incapable of learning languages that conjugate for gender and number

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>>218227740
how about a language that does neither?

>>218227771
Dogshit language. Everything sounds so the same and they don't have an alphabet.

>>218227740
It’s really not that hard anon

In case anyone's wondering, I haven't abandoned German. It's a shame, though, that there's so little music I like in that language. As I announced, I'm doing a side project in the form of learning a minimum of Italian and I'm starting to catch on that language faster. It also bothers me that I can't comfortably watch anime with German dubbing, it's too difficult. However, I am considering replacing Italian with French, Portuguese or Spanish.

>>218227740
scriptorium

I am linguistically bored

I learned english through pure inpit when i was 13 and i was able to read and listen for at least a few years before i was even able to form a coherent sentence. I think this is going to happen to me again in chinese.

>>218230030
>watch anime with German dubbing
just learn Japanese, weeb

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>>218227600
has anyone used the Refold DE1K anki deck? I love the cards' formatting, but the words they choose to highlight for beginners are baffling to me. e.g. In the couple weeks I've been using it, I've seen multiple words relating to marriage, but nothing for something as common as bicycle. I'm thinking of just ditching it and going back to the tried and true frequency dictionary decks.

>>218230030
Have you tried Zartmann? I really like the melancholic feel of his music
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=FR77mYjH_bI&si=uIAHI9etoBmJ40UW

What are the easiest and hardest spanish accents to understand?

>>218230741
I need to learn German. I thought the anime had simple enough vocabulary that I could get something out of it, but the German dubbing is too long for what they're saying, and the subtitles don't match the words
>>218230818
>Refold DE1K
Don't like it. Too many words like also, but, on, from the very beginning. Example sentences don't help because I don't know the nouns, so I can't even distinguish between warum and wieso in the context or the word bis. I know it from bis später but if I didn't know that, I would have to remember that it means at, from, to, of, etc.
>Song
Gonna check it later. I'm not in melancholic mood rn. But after looking at it it seems ok. Thx

>>218231302
Totally agree with how you're putting it. There are so many prepositions/conjunctions that frequently overlap in their listed definitions that it makes it really confusing to manage/memorize. I think I'll find a freq dictionary deck now to replace it.

>>218231775
I'm using DW Nicos Weg Anki Deck. I like how they teach numbers, for example, where you repeat 823, 437 etc. Great idea because numbers are regular in German.
Surprisingly, the Spanish refold deck is much better, even at the level of example sentences. The word dirty and the example sentence the wall is dirty, then the word wall and the sentence the wall is painted, the next word to paint and dad paints etc. I mean I'm making it up now and it's not that perfect, but that's more or less how I remember it and a lot of the sentences are overlapping with other words

how long did it take you goobers to learn a language to the point of feeling comfy reading/listening it?

>>218232649
I try and play Civ5 in Russian and I just get 1 shot

>>218232754
no offense but that's gotta be one of the worst choices of games to play to try and learn a language...

>>218233099
why? the game is turn based, there is text everywhere from every historical period. I have not found another game that has "turns" allowing me to look up words. If I play Witcher 3 or Assassins Creed I just get cooked

>>218233150
if you have recommendations pls drop them i need to immeerseeeee

>>218233316
Have you tried something simple like Pokemon or Stardew Valley?

>>218233150
the pacing is good for language learning, but the vocabulary is varied and specialized across military, technology, science, politics, history. there is also little coherence to it, it's all short blurbs of text or labels: you rarely see the words used in the context they'd be used outside the game. memorizing "Machinery" next to a picture of gears is not the same as understanding "machinery" as part of a sentence that is part of a paragraph

>>218232237
The French Refold deck also seemed fine. The German one was definitely weirdly different with the more complex sentences and cards for words like "von"

I did my assimil for today and like 30 new anki cards. What else should I do? Pimsleur? More assimil? Guided reader + making anki cards? I only recently started Portuguese but I already speak French so everything so far is really easy

>>218233556
>Stardew Valley
the dialogue automatically goes forward so i cant play

>>218236776
What do you mean? You need to click to continue the dialogue

>>218236846
if you wait long enough it auto goes to the next

>>218236776
I think it's possible to turn it off in the settings.

https://kenrick95.github.io/itazuraneko/learn/kana.html
is there a game/tool like this for hangul?

Anyone who claims Bulgarian is any easy Slavic language is lying to you
They say this because it has no cases, but it has other shit that is just as bad, or actually worse
You see, every verb is conjugated for person, number, tense, voice, mood, aspect, evidentiality, and gender (male, female, or neuter)
Bulgarian retains the aorist tense from proto-indo-european, which is also found very rarely in Georgian and Armenian, and also in Ancient Greek and Sanskrit
The aorist tense indicates and action that took place once at a specific time in the past but given it's unfamiliar to basically any other living language, it's difficult to get used to
It also has the future-in-the-past tense (and a perfect variation of it) for actions that occured in the past, but after the time at which some other event being discussed occured. Why would you need this?
Even more painful, Bulgarian also has a grammatical feature called "evidentiality" that I mentioned earlier.
This is where verbs are additionally changed according to how it is that you know the action in the sentence occured
There are 4 categories of evidentials:
The indicative (I know the action the verb describes took place because I saw it happen myself)
The inferential (I didn't see it happen, but I saw other evidence that convinces me that it happened)
The renarrative (somebody else told me it happened, and they witnessed it first hand)
The dubiative (somebody else told me it happened, and that person heard it from someone else, and so on)
So - in Bulgarian you cannot ever simply say "the man kicked the ball", or "the dog ate the bone".
You MUST modify the verb every time you speak to explain your source of knowledge
This makes writing fiction in Bulgarian weird... what form or the evidential should the narrator use???
But yeah, all of these features combined, you have hundreds of potential forms for each verb
Maybe not all of them are used, but still, possible to make. It is a nightmare

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I have never learned a romance language so this congujation words thing is very confusing and hard to understand for my monkey brain

maybe it is because i chose russian, if i pick a european languages closer to english then the conjugation dative many forms will be much easier to comprehend

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>>218227600
French-speakers, why is 'Aide' not conjugated as 'Aides'?

>>218232649
5-6 months and thousands of hours of input
Assuming comfy implies a decent level of understanding. I was comfy listening and not understanding on day 1

>>218239271
Because this is the imperative form of the verb

>>218239514
thank you.

>>218235745
Yes. Italian and French are ok, but still Spanish one seems to be the most refined
>>218238348
>every verb is conjugated for person, number, tense, voice, mood, aspect, evidentiality, and gender (male, female, or neuter)
If I understand correctly, it's more or less the same thing with all others Slavic languages + case system on top of that

>>218238348
This is what you get for being a grammar chud

>>218238348
>future-in-the-past tense
>evidentiality mood
this sounds kino ngl

Nobody should learn anything other than English. All other languages should be illegal

>>218241518
English isn't even a good language, let's all return to Latin

Nobody should learn anything other than Scottish Gaelic. All other languages should be illegal.

You guys should be chatting in your tl to streamers with few viewers, literally free practice with people desperate enough to talk to anyone

Winter is for learning Russian

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>>218230533
just Speak From Day One

>>218230533
You didn't input enough

>>218232754
>>218233099
Not really related to language learning, but russian dubbing of Civ 5 is very comfy. I used to play civ 5 a lot before i started learned english so it's always very nostalgic to hear this voice actor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MMqZ_tf2Q
Just googled him and he died in 2021. Damn.

>>218228888
>I am incapable of learning new ideas and I am incapable of learning new ideas
Ok buddy retard

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>>218242209
>find Estonian streamer
>type "tere kuidas täna läheb"
>"uhm please keep chat in English"

>>218245021
Find a new one

>>218240689
>more or less the same thing
Only more or less. For one Polish past tense form
>pisał
there can be four Bulgarian forms with slightly different meanings
>пиca
>пишeшe
>пиcaл
>пишeл

just dreamt in my TL where I was describing an earlier dream to somebody

>>218247189
I could probably find something like that in Polish too, but I don't want to go into it too deeply so to not to get distracted from my TLs again.
>>218245021
She thought you were Estonian, your first major language learning success

>>218238348
Georgian isn't IE

I need PAUSABLE vidya that has languages options surely it exists
>>218244276
sadly i do not know what the fuck he is saying (yet)

>>218249233
I'm pretty sure most emulators allow you to bind a key to pause a game at any time
Any console game from 10+ years ago would probably work for this. I still recommend Bethesda games

>>218228888
alphabets are absolute goycattle scripts. europe should switch to 漢字

>>218249233
anything that runs in an emulator should be pausable

>>218250019
>>218249579
>emulator
holy boomer

What would you recommend as a learning routine for a beginner?

>>218247389
no hablo chino chan

>>218228888
>they don't have an alphabet
Getting filtered by this is funny

>>218243938
This is why Pimsleur is the best.

>>218252154
Depends on the language. But generally anki reps + CI :P

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>>218252154
Read one new text with audio and review one old one, using Lute.
That's the bare minimum to be honest, and you can easily scale it to do more.

>>218249233
Disco Elysium

>>218254040
damn you're progressing fast

Ciamar a tha sibh, anons?

>>218249650
>europe should switch to 漢字
based

>>218254040
>Lute
Cool program. Do you use it in conjunction with anki?

>>218256515
Nah, I hate Anki. I've been rawdogging it with just reading and it's been going well.

>>218250146
What is the problem? Emulation is the obvious answer so it's the answer you have received.
>>218252154
Read, write, speak, listen, anki, study grammar, does it really matter?

Hey guys. I just finished my last oral exam. My finals (proper) start around 20th of January and end right before February. I will study every day (for an hour or two) so I will essentially have time to start a new language. Maybe at a low intensity and then go full time once I wrap up the semester.
I have a lot of shit to say, so I vocarooed it.
https://voca.ro/1mleXvseHDdt
Sorry for the French dropout last time. I was in a bad mood and I should have practiced restraint. I still want to learn a language.

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>>218227600
Anons knowledgeable about grammar, in the ohrase "We're asking him to come earlier", isn't 'him' the direct object of the transitive verb 'asking', since it receives the action if the verb? So why does the French use the indirect object pronoun 'lui', as a translation for him? Shouldn't it be the direct object pronoun 'le'?

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>>218257854
Apparently, whether an object pronoun is direct or indirect changes depending on whether a preoposition comes before it, even in English. How is the 'him' in "I've been looking for him" an indirect object when it still receives the action of 'looking for'?

>>218257854
the direct object is the requested thing, not the person whom you ask

No wonder China had a literacy rate of like 5% for 1000 years this shit hard

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>>218249233
Owlcat games: Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous.
You play turn-based, dialogues are in text boxes you have to click to advance (pic 1), everything that flashes up on the screen and disappears after a few seconds (like things NPCs say) you can re-read in the box on the bottom right (pic 2) and you can change the language while the game is running.
The disadvantage is that the dub is only in English (I usually mute all the voices).
An advantage might be that Owlcat is a Russian studio.

>>218258947
>this shit hard
No its not. You're just American.

>>218257195
Jordies gave oral

>>218259450
Ah yes the famously not-monolingual United Kingdom.

>>218254040
Meme lang
Learn Spanish, Russian or Chinese

>>218228888
>Everything sounds so the same
this nigga can't hear pitch

>>218259487
Skill issue :P

>>218259497
I don’t care how many Mexicans fill up this country. I will never submit to learning Spanish. I will learn completely useless languages just to spite them.

Should I learn French, German, Latin, Portuguese, Chinese or Russian first? (I have a reason for each, but idk where to start). I only know how to speak Spanish and English.

>>218230987
Easiest: Peru
Hardest: Chile

>>218260218
French if you're learning to consume media. Chinese or Russian otherwise. Ignore the rest.

>>218260244
>French if you're learning to consume media
Dog shit media though. Even Italian has better movies and literature.

Any general to talk about neography and conlangs?

>>218260272
Check /lgbt/ or /lit/. Thats the type of shit they're into.

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Walked into my first TESOL class today and the teacher is shilling Krashen. Immersionchads win again

>>218256865
calm down unc, you might strain yourself. nobody uses an "emulator". how does emulating a game change the game? just tell me games i can pause

>>218261001
>nobody uses an "emulator"
When commuting to work, I see a lot of gen alpha playing DS games on their phones. Probably an equal amount play clash royale though.

>>218261001
>how does emulating a game change the game?
Because you can freeze the games lol. Get a load of this tech illiterate fucking donkey.

>>218261090
bro a DS is for Millenials. We just use our phones or a switch. Unc is out of touch thinking he is eating fr

>>218261553
this is a millennial unc trying to sound like gen z

>>218227600
If I want to learn Japanese from scratch, where do I start and how long it would take for me to get good at it? How long it would take for me to learn it until I start feeling confident in my skills?

Is there an alternative to skritter? I want an app that will teach me to write hanzi with SRS without having to pay 100 bucks for this.

>>218261976
https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/

>time
Probably like 2-3 years to get comfy, 5+ to become well-rounded and approaching fluency. Depends on how much time and effort you put in, of course.

>>218248911
this is good input playlist for starting out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZcPkVxlRTc&list=PL3Pw2oUcx3zq1ZhChW5G7iraeBM6Ybbvx&index=1

>>218262261
archchinese and pen and paper

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Please tell me where I can find spanish dubbed anime, almost nothing on nyaa and couple of streaming sites I saw is pure cancer

>>218262818
sololatino

>>218262818
https://old.reddit.com/r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH/wiki/non-eng#wiki_.25BA_spanish_.2F_espa.F1ol

Tons of links here. I usually watch stuff on HDFull but it does require a free account sign-up.

>>218227600
At roughly what proficiency can you take a longer break from a language without incuring substantial loses?

>>218258947
there's a reason why when hieroglyphs left Egypt and writing became something other than a novelty, phonetic writing was very soon created. and pretty much every non-chink culture eventually did the same as well (vietnam, korea, japan, etc.)
its easily one of the biggest forced memes in human history. long overstayed its welcome. its pretty novel and all, it could probably have an interesting niche in art, and that might be enough for a handful of ancient chinese elites, but not billions of common, borderline-retarded people.

>>218262261
learn to write chinese character book you can find for free online. an app is not better than a book

>>218263434
>>218262628
that's not the same as a spaced repetition software app that automatically schedules reviews, "just write with pen and paper" isn't a replacement for something with that functionality

>>218264503
What about Anki (SRS) + pen and paper

>>218264503
I had an anki deck where you wrote on the screen (either with mouse or a pen tablet).
Found it: https://github.com/krmanik/Anki-xiehanzi

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>every other streaming site: choose language in the video player itself
>amazon prime video: have to go to a third party site to change languages, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN WORK, YOU'RE STUCK ON ENGLISH FOREVER BITCH

>>218260218
>>218260244
Compared to English and, I'm guessing, Japanese, Chinese and Spanish, all languages are lacking in content. I think Germany is looking to expand into South America, so it might be useful. Plus, it's an interesting language
>>218260268
France has a press and media that counterbalance global Americanization. Politics aside, I just think it's cool to have a different perspective on reality. People with a genuinely different mentality, with good historians, their own documentaries, and a reputable press.
>>218263392
That's right. Aramaic replaced Akkadian as the lingua franca because it was easier to train officials in that language than to teach cuneiform

>>218261553
Thats what our gen alpha do on public transport. Sorry our imported brown kids are more based than your retarded kids.

>>218262261
Theres a FOSS app called wuxia learn which is okay. Its on both android and iphone
https://github.com/wuxialearn/wuxialearn

>>218266711
I recall it having this feature? I just checked it again and I guess I remembered wrong?

I know there is an Anki add on that lets you do the drawing

>>218260871
There arent that many courses for self learners that use the principle of immersion. This means You will be forced to watch children's shows without a course and You will just hope that You can eventually understand increasingly abstract concepts without translating, which even if possible doesnt seem efficient.

Is the lang discord still active? May I ask for an invitation?

>>218265334
>Aramaic replaced Akkadian
Aramaic is post Canaanite, Akkadian is pre Canaanite.

My dad was gonna pay for Duolingo premium and I told him to just use his money for LingQ and he listened to me

>>218257195
Jordie wtf

>>218262506
Thanks anon

>>218267601
based, what's he gonna read first?

bump

comics are really good input but it's kind of a pain in the ass to find stuff other than english or japanese once you're past baby

>>218260871
what in the chatgpt

>>218252154
my current strategy is to spam watch and spam play goose goose duck in TL until fluent

>>218271435
yeah she ai generated literally everything i wonder if i can report it to the university its kinda ridiculous

Sometimes you gotta ask the thinking sand a grammatical question and trust it. I got shit to do, like watch The Return of the King in Spanish.

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>>218267601
>not setting up a Lute server for zero (0) freedom bucks

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>>218273253
my mood also

>Duolingo does less typing exercises because there's too much room for interpretation
>leans into the AI trend
>sole purpose of LLMs is to interpret language
I hate this clicking shit

>>218248145
>IE
19th century myth

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>>218275983
Snapcity incoming, seeing how he doesn't grip the bar with his right hand

>>218230030
dude,just watch german movies and series. Watching non-german media dubbed in german is not a good strategy

>>218259497
>Learn Spanish,
Why, to talk to gardeners?

>Russian
Useless

>Chinese
Even more useless than Russian

>>218257854
You're thinking in English. In French it's nous demandons quelque chose à quelqu'un

>>218273253
>not setting up a Lute server for zero (0) freedom bucks
Normie fags are too retarded to do this. This is tinkerfag tranny behavior

>>218277672
Contemporary Spanish literature mogs the Yank slop publishing industry.

>>218278732
No it doesn't you can stop pretending.

>>218278795
>Illiterate monolingual American moment
I'd hang myself if I were you

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>>218277555
I maintain my opinion. Almost no pop culture. Which is surprising considering the size of the language and the wealth of German-speaking countries. It's probably more interesting at higher levels of the language, I'm in beginner's hell right now
>>218277672
>Why, to talk to gardeners?
To flirt with Latinas. And even if you only deal with gardeners, it's good to know what they say behind your back
Russian is the only somehow universality useful Slavic language. At least in Europe, and much more in Central Asia. Idk about Chinese except they do knock-offs of Japanese stuff like gatcha games or something

>>218279296
>Idk about Chinese except they do knock-offs of Japanese stuff like gatcha games or something
They make everything under the sun. Truly the language you learn if you want good deals on industrial equipment. God bless the Chinese. The Yanks would never be as kind as them.

>>218261976
Depends what your goal is. If you just want to be able to speak it or understand it audibly, unironically just use Pimsleur. You will be cracked and get those sweet sweet nihongo jouzu rewards if you ever go there from just using Pimsleur.
But honestly you should learn to read it as well.
Go steal the course, its on the language resources thread on /t/

>>218277672
Don't tell me you're learning Fr*nch

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>>218277672
>languages that have over 2 billion speakers in total are useless lol
What the fuck are you even doing in this thread? Don't you have some ICE raids to attend to to shoot white women?

>>218281194
I think they're that retard that keeps spamming Scots

>>218279363
I suspect so. However, I mainly associate them with making games in a similar style to Japanese ones. And that they sometimes incorporate their culture into games, just like the Japanese. When I was still playing games, I played games for autistic people like simulations or startegies, but sometimes I see some game characters or cosplayers from games and they even have nice thise traditional or traditional inspired clothes
>>218281194
Amother great language to learn

>>218273253
>server
Wait what? Its a server? Why?

Why was Portuguese so much more enjoyable to learn than Spanish was?? It even felt easier than Spanish, even though I learned it first