Apparently Germany has the best wages in the EU, yet what you get paid here is a sad joke.As someone with a M.Sc. in mechanical engineering you are gonna make about 5000€ gross on average. Deduct 40% taxes and that leaves you with 3000€ net.That's 17 or 18 years of school if everything goes according to plan, during which you aren't gonna earn a dime.https://www.gehalt.de/beruf/maschinenbauingenieur-maschinenbauingenieurinKeep in mind that the best wages are paid in big, expensive cities like Munich and Stuttgart, an apartment there costs easily 1500€ per month.How are other Euros doing it? The incentive to get an education is barely there for people in Germany, for you it must be non-existent.
>>218800095You silverspoon niggers don't know how good you have it. But you are in right to complain I just needed to say that as a poorfag Siberian.
>>218800243thisGermans love to complain and whine though, it's embarrassing
Btw there was a massive state-led wage dumping scheme a decade or two ago.They made up the so called "Fachkräftemangel" (lack of specialists) which is defined in an extremely sketchy way.If for one position there are less than 4 qualified people that's counted as a lack of specialists and foreigners with questionable credentials will be imported to fill that role.Now there are tons of people who can't actually find a job in their field and if they do it's paid miserably.
>>218800095>40% taxesThe reality is darker than that. There are hidden pension + healthcare contributions paid for by your employer for every employee, you just don't see them. The actual tax burden is higher than 50% even if we discount stuff like religious tax
>>218800095>3000€ net>oh no the horror I'm going to explode from poverty!
>>218800095>That's 17 or 18 years of school if everything goes according to plan, during which you aren't gonna earn a dime.you'd prefer to work since 6?
>>218800322It's good by standards of shitholes like Russia or Poortugal but most Germans consider themselves American equals, so it's a bit shocking for them to get a degree just to earn as much as the guys in McDonald's in the Estados Unidos
>MSc of health sciences 6 years>Medical Doctor professional qualification (currently working as)>Residency in Radiology 5 years>Radiologist professional qualification (don't work as one yet)>get paid 2700€ a month after tax>minimal patient load during off season in current location>government provided housing with 93,40€ rent per month + 70€ for utilities during the winterAside from various negative factors which are many that are purely me related I am doing breddy gud
>>218800095no one who works in munich rents or lives in munichjust fucking rent in ulm or augsburg like everyone else
>>218800360>consider themselves American equalsmy sympathies
i earn ~1600€ net
>>218800299>>218800095no one is paying 40% on 60k a year you larping fucks
>>218800488they are retarded faggots who don't know how taxes workthey just want to complain like the little bitches they are
>>218800243Pavel you earn well for Russland chill brah. Gets paid to hike in beautiful nature and still complains.
Why do normies hold degrees in so high regard if everyone has a fancy degree then its value lessens.And then they always pick ones that are useless and dont even have really any need or demand in the job market and then complain they cant get a job.
>>218800360americans are larping remember how they all shat the bed when their welfare got cut for 1 month?
>>218800360This. I mean just look at Switzerland. They have American wages, while at the same time they have stuff like muh universal healthcare.All with 10% taxes.Yeah, they have no welfare. There is short term monetary unemployment assistance from the state, but it has to be paid back once that person finds a job.This is a good thing. Fair to the working population and fair to those in actual need. Only sucks for those who want to exploit free handouts, which is a good thing.Germans are being played for absolute fools.
>>218800518Burger flipper in the US makes more than I do and doesn't has to live for two months and waste their health working in construction.
your B. Eng is only 3 years anon, and you get the best deals and work laws, other people study B. Eng in 5 years(2 years prepa, 3 years field) and get less, the US is too inflated and abnormality
>>218800530In this job market you need a degree to even mop floors. Instead of giving some people a chance they filter by fancy papers.
>>218800509makes me think they never worked a day in their lives
>>218800095It's weird how euros always omit the time period when talking about pay as if it were standard or they all get paid once per month, yet add it back for everything else even rent which truly is almost a universal global standard for it to be monthly
>>218800360>most Germans consider themselves American equals
>>218800571I agree there are countries and jobs one could envy but burgerland? Don't kid yourself at least look up to Switzerland and Singapore, average burger doesn't live as good as you think they do.
>>218800360comparison is the thief of joy as they say
>>218800488>>21880050920% taxes10% social contributions10% healthcarewhich I summed up as 40% taxes, because that's essentially what it isChurch tax not included, which you are probably gonna pay if you live in southern Germany.
>>218800533Nigga that was the people who didn't have jobs (mostly because they refuse to get them) You insane?
>>218800095>Apparently Germany has the best wages in the EU, yet what you get paid here is a sad joke.It probably is. Still trash compared to what we get paid though.>GDP is a memeCope
>>218800095>>218800604
>>218800612salary is always talked about monthly, no one says how much they earn in a week or a year, even though here its most common to be paid every 2 weeks
>>218800612I never understood your pay by hour and pay by year thing, probably due to your different tax system, monthly everything is default here. If a job posting here has pay by the hour listed then it means you can freely choose working hours be they to or 16.
>>218800612>they all get paid once per monthYesBut as I get a chunky yearly performance bonus I see the practicality of yearly wage of Burgeristan
>>218800665half or 100% of your healthcare is paid for by your employertaxes are not a flat 20% and neither are social contributions
Retards like OP love comparing annual wages between the US and Germany while maliciously leaving out the fact that Americans work like 400-500 more work hours than Germans, making their net hourly wage not that impressive if you add up all necessary deductions.
>>218800808not to mention they all pay a fuckton for health insurance too then still have to pay when they get sick or need anythingi'm really sick and tired of everyone being retarded because they read dumb shit online about the rest of the world having it betterthere is no betterthis is it, europe is the only good place left on the planet
>>218800848It's not that good BUT there are worse alternatives all around.
>>218800685What's their secret
>>218800763Rule of thumb, we are talking about a median here anywaysAs young people don't marry or have kids* Lohnsteuerklasse I can be assumed as well.(* since we are talking about Germans having university degrees, not arabs on welfare and that's the sad reality of it, probably because this country is depressing af)
>>218800848OP sees someone who earns 50k/year working 1000 hours/year in an economy where a Big Mac costs $4 and someone who earns 100k/year working 2000 hours/year in an economy where it costs $6 and thinks the first guy is poorer than the second guy. lmao
>>218800095Whats your working experience ?
>>218800644Average American has a big house and two cars. I dont like cars, but it does says much about wealth.>but they take them in creditIf someone has enough money to be given a good credit and pay two big credits at the same time they're pretty wealthy>SwitzerlandI thought the point of the thread is comparing with the USaverage american lives like in heaven compared to Russia, especially Siberia
>>218800808WTF are you talking about?The link I posted:https://www.gehalt.de/beruf/maschinenbauingenieur-maschinenbauingenieurinThat median of 5000€ net? That's for a full time position, 40 hours per week.Yes, there are people who work less than 40 hours, because the wages are low anyways so in the mind of these people they might as well have more free time, they just work to get by, that's it.In the EU wealth is mostly inherited anyways, unlike the US, where you CAN actually get rewarded for working your ass off.Yes, a burger flipper in the EU is better off than a burger flipper in the US, but an engineer in the US is WAY better off than an engineer in the EU.
>>218800808>>218800848Overused and thoroughly deboonked copes
>>218800948Your average burger rents and doesn't own shit, then posts libshit shite complaining on plebbit. They own a car yes because walking in amerilard is playing squid game with traffic and no sidewalks or getting mauled by a gorrila nigger in a bus.
>>218800848>this is it, europe is the only good place left on the planettruke
>>218801045Btw that cope about working less? Total bullshit.There are many Germans working a fulltime position with 40 hours per week PLUS a so called 'minijob' on the side, which is 8 hours per week and is an extra 520€ per month, taxfree.
>>218801079>because walking in amerilard is playing squid game with traffic and no sidewalks or getting mauled by a gorrila nigger in a bus.Same here. My "village" doesn't has a single sidewalk yet a traffic of a city. I can't even cross the road without trouble to go to the store.
>>218800848>this is it, europe is the only good place left on the planetLOL this must be a shitpost.Not only do you constantly have to worry about muslims chimping out this bullshit state has worked HARD to destroy the middle class.Look at: >>218800292 & >>218800559Switzerland proves that the FRG exploits its working force.Is it all perfect in the US?No, certainly not, Switzerland is doing it even better, but in the US specialists are compensated fairly, in contrast to the EU.
>>21880112848 hours a week is child's play in america lmao
>>218801276you 100% are behind a vpn and do not live herei've seen your posting style before with a different flag
>>218800993>That median of 5000€ net? That's for a full time position, 40 hours per week.Yes and Americans in the same position work 50 hours a week have one week of holiday or something plus even more unpaid overtime which comes out at like 400-500 more work hours than the average German. Are you fucking illiterate?'40h' a week and '100k a year' doesn't mean shit when you don't factor in those things you fucking idiot.
>>218801281Where do you get your info from?The EUSSR's ministry of truth?>inb4 muh bait
>>218800903Nuclear submarines and yeti hunting
>>218801128Dude you are actually delusional. 40hs in a professional position is at the lower end in the US, also the IGM standard is less than that, adding the fact that they hardly have any holidays and vacation days plus unpaid overtime their hourly wage sounds way less impressive. 100k/year my ass.
>>218801320Can't say about this situation but be vigilant. In the past few years this board and 4chinz in general got flooded by bots, sharty immigrants and jeet discords who poison the well. They don't even need VPN's there are several ban evasion sites up that let's you choose flags.
>>218801374anon by americans own testimonya lot of them work shit like 3 jobs 48 hours is baby's first job in americayou don't see anyone doing that in germany, because rightly so it's illegal to work that much>muh eu propagandathere is no EU propaganda if anything most EU based media is very critical of everything everywherewe don't have a state funded propaganda because the EU is simply not that unified to fund something like that together
>>218801457Yeah, unqualified workers will be exploited, which leads to working 3 jobs.In the US that's not happening to an engineer.
>>218801374This is a load of shite and you posting a LLM slop summary doesn't lend any credibility. Only jeets take this shit for gospel.
>>218800095>As someone with a M.Sc. in mechanical engineering you are gonna make about 5000€ gross on average. Deduct 40% taxes and that leaves you with 3000€ net.>That's 17 or 18 years of school if everything goes according to plan, during which you aren't gonna earn a dime.I make 7k net in POLAND and I barely finished highschool.
>>218801592>t. plumbing accessories salesman
>>218801544lmaogood thing you're not an engineer or white or a human living in germany at all so none of this conversation matters please get a hobby
Mind you that the average vacation offered by German companies is 28 days.It can be increased up to 40 days, with cuts to your pay, at which point it's like taking unpaid days off.
>>218801625u r jealous of my prestigious careerthere are 4 good jobs in this worldbaker, doctor, plumbing accessories salesman and underatakerpeople will always be hungry, people will always get sick, people will always poop and people will always dieyoure not running out of customers
>>218801715no he's just making a joke about poland on the international board you insecure faggot
>New cars suck>New apartments suck>Building a house is a humiliation ritual (Barely larger than an apartment anyway)Besides hobbies, what else is there to put your expendable income to other than living in the past by buying an old house and an old car to live in with your old wife and your 1.38 autistic kids?Yea, yea, kids are the place where money would go towards, giving them a good but firm childhood so that they may march into the darkness ahead prepared.Or I guess you can start a business with the extra income.I am probably depressed and without ambition, but it just feels like that despite living at allegedly peak consumerism to me it feels like there is nothing to consooom.And don't give me >implying buying things brings happinessThat is not what I am talking about. It is satisfaction of thing purchased, regardless if the thing is something necessary or being bought for recreation.Probably nostalgia but I feel that a new car buyer in 1990s was more satisfied with their purchase than one in 2020s.I am sure there are places where the quality of products has gone up and life has become more convenient.But it could have become more convenient without other things having to start to suck.
>>218801581Whatever. LLMs are the future.Weird how Europe doesn't have a single relevant one, hm?Innovation takes place in the USA and China these days.Would I like to see Europe on the forefront of human creation, like it was not even 80 years ago?You bet, but guess what, it's not happening with people like you, that don't allow for any criticism of the incompetent leaders of Europe.Before the problems can be removed they have to be identified, remember that.
>>218801715What profession then?
>>218801715But I am a doctor...
>>218801791>llms are the futureOpenAI had a net loss of 16 billion dollars last year.
>>218801791>80 years agoGood joke. Europe peaked in the 19th century, and it's been downhill since WW1. We destroyed the continent for nothing.
>>218800095Nobody has ever said that Germany has the best wages. Retard bait
>>218801791LLM is shite just Google++ search engine that has scraped the entire internet including copyrighted research and books without consentThe mythical AGI that's where the real gold mine is, we don't have that yet.
>>218801911Calling it a search engine is off mark, call it an auto-complete, more accurate to what it does.
>>218801824what is your monthly net income?
>>218802001Fair enough
>>218801863Nope.Unfortunately when Europe was about to conquer space the USA stole all the rocket engineers.Now Europe is a shadow of its former self and its space program is less advanced than that of india.
>>218802023>>218800424PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
>>218801752are you retarded? no wonder you're making less than half of what I do despite living in germany
>>218802070It was a joke howerbeit
>>218800095I doubt you have 40% tax rate with 60k in Germany. I have a 30% tax rate (including pension/etc contributions) with 60k in Finland. Less with deductions.
>>218802065Interesting. Are you expecting a big salary bump after your residency or is radiology just so underpaid in Lithuania? Your net salary is only slightly above my mum's salary (oncology nurse).Did you consider moving to Poland? I believe physicians of all possible fields make more than that maybe except GPs
>>218801863>>218802060That isn't to say that Europe didn't to impressive stuff after WW2, clearly even the graph shows that some innovation still took place in Europe.There is still some potential here in Europe, just look at the EUV machines made by the Dutch company ASML (the American equivalent AMAT doesn't have such a machine).The joke is that neither Europeans nor Americans make good use of the tech, it's East Asians who dominate the chip industry with them.
>>218801791*not evenShould've been 'barely'.Forgot it's 2026 already.
>>218802163I am just taking it easy working in a rural community not by my current specialty which I gained last year. I will transfer to a regional hospital eventually to grind my balls off but why bother if things are comfy.
>>218802163>is radiology just so underpaid in Lithuania?It's not underpaid in any country
>>218802236I wouldn't bother if I was you.I have a summer house in the coutnryside and my neighbours are a family of physicians working in the local rural clinic. Guy used to work alone but recently his daughter graduated and they work together. Besides them two there's just one nurse in the clinic We sometimes share a drink and he tells me it's a good life. He's definitely not making the money he otherwise would in the city but he and his family are eating good and the job is enjoyable, has short working hours, he knows all of his patients and they respect him greatly.
>>218802353Somewhat same working here.
>>218802457That looks so comfy. I'm jelly of niggas who get to live by the sea.
>>218802070That guy is not OP, I am.Yes, he might be retarded, as he has didn't realize you we simply making a joke in return.Figures, as only an idiot would defend the shitshow that is the EU.That being said I simply posted the median income of a mechanical engineer, which is obviously gonna be WAY lower in Poland.No matter if you make 7k a month or not (which I don't believe you do lol) that is irrelevant to the thread.I mean there are oligarchs in Russia or Ukraine who make the equivalent of 200k USD a month, doesn't change the fact that the productive, working population is piss poor.
>>218802581Not sea it is the Curonian lagoon. You should know better we have a fuck ton of German tourists here.
1. youre being manipulative by choosing a city 2% of the populace lives in and thats 2x as expensive and comparing that to a *countrywide* average salary. 2. if youre looking for an apartment in Munich today youre really fucked, but actual rents are very low even in Munich>Der Mietspiegel für München 2025 weist eine durchschnittliche Nettokaltmiete pro Quadratmeter von 15,38 Euro auf. this is what people who live in munich for a long time actually pay, around 1000 warm for 50 sqmtheres absolutely nothing corresponding to German rent controls in the USA or whatever you masturbate to, the market rent I what people pay and its far higher. the sole country where rents are cheaper in comparison to income is probably Switzerland, with Japan being comparable.that said, there are also lots of rentcucks in this country so these controls are necessary
>>2188000953000 in hand is great especially considering how low the prices are in Germany
>>218802776no one fucking lives in munichthey all crash here in augsburg or the nearby villagesthey work in munich and sleep here
>>218803019>considering how low the prices are in Germany
>>218800685The REAL whiteness map
>>218800243this, so much this, first worlders think they have it hard, what a joke
>>218801592Whats your job
>>218802104Include what employers pay. If they didnt have to pay employer tax they would rise your salary. In serbia employer contributions and employee contributions are mandatory and all in practice paid by employer. I think its similar in whole europe. So yeah his real gross is 40%. His "gross" (paid by himself) is only 30%
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>>218800095HahahahhahahaThe poverty at the start of the last century and after ww2 was horrendous, and you feel bad for being a career professional?
