabble in French with Duolingo just to see how it is and got filtered by pronunciation.

learning norwegian changed my life in almost no way, i am indifferent to my decision

>>218145104
Does Duolingo even have notes on how to pronounce things? You probably just need to look at one of the free text books to get a proper explanation on pronunciation.

Not learning Basque has saved me a lot of time that I could invest in better, much more relevant languages.

>>218145662
Nah I just tried to repeat whatever they said.
If I decide to pick it up I might just try the input approach + Anki and not focus that much on talking for a couple of hundred of hours.

Why is /lang/ so dead?

Learning German changed my life in somewhat ambiguous ways that I don't understand entirely.

>>218148560
The jordie has shown us that language learning is a waste of time.

is comprehensive input the laziest way to learn a language? how much of it should I do per day?

>>218148910
As much as you can. Even if you want to follow a "traditional" studying method (grammar drills, vocab flashcards), immersion/input should be a priority IMO.

>>218145688
>german
>relevant

Thinking of switching my TL to Spanish now that Puerto Rico is no longer the only Spanish-speaking US territory

>>218149864
One of the most important language to learn after English

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>>218151431
good one polebro

>>218148910
>laziest
no, it requires actively listening to a lot of mind-numbingly boring content to do it correctly.

>>218151431
nigga...

>>218143993
Everyone I see "using Duolingo to learn ___ " doesn't seem to have a clue how to speak the language. It's a fun game but it seems thoroughly shit for real language learning.

>>218144402
It's dead already :(

Learning Basque saved my life.

>>218155112
Shame on you for trying to divide the great general that /lang/ is. Make a challenge and your name will be cleared.

>>218155137
Did you actually learn Basque though

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>>218155274
Challenge - translate the following phrases into your study language:

>happy new year
>2026 (in written form)
>learning this language saved my life

Spanish TL Anons: Any grammar practice textbooks you've used or recommend?

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>>218155307
im trying

>>218143993
tryna learn serbocroatian better. i know a lot of it cause im croach, but actually speaking it is hard, and it seems like no matter how much time i put into it, i am at the same level when speaking (situations i am in often cause my wife/ex wife is serbian, her senpai speaks it, my relatives speak it etc). fuck idk if im gonna continue this year, disheartening

gram w polrim

Ikasiak nire bizia hondatu zuen

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do black people still speak broken english?

Is there any good Portuguese content?

>>218158984
>LTG
>broken English
you wish you spoke as eloquently as him
https://youtu.be/R2r_LF25jfM

>read serious literary fiction for 3 hours in my TL daily
>feel guilty about not reading more
I know this is completely retarded, but I really do feel bad about it, because I'm in a winter break from my postgrad and it's finishing next week, so I won't have time to read this much soon.

>>218159426
are you by any chance basque

>>218143993
Where do I get started on Latin? Every online course seems fishy or poorly made.

>>218159807
you've got a few ways of doing it, lots really but you'll probably hear the following quite a bit, LLPSI (the 1st book) and it's accompanying materials with a grammar book of your choosing, like wheelock. you could also go the cambridge latin course route which is more self contained from what i hear. i've only experience with the former route. /clg/ has links for latin resources, assuming you don't mind digital.

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>>218159807
Maybe this chart can help you.

Crazy how many vibe-coded language learning app are doing the rounds nowadays.

>>218160384
apps*. I was looking up resources for my new TL and it's a total shitshow

>>218160428
what's your new TL?

>>218160458
Mandarin

>>218160488
There's a shit ton of resources for mandarin thoughever, why would you even use an app

>>218160526
I wasn't looking for apps, got them as "recommendations" (ads in disguise) while looking up resources

>>218159807
everyone recommends Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata, it uses the method of 100% Latin reading, starting very simple and growing more complex

if you want audio content, this channel has good CI playlists
https://www.youtube.com/@FoundinAntiquity/playlists

and this is a slowly spoken podcast
https://www.youtube.com/@SaturaLanx/videos

>read at a normal pace
>general comprehension improves, vocabulary declines
>read slow and deliberate
>vocabulary improves, reading comprehension declines
i am in hell

Who's learning Russian with me?

>>218160263
this chart was not helpful in my acquisition of basque language

Orriak gorroto ditut

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>>218162388
Yeah, no shit.

>>218162477
ur using google translate

>>218162496
so when are you making the basque chart

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>>218162670
>How to REALLY learn Basque in 2026

>>218162739
fake

>>218162649
lol

>>218144318
Я нигp

I feel like I’ve hit the point in one of my TLs where drilling isn’t doing much. Reviewing key grammar concepts as needed is worthwhile, but I feel like I’ve hit the point where input is the only real way to get better. Is this the normal progression in language learning? I guess I still need a way to work on output though, but drilling the same stuff over and over feels like spinning my wheels in the mud.

>>218163078
obviously
you should be glad you're done with the rote exercises and can start diving into the actual culture of the language, it's the most rewarding part of learning

>>218151431
wahr

>>218163136
i know there are a lot of italians in germany, how is it the other way around? i know that german boomers, with that "grass is greener" mentality, love warm places, i.e. the mediterranean countries, so i could imagine there are quite some over there (though spain is the more obvious destination). always wondered this, because practically every small town in germany has at least one italian restaurant where everybody only speaks the bare minimum of german. (though i imagine german food might not be very popular in italy, so maybe it's not like that there)

>>218164176
obviously far from an expert over here but there is quite a bit of cultural overlap in northern italy isn't there? see jannik sinner, iiirc his first language is german

>>218163078
What lang

Is there evidence to the idea that Alexander Arguelles talked about a benchmark for polyglots which was that they should learn a classical langauge, a major living language within their cultural sphere, the international language and an language from a culture that is very different from yours and from a different language family? i read about it from a chat gpt prompt and i wanted to know what you think of it.

I think learning ancient Greek, Latin or Sanskrit is rare even inside of language learning communities and many people never learn languages outside of the Indo-European family, im not criticizing these people, i just wanted to see what you think, particularly about learning dead languages and if its something you would do.

>>218164940
Anon the only languages worth learning are
>English
>Chinese
>Spanish
>Arabic
>Russian

>>218165007
Japanese has had a larger cultural output than Spanish, Arabic, Russian and Mandarin put together from 1945 onward

>>218165049
>dude anime
My neighbors don't speak Japanese though do they?

>>218164940
>a classical langauge
In other words, a dead language?
Why would anyone who isn't significantly religious or interested in ancient literature want to do that? Did Arguelles really say that?

>>218165076
Mine do lol

after a grueling session I finally cleared my bloated anki after the holiday slump
we're back for 2026

>>218165049
you are an incurious pleb

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Are there examples of people who learned Japanese and Mandarin to a high level both as second languages or is that just a delusional hope/goal to have? clearly there are some japanophile autists and some people who appear to have learned chinese to a high level with a good accent, but has any high profile person done both or is it just 'polyglot' frauds on youtube.

The other day this video appeared in my feed about a man who 'speaks 32 languages'. Who believes ts? https://youtu.be/z8iKZEra5I0?si=apasA038DzNIRQJW

>>218165122
If you bother to try hard enough you can learn any language to basically a native level
It just takes forever and isn't very practical

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>>218165117
Im not, i totally see why someone would want to read Gogol or Doestoevsky in the original language i just think you need to balance language learning and technical skills, i think having other hobbies is important
>>218165076
Its not just anime and i excuse myself in advance because i think the pic quality will be bad

>>218165076
>My neighbors
what a valid argument

>>218165122
In the comments, they're saying his spanish was good but his dutch, chinese, french etc. were p bad and that's from just a few sentences he probably memorized and practiced in isolation.

>>218164940
he talks about that in this video. he doesn't say people "should" do it though, he just gives it as an idea, based on some arguments for 5-6 languages being a solid number to learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s50CRDTwP-8
keep in mind many of his videos are aimed at people who are basically autistic about learning many languages just for the sake of it (like himself)

>>218165223
I don't think I've ever actually heard Japanese spoken IRL
I hear Spanish every damn day

>>218165122
>Are there examples of people who learned Japanese and Mandarin to a high level both as second languages
I imagine there are thousands of people like this who are diplomats and the like, or who work as tour guides, but just as a hobby? I doubt it.
Probably a good chunk of people too who have a wife in one of said countries and decided to learn the other one just as the next language and a vacation country.
>Is it just polyglot frauds on youtube?
Mostly this because you're talking about something with an extremely high skill requirement so most people will be frauds faking it, it takes a highly dedicated person to do something like this - abnormal circumstances usually.

>>218165049
>put together
let's not be retarded, I could grant the argument for any one of those languages vs japanese alone but combined it's no contest. fwiw I really like JP film and related art especially w/r/t horror but come on, I think even english would be tough to argue for vs all of those massively-represented languages *combined*

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>>218165239
Even if Japanese speakers are concentrated in the island of Japan, they are smarter, more civilized and they have a greater cultural output, plus you would unlock 3 new writing systems.

Hiragana and Katakana are really pretty, plus Japan has car companies and tech companies like nintendo, as i said videogames and movies, in case youre not into anime.

There is a lot to be learned from Japanese culture, not so much from latino culture i think.

>>218165239
you still don't get it. funny.
american mindset o algo

>>218165310
>muh Americans
My ancestors decided Poland sucked so they moved here lmao

>>218165361
Well Poland used to be poor due to communism but now its a high income economy with universal healthcare and yeah prejudice towards Americans is still something i disagree with, particularly because many people try to portray a pragmatic choice as something they did out of virtue.

They speak English because they were forced to learn it, but they act as if Americans are ignorant for not attempting to learn a second language even though its unpractical and many ESLs never learn a language after English, proving they have the same attitude of having little curiosity in foreign cultures and that they are only making pragmatic choices.

They also try to act like they are smart for learning a language with a high degree of similarity to theirs even though 90% of them would not know or could not learn another language from scratch.

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>>218164542
i know that tyrol is pretty unique and country borders don't matter much there, tyrol is tyrol, besides that, idk. there is an italian part of switzerland, so obviously there is overlap there, but i kind of doubt that austria, besides tyrol, has that much to do or in common with italy culturally. just wondered if there is noticeable immigration. looking at the numbers on wikipedia, there are some 36k germans in italy, but, get this, 644k italians in germany.
i guess that kind of answers it. i am kind of surprised at the numbers but also not really. i didn't expect they make up such a substantial part of our demographics.
also wondering what compells these italians to come here. their economic prosperity can hardly be much worse, and culturally, i doubt they care for us. in my head it makes more sense for a german to move to italy than the other way around...

>>218165467
TRVTH NVKE

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AUGUST FICK

bump and checking this get
>>218166666

>>218165467
you're digging too deep. i found it funny that for this american the list of the most useful languages to learn (in response to an Italian anon) is justified by the argument that it is good because it is the language he can use to communicate with his neighbors, living in the USA

>>218166825
Anon those 5 languages are useful in multiple countries throughout the world
And yes Spanish is useful to talk to my idiot neighbors who can barely speak English

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The Korean script is more beautiful and the language doesnt sound ridiculous, i cant believe this is the Chinese century and we all have to learn Chinese.

>>218167205
If they are too stupid to learn Englisht they are not worth investing time in. They will face less pressure to learn English if you speak to them in Spanish.

Is there even a point in learning French? France is gonna turn into Islamabad pretty soon in the not-too-distant future.

>>218167300
They're never gonna learn English

>>218144318
>>218144413
>>218161133
Why would you learn it? Why not Spanish, Mandarin or Arabic? Just any relevant language?

>>218167361
Yes you can read French literature in the original language

I really want to start learning another language but idk if I can make enough progress studying for only 40 minutes a day with it
Goddamn it I wish I could stop being a stupid language learning addict

are there any good resources for learning sound correspondences between romance languages? It'd be nice to be able to predict the sound of a word in Portuguese based off knowing it in French. Obviously wouldn't work all the time, but could help in convos where I'm struggling to think of a certain word

>>218168517
Man Portuguese Spanish and Italian are all super similar anyway
Do you really need a method to know the same words?
French and Romanian are weird, just ignore em

I've been learning Japanese ever since I lived in Japan (don't live there anymore), and I'm considering learning Spanish. Any recommendations for podcasts in either language with a "Joe Rogan" format, as in host-guest casual interviews and a question-answer-reaction pattern? I think that style is super helpful for learning conversation

>>218159807
>Where do I get started on Latin?
Obviously Duolingo.

>>218167361
I don't understand. Germany probably has more Muslims than France, Russia is clearly a multicultural country, but only France is mentioned in this context. Nobody says that it's a lame to learn German or Russian because Syrians or Chechens speak in those languages. Nobody complains about learning English because of Africa or India speaking it, but suddenly Francophone Africa and a bit of the Middle East give you the ick

should i learn farsi in preparation for a potential collapse of the regime?

>>218167361
Tu peux venir au Québec. Montréal est très jolie et il y a beaucoup de blancs ici.

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>>218164940
Everyone who is serious about world literature and philology ought to learn these languages, but for normies and normie polyglots who like traveling and speaking to people it makes no sense (and Arguelles says this).
The 6 language benchmark is also the point where you've mastered the process of learning languages, where learning languages is no longer a challenge for you. I've learned 6+ languages following his advice for years and now Chinese, Arabic, Russian are not at all intimidating

I generated a picture of a german vtuber with goon captions in german. Does it count as CI?

>>218173114
Post them somewhere to get Native feedback, and then sure.

>>218167972
They're gay and slavic languages have more per capita femboys

>>218169140
The Wild Project
David Jimenez
Both can be found on YouTube

Another day of learning Spanish-French
>>218173016
>Chinese, Arabic, Russian
why bother? Danish has more viable content than all of these

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>>218164940
Depends how much you care about the "polyglot" label. My thought process is that I want to know in order:
>English
(native language and most useful global language)

>Japanese
(Already N3. completely foreign language that I'm interested in with lots of media. Economic power. 2nd most important in Asia)

>French
(2nd most global language. One of the most spoken globally. One of the main powers in Europe. Lots of media, including old literature. Women find it sexy and refined. Useful for travel. Similar to English and makes you a better English speaker)

>Spanish
(2nd most useful language in the US. Should be pretty easy after learning French. Useful for travel and maybe impressing hot latinas. Moderate amount of quality media)

If I manage to learn all of those and am not tired of learning languages, then maybe I'll consider:
>German
>Russian (sounds cool, lots of speakers, want to understand Soviet media)
>Polish (Poland seems nice to visit. And I love Polish food. My part of the US had some Polish immigrants long ago)
>Latin/Ancient Greek
>Chinese

>>218167972
I am learning Spanish too. I just wanted to add a new language to dabble in and decided on Russian since I've taken it before.

>>218167300
No we don't. You'll be old af when Chinese becomes that relevant (if it ever will).

>>218174372
It's already relevant lol

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>>218167972
Хoчy пpoизвeдeния Дocтoeвcкoгo и Toлcтoгo пo-pyccки читaть.
>>218174243
Self-hating brownoid detected

>>218174262
>French
>Women find it sexy and refined
Grim

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>shiet man why you learn dis language
>dis language not useful saar
>learn useful language saar
This is such a brownoid, thirdie mindset. Only poor people think language learning must be useful and practical.

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>>218175271
When you were born a monolingual Angloid like myself, all languages are useless.
You should always learn for yourself and because its fun.
Yippee!

>>218167361
most western european languages are practically dead with no good output and in the process of being rapidly bastardised by sandnigger nonsense. But they arr sound the same so it should take you like 6 months to learn it if you aren't literally retarded/incompetent

>>218164679
Italian

>>218175271
What if I'm poor?
>>218151558
>>218153423
Well, it is. French and German are two the most important languages to learn after English in Europe and around the Europe. Plus, both are more difficult versions of smaller languages from their language groups with much more content to consume and learn from, e.g., Italian, Swedish
>>218163136
>>218165621
I think that historically Italy had a much greater influence on Austria. In the old days, many artists and specialists would travel to Austria or France to pursue a more successful career than they could have had in their city-states

>>218175947
Counter point though is that French is gay but Italian is peak. So why would you learn gay over peak?

>>218175399
This. Learning another language is merely entertainment for EFLs.

>>218175947
Look, I see you constantly going back and forth in your posts about learning French or Italian or German or whatever. Listen Polebro, I think you need to forget all that nonsense and just commit to learning Scottish Gaelic with me.

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The Duolingo girls are such QT's!

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>>218178155

gooner general

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>>218143993
French speakers, do I really have to memorise the imperative form of each verb or is their a rule for determining whether the imperative form of a verb has an 's', like 'Mets', or not, like 'Essaie'.

>>218179280
Yes. If you do not learn it the French will not acknowledge you as a person.

>>218179188
I goon therefore I learn

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>watching Pingu in my tl
>am now fluent
input learning really works, damn

>>218179280
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:French_verbs

>>218167972
So tiring... No one fucking asked your opinion on learning Russian. Imagine stopping learning a language because some self-hating loser on the internet said so.

>>218181352
Ah yeah? speak to me in pingu then

>>218181763
Pingu speaks in different languages depending on the dub, tard

>>218181763
noot noot

>>218181808
just say that you are not fluent

>>218169140
Roberto Mtz is probably the podcast with the highest subscriber count in México, he interviews actors, comedians, business figures, UFC fighters

https://youtu.be/5_HUisrV1oY?si=Isp2XJdg2m0Lw1kh

With the occassional travel blog. I would say he's an americanophile to a higher degree than most people.

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>>218172436
Ok but Russia is not comparable to the other case studies, chechens and tatars live in their ancestral land and they have also sought independence from Russia. Russia degrades them and hates them but wants to keep their territory annexed. Russia does have a little over 10 million immigrants, but chechens and tatars are not immigrant groups

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Challenge, write an ethno-geo-political analysis of the country of choice of your TL.
Format: See above

>>218176204
There's a variation of that idea across every language, just in /lang/ You will find native speakers recommending you not to learn Spanish, Russian, Arabic

>>218182557
The only two Poles who have ever insisted on speaking English instead of Polish with me said that they think in English every day and feel more comfortable/fluent in English. They probably weren't lying. I thought it was sad actually.

>>218182557
>There's a variation of that idea across every language
Never English. We do not give a shit how bad you are.
This is why English is the best language. Thanks for learning it everyone <3

No one was ever offended at any stage in my Polish learning by my proficiency or lackthereof. The first time I spoke irl was quite bad but the old man was quite patient and encouraging.

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>>218181763
noot noot, nigga

>>218182729
noot bruv
noot down yeah
noot think noot the bad man cu noot noot for snow instead of sorting noot your igloo problem
noot it bruv

I'm studying Thai but sometimes I have a nagging feeling that it would be better to learn Japanese instead.

half of us here are automatically offended by your flag

mad how so many langers are crippled by indecision due to false ideas about practicality
literally just learn the thing you want, even if it's some language with 5 speakers in a cave somewhere, or a since long extinct one
or dabble in a thousand langs if you so wish
this isn't a business venture or career investment, but a H-O-B-B-Y

>>218182871
meant for the leaf

>>218182669
*unlearns English*

>>218183148
You would never! >:(

>>218176414
Wrong. I'm just participating in the discussion. I have my TL and I'm sticking to it as a New Year's resolution.
>>218182310
These territories were conquered and incorporated into the empire, just as Algeria and Tunisia were incorporated into the French Empire.
>>218182669
I disagree. We even subconsciously judge others by how they speak, and we have specific sets of stereotypes and varying tolerances for linguistic errors.

>>218183310
Vad säger han? Begriper inte ett ord.

>>218182935
It's like 99% a fun hobby with 1% chance of it opening some doors for your career and/or finding TL friends/partner. Language choice is mostly down to personal taste, but there are "tiers" and some languages are just more worthwhile in my opinion because they have more content, more resources, more opportunity to do something fun with it. In theory you could have fun with some meme dogshit like Basque but you'd really have to go out of your way to find enough compelling content to keep you going beyond the beginner stage.

I finally have time off and I'm going to start studying Russian
Dobri djenny

>>218182935
>literally just learn the thing you want, even if it's some language with 5 speakers in a cave somewhere, or a since long extinct one
>or dabble in a thousand langs if you so wish
Well shit, now I'm choosing between thousands of langs instead of just 3-4.

>>218183639
Is Russian a meme lang?

Are there any cognates between Chinese and Japanese since they use the same writing system?

>>218183639
>in my opinion
and that is your motivation, and not someone else's pragmatic ideas
see what I mean?

>>218184009
based

I don't see much point in studying a language considering I won't use it to meet girls. The only media I would consume thats in another language as well would just be japanese stuff

>>218184106
Oh man

>>218184052
Not at all. Tons of content in terms of literature, movies, series, Internet forums etc. It's just category IV so it takes longer to learn.

>>218184146
then language learning isn't for you
you only want to acquire a skill to use it as a gateway to achieve something completely fucking unrelated, which is retarded
you don't learn an instrument to impress a chick; you learn an instrument for your love of music and own desire to play said instrument

Most of what I do at work is sit there and do nothing
If I lock in and study 8 hours a day how much progress will I make in Japanese in a year?

The only reason to learn a language is to prove your favstian spirit. You do it because you can.

>>218184506
that depends on you
no one can answer that questions for you

If you don't always take the action that maximizes utility, then what kind of rational agent are you? You should always learn the language that will give you the highest utility, while using the method with the least cost.

>>218184789
>highest utility
But I already speak English

>>218184052
Every language other than English is a memelang
>>218184829
There you go, some of us are simply more blessed than others.

>>218184506
I have been learning Japanese for almost exactly a year. I'm probably right on the line between N4 and N3. I can struggle through easier light novels and manga, and I can watch a few of these easiest anime with Japanese subs. I didn't study 8 hours a day though lol. I did about 1-2 hours of deliberate study a day on top of whatever anime I normally watch.

>>218184789
Posting here has zero utility to anyone. The fact you chose to make this post rather than maximize your utility by doing anything else, like improve in your TL, betrays what kind of rational actor you are.

>>218167972
I might wanna learn it so I can talk to people on DC++ hubs but fuck it's probably gonna be a bit hard.

>>218183639
>some languages are just more worthwhile in my opinion because they have more content, more resources, more opportunity to do something fun with it
Honestly any language over a million speakers has enough content that you'll never run out of enjoyable content to consume, especially languages that are institutionalized. Like I bet there is enough Estonian content that a learner will never run out of it.

>>218182935
Pretty much this >>218184009
And the arguments about money are not mentioned so often, much more often the number of native speakers, distance, or amount of content. Or level of gayness of a language. But still, it would be nice to do SOMETHING with this language, e.g. working in your TL's country or having professional contact with people who speak this language
>>218176059
Idk, both are a bit effeminate, especially amongst younger generation. Italian sounds a bit more like complaining, French sounds more like sulking but both gives similar vibe overall

Is meditation a meme?
Matt vs Japan talks about it, and chatgpt says that it can help with language learning.
But I always thought it was just some yuppie meme.

>>218185713
In theory, if you're willing to read/watch anything, that's probably true. Estonian has 9 public IPTV channels and ~2k books on Anna's Archive. Probably enough inpoot to get you to fluency. But your standards would have to be zero, like shampoo bottle in your TL kind of stuff.

Compared to Spanish (1729 channels, ~2.6mil books), French (505 channels, ~2.5mil books), German (321 channels, ~2.4mil books) - it's clear that you have a lot more variety and options, which means higher chance of having fun.

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>>218186027
>matt vs japan
>chatgpt

>>218183639
the basque music scene is so fucking lit and there is also gamerauntsia

>>218186047
language is about real connections not consoomerism

>>218186135
consumerism is about real connections, therefore language learning is about consumerism

>>218186170
connections with human beings in real life you idiot

>>218176204
french learners is this true?

>>218186200
Human relations have in its origin a purely utilitarian motive. Where one agent seek to obtain an objective goal which would maximize his utility, therefore happiness. Consumerism replaces such an outdated concept with a proxy of material good. You can obtain and replace human "connections" through the buying and selling of services.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_center

have you visited the basque center in your country yet

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>>218155522
Any Spanish natives here want to give feedback?
Top is how Google Translate translated "learning this language saved my life."
Bottom is how I translated it.

How much does the bottom make sense? Is it good enough?

>>218186372
There's no Texas one. I'm anti-basque now.

>>218186803
Both are correct and can be used, but the top is more natural

>>218186803
Pro tip:
In English you use gerunds to transform a verb into a noun
>Learning languages is good for you

Every time you want to say something similiar in Spanish, just use the infinitive form

>Aprender idiomas es bueno para ti

>Smoking is bad for you
>Fumar es malo para ti

Now anon, write/say this in Spanish:

>Having sex is good for you.

Take the audiobook pill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHzURgKiwIc

>>218187073
I will not watch your video

>>218187159
You think I'm Days And Words?

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>>218143993
How much harder is Spanish than Russian if you take the immersion approach? I got to B2 Russian (certified) after 1.5 years of Anki, LWT and Language Reactor and then just under a year of living in Almaty. How good could I get in Spanish if I take a similar approach within the span of 8-12 months? I want to play vlogger and go on a motorbike and fuck around villages for a few weeks with my ameribuxx

>>218187186
No

>>218184106
There are thousands of words that had their forms and readings loaned directly from Classical Chinese over the course of hundreds of years and also thousands of compounds that were derived in Japan that use Sino-Japanese readings, this is why kanji have kun'yomi (native japanese) and on'yomi (loaned chinese) readings
Nowadays the Mandarin and Japanese readings are mutually unintelligible because both languages have underwent significant sound changes since Middle Chinese and Middle Japanese
For example, MC 兄 xjwaeng was loaned as kwiyau since go'on loans rendered -eng as -u and [h] had to be substituted with [k] due to it not existing in the language at the time, then it turned into kyau after Middle Japanese lost /wi/ and finally became kyou in Modern Japanese, while in Mandarin it became xiong1
Chinese loans in Japanese are similar to the Latin/Romance loans in English, albeit the loans in English happened like 200-500 years later, in both cases the modern pronunciation became unrecognisable and only the definition/meaning remained intact
Also keep in mind that Japanese kanji underwent simplification independently of Chinese and some characters and terms fell into disuse in modern Chinese

>>218184146
>I don't see much point in studying a language considering I won't use it to meet girls
Language learning is a hobby that most girls claim is attractive in a man. You don't need to pick up a girl in your TL, but just doing it statistically increases your chances of finding a partner - even if by a minuscule amount lol.

>>218187598
When girls say they like a man who reads books, they mean they like a man who reads Harry Potter. When they say they like a man who learns languages, they mean they like a man who learns Spanish. There are maybe a total of 5 specific languages that they'll be okay with you learning. Anything else and you're entering incel territory.

>>218187684
>5 specific languages
Sumerian, Akkadian, Tupi, Xhosa, and Tok Pisin

leafs have been making good posts today
keep it up boys

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>>218143993
Just saving this based Chinese Tony Zhu, Tony from LC Sign, into the archives. I have learned Korean daily for almost 3 years and still can't understand anything else than 30% of the A0-A1 basic Youtube videos. Lesson: never give up and if you don't, you still wont learn it. Well, I keep going. See you next year.

>>218186981
thanks
>Having sex is good for you
>tener sexo es bien para ti (si tu eres una puta)
is there a difference between "slut" and "whore" in Spanish? I meant to say "(if you are a slut)" but is "puta" the only word for slut/whore or is there a difference in Spanish?

And what's the difference between "bien" and "bueno"? I used "bien" above but Google Translate told me to use "bueno." Is there a difference?

>>218188173
>She is not good for you
would it be
>ella es no buena para ti

>>218187876
I deleted my previous post I fucked up.

There are many depending on the region but generally:
zorra, perra, prostituta, vagabunda, teibolera, golfa, ramera, mujer de la calle, facilonga and many more

>difference between bueno and bien


Bien is an adverb (describes verbs) and tells you how you did/do some

>He sings well
El canta bien
>He plays well
>el juega bien

>Bueno

>Bueno is an adjective (modify nouns =name of stuff)

>He is a good man
El es un hombre bueno
>The sauce is good
La salsa es buena


>She is not good for you

Do this one

What are some interesting Russian textbooks/readers you've found?

>>218187237
wtf I didn't know the existence of language reactor where the fuck have I been all this time? and what the fuck is LWT? Holy shit

>>218188313
>Ella NO ES buena para ti

We use "no" before the verb"
>He is not good
El no es bueno

>The computer doesn't work
La computadora no funciona

Do this one:

I am not gay

>>218182800
I'm stuck between French and Japanese, and I can't let go of either
I figured I'd have to choose one cause no man can speak four languages well, and also I don't have much time, but I couldn't let go of Japanese and I would be very disappointed if I let go of french, so I will put in a good lot of french, then go for Japanese and probably be better at that

>>218144318

Kek

>>218188570

The Penguin one seems to work

>>218187684
Bullshit. Of course, if you learn languages that are associated with something positive in their eyes (sex, food, money) you gain extra points, but knowing some foreign language itself is a green flag. Just like playing the instrument. It shows that you have the intellectual and character abilities to learn something. And if you're handsome every ick hobby makes you quirky but hot guy anyway
>>218188609
Learn two at once, and then focus on the one that gives you more joy (you research things related to this language more often, read things about this country or from this country etc.)

>>218188589
me no gusta el pene

>>218188589
Are you the argentinian who hates argentina or a different one? How many of you are there? Also seems weirds theres never anyone from paraguay?

Not him but
>She is not good for you
Ella no es bueno para ti?

>>218189528
>Ella no es bueno
come on, man
bueno is masculine

>>218189475
Here is where things get weird.

"me" in this case is the indirect object, basically when you say " I like penis" in English, Penis is the indirect object and you are the direct object. In Spanish is the other way around

>No me gusta la salsa
We use "gusta" because this is in the third person. Keep this phrase in your mind because it's really common

>I don't like this restaurant
>No me gusta este restaurante
>I don't like faggots
>No me gustan los gays/homosexuales/maricas
(here you have to make it plural - gustan - because you are using nouns in the plural form)

Do this one:
I don't like this house

>>218189528
I don't know those, and I haven't met any Paraguayan in my life lmao
>also
no es "BUENA" remember that it has match the genre, in this case the feminine one (ella/she)

>>218189602
kek
>genre (gender)
>has match (has to match)
sorry for being drunk lmao I love you guys I think I gotta sleep

While inpoooting, should I watch media with TL subs or just go for it without the subs?

>>218189780
Watch without if you can

Any good learning aides for german grammar? I mostly get it but I feel like I would be getting much better practice if I the rules were laid out for me, I'm doing far too much guessing I've noticed

>>218189054
>but knowing some foreign language itself is a green flag
If you are a native speaker in that language, then yes. If you're learning it as a hobby, it's a red flag to women, unless it's a particularly popular language or one beloved by women (Spanish, French, English, maybe Italian? Maybe Korean for quirky girls?) Everything else gives the ick. Furthermore playing an instrument only counts if it's an acoustic/electric guitar, piano, maybe a standard set of drums? If you so much as touch a harp or accordion or an ethnic instrument you are doomed to virginity.

>>218189924
>maybe Italian?
I told a girl once that I was learning Italian. She outright laughed in my face and was confused why anyone would bother. I had a gf anyway so it didn’t crush me, but it still messed with me.

>>218189924
What about Polish?

>>218188589
>wtf I didn't know the existence of language reactor where the fuck have I been all this time? and what the fuck is LWT? Holy shit
Are you joking or being serious? This is my first time on /lang/ since 2023, back then if you weren't using those tools you were being made fun of. Seems like immersion theory has lost the status it used to have as by far the best method

>>218190107
Instant incel territory. They will think you're a staunch white nationalist who has delusions about Poland being LGBT-free and brown-free, and probably something something Danzig not Gdańsk (you would think this to be completely illogical, but women aren't that smart).

>>218190133
Where you been nigger?

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>>218190150
i been immersing and actually living in my TL country, nigger

>>218188868
I've tried it but it doesn't really have enough input for acquiring the grammar that's taught

>>218190183
>riding a fucking camel
badass detected

>>218190133
Nah input is still king and language reactor and lute are mentioned here often

I previously visited /lang/ sometime last year and back then comprehensible input was discouraged. or at least that's what it seemed like. what changed?

>>218190401
The /lang/ cycle of contrarianism
>idea/method is popular
>special snowflakes want to go against the grain
>it's suddenly unpopular
>it gains appeal to special snowflakes again

>>218190401
We are against all learning methods that go against our nature, which is gugugaga

>>218190401
Idk dude i been here for a year and a half maybe 2 years and CI has always been pushed hardest

>>218190401
I can't speak for others, but personally I hate fun and enjoyable things, and I want my hobbies to be as boring and tedious as possible

>>218189630
>>genre (gender)
these are doublets anyway
gender is a category, just like genre

>>218190401
it was a meme, a joke told on purpose to newcomers, that they started religiously believing in
it was honestly scary
but that's what we just joked about back in 2018, and then people started genuinely pushing that shit and then /lang/ has been nothing but shitflinging over methods since

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>>218190516
>gender is a category
Umm, not so fast

>>218190583
>Unadapted borrowing from French genre, from Old French gen(d)re, borrowed from Latin genere. Doublet of gender and genus.

I'm finally going to commit myself to Mandarin again, but my main issue every past time has been that I don't know any good Chinese media to engage in for immersion, anyone got some recs?

Are you still a polyglot if you understand multiple languages but you can't speak them? Is there another word for that?

>>218190401
People probably tried it and took it seriously and realized it's extremely effective.

Its time to lazily use Duolingo to try to learn Spanish again for the 1000th time
Maybe this time I'll try other methods too

>>218191519
Can you play Chinese mobile games like ZZZ and Honkai with their original Chinese dub?

>>218191519
How will you motivate yourself to do the massive amount of input required to learn Mandarin if you don't care about much or any of it?

>>218189924
I think that's only true if you're talking to a native English speaker

>>218192463
I already have a decent foundation of Chinese, I mainly want to put that knowledge to use

>>218192904
Sunk cost fallacy

>>218193342
Pretty much yeah but I'm not doing anything else with my time so
But I don't have a massive aversion to Chinese culture, I just don't know anything good that comes out of there, surely there's some decent media when you've got over a billion people
Whenever I try to google stuff I just get really tedious looking ripoff manga manhuas

I'm on day 140 streak for Spanish on Duolingo
I wasn't really sure about the concept but it literally works for me
it's just a few minutes every day but the conistency is what makes it i guess, i remember the words and can form a lot of sentences already

Kinda based considering it is free

>>218143993
hi, i want to learn swedish so that i can easily understand some of the bladee's songs. how can i learn swedish?

>>218194940
Just take the English word and make it sound gay and you got Swedish lol

Any good apps to meet tandem partners? how is tandem.net?

>>218195105
>language partners
just use iTalki, there women there that local and you can have sexoo as well

>>218194877
Duolingo is actually fantastic for Romance languages, that's basically what it was built around, repeating the conjugation rules and taking on vocab

>>218195293
>>218184146
talking to women is bad enough already, why would you want to do it in a language you can barely speak?
>muh sex
Just pay for a whore at that point

>>218195293
Nice

>>218195986
>iTalki
Ah, but this is more of a teacher-student thing? And you pay for a teacher? But I mean why not

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>>218187684
>There are maybe a total of 5 specific languages that they'll be okay with you learning. Anything else and you're entering incel territory.
If you learn Japanese, you are learning it because you're a manchild who has yellow fever. There is no other reason to learn it. Same with Thai, but you are likely into lady boys.
Its not the languages themselves that are the ick, its the assumed reason as to why you are learning it (which in the case of most Japanese and Thai learners for instance, is true).
Most girls won't assume the worst if you are learning any language other than Japanese or some gooner adjacent language.
If a girl finds out you're learning Mongolian or Swahili, they won't go ew. They will think its neat. Same with most of the worlds languages.

Which languages have the friendliest and most helpful native speakers?

>>218196867
Mongolian, but not in Inner Mongolia.

>>218194877
>Kinda based considering it is free
The new energy update bullshit allows you do like 2.5 lessons max and only if you make no mistakes

>>218182662
there were probably some faggots from warsaw, Am I right?

recommend me some German podcasts on native level

>>218197836
You can do a lot more if you are willing to watch ads. Still kinda dog shit for notes on some languages and drilling “The red dog eats” 1,000 times before you learn basic grammar.

>>218189780
Shit that's still hard - with subs, shit that's easy - without.

>>218189821
German grammar already gives you plenty of AIDS.

>>218190401
You probably visited on the one day everyone was shitting on the ALGzilian (or his successor). /lang/ is inpoot pilled, we don't even argue about whether it works, just whether you should start with reading or only do audio-visual content for the first 1000 hours so you don't damage your language acquisition device permanently.

>>218191683
If you can only understand, that means that each language only counts as 0.5, so instead of 3+ foreign languages you need 6+ to be considered a polyglot. In practice though, it's just about confidently proclaiming you are one because no one's gonna test you on it.

>>218198108
What topics are you into? On https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com/ you can filter by country and category and see what's popular.

>>218144779
Hey bro, wanna try learning russian with me?

>>218198698
Sure bro

>>218199097
my phone number +52 871-466-8916
text me on whatsapp, where are you learning russian bro?

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>>218189780
Use TL subs until you are good enough to understand without subs. Think of subtitles like training wheels.

>>218196405
Women are attracted to men who read books or learn languages because they think it makes the man seem sophisticated and worldly, especially if its a normie language they have positive associations with (French, Italian).

>gooner adjacent languages
This is why women are vain and you shouldn't listen to them.

>>218199878
When watching movies or series in English I have to use subtitles or turn the volume up very high to be able to understand anything.

I don't know if I should learn my third language using English or my native language, which one is the most healthiest way?

>>218151431
when i speak to germans they all know english anyway

>>218196405
i'm learning japanese and i don't even watch anime but unfortunately you are right

>>218186337
depends on where you go
Parisians are cunts to everyone, they're the equivalent of New Yorkers or Londoners.
Medium cities like Rennes are much nicer to visit and you'll get to use the language as long as you can show you understand the people there.

>>218198563
>#12 most popular podcast in France is "Quran reading"
France is getting harder and harder for me to defend lol

>>218200514
>#12 most popular podcast in France is "Quran reading"
>it's real
how its even possible, there are none in the italian chart, it almost looks like a meme

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I refuse to learn french.
It’s a shit language

Question :
Which Uralic or finno ugric language makes sense to learn, honestly ? Hungarian, Finnish ? Well Hungarian doesn’t have two separate languages but it’s still wild.

I can't speak English good. I don't know what to do. Yes, I can write some texts, messages, posts etc. but it's not enough.
Ok. I'm not going to waste your time and I'll make a list of problems.
>very simple texts
>poor lexicon
>my speeches are awkward (khello, hello my friends. What do you do?)
>awful grammar (them instead of they(yes, there can be found an excuse that natives can do it but it doesn't work here))

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>>218200954
Just read more and watch movies/series while imitating the characters.

I’m pretty fluent in my TL, but I still have a noticeable accent. Is it too late for me to sound more native?

>>218201136
Thank you!

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>>218200954
Most of those problems can be solved by reading more and then trying to use the vocabulary/grammar yourself.

>>218201136
>>218201239
Pretty good recommendations. It depends what school you go to but I remember liking 1984 and Of Mice and Men.

If you need something easier, I remember reading Skeleton Man (picrel) in middle school. Or the Goosebumps books.

If you want something more difficult and poetic, anything by Edgar Allan Poe is good. I had to read The Pit and the Pendulum in school.

https://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Pit_Pendulum.pdf

I found Tell-Tale Heart to be an easier read.

https://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Tell-Tale_Heart.pdf

>>218200954
Same problem. I started reading Harry Potter aloud with the audiobook in the background. Mainly for practicing my pronunciation, which is terrible, but I'm also starting to expand my active vocabulary (my next problem is that I understand more than I can say), I guess.

>>218200870
This but Spanish. I’m sorry, I just can’t do it.

>>218201427
Take the Portuguese pill

>>218200870
I learnt it so that I can refuse to speak it :P

>>218200926
Estonian. Only Uralic language speaking nation worth moving to.

Besides Spanish, is there a language for us burgers to learn that’s not absolutely useless?

>>218201608
Scottish Gaelic.
Thank me later.

>>218201381
Thank you too. I try to read all these books.
>>218201407
To be honest I can't help you here. Good luck!

>>218201608
French. All the hot women are in Quebec.

>>218192152
Listen to the Language Transfer audio tapes. Honestly, it'll give you such a great base level to start from.

>>218201532
How so ? And why not Finnish or Hungarian ?

>>218201713
You mean to tell me English roses aren’t hot?

>>218201807
Hungary is full of Romanians and their current leader is a dickhead (information I have gathered from talking to Hungarians in the UK).
Finland is Finland.
Estonia is epic.
Thats about it really.

>>218201860
No. Don't come here looking for a wife. These wenches are clapped.

>>218201896
Which UK country has the finest roses now? England, Wales, Scotland, or NI?

>>218200926
with those languages it just depends on what country you're interested in.
I like the idea of reading the Kalevala in Finnish but I don't know anything about Hungarian literature

>>218200173
most likely the resources in your native language are way worse than the ones in english, unless your native language and your TL are closely associated for whatever reasons

>>218202224
I see
I only like Finnish music, and for some reason I have some online friends from there. I only like how Hungarian sounds. Both countries are a bit depressing. I also don’t really know any Hungarian authors to be honest… both are extremely extremely hardcore.

>>218202863
Do you not like Hungarian music? There’s some good historical stuff if you want to check it out:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeGkSHGjAfOZpdVA7QNagW3Z7JNwdLT9q&si=UOJPsCklEv7SHzxn
You can ignore some of the Slovak stuff in there, but it’s good too.

>>218202023
None. The roses are all shite.

Spanish comprehensible input youtube channels?

>>218190401
I will personally always discourage blindly following any method with the hope of future returns. I believe in only doing things that offer quick results.

>>218201608
Depends on where you live. Where I live there are plenty of Russian, Chinese, and Arabic communities.

>>218203833
Really nigga? There are like hundreds of them now but the biggest one is Dreaming Spanish

>>218178155
Zari best girl

>>218204703
S tier hips

I'm already fed up with German, and it's only the fifth day. I wanted to emigrate to Germany and I like the language, but everything is going so slowly, and I get the impression that they are more Americanized than the rest, they don't produce that much content compared to other Germanic languages. LatAm gave me a similar impression, but Germans are wealthier financially and culturally, so they should do interesting and original things. Unironically, Germans are better promoted by the British (Warhammer) and the Japanese (anime), and I'm not just talking about Nazi references here. The Germans even removed the second verse of their anthem so that no one would think they were made of flesh and blood.
I'm considering spending money on Babbel or some kind of evening language school.

>>218204574
Where I live is full of uncultured white people

>>218184506
You very likely won't study 8 hours a day but if you could yes you'd be fluent within a year

>>218199156
I'm just kinda dabbling right now and using Duolingo for it. I've taken Russian years ago as my second foreign language so I'm not completely new. Currently I'm trying to recover the vocab before moving to Anki and inputting.