Who was more evil?
>>218772354Napoleon was the good guy.
>>218772354Napoleon was just your typical conqueror and warmonger. No different than literally anyone else in world history. Conquered shit to make France bigger.Hitler was an autist that was obsessed with wiping out certain groups of people because they were mean to him. He wanted to conquer to but wanted to also wipe out certain peoples.
>>218772354Napoleon the midge
>>218772433you only believe that because certain people control the narrative
Napoleon for sure>Napoleon was just your typical conqueror and warmonger. No different than literally anyone else in world history. Conquered shit to make France bigger.He spread the liberal nationalist plague everywhere.
>>218772473Reported your post to the German government.
>>218772354Hitler. Napoleon was an ideologue just like Hitler, but he didn’t go on insane rampages because da jooos shat in his pants.
>>218772473indeedthe brits make out napoleon to be an evil monster, when in reality in other countries he's seen as an important figure or a liberatorthe way he's studied here in Italy is that he's credited with helping stoke the ideas of a united Italyhitler was just a schizo too high to live in reality
Eh theyre both basically the same but hitler hated jews more
Hitler was drugged up during the war agianst the world. He's actually the real expensionist because he wanted to include ethnic cleansing to coqnuered territories. It's really unacceptable in hindsight of what happened.
>>218772595Hard disagreeNapoleon was opportunistic as fuck. Had he truly believed in liberalism he wouldn't have crowned himself an emperor
>>218772473I believe that because my grandparents told me what happen you fucking shithead. Jews weren't the only victim
It's much much easier to romanticise Napoleon
>>218772759the suffering of Poles pales in comparison to what Jews had to endure
>>218772354The Fr*nch are always the most evil.
>>218772760It sort of is chad vs chud meme
>>218772760>>218772816These
>>218772714Opportunism is good. Hitler was the opposite of opportunistic. He could have easily benefited from the non-aggression pact with the USSR to finish the war with the UK. Instead the retard managed to ally three completely ideologically opposed countries against him.
>>218772354Warmongering genius vs genociding brainlet
>>218772796It doesn't, but you did try to kill half of us, turn the other half into slaves, destroy our cities and wipe Poland off the mapBut you lost, nazi poopenkopf
>>218772796Both Poles and Jews were marked for extermination my dude , about half of the victims were either Polish or Polish Jews
>>218772354Italians can't be evil
>>218772354If we take a historical contex it's Napoleon. Killing 2 million French people before the invention of airplanes, machine guns, and other things - that takes talent.It can be said that because of this Italian manlet, France has forever remained in the shadow of Britain and the English language.
>>218772916What about gelato alla liquirizia? Its an abomination
>>218772354Hitler. If he constructed his plans as 'just to conquer' he would have viewed the same as Napoleon. But he decided to exterminate and enslave other nations.
>>218772985France was fucked way before Napoleon lmao. Brainlet take. Louis XIV did way more damage. Read Tocqueville.
>>218772985France is now stronger than UK thoughAnd their nukes work without having to ask Americans lol
>>218772354Never realized that Napoleon looks so much like Mussolini
>>218773023>France is now stronger than UK thoughlol>And their nukes work without having to ask Americans lolLOOOL
>>218773050>why do wops look simmilar
>>218773012You're a fool, Kraut. France under Louis XIV was the most populous country in Europe.Napoleon is a pompous baboon. Yes, he was a good tactician and general, but when it came to diplomacy and strategy, he was a primitive baboon, worse than Hitler. Another thing is that those who opposed him weren't much better either. Only towards the end of the war did they realize that the most effective tactic against Napoleon was to retreat and attack from the flanks. Because Napoleon was alone, there were many battles, and he couldn't win them all.
>>218773073Cope harderYour compatriots gonna migrate to EU to do shitty manual jobs in two decades
>>218772916What if said Italian looted Northern Italy of its wealth and art to give it to the French?
>>218773144Yes, it was the most populous country in Europe. He then proceeded to sink that country into debt to feed his ego. Read a book, preferably on basic logic.
>>218772354Hitler because he's German
>>218772870>>218772874>you did plan to kill Polesso now we are being punished for thought crimes?
>>218772354
>>218773073Good morning, Saar.
>>218773171I don't praise Louis XIV anywhere. But if I take Louis XIV and Napoleon, I'll choose the first option. Napoleon left France in a much more dire situation.
Hitler was such a massive schizo that even other chud dictators thought he was off his rocker. France was doomed to a military dictatorship after the revolution anyway. If it wasn’t Napoleon, it would’ve been someone else
>>218773321Napoleon inherited a shithole ruined by retards like Robespierre and fucked all his counterrevolutionary enemies. He was France’s Stalin if you will.
>>218773330>If it wasn’t Napoleon, it would’ve been someone elseWho else had so many brothers and sisters as the Italian-Corsican mafia boss Napoleoni?
>>218773284pick it up krauty
>>218773387You forget that he rose to power thanks to the Revolution. There would have been no Napoleon without the Revolution. Without the Revolution, there would have been no talented French generals who made Napoleon's wars successful.
>>218773073you get half of you planes deactivated in case of a war against the US, dawgoui won
>>218772354>eliminationist, racial supremacist vs military autocrat motivated by power and glory>genocide vs violence through warfare>virtually no redeeming political or social achievements vs left a hugely influential codification of civil law, administrative reforms, large infrastructure projects, and even contributed to the rise of the field of Egyptology
>>218772354N*poleon obviously
>>218772354napoleon almost saved europe you kraut faggot
>>218772916You need to win battles and wars to be able to do evil things to others.Italians desire to be evil- but can't.
>>218773532Napoleon wasn't a lawyer. He had nothing to do with the Code. He was simply a dictator, and it was named after him. In domestic policy he was so incompetent that one of his main ministers, Talleyrand, was literally a rat.
>>218772354Hitler was a schizo and his only legacy is a bunch of retarded wignats and incel edgelords, he completely killed patriotism in Europe forever
>>218773748Talleyrand was a human, actually.
>>218773781>he completely killed patriotism in Europe foreverLike something bad
>>218773532>>virtually no redeeming political or social achievementsI would say a hell of a ton "counterachievements", deciding Europe's political sphere for 100 years ahead.
>>218773709America is evil and dystopian despite losing in Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam though?
>>218773164Considering the times Napoleon was actually pretty nice to Italy and Germany, he was a menace to Spain though
>>218774021>AfghanistanLiteral graveyard of empires. I don't think Italy will do any better>IraqThe only real goal was to topple Saddam's regime. USA's job was done after that and had no real idea or plan on what to do afterwards. We made a half-assed "democracy" to save face and then left. insurgency was mostly controlled in Iraq while US forces were present.>Vietnam Another historical graveyard of empires. I wish Italy's army the best of luck in Vietnam.
Napoleon committed more war crimes and destroyed more historical heritage than Hitler ever did. Napoleon was just a midget violent baboon warlord.
>>218774169Also for Vietnam, the war didn't end quickly because US forces were not allowed to invade North Vietnam. That would cause escalation and possible WW3If North Vietnam was conquered by USA, insurgency would still continue, but it would be far better controlled than in history.Anyway, China would probably invade US-vietnam just like how China invaded Korea when US forces were getting too close to China. That would be a messy and very unpopular war.
>>218772354>posts 2 heroes murdered by the eternal anglo
>>218774402why do they always team up to destroy european heroes?
>>218774620they are 2 agents of pure evil
>>218772916truthnuke of the year
>>218773238So you're now denying that Nazis killed millions of Poles, stinky fuck? People in my family died. Ethnic Poles from my hometown were sent to Auschwitz before even Jews died there. Upon entering Kraków you arrested professors from my university and sent them do concentration camps. Great aunt of my wife was kidnapped - as she was a aryan looking child. Her family never found her. Can you imagine losing your 2yo child, never to be found, simply because of its hair color? Every time I take a walk in my city I can see effects of your "thought crime" - graves, monuments, marks of ruins - death and destruction you have brought to this land. But you lost, you little scum. Deep in your head you know Germany will never be strong again, you're a nation with broken spine now.
>>218772354>>218772390>>218772433Napoleon was the reason for WW1 and therefore also indirectly WW2.He cucked and mindbroke Germans and destroyed the a bit goofy HRE and caused rabid nationalism, revenge fantasies and a powerful united Germany in response.
>>218773238>thought crimesA centre of a 1.5M city
>>218772354Definitely Hitler, because he's indirectly responsible for making Israel.
>>218773238>thought crimes>fifth of the population lost
>>218773164Italians did that since forever, all the ones with a brain fucked off from their city state to become naturalized in bigger kingdoms.
>>218773238>thought crimesYeah I wonder why we no longer allow Germans to organise summer camps
>>218774723>>218774887>>218774946>>218775006war is hell
>>218772473people really underestimate the power of gypsies
>>218775124No, you're genicidal shithead
>>218775124Kek. You just being silly then haha
>>218772354One is French, the other is a schzio. I can't decide on who's worse.
>>218773500He was the only based retarded that the revolution birthed. Everyone else was mid at best, batshit insane at worst.
>>218775124German humor
>>218772916trvke
>>218773164wow I like Napoleon now, total polentonian death
>>218773164Based Napoleon stomping on fecalians' necks
>>218775678Erm polenta got off with some looting, terroni faced total death lol
it gives me so much pleasure that 4chan nationalists exclusively worship the losers of history, it tells you everything you need to know about /int/
Napoleon gave us the Louisiana Territory for dirt cheap
>>218775124Deutschland wird leben, und Deutschland wird deshalb siegen.
>>218774723just know that he has absolutely no emotional recourse outside of circlejerking with his pathetic loser "neurodivergent" frens on 4chan and redditno amount of frogposting, soybooru images or statues of men on horses will ever change the fact that irl his repulsive ideology lost forever and his country lost forever and ever
>>218775006Nigga you are talking to an immigrant who's ragebaiting you and doesn't give a fuck about Germany. Native Germans are trained from the womb to hate their country and nod their heads whenever someone is talking about their war crimes
>>218775951Napoleon swept away the ancient regime and his administrative system ended up being the blueprint for all continental Europe
In the Mein Kampf there is alreadd y a seed planted for the lebensborn+lebensraum. Calling it all a thought crime wouldn't hold a candle in courts definitely not. Intent was serious and also holocaust was real and it happened.
european roots are monarchies, not bourgeois totalitarian dictatorships, and it's important to remind it to retarded chuds
>>218776643same shit different smell
>>218772354There's no such thing as evil. Good and evil are human constructs. Napoleon didn't view himself as evil and neither did Hitler. That being said, under normie morals Hitler gets thrown under the bus because of what he did to the joos. But he didn't see himself as evil because he viewed them as a disease for his country. Let's not forget Hitler had a major mental breakdown when Germany lost WW1 and he couldn't comprehend why his homeland had lost so he needed someone to blame in his mind. He wasn't a villain/evil in his story.Commies killed millions and they didn't see themselves as evil because it was for industrial progression/economic necessity. Let's not forget that the commies are also products of their times(the years of the tsar were pretty shit and backwards, and warlord china was fucking horrendous.)Napoleon if we're going by the human construct of "good" and "evil" isn't even that bad by comparison. Maybe I'm ignorant but he just wanted a big french empire what's so bad about that?
>>218776985Hitler did a pogrom over conspiracies a pogrom that turned into a holocaust because he rounded all the ghettos up in due time.There is no way a monarch could do that and especially not Europe when it was soundly catholic/protestant.
>>218772354both are evil except one won their wars to rewrite history meanwhile the loser lost theirs and fell into oblivion
>>218772354I wouldn't consider napoleon evil, maybe you could say the invasion of Russia was evil for the sheer loss of life but to me it was more like megalomania and poor counselAnyone trying to rehabilitate hitler is just an edgelord
>>218772433right, he hated them so much, they all got free room and board, which those asshole well poisoners love, on the german taxpayer, which they also love
>>218772354I usually play as France in E:TW and Mount and Blade because it's just more interesting.Sorry chaps.
>>218772354Napoleon looks EXACTLY like this kid who was in my class I swear he’s his reincarnation
>>218773159Your country is propped up only by donated money and your people have never amounted to anything. Even if we are forced to clean your toilets we will always be above the absolute gutter trash ‘Europeans’ that are the Polish.
>>218776643We had democracy in Greece thousand years before we had nation states ruled by kings
Neither. They both believed in their country, their people, and worked to further their success and glory. They are hated by cretinous filth that share none of the same traits.
>>218772354Always the germ. Always.
name something evil Napoleon did
>>218778116>Always the germ?The image depicts an Italian and an Austro-Hungarian man
>>218778147https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Odqg6_k5E8He is hard to denounce. I guess the Anglos made Sharpe, it's a really cool show about the time period.
>>218778147
>>218772433>Conquered shit to make France bigger.Nah, for his personal gain. That’s the redpill about Napoleon, he was an entirely self-interested apatride. He created the Kingdom of Italy to retreat there if shit in France went South. In the end he retreated to Saint Helena and France gained 0 square km after 30 years of continuous war because of his hubris.
>>218778234fair but only 300 people got executed, expected after civilians attack the military
>>218778234That’s on the Spaniards desu. They were a special kind of retarded and backwards turbo-Catholicuck bunch who committed atrocities all the time. No such thing happened in Italy or Germany to my knowledge.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltasar_Calvo
napoleon was very popular here amongst the working classes
>>218776985>There's no such thing as evil.Oh fuck off
>The Count of Cervelló responded that "You have killed many Frenchmen without an order, and none can now be necessary." The rioters reacted by murdering their hostages and leaving their bodies on the doorsteps. One of the rioters attacked Peter Carey Tupper thinking that he was French, but was stopped by another rioter who realized that the consul was from Britain.The Spaniards literally tried to kill their ally, the British consul, because he was white lmao.
the jews
>>218776487>holocaust was real and it happened.No.
>>218772354hitler is the culmilation of german autismo branch of philosophy
>>218779141lol let me guess, the allies cut the aid to the konzentrationslager and that caused typhus to spread and famine to take over?You know without intent of the nazis that would be somewhat believeable as an outcome.
>>218779141Explain where the Jews from my hometown went.
>>218772665>the brits make out napoleon to be an evil monsterDont think we do. He just tried to stop europe trading with us. And him setting up a "meeting" between the crown prince and the king of spain as an "honest broker" and then he comes leader? Obviously we werent going to have that
>>218779442Jewish Valhalla (A dollar store with a bagel shop in it)
>>218773532Counter point: Hitler invented Fanta and the first assault rifle. He gave use guns and diabetes and so I declare him an honorary American. Im sure he would he pleased
>>218779442Back to hell where they came from?
>>218772354what a retarded comparison, who could post something like th->flagoh of course
>>218772473Who? Gypsies? Poles? Belarusians?
>>218774723I obviously relate but don't bother man, you're on a funnyposting site
>>218779437>lol let me guess, the allies cut the aid to the konzentrationslager and that caused typhus to spread and famine to take over?Nah, they died of typhus, probably, as my own ancestor did in Feb 1945 (not a Jew). Answering the most schizo theory out there (that the typhus epidemic was intentional or caused by the Allies) isn’t honest. They didn’t die in gas chambers because these didn’t exist, that’s it.>>218779442To camps, where they weren’t gassed.
Europe is eternally locked in its warring states period.
>>218779795Holocaust means burnt offering so the method of disappearing the bodies with mass cremation no matter the cause of death is valid. Denial of it is something I'll never get.Making jews take cyanide or zaykblon b isn't some torturous death, all who took their lives on the nazi side used these pills as well. Why deny it?
>>218779849Because gas chambers didn’t exist.
>>218779892Theree were experiments in konzentrationaslager to despose people quickly. Most executions were done by gun barrel, with courts it was gallows.
>>218779997Hey what side of the war were you guys on again?
>>218772354Europe would have been better if Napoleon had won and held the Empire.
>>218779997I just say that the gas chambers didn’t exist, not that there weren’t massacres or genocidal acts.
>>218780018What's this have to do with the holocaust dendial? My grandfather who fougth in the war loved Hitler.
>>218780107Just reminding you of your place my fingolian friend
>>218780057Could he have just left Russia alone if he chose to? Or did he think it was necessary somehow?
>>218780133Topkek
>>218772354>Who was more evil?To everyone other than the Spanish, Hitler
Napoleon was the greatest man to ever liveHitler was a degenerate and I wish he got shot like a dog in WW1
>>218772354>evilkek
>>218780260>Hitler was a degeneratehow?
>>218780291meth, amphetamines
>>218780340at least he wasn't a cuck, lol
>>218780340>meth, amphetaminesIn all fairness everyone was chugging that shit back then, nobody knew how it worked other than that it made you go fast
>>218780454Wasnt there some fingol sniper who killed like 70 soviets while powered by meth and never sleeping
>>218780486>Wasnt there some fingol sniper who killed like 70 soviets while powered by methAnon let me let you in on a secret: that was literally everyone in WWII because meth was in everybody's rations both Allies and Axis.However, I think you're mixing up Simo with this guyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimo_Koivunen
>>218780519Yes Simo was it, I guess he was never on meth.
Napoleon the midget who wanked in the corner when his spouse was fucking other men versus the greatest mind of the history
>>218780843cant be that great if he lost tbqh
>>218772760>>218772816>When royalist troops were deployed to stop the march of Napoleon's force before Grenoble at Laffrey, Napoleon stepped out in front of them, ripped open his coat and said "If any of you will shoot his Emperor, here I am." The men joined his cause.Napoleon was a warmongering tard and it's good that he died fat and alone but hitler could never do something this kino
only an Anglo-Hapsburgian would call Napoleon evil
>>218780843In what world is Hitler the greatest. Peoople were ploitting to get rid of the guy for a long time, former nobles and loyalists to the kaiser saw him as some hooligan.He is consequental in that he made sure europeans will always be libera
>>218780843the frist based frenchman in this thread
>>218780927Its easily one of the most badass moments in history. Along with the whole escaping the alcatraz of europe thing.
>>218780097So there was a genocide of Jews, Poles, Gypsies, etc, but no Holocaust? Did I get it right?
>>218780976>the alcatraz of europeJej
Evil is defined by opposition to Jesus Christ and any tradcath larper like myself will tell you that Hitler is much more distasteful from a Christian perspective than Napoleon, though that should be balanced against the fact that he was facing some truly satanic evil while everyone Napoleon fought was morally superior to himself.
>Napoleon was the reason for WW1Probably the worst fucking take I've ever seen.
>>218776410No, they are not. They are only sorry for the Jews they killed - they don't really care about Poles or gypsies. They didn't even care enough to put a small monument (>80 years after the war, mind you) of Polish civillians they killed in Berlin. I'm being dead serious.
>>218781298He was Italian by blood you should be provd
>>218781220Why are there 40 million Poles today if there was a genocide of Poles? War crimes != genocide. Plus I fucking wish Gypsies had been genocided. You a gyppo or smth?
>>218781600Because they didn't finish the job. They lost, idiot. Erasing a nation from large territory = genocide
>>218781495Yes but Elba isn't exactly Alcatraz
>>218781687Yeah now that I think about it the brits were pretty crummy watchmen.
Napoleon was mean to usHitler was not mean to usSo Napoleon is worse.
>>218776643Yes but which of the burgeoisie totalitarian dictators was worse, Hitler or Napoleon?
>>218772354>evilDebatableHitler has never killed anyone with his own hands so his personal kill score is lower than that of an abortionist's
>>218781220more german civillians got ethnically cleansed post-war than us during it don't be an eternal victim
>>218776643This.
