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I only speak English, Korea, Japanese

>>218796449
*Korean

For two decades, I’ve wrestled with English, pouring countless hours into its labyrinthine rules and nuances, yet it remains an unfathomable puzzle, a verbal labyrinth that drives me to the brink of mental exhaustion. Each attempt to speak feels like wading through thick fog, making me question my brain function. In contrast, after just three years of immersing myself in Japanese, I find a surprising ease. Its rhythms and sounds flow through me like a stream.

>>218797090
Your English in this post is excellent, probably more elaborate than most Americans could write lol

>>218796231
>What language(s) are you learning?
French is my strongest. Trying to grow a little bit or at least maintain it. Trying to maintain my Italian too, though it's less of a priority. I also know Esperanto. Trying to start with Portuguese because I'm dating a Brazilian

>>218797538
I can't speak it in real life, though.

>>218797090
Didn't you say you spoke it better than me? Keep looking at chatgpt generated charts.

>>218798066
I'm sorry, I know I generalize. I've spoken with people from all over trying to improve my English, but the only non native speakers I've come across who are better than me are mainly from Northern Europe and the Netherlands.

I grew up a bit distorted mentally because I was hit at an English academy when I was young. Please understand.

What I am obsessed with is the native's bloody verbal speed and the emotional thing when they speak the language

I can only speak English if I think of myself as a robot and exclude all emotions.

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When I was in middle school. I forced to learn English. I would get hit with a cane every time I got an English word wrong. I had dozens of English vocabulary words to memorize as homework every day.

>>218797837
go be that anime girl that only talks to people through writing because she's too shy but instead you're a korean man

>>218798947
I would rather hit my head against the wall to get the language syndrome

>>218798555
Hab gehört, dass das koreanische Bildungssystem krass ist, aber für Fehler gepeitscht zu werden ist eine ganz andere Hausnummer.

>>218796449
That's very cool

>>218791406
Watch based Bluey

>>218781684
Sorry, I did check, i should have said I cant find it with subtitles. Probably I'm gonna use youtube-dl and then use OpenAI to generate subtitles for myself.

>>218784559
>I am too easily swayed because now I'm doing beginner Portuguese input. Thanks for the nudge in a direction anon, otherwise I probably would've just procrastinated for another two weeks.
Good luck. if you want suggestions for PT-PT, the Portuguese with Leo podcast (he has one for beginners and also for intermediates) is great as it has transcripts. If you don't mind paying money, PracticePortuguese is great too.

Estas glaciigite ĉe mi. Estas eble danĝere aŭton konduki hodiaŭ

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>>218796231
/lang/ deader than tocharian B

>>218802275
Are you living in Portugal now? I recently started learning pt-pt as well and moving to Portugal is an option for me in the future.
From just learning Portuguese how much Spanish can you understand? Reading I imagine is pretty easy? I already am B2 in French and I wanted to understand both Spanish and Portuguese, but I have more irl opportunities in Portugal and my local university was offering a Portuguese night class
It's been a breeze so far thanks to knowing French.

Watched a Dreaming Spanish vid with Language Reactor. I have autopause on and listen to every line chunk 2 or 3 times.

>>218806728
enjoy fossilization

>>218807040
I don't believe in it

I can't do it bros. I can't listen to another beginner level language learning podcast about the weather or morning routines or cultural events in *insert TL country*. I want to skip to the part where I can just listen to audiobooks and watch tv.

it feels like output is so slow. im improving but it just moves so slowly.

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Kion vi faris ĉitage? Mi ĵus promenis min kun amiko en la arbaro

>>218801151
Being fluent in these three languages is the most common case among trilingual speakers, and so it's not special at all, imc.

What do you think about middle welsh

it's pretty middle of the road.

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>>218796231
I know you're not supposed to compare yourself to others but holy shit am I a btfo brainlet compared to old language learners.

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i have a huge problem

I can undersanding 80% of what I read. I can understand 50% of what I hear

but when it comes to outputting my mind blanks and I have to spend a lot of time thinking of words to use

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>>218811157
You know how in the Sims you can grind charisma by practicing talking in the mirror? Just get reps in of speaking.

>>218805857
>Are you living in Portugal now?
Yes, almost 8 months.
>I recently started learning pt-pt as well and moving to Portugal is an option for me in the future.
Nice. i assume the potential move is what motivated your learning?

It's relatively easy to get your paperwork and things done here to live if you have EU citizenship. Even though many adminstrative processes have English speakers or have the English language available, you are much better off being able to use the language comfortably. My portuguese is not great, but oftentimes i find that even if many portuguese people insist on using english with me, we can cut through communication barriers much more easily if we compromise with my portuguese instead of their english. so, it helps a lot.

>From just learning Portuguese how much Spanish can you understand?
No idea, very little? I have almost 0 exposure to any spanish but sometimes have talked with spanish tourists and we could more or less understand one another.

>Reading I imagine is pretty easy?
spanish, right? I can "read" spanish much more easily because I can see the correspondence with portuguese words and recognize some spanish words that i've memorized because they are common (hacer, poder, the articles, etc.)

>I already am B2 in French and I wanted to understand both Spanish and Portuguese, but I have more irl opportunities in Portugal and my local university was offering a Portuguese night class
>It's been a breeze so far thanks to knowing French.
if you like the country and language i would say go for it.

the main downsides of living here i can say are what any native would tell you: lower wages and high taxes. culturally it's a much different, and for me, generally better place than the US.

>>218811157
I had the same issue. I thought it was a problem but I saw some people talking about it. Apparently it is so common they even have a name for it. Tip of the tongue. You know the word but it just won't come out. Basically I just spoke more and it started improving.

>>218811157
How much do you expect to be able to say? 20%, 30% of what you think?
Your normal, baseline thoughts are probably just too complex to be expressed with your current level, so if you try to simplify your thoughts to the most basic like "this is an [object]" or "i am hungry", you'll have a better shot of something coming out of you. Start as small as you can, then keep inpooting and checking up on your output and seeing if the needle moves.

>>218797090
>language that is similar to native language is easier than one that is very different
craziest shit ever, you should write a book

>>218797685
>I also know Esperanto.
Kiel vi, samideano? Malofte mi vidas E-istojn tie ĉi. Domaĝe, ke Verda-chan ne estas pli aktiva, ĉu ne?

>>218809007
Kek

I've started thinking of words at work and then trying to think about what the TL word is
Today I thought of ear and somehow oreille popped into my mind but then I got confused because I remember reading Fleurs du mal and there's a bit about 'sur l'oreille du mal' but I knew it was actually pillowcase in that example and then I realised that it's oreiller kind of like an earer, hopefully I don't get the two confused again
I hope I can bring my active vocabulary up with this because my work doesn't require any brain function to do

Also I did 2 chapters of Russian Through Reading today
This does seem pretty promising so thanks to the anon who mentioned it here months ago
I've done crude OCR on it and am running it through an AI to correct the mistakes caused by stress marks because I'm too lazy to correct them myself

There is a youtube reel which has a story about a English learner in Korea

Someone who studied English hard for several years in Korea and then moved to the State said,
> I hear the phrase like "What brings you here?" first time. I thought
>Wow so that's how they speak it! That sounds kind of poetic! (무엇이 당신을 이곳으로 불렀습니까?)
> How do they speak like this?

Many Koreans in Korea shocked, Native speakers rocked.

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Just learnt Arabs are racist too.
Didn't expect this

Recently heard about a linguistic maneuver
It assumes that each new language will go easier, so if you hit a plato in your TL around B1 or higher you switch to a new language and grind it for a month or two, then go back to your TL to continue much faster
How true is this?

>>218816810
this assumes that you're picking similar languages both grammatically and syntactically, not accounting for any decay that'll occur in your original language and overall all it does is shift time that could've been used on the original language towards another language, that'll then also experience decay once you quit studying it
this really doesn't seem useful unless you need to study multiple languages at once and even then it's probably a better idea to just do them simultaneously and not in weird 2 month shifts

>>218807040
isn't that for output?

Anki Pro: Someone comes over and canes you when you get a card wrong.

>>218812472
Mi estis ĉi tie tre ofte antaŭ kelkaj jaroj. Mi faras iom bone, malgraŭ la malvarmecego, la neĝo, kaj la glacio kiuj malfaciligas vojaĝi en mia kvartalo. Mi kredeble faros panon

Random story from a recent work trip where I language mogged someone:
>event in america
>attendees mostly american but not all
>ended up speaking a little italian, german, and french (and I mean only a little since I haven't studied those in years and only remember a few phrases)
>and a couple other languages with a friendly german guy
>american lady then says something to me to try to trip me up
>wtf was that, some kind of arabic?
>shoot off the one fancy sentence I know in iraqi arabic
>she says "god dammit" and laughs
>i guessed correctly
gg

>>218796231
>the comprehensible input wiki has Cook Islands Māori, Niuean, Toki Pona, Sardinian, New Zealand Sign Language, 5 typles of Arabic but not Persian
there's truly no hope

>>218818400
Ĉu vi partoprenas ĉeestajn E-aranĝojn? En kiu regiono vi estas? Mi estas nordoriente en la lando.

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bruh

>>218819542
Mi estas en la meza-Atlantika regiono. Ĉe la golfeto Ĉesapika

>>218820341
Ĉu vi iam ĉeestis NASK?

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>>218815220
lel

>>218820441
Me ne ankoraŭ ĉeestis Esperantistan aranĝon. Kiel estas?

>>218820599
Tre bone, vi nepre venu ĉi-jare se eble.

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I saw this while reading and thought there was a mistake

>>218807040
what is fossilization?

>>218822162
Mistakes ingrained by making them often.

>>218820631
Kiel oni ĉeestus?

>>218810071
comfy. the Mabinogion would be fun to read

>>218822407
ah. So like how Dreaming Spanish says not to even attempt output until you have like 600 hours of input, otherwise you'll build bad habits?

I'm watching capeshit in my TL

Latin is going well but crikey, you retain the information learnt but actually retrieving it can be a pain and you get things mixed up.

>>218823497
what's your TL and how far along are you? I'm just starting to understand the Intermediate videos in Dreaming Spanish and am wondering if it's worth marathoning Spanish dubs of the MCU, knowing that a lot of it won't be comprehensible.

Spanish and I'm pretty advanced in terms of listening and reading comprehension. Dreaming Spanish is already often too slow for me but I still watch it sometimes if the topic interests me.
I think dubbed movies might still be too advanced for you but you could try powering through it if you're feeling motivated.

>>218824102
>>218824470

Any tips on how to PROPERLY consume media to learn a language (in this case French)?
Do I just let the movie/show play out like normal and hope I eventually pick it up, or do I go back and repeat after every sentence until I understand? Do I watch with subtitles (same language as audio), or will that distract from listening?

>>218824824
What I do is watch something that has subtitles available that match the audio as closely as possible, but I keep the subtitles off. When I can't understand something, I relisten a few times, and if I still can't understand it, I check the subs.
If it seems like a useful line of dialogue (unknown word, connected speech, etc.), then I make an anki card from it. Audio front, TL text back.

I also listen to podcasts, but these are just to get some minimal extra input in while doing other shit. Podcasts are actually harder since there is no visual context, but I just listen continuously regardless if I understand.

>>218818925
this is the only real Persian CI I found on YouTube but she only made 3 videos
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcOmYEmy0w5ugietm3fw8MOMi25A9TAsZ

Alternatives to Peppa Pig for A1/2 CI? Fuck that bitch, I wanna watch spongebob but my level is too low

>>218825438
Bluey but it might be harder than A2

>>218824824
I mostly do this >>218825083
FWIW, DreamingSpanish (which is pretty respectable when it comes to language learning theory) says not to do this. They don't put subtitles on most of their videos and say you aren't supposed to be rewinding or making flash cards or even consciously trying to learn at all, you're just supposed to watch. The idea is that this is basically how children naturally learn a language.
But, a lot of people ignore that advice and have good results anyway, and I hate when I don't understand something. I'm the type of person who will rewind and add subtitles to an English-language movie so I don't miss any lines.

The big trick is to make sure it's comprehensible (IE, very low level for beginners, like Sesame Street stuff). My biggest mistake has been trying to advance too quickly, since the lowest level content is boring and I wanted to watch more interesting stuff. But even most kids cartoons are way beyond what a beginner should watch.

Idk if there's a French equivalent to Dreaming Spanish, but DS is very good for Super Beginner and Beginner content.
Also look up the show called Extra, it's a sitcom with versions in English, French, Spanish, and German made specifically for beginners. It's kind of a high beginner level, the first time I watched it was a version with English and Spanish subtitles and I needed the English subtitles a lot. But I watched it again after I was better at Spanish and didn't even need Spanish subtitles most of the time even though I was still kind of a beginner.

>>218818925
you WILL learn to communicate with deaf kiwis and you WILL like it

>>218825696
Dreaming Spanish also does Dreaming French although I think it's pretty new so there may not be a ton of content

>>218819968
>nous nous
>we we

>>218826904
In French, nous means both we and us, or in this case, ourselves.
"We ourselves are called ____"

suprenigo

>>218822793
Pretty much

Which is more impossible : Magyarul/hungarian or Finnish/Suomen kieli? Or are they all actually just impossible to comprehend?

>>218826904
s'appeler

>>218822459
Necesas antaŭe aliĝi per interreto kaj pagi kotizon. Ĉi-jare ĝi okazos en Klevlando kune kun la usona-kanada dulanda kongreso. Se vi ne emas veni al tiom granda kunveno almenaŭ serĉu proksiman klubon. Samkiel en ĉiu lingvo oni plibonigas sian kapablon parolante kun aliuloj.

>>218827764
No, it's literally "we call ourselves". "We ourselves are called" would be "nous memes nous appellons".

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remembering words NEVER becomes easier

>>218815220
I laughed, but what the fuck are you talking about?

>>218826904
>>218827764
I think you can do it like this in Portuguese too

>Nós nos chamamos Paulo e Maria Dumas.

>>218819404
you are giving yourself ai psychosis, but if you do it in english it counts as input

>>218827764
How about "vous vous", I see this all the time and idk what they mean by it. Seems almost interchangeable with "si vous" but that can't be right

>>218832726
The first vous is subject and the second vous is object. Vous vous X = you X yourself/yourselves/each other.

>>218832726
Just imagine the first vous is tu and the second one is te.

>>218824824
>go back and repeat
If you're an autist who likes to rewatch the same shit over and over, then sure. That's not the "official" method though and the concept they offer is that the more variety you get the better. There are a lot of good youtube channels for french that are beginner-friendly but not literally peppa pig. Never use english subtitles, french subs are okay. Try to pay attention to it, even if it's at your level, if it's just playing in the background while you shitpost (I do this all the time btw) it's not nearly as effective as if you're focused and trying to understand the whole time. I've also seen the suggestion to take an old favorite in english and watch it through in TL if available, since you will already basically "understand" everything and know the plot and characters and you can just load up on vocabulary within that framework. Maybe I should binge through all of TNG in french

>>218825179
thanks king

آپ سب کیسے ہیں؟

quemacocos is sunroof in Spanish

I HATE COLLOQUIALISMS
I HATE IDIOMATIC EXPRESSIONS
I HATE SLANG
I HATE DIALECTS
FUCK MY RETARDED LANGCEL LIFE

>>218834517
this is the only stuff i actually like

>>218834517
You know what they say and all that.

>>218834770
> You know what they say and all that
I don't know what they say

I searched for this meaning because I didn't know it yesterday. And I was shocked. I probably wouldn’t have been able to use that expression if I were explaining the same context. I would have probably expressed it in a longer way, mentioning that I recorded my time.

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>>218835304
>clock in
sorry I mean this,

anyone else been having problems with ankiconnect? seems i can no longer use it with asbplayer

how do I train output as beginner one week in?

>>218836754
Don't.

>>218824824
you watch with TL subtitles and with word lookup. If you can follow most of it and it makes sense there's no need to repeat watch. If you can't understand it you should repeat watch until you can understand it

>>218819968
Don't pretend that that isn't something that happens in english

>>218819968
I don't think that that's that strange. Do you do?

>>218819968
My friend asked me if I wanted to eat. I said I already had had two apples and he said that that was ok because he had had two too.

>>218819968
Before I saw the replies I wasn't sure what the funny thing was supposed to be, I thought it was the name "Dumas" because it looks like "Dumbass"

Starting Japanese was one of the worst ideas I've ever had
Now I can't touch anything Japanese after having quit
Everyday I go to work and I see something like 指にご注意してください but I can't start Japanese again

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>>218837620
Goddamn it I'm listening to the violent cop soundtrack and I see this comment
> 晴れた日に独りで歩く時のテーマ

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSKplCtDAEt/

What is this Russian song

>>218830782
Hungarian is less inviting in the beginning becausze of the orthography. I think beyond that they're about equally hard.

But please choose a language already.

>>218836754
Pimsleur

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>>218832773
>Maybe I should binge through all of TNG in french
but nobody speaks French in the future.

I thought I finally unlocked how to roll Rs

It turns out I just lost my voice

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kill kantou
sex kagoshima
marry kansai

Where do you start with Chinese?

>>218842995
New practical Chinese reader 1

>>218843019
How much is it? Is it online?

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Honestly it is so bloody weird to me how German and Spanish and French are like "there is no hot water" like it is some philosophical statement, like the concept of hot water has ceased to exist in the universe, proper existential crisis in the shower, innit. Meanwhile in Korean we are basically like "hot water is not coming out" because shit, the hot water is supposed to come out of the tap. It is not some rare thing you either have or do not have, it is literally in the pipes, it is meant to show up. Where has it gone mate, why is it not coming out, why am I standing here getting flashbacks to winter, dripping and furious, because it is not about existence, it is about failure, it is about betrayal. The tap is lying to me, the boiler is ghosting me, the water is out there somewhere and it is refusing to come out. And then I see "No hay agua caliente" or "Es gibt kein heißes Wasser" or "Il n'y a pas d'eau chaude" and I am like okay cool but why are you lot acting like hot water is an item in a cupboard that is missing, as if someone checked inventory and went "yep, we are out of hot water today, sorry lads". Nah nah nah, in my head the hot water is a person who was meant to arrive and just did not turn up, absolute flake. And the whole vibe of Korean is like stuff "comes out" or "does not come out" because we care about what actually happens in real life, not this calm "there is there is not" shit, because I am not calmly observing reality, I am freezing and I want to report the crime shit. the hot water is not COMING OUT, full stop. Like do not tell me it "is not there", it should be there, it is late, it is cancelled, it is not showing up, and you are telling me French is over there doing the whole "il n'y a pas" like it is a polite dinner conversation while I am basically shouting at the shower like "oi, where is the warm one, come on, do not do me dirty". Bloody languages man, same situation, totally different mental model is needed

>>218843209
You can probably find it on Anna's archive
I think it's about $25 if you want a physical copy

>>218843209
looks to be this one
libgen .is/book/index.php?md5=D32155CD4D252C01CF8F02BC0B63F4CD
annas-archive .li/md5/d32155cd4d252c01cf8f02bc0b63f4cd
practically every worthwhile textbook has been reuploaded to either anna's archive or libgen

>>218844175
Don't provide links to people here, they should learn how to use libgen zlib and AA themselves
Teach a man to fish and all that

>>218838477
seemingly sped up version of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-z95ev64s

>>218843337
The hot water is not there thoughbeit (meaning it’s not in the location I am expecting/wanting it to be).

>>218841708
kill kantou
no sex without marriage
marry touhoku

>>218840030
I thought I didn't know how to rolls rs but it turned out I have been able to do it since I was kid, I just didn't know how to put them into a sentence. I still need to practice but I'm getting there. Nearly all the youtube videos on how to do it are shit, it's not easy to do, slightly raise your tongue, yet keep it relaxed, and then blow and it should vibrate. Don't pull the tip up, just lift the tongue up slightly but keep it loose and then blow.

>>218819404
why are all of you koreans mentally ill maniacs?

I make so many mistakes speaking in french.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trdd3eG9zFw
fun resource for korean. marko's voice is uncanny with the original, and the other voices are all really good. overall i think the korean version is the best.

I watch 김수박, she always speaks at a beginner level

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Do you ever look at how many hours you logged into something and think of what else you could've done in that timeframe?
Between the paradox games I play, I've logged nearly 4,000 hours. Just think of the amount of languages I could've learned in the same time frame bros...

>>218852248
yea as im getting older i want to kill myself more since i know i shouldn't be wasting my time but I still do

What level do you have to get to in a language to not immediately lose it all if you don't touch it for like a year? A2? B1?

>>218853483
I think B1. I got to at least B1/B2 in Italian and then stopped for over a year. The fundamentals are still there. I’ve forgotten a lot of the vocabulary, but it starts coming back quickly after some review.

>>218853483
I was b2 in Spanish, stopped for almost 4 years now... but it's still there, just waiting to come back. I can read ok but speaking and listening is not good. writing non-existent
my gf got to like b1 in Arabic but has completely forgotten it all after 2 years

>>218843337
there is no hot water (in my shower, right now) and i literally have a tank full of hot water in my basement that should be full and hot, so if i don't have hot water coming out of the tap, surely i am out of stock of hot water

>>218852248
Yeah that's why I'm here, I have wasted time OCD where I have to be super optimized all the time otherwise I hate myself but I can't actually deliver on the no-wasted-time schedule genuinely so I do copes like watching netflix in TL so my wasted time is slightly less wasted

What do you think about middle welsh

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I fucking hate japanese
Its so nice but exremely time consuming and hard and has this cursed reputation, literally no one must know I am learning it
Sometimes the utility goblins in my had tell that I need to learn something more useful or respectful, french maybe? Will women start backflipping when I talk to them or algo?

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what's the best way to learn mandarin from scratch?

>>218854612
put in the time
do the work
learn the radicals
talk to natives (in Chinese ONLY)

>>218854632
where is a good place to talk to natives in mandarin?

>>218852248
I could have learned Chinese like 3 times over and still took less time than I did playing PDX's shitty GroBPreuBBen generators.

>>218854919
China

Easiest and hardest languages for native english speakers excluding difficulty of writing system (only speaking and understanding speech)
And only including major languages (10m+ speakers)

hardest:
Korean>Japanese>Arabic>Mandarin>Thai>Vietnamese>Russian>Turkish>Hindi

Easiest:
Spanish>Afrikaans>Swedish/Norwegian>Danish>Indonesian>Italian>French>Portuguese

>>218854007
Does it really have a bad reputation among zoomers? back when I was a kid/teenager everyone loved japan. In 8th grade girls used to do the group dancing shit to J-Pop songs during recess

>>218846041
Its their culture

>>218843337
따뜻한 물 없어

>>218855182
Other germanic languages are far easier than romance languages when it comes to comprehending speech. The cadence being the same is a massive boost, whereas romance language cadence feels like a blur, especially Spanish. On day 1 of learning German I could transcribe everything accurately because the mode of talking is so similar.

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>>218855182
how did you arrive to this conclusion
also, Japanese speaking/understanding speech should probably be much easier
Also I'm sure some of those African Bantu languages with nasal/aspirated/unaspirated/voiced/breathy voiced/click distinctions and like 8 tones are probably the hardest
there are 12 million Zulu speakers, so it counts
good luck with that one whiteboy

>>218855182
Also another brutal Hiroshima-level trvthnvke or whatever: characters make Chinese easier, getting rid of them makes it harder

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>>218854007
The only languages "worth" learning in the modern age are English, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese. Just learn whatever interests you and ignore the rest. That's why I chose Japanese for weeb stuff.

>Will women start backflipping
It's not worth spending hundreds of hours on a language just so you can impress women for a few minutes. They lose interest just as easily as they gain it. And even then, the language with the best cost performance for getting a girl is probably Spanish for the Americas and Chinese for Russia. それとも、女性はそんな優しさに値しないw

>>218855286
We don't say it like that when it comes to the context of the shower or the tap water

>>218855969
>Japanese
hahahahaha ok weeb

You don’t mind me spitting some Chinese right?
最近我没有足够的时间学习中文,所以我感觉进度很缓慢… 顺便问你们这个问题,玩电子游戏是不是一个好方法?我在玩崩坏星穹铁道,感觉挺好的,但这里的语言我认为不太实用。我试过看电视剧这个方法,然而我对它们没有什么兴趣。

>>218843337
the murky sprawling labyrinth of the white man's psyche is beyond your ability to comprehend
we are mysterious as the dark side of the moon

>>218855969
You forgot Russian

>>218855969
if youre a tall/good looking white guy learning any east asian language to fluency basically gives you free selection of asian cuties

Is it truly over? I have comprehensibly inputted for thousands of hours and made no progress. I know almost every word. My net vocabulary is ~20,000 and my active learning time is approaching 6000 hours. I am barely progressing through A1. Did /lang/ bullshit us all?

>>218856813
might be over, but if you have 20k words then how is it that you think you're still A1

>>218856830
CEFR levels are not based on total vocabulary.

>>218856843
yeah, but vocabulary is part of it. what are you missing? i imagine after 6000 hours of input you can string together a couple sentences off the dome which, coupled with a healthy vocabulary, pretty much takes you to like B1 at least. if it's just because you haven't been grammarfagging and your ability to answer questions like
>conjugate X in the abdicative intransmutable 5th person prophetic case
then don't worry about it, fuck 'em

>>218856929
I have grammarfagged. I've done everything. I know all of the grammar, the vocabulary, and if I read off of a script, people tell me I sound like a native speaker. But I'm A1. I can't function in the language. I struggle with basic conversation. I can recognize every word in a book and still not understand the content.

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>>218856813
I thought you were making "gains NEVER before thought possible" and that you would shock everyone "especially the Serb"?

>>218856985
If you know all the grammar and the vocabulary then this
>recognize every word in a book and still not understand the content
Is not possible. The content is the words. If you know the words, and the grammar features associating them to each other, you understand the content.

>>218856988
You lied to me. I followed every advice that you posted and it was all a lie.
>>218857001
No.

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>>218857015
Deep down you don't want to be fluent and you believe you deserve to be a monolingual. As soon as you encounter some gains you self-sabotage because you're afraid of success. But here's the thing, you're already fluent! You just have to accept it. Stand in front of the mirror and say "I am worthy of fluency. I am worthy of the admiration of natives. I am no longer afraid of letting fluency into my life." and so on.

>>218857148
What is this self-help bullshit?

>>218857166
Tell me about your mother.

holy fucking shit spanish is so fast with native speakers

>>218857195
She's nice. She gave me a bunch of chocolates for my birthday two days ago.

>>218857217
Speed stops being an issue after some time. It's the mumbling/poor enunciation that gets me.

>>218857277
Wait until you discover mumble rap in your TL.

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>>218857286
Yeah I have no chance.

>>218856813
how many hours of speaking practice?

>>218857625
Dozens. But speaking practice is not important.

Goddamn it idk if I should start Japanese again

>>218857634
It is.

>>218857716
It's not. Only input is important. Right, Serbposter?

>>218857713
You should, and you will.

>>218857768
I read one page of Japanese last night sadly but this morning I had an existential crisis
Idk what happened to my old anki deck, fuck

korean or japanese?

>>218857790
Existential crises means the language learning process is working. Wagmi

>>218857802
japanese

>>218857760
I don't know anymore. Your extremely comedic failure has caused me to re-think some things. We must invent radically new methods to cover such special edge cases like you and Jordie.

>>218857833
Do not compare me to Jordie. We're nothing alike. I chose and committed to a language for years.

>>218857836
You're on opposite ends of the spectrum, but the results are still the same: permastuck at A0.

>>218857824
does it because that shit hits hard sometimes

>>218857852
And you're on the spectrum.

Owned.

Do not reply further.

>>218857836
Calm down Leafjordie

>>218857870
I was here before Jordie. Use my proper name or gtfo.

>>218857859
It hits hard because you care deeply. And that passion will drive you to great places once you get out of the dark.

My existential crisis from my TL is that I'll never be a Pole. I'll never have grown up in Poland speaking Polish natively. I won't even reincarnate into a Pole. This has inspired feelings of giving up and no longer living.

>>218857909
based translingual

>>218857909
get a serious brain injury and take a bunch of psychedelics and go to poland. this will re-open a developmental neuroplasticity period in your brain and you will learn polish

>>218857982
I was wondering actually if drinking would facilitate speaking/conversation practice. If it would help me open up, could the benefits last into sobriety?

>>218858018
I definitely speak Spanish better when I'm drinking, so it might work for you

hilariously low IQ thread, what a joyride it’s been to read this garbage

>>218857878
never really thought of it that way

>>218858475
sorry

>>218858689
you are special. you are scared. your thoughts are valid. you matter. you are brave. you are eating hair. i love you.

>>218857982
>take a bunch of psychedelics
Anybody tried acidmaxxing for language acquisition? If the computer faggots can microdose to get better at coding then why can't we do it

>>218858833
I'm the computer faggot

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what do you call this shape in your TL

>>218858875
Two semicircles of different sizes attached.

>>218858875
Koreans would say
>an egg in an egg
>알 안에 알

has anyone tried solo journaling rpg games for language learning?

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>>218857380
>>218857380
Imagine being one of these native language learner youtubers

Dreaming Spanish has people that have some amount of talent, and creativity and are able to come up with skits.

show they'll do some dance and put on a show, with obviously a lot of effort put into it

then
>laaaa caaasaaaa eees roooJooo

and that's your whole life

>>218858875
Une demi-sphère avec un noyau convexe

>>218843337
Idk how hot water works in Korea, but in the US, we typically have a big tank called a water heater. This heats up the water, and then when we turn the hot water on, it uses the hot water from this tank. A hot shower uses hot water faster than it gets heated up, so if multiple people take showers in the morning then we do in fact run out of hot water. There is no hot water left in the tank. It will eventually be heated up, but at that moment, there is no more hot water left.

>>218860250
Idk about the internal
Hot water not coming out is a case that happens once every five years, in South Korea

is there a free version of language reactor yet? it's not really doing anything special that a local run open source program couldn't do

>>218858833
im planning to start microdosing on psilocybin soon for language/music improvements unironically

>>218861551
start macrodosing on psyllium husk to improve your shitgains

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Is there a reason why macacos do have imageboard culture and latinx dont?

>>218854007
>utility
When will this meme die?

>>218858875
蘑菇
头盔

>>218854007
>I need to learn something more useful or respectful, french maybe?
Japanese is fairly useful because the japanese refuse to learn any other language. French is definitely not more useful than japanese because francophones are either niggers or they don't want you to speak french.

>>218854007
English is the only language foreign women care about. They will want to speak with you in English. Even the jap women will want to practice their English.

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Madainn mhath, a charaidean! Ciamar a tha sibh? Dè tha thu ag ionnsachad? Tha mi gu math, ach chan eil mo ròs Gàidhealach.

>>218861477
check out lute

>>218863895
Hispachan? Come on now.

>Sehnenscheidenentzündung
>tendinitis

lel what a mouth full

Thank God for /lang/.

>>218867684
just talk faster

>>218867743
/lang/ is Satan's doing, thougheverbeit.

>>218868597
You're your own worst demon, canadian, don't blame a webpage for it

>>218868968
If /lang/ weren't demonic, why does it always lie about the effectiveness of language learning methods, and tempt you to learn meme languages like Spanish or French?

I'll just hit you with an ad hominem and call you a fat retard just for these
>meme languages like Spanish or French
>effectiveness of language learning methods
If you can't sort the wheat from the chaff within your own mind then you'll stay A in whatever language you're doing. You don't even get a number to go with it, not even a zero.

Words I learned today:
insouciant
venery
exchequer
coterminous
fissiparous
eremitical

what about you

i had dream where a white guy was speaking my language but i couldnt understand him at all

>>218798555
>>218801075
Zoomers no longer experience this.

>>218870506
please don't start a cargo cult; not that you would've, but you shouldn't anyways.

>>218866773
Bad its dead for years and nobody cares...

>>218871177
what?

>>218871658
but* shit am I becoming dyslexic

>>218863895
>>218871708
I think there are hispanic boards on 8ch

It took me 3 tries to post this because mentioning it is considered spam

getting there with french
now i just need to figure out what to do once i make it

i regret learning languages I hate every country

>>218856396
I think playing games is pretty inefficient outside of VNs and other similar stuff that is both text-heavy and requires you to actually read and understand everything. You could try VNs translated to Chinese or natively in Chinese. Other than that I suggest videos and livestreams on Bilibili, if you're not already watching them. China is a very big country with many Chinese, so surely you can find something that appeals to you after searching and going through complete dogshit for a few hundred hours. I once saw a guy who did nothing but livestream himself playing WoW3 MP with a Touhou mod, and another who would only post videos of Red Alert 2 and his fucking Cookie mod for it. You can't get content this bizarrely specific without an extremely large population.
There's generated subs for every vid with an accuracy of like 95% or so which helps with learning. You could also try reading books.

>>218874345
goose goose duck in TL is the highest possible ROI path to fluency

>>218874406
The what now

May I take a moment to scream?

>reading modern Chinese
ez
>reading Qing dynasty novels
ez
>reading Tang dynasty prose
ez
>reading Mengzi
a little effort
>reading the analects
absolutely fucking impossible