it really do be like this
>factory workers get out competed by foreign workerstough luck bubs, learn to code>code monkeys get out competed by foreign workersshould have learned to weld, that's capitalism>farmers get out competedOh no, poor baby, here are a billion tariffs and import restrictions to make food more expensive, you want some subsidies too? Fuck my wife too while you are at it.
farmers are the new nobilitybourgeoisie land owners with more wealth than 95% of the population the sooner we replace these cunts with robots the better
>>218794184>the robots become sentient and the cycle starts all over again
>>218794147if you can't understand the importance of controlling the production of your own food supply you are beyond helpjust lie down in a ditch and expire gracelessly
>we'll starve if we don't close our market to foreign food>if we don't pay subsidies we'll have to pay more at the store, also the prices in the store are because of the stores not the farmers
>>218794204If robots gained sentience they would output 10x a regular farmer's harvest with a fraction of the resources.
>>218794256but it's ok to get fucked in other industries?
>>218794147i garauntee you these farmers want jobs to be given to other europeans, why do you think theyre the enemy
>>218794256>we have to grow our food in this cold shithole with terrible soil because of independence or something>ignore that we import 100% of synthetic fertilizer from other countries
>>218793467BasedI hate food
Is this about MERCOSUR? The agrarian lobbies literally made a fuss over nothing, they arent threatened in any meaningful way by the agreement. They're just defending their own interests as always
>>218795887Prices going lower means they'll have a harder time making enough money to live on and will become even more dependent on gibs and have to fight even harder to get them while you keep complaining that you have to pay even more gibs to those ungrateful bastards who slave away for almost no recompense to make sure you don't starve to death, while at the same time money is flowing out of the country.
>>218795999the guys blocking more food from entering the country are saving me from starving?
europeans will really blame farmers for all their environmental problems then open 50 new coal plants and outlaw the cleanest and most efficient power souce (nuclear)
2/3 of EU subsidies goes to farmersFarmer is the best paying job in the Netherlands, the average Dutch farmer is a multimillionaireFarmers have enough, they should not complain
>>218793467Farmers get like the most handouts in the EU and throw a hissy fit when something mildly inconveniences them.I dont sas fuck them but some are arrogant neurotics with a victim complex.
>>218796084Farmers employ only local workers not random brownies how multinational corporations do
>>218796084>no you dont get it, if money is going to farmers, then how are the wholesome chungus immigrant rape gangs gonna get bigger welfare checks
>>218794147You can't eat phones or plastic toys Sven
>>218795999Prices going lower for what? Coffee and soybeans which we dont grow here in any relevant capacity? Only our livestock exports to asia could face issues
>>218796083>>218796138This is your head if you build actual political opinions on /pol/ memes
>>218796120LMAO are you retarded? Agriculture is one of sectors with the largest amount of foreign workers
>>218796138Very american post
>>218796120The average farmer has an army of illegal immigrants who live like slaves
>>218796220>>218796176Post proof before yapping city slicker commiesAverage farmer is more loyal to his country and people than average wagie in grocery store in big city
>>218796299Not the big boy farmer who owns a shitload of stuff.Your average village farm boy may be more like this though
Euro farmers are the biggest welfare niggers on the planet
>>218796299This is only temporary visa workers. There are also loads of immigrants on permanent visas or with citizenship that work in agriculture.
>>218796299>Average farmer is more loyal to his country and people than average wagie in grocery store in big cityYou have been mindbroken by /pol/ wheatfield aesthethics. The big ones dont give a single fuck, they do it as a business
>>218796084>>218796113What I don't get is why don't you become farmers yourself instead of bitching about them if being a farmer is so glamorous and most well paying job in Europe? Seems really weird behavior of you. You could just become a farmer and instantly become a multimillionaire but for some weird reason you don't want to do that.
>>218796220Here farners were importing Thai people and treating them terribly on berry picking farms.
>>218796533>just buy millions of euros worth of farmland and equipment from a guy who's family has owned it since the medieval age bro
>>218796580The Thais are picking blueberries in the forest, retard.
>>218794147Those first 2 things are bad too. We need more protectionism
>>218796533Im literally not bitching you neurotic retard.
>>218796533sent that freaks to outhouse >>218796451That's like 1% of the richest farmsVast majority still is farmed by methods from early 20th century
>>218796617Yeah you are.
>>218796083Thats GermanyWe just finished building Europes most powerful and the worlds third most powerful nuclear plant
>>218796533you need the land first>if being a noble is so good why dont you just stop being a peasant and become a noble
>>218796605Just be quiet if you know nothing of the subject. I can't stand loud confident retards. Educate yourself. https://areena.yle.fi/1-75943698
>>218796721There's a lot of cheap farm land out there in the world.
>>218796628I dont know about other countries but atleast in germany 63% of all agrarian land is owned by a handful of megacorps, tendency rising because they keep buying smaller ones ( and who also disproportionately profit off our gibs lol). You're under the wrong impression that its all le trad and based heckin farmerinos who love their country patriotically or whatever
>>218796747>Nepalilaisen ravintolan riistetty ja uupunut duunari, joka on joutunut maksamaan kynnysrahan saadakseen työpaikan.>Nepalese guy working in a restaurant is Thais picking berries on farmsYou're some special kind of retard. The people picking berries on farms are Ukrainians. Thais pick berries in the forest.
>>218796356IF YOU ATE TODAY THANK A FUCKING FARMER
>>218796813Gz you managed to read the description
>>218796721Just buy land. Any bank out there would thrilled to give you a loan if you marched in and said you will become a multimillionaire over night by becoming a farmer.
>>218795999Holly retardation and E.U brags about being smart.The ones bitching the most about this are the ones that produce meat that take advantage of the low capacity of E.U to produce it and therefore take advantage of the high prices, they will just have to adpat for the new competition. It's lobbeing 101, the same lobby you shit your pants when it's done by google or meta to the interest of few not to mention that if E.U doesnt take the agrremwnt it will lose ebwn more diplomatic power and fade more in to just a "battlefield". Imagime tropical fruits like bananas cheaper in E.U! The poor E.U banana farms what will be of them!
>>218794147You literally die without food retard, it's absolutely paramount that a nation maintains local food supply. It's why California literally dumps billions on irrigation to remain the largest food producer in the US despite being rich on tech, oil, aerospace and other heavy industries.
>>218793467>t. Village Yokel retard alcoholic farmer with subsidized 1 million euro john deere tractor
>>218796628>Vast majority still is farmed by methods from early 20th centuryAnd some how people have to pay more just because the historical museum farms of the historical museum continent want to still use outdated methods while also want to kepp relevance worldwide and worrying about the growinf influense of China and Russia. Lmao, complete clown behaviour.> Noooo don't force le lazy European farmerinos in to modern and more efficient methods of production nooooo!
>>218796993>growing influence of China>and RUSSIAAfter being mostly correct, this is where you shat yourself
>>218796798That feels surreal. Every family here has at least one person with hereditary rights to a farm unless their entire ancestral line was slaves. And even then you can just move west and settle empty land to farm if you don't even have that.
>>218796931Wow a flat place with some of the most sun in the world produces a lot of food? I'm shocked. That's why we must grow food in this frozen hellhole at 5 times the cost of just importing it.
>>218796931Meanwhile China bulldozing everyone with a high dependency of imported food. Yes, there is only the "U.S way".
>>218797084Sweden isn't a frozen hellhole. The south of the region has high agricultural potential. You're just looking for excuses to be strategically cucked
>>218797138So let them grow food at the market price. If they can, good for them. If they can't they should just have their business fail like any other
>>218797084That makes your entire country dependent on the whims of whoever exports that food.
I hate farmers since they've managed to be poor despite owning land, THE peak of wealth.
>>218797064Bro, I not gonna grab the link rn because I'm phoneposting, but there are French interviews where one of the guys saying that the deal is of utmost importance for the E.U cause otherwise is to throw the SAM to the arms of Russia and China being that market, influence and etc. And let me remind that even Bolsonaeo ours "le Russia, China bad" guy went to bad with them in the start of the Ukrainian war.
>>218797223Owning land means nothing when someone else owns you.
>>218797196Everyone is dependent on everyone else. We already live in a globalized economy.
>>218797229is this even in english
>>218793467Euro farmers will gain from getting the upper position in quality ratings. Don't take out a loss beforehand like some perpetually butthurt niglet.
>>218797256To be fair he is kinda right. In my city any family that have land ownership and have 2 digits IQ is in the upper middle class at least.
>>218793467I just wish for total farmers extermination
>>218797292You cant be this naive. Various countries are already using this as a weapon.
>>218797229Didnt understand your post. Rephrase please
>>218797369Which ones? I can only think of the embargos on Russia end N.K; Sure there is the whole Trump retardation, but that wasnt and embargo or trade cancelling with E.U and that isn't popular even between magatards.
>>218793467I think it's good that EU is self-sufficient in food but our farmers only survive on EU gibs so any extra production made for exports is retarded. Farmers are also the whiniest little faggots that cries if they don't get their special princess treatment. They should be grateful that their fellow citizens subsidize their work.
>>218797292I understand that you can't just make mineral fertilizer appear out of thin air, so there's no way but to import, but that's still naive.
>>218797462China with rare earths f.ex.
>>218796533I don't believe in living off government welfare
>>218793467you WILL eat our delicious meatyou WILL buy our planes and have a very safe travel to Spain
>>218797256owning land, especially one with easy groundwater access is the closest you'll get to a real life cheat sheet. You only need to reasearch the bare minimum and try and fail for a decade and you'll shoot into comfortable generational wealth. You need to TRY to be poor while owning land since it doesn't matter whoever owns you the basics are life are strictly in your hand forever.
>>218797138It's land getting exploited for new commie blocks, malls, parking lots and higher throughput traffic. We don't build skyscrapers due to the northern latitudes low sun. We don't say no to immigrants.We have braindead EU and ECB not accepting the de facto population limit and its consequences, despite having experienced them less than a century ago.
Most farmers complain that they have to comply with EU regulations in regards to sanitation and such, which are good and necessary but very costly, but then the EU allows the import of produce from countries like Morocco or SA that don't have the same regulations, thus producing cheaper, flooding the markets in unfair competition. This is literally one of the biggest complains and I don't understand how anyone could be against it.
>>218797503Not food and China only did that because the treats of Trump. And considering that it's a resource that can be use for weapons it makes sense. Same as Uranium countries doesnt go selling it to any other country with no criteria.
>>218797469>>218797552if anybody should, it's themthey're literally the basis of the entire societyyou're retarded
>>218797593but they should stop fucking crying about everythingif your business is a drain on the economy accept that you can't bend all of society to your will
>>218797590Yes, not food (yet). This was about the dangers of the so called "globalized economy". By the way, did you just compare rare earths to fucking uranium
>>218794256Dude what are you talking about, fuck our food supply we have the occasion of growing our GDP 0.1%! GLORY TO THE EU!
>>218797566The state can claim it. Usually for a good price but still, it's not ultimately the land owner's land but the state's.
>>218797593We don't live in the bronze age anymore, Pierre. Japan is only self-sufficient in rice, everything else is imported. Their other farmed goods are luxury items, but you don't see many struggling wagyu farmers do you?
>>218793467kys you braindead nigger. Agrojews are among the top scammers in Europe. Also, thanks for boycotting all the treaties with normal countries, and supporting the scam deal with Jeetland
>>218797589>SA that don't have the same regulations, thus producing cheaper, flooding the markets in unfair competition. Lies. Brazilian follows E.U regulations for years. You guys dom't even import if the place doesnt follow the rules. A.k.a Eu hallah. Idk how started that, but it's a lie.
>>218793467>it really do be like thisfarms are literally the biggest receivers of gibsmedats right after browns and blacks dougbitalso they make a shit ton of concessions like allowing them to keep using glyphosate
>>218797677The problem is that there's no proper control outside the EU and many produce, especially from Morocco, has been found to be from farms that don't align with EU regulations but then they export it through the ones that do supposedly follow them, it's basically a massive scam and why wouldn't it be.
>Brazilian follows E.U regulations for yearsYou are trying too hard to own the europeans, shut the fuck up already lmao
>>218796120Western farmers employ Eastern Euro slaves en masse who basically work for nothing, you dumbfuck
>>218797802Never heard of such cases here. In fact E.U cancelled the importation of Brazilian meat various times at the sllighteat supection of anything wrong and they suspend it for the whole country not for x and y producers. Not to mention and our own regulations and fiscalization is at a high level as it being the strongst industry in the country we have to show liability. Sure it can be true for other places, but i doubt it would be the case for Brazil.
>>218793467I don't get what this means or implies
>>218797864>who basically work for nothingnot by their home-country standards thoughfor ten euro a day you can feed a croatian family of 3 via Kaufland for a whole month
>>218797589It's bs because to sell in the EU you have to follow Euro regulations. Eurofarmers are simply mad no one will buy their grain fed slop and instead enjoy delicious grass fed meat
>>218797811You are poisoning the people living to close to the Big Farming's targets for glyphosate bombing.This is documented and our phara industry is longing for the quarterly "organic growth" ...
>>218797942It has only been a week since 91% of Santa Catarina has been hit with an unidentified mass diarrhea outbreak as he is typing this retardation. That state is our top exporter of pig meat, by the way.https://ndmais.com.br/saude/explosao-de-casos-de-diarreia-atinge-91-de-santa-catarina-veja-ranking-de-cidades/
>>218797942in the last year there were at least two big cases with moroccan produce having very high levels of toxic metals and 4x times the levels of abamectin (insecticide) allowed, the problem with this is that even if they get their produce retired when discovered it's still worth it for them on a macro level
>>218798007>>218798158
>>218793467yeahand miners too wish we put them in death camps
>>218797985And that's the problem. What is enabling the greed that is now killing farmers exposed to pesticides etc. Monocultures destroy the soils, releases CO2, compacts the soil which causes "climate catastrophes" like floods.Increasing economic efficiency and profits is a sure way to fail harder than the last time we extremists causing a world war.
>>218797985They make that much money because they work 12 hours a day for 6 days. I know some people who did that and they only made 4k to 6k euros (2 month stay).
>>218798378>4k to 6k eurosgross or net?
>>218798151It's emberrasing how you have know idea what you are talking about. You don't even read the link post that clearly says that it's concentrated in the litoral refion that is know to have sanitation problems during the turistic seasons, nothing to do with agroindustry or pig meat, but you showed from the start you arent very bright and that is the only (you) you will get from me. >>218798158Oh, I had no idead about this, but I feel that when it comes to the treath with mercosul there is a lot of prejudice. Not that I think that E.U should give up on it's regulation, but Brazil has being work along E.U to meet it's standards the whole way the animals are killed and dealt were changed because our trade with E.U. And so far that I'm aware Brazilian prosuction are inspected and tested kn arrival before it goes to the public market.
>>218798446net
>>218798477that aint too bad desu
>>218797622Why can't you retards just understand that you really do DIE if you don't have food? Farming isn't just some random business and in many countries it's actually ILLEGAL to not farm if you own farmland. Farmers are OBLIGATED by society to farm AND to do it in a certain way that is EXPENSIVE. Society is making them do all that and they're trying to tell society that they can't make ends meet doing all that and then retards like you cry about how they should be grateful for everything you do for them. You people are just unimaginably retarded.
>>218797084>California>FlatFuck off tardshill
>>218798464Hey aspergers fag, if you read more than a single paragraph, you would realize that the "concentration" you claim to exist is 1 thousand cases out of 21 thousand, and that 288 municipalities out of 295 have registered a diarrhea case this year. That is definitely not "concentrated on the litoral refion" you inbred. Maybe read the fucking article if you are gonna me out for NOT READING it?
>>218798657Wow almost like they farm in the flat places.
>>218797084California is not flat, except in the Central Valley, you the slow.
>>218798657>>218798764There is more agricultural land in the central valley than there is agricultural land in the whole of Sweden.
>>218798886>>218798764Yes you should maintain the ability to produce all required food locally even if it's expensive. War, trade disputes or all sorts of shit could happen.>>218798764
>>218797177Peak dumb nigger thinking.
>>218797652the good price in question is still enough for multi generational level of wealth here, I do concede that there are cases where people get bullied into selling their land at a discount but those are rare.
>>218799380Why? We import all the fertilizer anyway. If that gets cut off we would starve anyway.
>>218799380This is retarded, just don't get involved in stupid counterproductive wars>>218799402Oh the irony from an autarkist
>>218799513>just opt out of the war if it's bad for you
>>218799571Switzerland became the richest country on the planet by doing this.
>>218794147
>>218799692people do say that dough
>>218799380euro cunts are each cash cropping for 'comparative benefits'should we balkanize then we'd lose a lot of volume trying to grow each crop ourselves The US flyovers produces grains and coastal states the citrus and nuts, I think. It is only logical not wasting good locations for something worse can do.
>>218799605It wasn't up to Switzerland if Hitler attacks or not.
>>218796821Thank yourself. It's your own money that subsidizes 90% of farming. Plus you pay taxes over food.
>>218800526thrvke
>>218794256>>218796144>>218796615>>218796931If you don't have a native fertilizer industry, which most countries never will, your obsession with agricultural autarky is always going to fail. But the reality is that almost all nations need to import their fertilizer, therefore autarky in food is impossible as much as it is in any other field that people accept they can't be self-sustaining in. Somehow you've all come to believe that modern farming is about farmers and that its not a chemical engineering industry.
>>218796931Removing food tariffs and becoming a big food importer was one of the best decisions the UK ever made historicallyThough to be fair that only had such a big impact because historically the price of food as a percent of peoples wages was much higher, so reducing the price had a huge impact
>>218794147As long as those factory workers, code monkeys and farmers are native Europeans, we should protect them, no matter what
>>218794147thisGET FUCKEDTOTAL FARMER DEATH
>>218795798lol notheyre the biggest users of cheap imported labor
>>218794147But farmers never had a choice because the food supply is controlled by glowies who rate fix and subsidize and Jew anyone who defies them to death. And you fucking know it, too.
>>218798183Then just test the meat
>>218796931and i'll die without doctors and i'll die without soldiers protecting my country and i'll die without engineers and truckers keeping the entire thing running and i'll die without x and xwhy the fuck do farmers get this special treatment? suck my dick
The Agricultural Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
if turks want your local farmers to die... >>218801165>>218801106>>218801074>>218800610
>>218801176please don't reply to me ever again you worthless subhuman monkey
>>218801170Agreed, humanity would be better off if we lived like Bushmen
>>218795887>they arent threatened in any meaningful way by the agreementYou'll just allow huge amounts of extra food products created with non-EU standards into EU at cheaper prices, but it will NOT impact the farmers in any way, I'm sure...
>>218801867>huge amounts of extra food products created with non-EU standardsDumbass, the EU is notorious for basically cockblocking imports at any time it feels like it. The farmers outside of EU will always have an uphill battle no matter how compliant they are because the farmer lobby is that powerful. This ain't flooding cheap as fuck chicken into small as fuck markets.
>>218798641>try to brute force certain crops/livestock despite being at a total disadvantage versus the competition vs acrually going in something you are competitive at.>still try to scream for more help even after already getting so much assistance and draining subsidies from the farmers that actually do basic market research.Why feed the monster?
>>218794147what is even your point?are you some brownoid hating white people so much that you wish for a south africa or zimbabwe style collapse by replacing all the white farmers?
>>218794147>Growing food? We DON'T DO THAT in Sverige.
