All other European countries had many languages and identities but every Englishman is and has always just been English and spoke the same language.
>>218210637they speak hindi too tho
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>>218210637island innit
>>218210637English absorbs languagesIt went from a type of German with extra Latin to basically Dutch with German to sort of French with the others mixed in and now it's all of the above with a bunch of Spanish and a bit of Portuguese, Italian, various Asian languages, native American terms, essentially the parts of speech work very well in English so it can absorb language elements rather than be subsumed into other languages. Now other languages substitute English words which were originally a French, Spanish or German.
>>218210846>English absorbs languagesyeah like every language, big deal. I'm asking why England always had only one identity and one language, as opposed to France or Germany which had many of both
>>218210637There were several kingdoms and it was easier to unite because the population was historically much smaller, for example I think around 5 million people lived in England, including the Welsh, around the beginning of the hundred years' war, compared to 21 million in France.
>>218210964No, not like other languagesI answered your question
>>218211035>No, not like other languagesOther languages don't have loanwords?>I answered your questionNo, i don't see how the totally unique and awesome english language explains the lack of regional identities in England
>>218211153>lack of regional identities in EnglandThere are lots of regional identities. Unless you are referring to different ethnic groups like the Occitan and Northern French both being different ethnic groups but now united under the banner of French.
>>218211235>There are lots of regional identities. Unless you are referring to different ethnic groupsyeah. In the history of France there were frenchmen, burgundians, britons, all the southerners, etc, they were different people with different languages. England is like half the size of France and they were all just one people somehow, just with regional differences. I think it's unusual.>the Occitan and Northern French both being different ethnic groups but now united under the banner of French.kek
>>218211360>the Occitan and Northern French both being different ethnic groups but now united under the banner of French.>kekWas there something wrong with what I said? I’m not really familiar with the different groups of France I just thought it’d be a good example.
>>218210964>always had only one identity and one languageanglo saxon england was made up of several different kingdoms that only united for a relatively short time before the normans arrivedthere were small differences in language amongst the different anglo saxon groupshttps://the-english-nook.com/2024/10/11/old-english-dialects/there are still regional dialects and some words/ ways of speaking associated with some regions and not othersbut i guess it never went past small differences that were irrelevant in the wake of the norman overlords that arrivedan external group, "us vs them" makes a great unifier
>>218211411"occitan" is not a thing, never been. Not one people, not one language.The peoples in the south did not "unite under the banner of French", they just became French.
>>218211618All I’m gathering from this is that there is no solid ethnic French identity. You make it sound like anyone can/could become French (obviously in the context of Europeans, not talking about modern African immigration).
>>218211663what? identity changing over time and people integrating to it doesn't make it any weaker or less authentic.
>>218211598are you saying norman rule solidified english identity?
>>218211753Not really what I meant. I just think it’s weird how anyone from Germanics to Latin Southerners can be French whereas as you’ve said England is very homogenous. Seems like multiple completely different peoples ethnically were integrated into one whilst we are more or less the same across the country with minor differences.
>>218211852Frenchness changed at the same time as the non-french changed. French language and culture spread everywhere in the kingdom. Over time the racial aspect of frenchness faded away and its changed so much that people today generally are surprised to know most of the country wasnt always french. I guess france became more like a project, a nation more than a race.>Germanics to Latin Southerners /int/cel shit, i mean what the fuck are you saying
Island cultures homogenized more readily. Same thing happened in Japan
>>218212018>/int/cel shit, i mean what the fuck are you sayingI thought that people in the north are very similar to Germanic populations like Dutch, people in the east obviously skew German and then the south is similar to Spaniards and Italians. I was trying to say how I thought the ethnic makeup of France was very diverse and lots of technically different ethnic groups are now all labelled under French whereas in England we largely do not have these differences and are fairly same-y no matter where.
>>218212108yeah no it's all nonsense.There are no ethnicities, everybody is french, and the old ethnicities became regional identities, and now theyre nearly forgotten. Frankly people here arent that different anymore.
>>218212108Nta but I've heard people still speak provençal, lang d'oil etc in the countryside, although it is rare.Bretons are amongst those who care the most for regional identity.Corsicans also want independence from France, some go to jail for it.
>>218212473Dialects are dead everywhere. Even in brittany, alsace and corsica, despite their strong regional identity. I've lived in a southern village all my life and never heard anyone speak "prouvençau"
>>218212473also>Bretons are amongst those who care the most for regional identity.>Corsicans also want independence from France, some go to jail for it.this aint the 70s anymore. You know nothing. Only fringe political groups wish for independence now. People want more autonomy, that is all
>>218212624i meant to say they're basically dead. Only 100k people speak briton. Thats only a few percents of the briton population.
