>>218230207
you forgot to mention that it's 60% muslim

>>218230241
people are moving to New York and I just saw an X post where people are noticing that call to prayers are heard now in Manhattan
that doesnt happen in Europe

>>218230207
If you can still get a tech job that is.

>>218230293
not true all the muslims in nyc live in queens and the bronx

>>218230207
>high innovation like GDPR-consultation

>live in 3k a month pod/box that you can rent from some old jew since 58k per year is not enough to buy anything there (especially if it's before tax)
>commute daily on some kind of monkey transport
>kids that walk home from daycare? impossible
>he never has to worry about medical bills
wait till he gets something and the insurance starts being a dick
>retirement
yes, for which he works
worst of all, he lives in some type of disneyland dystopia filled with tourists, fags and fart sniffers. I don't like usa but if its between that and Amsterdam I'd pick USA

If you make 58k in Amsterdam you're piss poor and probably live together with 3 roommates.

>>218230369
>umm sweaty its not true just live in the most expensive part of America to not hear the call to prayer or commute 5 hours to work in traffic jam listening to joe rogan

>>218230391
Literally all the good jobs in the N*ggerlands are working for a consultancy firm that is only hired by the government.
Someone will once do an investigation into our economy only to find out 90% of it is public spending. That report will then be hidden.

>>218230536
oh so you are like that too? that is pretty much tech in Finland as well albeit I am glad I am not part of it per se even though my job is also indirectly paid by (multiple) governments as well

>>218230535
i've lived in brooklyn for 26 years and never once heard a muslim prayer
you're retarded

>>218230207
Your pic is a troll post.
58 in amsterdam is poverty tier.
Also you need fluent dutch to work in the netherlands unless you want to be a strawberry picker for 10 euros/hour

>>218230613
so people posting videos about it on X are lying?

>>218230408
You're making it out way worst than it really is. I have multiple friends who live in Amsterdam (I've also visited around a dozen times), and from all I can see it seems like a pretty nice place to live, I'd still pick Utrecht over it but that's just me.
>live in 3k a month pod/box
Shoe boxes go for about 1k a month, you can find cheaper but you'll have to share amenities
>kids that walk home from daycare? impossible
Yeah I'll consent that it's probably on the low end of cities in the Netherlands in terms of safety. Still beats out every US city though and definitely better than the shithole I grew up in.
>wait till he gets something and the insurance starts being a dick
Curious, how often does that happen? I'm a benefactor of the Dutch health insurance (I had a really nasty fall, and had surgery there), and I can't say I've ever had problems like that

>>218230649
>Also you need fluent dutch to work in the netherlands unless you want to be a strawberry picker for 10 euros/hour
this is not France. Tech industry is international and working language is often English with strict language requirements only becoming true the closer you work with the government.

Of course you may or may not benefit from language skills, but often in big tech firms its seen as discriminatory action

Consulting is fake and gay

>>218230744
yes. X is literally a zigger ai propaganda machine and if you believe anything you see on there your IQ is low enough for you to qualify for involuntary sterilization.

i hear church bells every sunday, fwiw.

>>218230649
Amsterdam and in general our major cities are notorious for hosting big populations of people who don't speak a word of Dutch after living and working here for 10 years.
Like you go to a restaurant there and you expect to speak English rather than Dutch.

>>218230827
it was not AI, it was in New York and they gave sources that tells me that New York has allowed call to prayers in the city

>>218230207
Thanks for the tip. I'm not incredibly curious about many places in Europe but Amsterdam always seemed like a very cool place to me.

>>218230241
Yeah they sell you cocaine, it's fucking great

>>218230847
i'm not replying to your bait. i live in new york and i can say for certain i've never heard that.

>>218230795
>Tech industry is international and working language is often English with strict language requirements only becoming true the closer you work with the government.
My experience applying for jobs in my field (finance) in the netherlands tells you otherwise. Litteraly every single office job requires fluent dutch

>>218230871
https://www.nyc.gov/mayors-office/news/2023/08/mayor-adams-nypd-commissioner-caban-take-historic-step-embrace-adhan-muslim-call-prayer

why are you lying jeet?

>GDPR consultation
This is exactly the type of work Mees van der Cuck en Sophie Kolenbrander do for 32 hours per week at a government agency nobody knows exists netting them 65k and 10 weeks of vacation per year.

>>218230829
I did an exchange in the netherlands and absolutely everyone spoke dutch aside from "international" southern european students who will all move to belgium afterwards anyway

>>218230877
finance is not tech, its finance and even then that has way less language requirements
in fact its actually the opposite in linguistically less powerful countries. low skilled jobs often need more language skills unless they are food carriers and slave workers

>>218230911
I feel like your experience doesn't match with the general consensus about our country. The only issue expats all complain about is that Dutch people don't really let them into their social circle if you don't speak Dutch and landlords will consider you easy prey.

>>218230902
yeah, most likely in "transition management" or as an "upcycling consultant"

I just wish that place gets walled and napalmed

>>218230369
I have been to Manhattan central station and you can hear the call to prayer there on Friday

>>218230911
you are French. You probably thought that they spoke Dutch when they spoke English.

also you have absolutely no way to actually confirm as a foreigner how strong the presence of Dutch language is in the place you went. The part about restaurants is true in Finland as well, albeit I think it has died down a bit since there has been some backlash against it. But if you go to KFC or Burger King there is a high chance that most of the workers do not speak Finnish and are Indians or something. They might have one customer facing guy who speaks the language and otherwise since people order in the sefl-service menu, they dont need to speak the language.

this is even more true in Helsinki airport where all the workers are just jeets in subway or some other place, lol. Just be glad that muslims in France speak French

>>218231025
If you go to a Korean barbecue restaurant in Copenhagen you will have to speak english because all the workers are indian or korean.

>>218230971
>The only issue expats all complain about is that Dutch people don't really let them into their social circle if you don't speak Dutch
yeah this exactly how it works here as well
clearly people no matter what they actually say, they prefer if everyone speaks their language. the expats and foreigner workers in tech arent expected to speak the native language and then they kinda get sad or even mad when they realize no one wants to hang out with them

>>218230918
>then that has way less language requirements
Every finance job in a european country requires you to speak that countrys language and a couple of others, on top of english.
Thats just the way it is.
>>218230971
Because of those are spoiled richfags living in international ghettos in amsterdam.
If you go to a country you have to learn that cunts language, its basic common sense.

>>218231061
this is why I only go to middle eastern places if I ever do ethnic since for some reasons arabs / kurds etc. actually learn the language
mostly if I go to a restaurant I go to fancy place where people actually serve me in Finnish

>>218231156
I genuinely don't care if I have to take my order in English. At this point I'm just happy someone is bringing me my food/drinks.

>>218231102
>Every finance job in a european country requires you to speak that countrys language and a couple of others, on top of english.
no they dont

I'd love to go basically anywhere in the Netherlands but I assume it's extremely difficult for an American to get a white collar job like it is in most of Europe.

>>218231189
yeah well I notice its actually doing a big disservice to people. Atomization of society. So I dont support it if its about my money.

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>>218231025
>also you have absolutely no way to actually confirm as a foreigner how strong the presence of Dutch language is in the place you went.
Ive lived there + i am still applying for jobs there too. Litteraly every office job requires picrel

>>218231213
Americans have it quite easy for non-EU nationals since we have favourable treaties and American companies are everywhere in Amsterdam which hire American managers pretty much H1B style.

>>218231213
its not difficult. you just havent tried.

>>218231255
French is basically dutch

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>>218231204
Yes they do. Most jobs do actually

>>218231255
yeah well do Finland there are no such things. The one doing recuitrment might prefer the other candidate silently but not officially though.

>>218231301
This is a literal forklift driver role

>>218231274
I mean yeah, that's what "assume" implies.

>>218231301
>mbo 3
Sacre bleu France sending us their brightest.

>>218231362
ahhh I get it this is what Americans call "small talk"

>>218230744
That video was from the area near the Atlantic Center in Brooklyn and it was likely fake. There are no audible calls to prayer that I've heard in NYC and I was born here in 1988

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>>218231322
Litteraly first job result in my field in finland.
Fluent finnish required.

>>218231361
>>218231366
Yeah both office and manual jobs require fluent/native dutch

because they don’t speak the language

>>218231422
yeah, nice to haves. As I said they might prefer some candidate if they speak Finnish as well but they dont actually care and the company language is most likely English since there are many such cases
just expect everyone around you speaking Finnnish and not speaking English unless you speak or they talk to you

>>218231459
it isnt Poland. In the Northern Protestant Europe you dont need to learn the native language.

>>218231422
I don't know what you're getting at. You can take the Thalys to Amsterdam right now, go to Amsterdam-Zuid where the big ass offices from international firms are and talk to random people at the train station. Like 1/3rd will be expats.

Of course there are many, many exceptions and it differs per company and industry but in particular in Amsterdam there are many offices for the entire EU branch of companies who don't care about the Netherlands specifically.

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Sadly I live in overpriced shithole Amsterdam. American expats are the worst. Only Pajeets are more shit

>>218231213
Americans have an easy time because europeans have the urge to kneel when they hear someone speaking to them in american accents.

>>218231361
It can't be automated by AI so it's a good job

>>218230207
>works in tech
>top pay
>58k
Yikes. Here's the US version:
>works in tech
>top pay
>350k + bonus + stock options + competitor buyout if he's good enough

>>218231593
I drive a forklift at work sometimes. I'm not forklift driver but I work at a warehouse and volunteered to get forklift certified so I can fill in when needed.
It's a lot of fun.

>>218231593
>it cant be automated
not by LLM but jobs that were done with fork lifts have gotten automation and more efficient so there are a lot less of them

>>218231606
This "tech worker" is a literal parasite doing GDPR consultancy to the government probably for 28 hours per week.

>>218231593
A forklift can definitely be automated by AI but it's probably more costly to overhaul your internal infrastructure than to have some minimum wage chud do it

>>218231651
Hour for hour that's still completely worthless. I have a do nothing office job and I make 70k. I sit on 4chan and Reddit all day and maybe do 2 hours of honest work per week. Half the time I'm not even home.

>>218231099
Noo, I want to believe that all Finnish devs do is work on kino games like Baba is you and Legend of Grimrock

>>218230207
EU countries are quite picky to get a visa for (unless you are a Muslim of course)

>>218231523
>>218231523
Foreigners working in zuidas are in top management/biard members/director positions and were sent their by their respective companies.
If you want to get in the system as average schmuck you need dutch.
>>218231475
Hopefuel if true. The only interview i did with a finnish/aland company went very badly after they found out i could speak neither finnish nor swedish

>>218231736
getting visa in the EU is way way way way easier than to get visa in the US
right now its basically impossible for me to get US visa unless I get married to an American. The lottery was the only thing that I had chance in.

whereas in Finland you get like -50% of your tax if you earn over 4k a month and basically fast track visa, no matter where you are and no matter your degree

>>218231691
Your wages are higher than almost anywhere on earth so when you compare you'll almost never get paid as much for the same job. 70k $ is about 60k €, that's like top 35% income here unless you talk about after-tax.
>>218231746
I've dealt with Zuidas firms quite a lot through an old job and they all had a bunch of Laura de Sousa - Costa and Julia Maginot's who had to actually do the paperwork and whatnot.

>>218231736
>>218231780
and I dont know why Americans keep repeating this
muslims come to Europe the same way latinos have come to America expect latinos didnt actually come from countries with war going on but just used asylum application to get through the border to just later become an illegal

the reason you dont have more muslims is because geographics, not because of your policy. you had effectively the same shit going on. with working visas you are way more strict than anyone in Europe

>>218230207
Unfortunately my field (medicine) is tightly walled off from foreigners, I would have to do another set of medical exams and then redo my residency likely. Plus it's all written in Dutch, an utterly useless language

>>218230889
pay no attention to any american who says they're from ny or california
they are subhumans and most likely brown

>>218231852
You're not a doctor

>>218231852
>Unfortunately my field (medicine) is tightly walled off from foreigners
yeah this is why I see so many somalian doctors in my local clinic and I need to go to a private one to not get one...

>>218231852
Medicine is a very bad field for foreigners from richer countries to work in here as the only way you can actually make more money is to become part of a weird legal construct all the doctors have in hospitals.
For a normal contracted worker you will probably go down 50% income.

if i could find a job that pays 180k/yr in evropa (i currently make 2x that working in tech) then sure i'd move. i'm not holding my breath though.

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>>218230207
they are

There's like 100k expats in Amsterdam. It's a huge number of people for city of 900k population

>>218231886
I'm a medical student about to become one
My second licensing exam is at the end of the month
>>218231891
They speak, read, and write your useless language - they almost definitely need to do so to pass the boards
>>218231892
>the only way you can actually make more money is to become part of a weird legal construct all the doctors have in hospitals
This seems to be the case in most of Europe since your primary payor is the government public healthcare system. I would love to go to the UK but they don't even accept anybody in my goal specialty and I would need to do the same rigmarole of retraining just to make half the salary

>>218231804
Well, the thread was about why Americans aren't moving to NL. That's why. In nearly every case, it's a massive pay decrease.

>>218231099
kek retards

>>218231954
100k is like the 200k in Finland (if what I imagine is basically the high tier for anyone that still codes and is not doing some other bullshit)

>>218231954
Woah it's another gorillionaire 400k/year techbro right here in this subreddit! Wowzers!

>>218231974
>They speak, read, and write your useless language
stop talking out of your ass yank freak

>>218231974
>They speak, read, and write your useless language - they almost definitely need to do so to pass the boards
reality is that if you are able to work as doctor in one (1) EU country you are good to be a doctor everywhere and AFAIK language requirements are then only employer enforced

>>218231954
life's cheaper here though

Although 180k is not unrealistic for Senior and higher positions in like London, Norway or Switzerland. have you actually checked any offers?

>>218231977
American average joe doesn't move here because there's nothing for them to gain but there are many young American professionals who work & live in the Netherlands. They get hired by American firms and have tax breaks for expats.
Of course the appeal of living abroad for a while and enjoying a different lifestyle must be worth it but financially they are often well off, like twice the national average.

>>218232027
You wrote that in American, not Swiss

>>218230207
I hate druggies, communists, narcissists, homosexuals and abortion.

>>218232108
i wrote it in english but perhaps I should try ebonics so you can understand

>>218231691
lol same
once they fire me I'm FUCKED

>>218232087
Sure, I get that. Same with boomers who've retired. I guess it happens everywhere.

>>218232156
I'm of Danish descent. Maybe it's a Danish gene problem.

>>218232138
>I hate druggies, communists, narcissists, homosexuals and abortion.
huh why didn't you still move out of us then?

>>218232232
Because everywhere else has worse laws
I checked.
Dominican Republic was close but no cigar, same with Poland. Both also have specialized languages unlike their neighbors. I learned a bit of each but it was uphill and the laws had too many issues. So I moved to a state with a law to automatically make abortion illegal if Roe v Wade were overturned, and next year it actually was.

>>218232296
>no cigar
Huh, interesting - could you name what are the specific laws in Poland you're talking about?

>>218231954
wtf do you do for that kind of money? You could hire half a dozen senior devs here for 360k/yr
>>218232057
Big ticket items like cars cost more in Europe, apartments/houses aren't much cheaper here outside of the super expensive US cities

>>218232364
100% going to be related to gun ownership

>>218232403
Owning a gun takes like ~2 months and ~$1k for licence. In some of our laws we're actually more liberal than States - gun modifications, to name one.

>>218232364
100% related to gun ownership.
Also for both Poland and Dominican Republic they are heavily Catholic which comes with unfortunate sets of mental illnesses.
I don't believe in any God and just value human life without cannibalizing Jesus and all the other stuff.

>>218232144
>ebonics
You mean AAVE?

>>218232038
Yeah but I'm pretty sure I'd have to start over for being a doctor anywhere
Only other European language I speak is Latin American Spanish and I struggle to understand Castellano

>>218232401
>wtf do you do for that kind of money? You could hire half a dozen senior devs here for 360k/yr
remember that they pay for their pensions, healthcare, cars, housing. Either they commute like crazy or they live in the actual place of work and everything is extremely expensive and msot of that drains out

of course as a single man its still way more than in Europe, but if you have kids then suddenly daycare is expensive...I also forgot student loans

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>>218230889
i'm white and not lying. here's me in front of the empire state building a few days ago (notice how i'm white).

>>218230207
I don't like the smell of weed, nor do I like being around MENA and South Asians.

>>218232600
Even if you live in center of mental illness vortex socal there is no actual necessity other than mental retardation for all expenses for a family to exceed $100k/year

>>218232588
its mostly paper work. As an American you might even get a pass without extra tests. Honestly Americans dont even know how easy it is to immigrate to Europe. Only thing you have going on is you speak English and the pay is good so everyone wants to come there so you have very strict system but even the strict system means you have millions in line

>>218232633
Wasted digits for an foid
Also
>brown hair
You're not white fyi

>>218232633
that honestly doesnt look white was this a trollpost

>>218232710
nigger i'm not arguing with you

>>218232677
>you might even get a pass without extra tests
Unlikely, the Spanish seem to be even more uptight than us about passing their board exams

>>218232633
only a tourist would pose with the empire state building right outside of penn station

you do not live in brooklyn. you're from jersey at best and probably just lying outright. that's probably your niece or some shit.

>>218232797
>>218232633
she looks asian

is she hungarian? russian?

>>218232677
I do not wish to go to Mordor.
Diversity is your strength you don't need loud white ignorant Americans. Raheen will do your surgery.

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>>218232854
here are my eyes from that photo, do these look like asian eyes?

i'm 100% bavarian, ethnically speaking.

>>218232926
>>218232633
stop posting women you stalk FREAK

>>218232926
you look old as fuck

>>218232600
Except society here (and I guess to lesser extent other east euro countries) have been falling apart.

Just to show how bad things are here with the free healthcare you get, I had my uncle diagnosed with a treatable form of stomach cancer, then he was bounced around and stuck on waitlist for motre than half a year and he died without getting a single round of chemo.

Everything's the same. Pensions are going to be fucked decades before I get to retire.

Education's in shambles, which is not a huge problem since nobody's having kids.

I feel like society is in a pre-panic stage here, some people have realized how bad it's going to get, and are doing everything to get ahead of the curve to amass as much money as possible with buying up shit like apartments, slowly driving up prices for everyone, with every day more people waking up to the reality of the situation, and I think we're just a couple years aways from people realizing it's hopeless. I don't know what will happen then, but nothing good I assume

The only smart thing (to survive) is to try to make as much money as possible, while trying to dodge taxes, and build up a war chest so you can retire on investments, and pay for shit out of pocket

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>>218232926
Yeah, kinda actually. Like hapa or some Russians
>i'm 100% bavarian, ethnically speaking.
KEK

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>>218233143
i'm white you stupid faggot
let's see your slitted asiatic polish eyes

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>>218233181
>tawny skin
>dark brown hair
>brown eyes
>"Bavarian" heritage
So where in Northern Mexico or Texas is your family from?

>>218230241
>>218230391
>>218230435
>>218230824
>>218230854
>>218230902
>>218231213
>>218231459
are you guys actually too stupid to understand that the OP post is a joke?

>>218233273
bodied that freak

>>218233270
i yield you mog me
but i am white
are you actually polish or "pole-ish"

>>218233330
I got that from the 58k, top 1% bit.

I still want to leave this shithole for a place where you don't have to drive a car to have human interactions.

>>218233405
I don't know and I don't care about my distant ethnicity / race / whatever, I'm not giving up my DNA to american start up neither. To be a Pole does not mean to have Polish ethnicity. Wilfredo León is as Polish as Matejko or Piłsudzki or Braun.
Although my sister did the family tree by talking to grandparents and great- grandparents and starting from grandparents all of my ancestors we managed to find were peasants in lesser poland so seems that I'm local

>>218233383
It's sad but norteños unironically believe they're some sort of Aryan master-race just because long ago they had Hermann the German move to Nuevo Leon to start ranching

>>218233552
yeah you're german m8

>>218232926
I legit thought you were an Asian woman

>>218233114
he wouldnt have gotten healthcare in the US either

>>218233633
DO I LOOK ASIAN TO YOU RETARD
YOU ARE LITERALLY AN URALIC NORTHEAST ASIAN MONGOLIAN MUTT

>>218233577
there was no significant german settlement in my home area

it might be shocking to you but actually based on censuses recorded in German Empire and AH in 19th / 20th century having pale skin / blonde hair / blue eyes DOES NOT depend on being Slav / Germanic. They concluded it depends almost solely (in this part of the world) the number of hours of sun, latitude and distance from Baltic / North sea.

>>218233689
there's nothing wrong with asian women you know

>>218233700
sorry i simply refuse to believe it because it challenges my world view

>top 1% income (€58k)
LOL

>>218233689
the hairstyle and everything made it seem like
on another glance you look British

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>>218232633
>>218232926

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>>218233768
i'm 100% german-american. not a drop of anglo blood.

>>218233826
yeah well you are swarthy

>>218233735
e.g. there was no difference in hair color in Kashubia comparing to neighbouring East Prussia / Western Pomerania - despite Kashubians being mostly Slavic. Or that decades after the war there's no significant difference in "general paleness" of people in New Territories and neighbouring Eastern Germany - despite Poles who settled Lower Silesia and Western Pomerania were either from central poland or from Ukraine / Lithuania / Yugoslavia

>>218233867
i'm pale as the driven snow. you're retarded

>>218233867
Because she's Mexican-American with "German heritage"
There's a lot of them in northern Mexico and Texas

>>218233947
you're a schizo

>>218233982
Looks like I was right on the money

>>218233897
you legit have yellowish tint in first photo, like japanese or russians

do you tan well? what colour are your lips / similar tissues (e.g. nipples)?

>>218234056
my lips are black and my nipples are green

>>218234442
kek thank you for good banter
happy new year

>>218234694
happy new year anon

>>218234442
True Mexican banter