Imagine how kino this part of the world would have been if it had accepted the words of Christ
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>>218808515They technically did with Islam.
>>218808527Something funny Argie?
>>218808515Should've bought more camels idk
the world would have been industrialized by 600 if not for abr*hamic religions
>>218808515christians run it right now along with their zionist counterparts
>>218808529But they didn't
>>218808769The world was not industrializing by 600 AD bro
>>218808515What did Christ do for me? Seriously?
>>218808823Neo-pagans are always aggressively historically illiterate for some reason
are these neo-pagans in the room with us right now
>>218808769Christian golden ages like, Syriac, Byzantine, Renaissance and Latin, and the Islamic golden ages like, Abbasids, Persian, Iberian, Ottomans and Mughals happened because of these religions, not In spite of them.
>>218808515Muslims believe in Jesus Christ and that he's the son of God.
>>218808951BASED
>>218808980>and that he's the son of God.They explicitly do NOT believe in that nigga
>>218808980Yeah I’ve noticed Muslims usually say the Father is referring to Allah when talking about the Bible. Shias also believe in Petrine primacy and that Peter was the successor of Jesus.
>>218808515Do (You) even care about the words of Christ?
>>218809003But didn’t Jesus call himself the son of God multiple times? I feel like it would be a problem if Muslims didn’t believe Jesus was the son of God, even just a metaphorically son.
there were countless sons of gods in jesus's day
>>218809058Moslems have a simple cope for that>all bible passages that agree with me are real>all bible passages that disagree with me are not real and corrupted
>>218808980>>218809058Muslims does not believe that he died on the cross lol, they just consider him as a mere prophet
>>218808515They did. Read a book.
>>218808515They did, There was the Arab Christian kingdoms of Ghassanids and The Lakhmids, But they sadly lost to zuttslam forces in 600 AD.
>>218808769You know nothing of history. Rome was already splintering before Christ was even born. That’s why the Empire came about. Out of civil war and crisis. Even before Constantine’s conversion, it had already imploded totally once and was constantly in civil war. Without the common thread of Christianity, the collapse of the Roman Empire is far worse in Europe and less is preserved. >>218808848Lots. You’re a fish in water. Christ has shaped our entire civilizational history and morality (and I mean proper morality not this post modern nonsense)>>218809033Yes, I’m Catholic. I believe they have been led astray by Islam and could have been much greater than they were.>>218809182They do not accept him as the son of God, as God incarnate, nor that he was even crucified, nor his resurrection. They just think he was a good prophet. Admittedly, he does play a large role in the end times prophecies.
>>218809239Arab Christians didn't accept him as the son of god etc? You must be one of the new brits.
>>218809314>Arab Christians didn't accept him as the son of godSome of the Arab tribes did have weird unorthodox Christian views that Mahomet based his inaccurate perception of Christianity on thoughbeit
>>218809239>he's anglo catholicrofl to the lmao
>>218808980>the son of GodSorry, but, no. Here is where muslim and christian differ. God is a single deity, with no son or parents. Jesus is just a mere human like Muhammad. Jesus got more miracle than Muhammad. Jesus didn't die, yet. He didn't die on the cross. He'll return to save us all from the antichrist in the future and lead us all to peaceful world.
>>218808572If they were Christians you'd be crying about them being brown Nestorians
>>218809058Islamic tawheed is principally opposed to that thought afaik.>He neither begets nor is begotten - Qur'anAnd>They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary." - Qur'an (5:72)>Jesus/Isa : Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord - Qur'an (5:72)The exact argument is that Bible's meaning was corrupted, or purposefully misinterpreted. The Bible used "son of God" not exclusively for jesus, and merely as an honorific. >"Israel is my firstborn son." - Exodus 4:22>To David : "You are my son; today I have begotten you." - Psalm 2:7>Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Matthew 5:9>...the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God - Luke 3:38But you've probably heard this same argument a hundred times, as a Christian. We also believe Jesus made a distinction between himself and God. And taught prayer and submission to God alone. >"The Father is greater than I." - John 14:28>"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." - Mark 10:18>"I can do nothing by myself." - John 5:30>"This is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus whom You have sent." - John 17:3Some copy-pasted verses.
>>218809239>I believe they have been led astray by Islam and could have been much greater than they were.Why the hell do you care about who worships what? Tend to your own flock before you start harassing others.
>>218808769Industrialization requires specific social, economic and environmental prerequisites that the greco-roman world simply didn’t have.
>>218809681Because you guys and jews are comically evil.
>>218809739And how would Christianity change that? The worst abuses and excesses of imperialism occurred within the metropole under the watchful eye of the church, not to mention the shit they did abroad and missionaries basically being one of the major battering rams of expansionism. church
>>218809786>Moslem talking about violent expansionism and critiquing itIt's like trying to reason with orcs or something
monotheism is dyingreligion in general is dyingman is this planet's god, the future is eugenic as we conquer our own genomes and solar systems
>>218809813>religion in general is dyingThe opposite is happening thoughbeit, people are becoming more tribalistic about religion
>>218809802lI'm saying if Christian powers already did fucked up shit what makes you think a "Christian Arabia" would be any better or worse?
>>218809828Christianity wouldn't need to be so violent if Mahometans weren't trying to subdue it for +1200 years
>>218809823>people are becoming more tribalistic about religionnah most people either internally stop caring and are irreligious or keep it on the low. Either that or kinda believe some of the stuff but mostly stay for the social connections, networking and like doing all the ritual and religious material.
>>218809823the west/east is already atheist, with each generation becoming less religiousmena is undergoing a silent apostasy where on paper they are 90%+ muslim but their beliefs have eroded (look at iran, north africa, etc)the gulf is like mena latin america, same thing as mena, nobody is filling the pews even though they are 'christian'india/africa is undergoing a malthusian scenario so it doesn't matterthe uk, afghantism, and seamonkeys form the new dar-al-islam, other than that strict religious observance simply isn't a thing
>>218809847were the continents you violently expanded into, filled with muslims?
>>218809886>the west/east is already atheist, with each generation becoming less religiousIrreligious =/= atheism not to mention shifts later in life towards religion or a shift to wards the agnostic/atheissm spectrum.>mena is undergoing a silent apostasy where on paper they are 90%+ muslim but their beliefs have eroded (look at iran, north africa, etc) the gulf is like mena Extremely hard to determine that though. Especially with a very vocal minority on both fronts.>latin america, same thing as mena, nobody is filling the pews even though they are 'christian'Protestantism and various charismatic/evangelical Christianity sects growing.>india/africa is undergoing a malthusian scenario so it doesn't matterMalthusian scenario's only apply to wildlife and was primarily used as such until midwit retards tried projecting it to humans (and failed). They both are having fertility rate declines due to increases in healthcare and urbanization.
imagine the SOVL they would have had if they were still pagan
>>218808515They should convert to orthodoxy the real church of christ
>>218810004>Irreligious =/= atheism it is effectively the same thing without the matter-of-face affection atheists put on, no gods, no prayer, no religious meeting place>Extremely hard to determine that thoughfair, but you can look at how much the gulf has opened up in a way fundamentalist muslims never thought would happen>Protestantism and various charismatic/evangelical Christianity sects growing.religion is still on the decline there as are birthrates. it's just like how mainline protestantism is practically extinct here, those people are evangelicals now, but in its totality religion as a whole is declining in the US>They both are having fertility rate declines due to increases in healthcare and urbanization.sure, but the absolute number of people in poverty especially in SSA was due to rapid population expansion
>>218808769If we didn't abandon the Hermetic teachings we could have had a nuclear-powered empire with free college and healthcare by 1000, intergalactic travel and colonization by 1100, raised a generation of warrior-priests who learned how to harness their latent psychic abilities in the great fight against the demiurge around 1400-1500, and found our way back into the Garden of Eden around 1700-1800. Instead we have idiots on one side who respond to all criticism with "CHRIST IS KANGGG" and idiots on the other who can only say "Erm actually Jesus was just a jew, we should go back to being cave men like our ancestors."
>>218810060>it is effectively the same thingNot even close.>sure, but the absolute number of people in poverty especially in SSA was due to rapid population expansionNot really. In terms of material poverty as lot of it has been alleviated due to the whole "economic gains starting from effectively zero in an already industrialized world" but Africa's population growth is super tame compared to the growths seen in Asia and Europe. It's actually underpopulated and pretty sparse even if we were to remove the Sahara desert in the calculations. For India you have to realize the economies and material development polices within it during and after colonialism is extremely diverse. So you have guys on one hand working in high end sectors making millions in one and then a literal peasant farmer on the other barely making ends meet. It's basically the sheer global gap in industry and development in the world replicated and down-scaled into one country.
>>218809847The crusaders murdered more European Christians than muslims
>>218810044I dunno. Orthodox churches in ME and Africa are still seen as having straying from the path alongside shit like Western missionaries acting like total cunts or saying fucked up racist shit.
>>218808515Arabs unironically found syriac orthodoxy it’s weird
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>>218809802umar is allah ?looks like umar bullied prophet to comeup with a revelation
>>218808515Why did allah spawned himself in a barren desert
>>218808515Imagine beating the world with them at Starcraft 1 multiplayer except you secretly left off allied victory when they thought the round was ending. There's an awkward pregnant pause where they may assume they are lagging or dropping frames but you start launching nukes that destroy their base then mass attack the last of their units. He concedes the match to destroy his remaining worker unit that was hiding in fear. This is the fate I want.
islam is pretty much a copycat religionadopted from judaism,Christianity ,preislamic traditions etcdirection of prayer used to be jerusalem then suddenly declares black cube as new direction of prayer after jews rejected him in medina and kisses black stone adopts preislamic umrah (circling around black cube)tried to copy Ashura fasting from jews, after jews refuses to acknowledge him as prophet ,he came up with ramdan fasting muhamad tried everything to appeal to jews to accept him but they rejected him as prophet so he just make up his new religious rules out of nowhere its not revelation from god he was just experimenting by borrowing stuff from different people>>When the Prophet came to Medina, he found (the Jews) fasting on the day of 'Ashura' (i.e. 10th of Muharram). They used to say: "This is a great day on which Allah saved Moses and drowned the folk of Pharaoh. Moses observed the fast on this day, as a sign of gratitude to Allah." The Prophet said, "I am closer to Moses than they." So, he observed the fast (on that day) and ordered the Muslims to fast on it.worst thing is muhammad declared himself as best role model for humanity in quran and imitating him leads salvation
>>218808515I've heard that young people here are interested in Christianity
>>218808769this
>>218809886of all generations, young germans are the most likely to believe in God according to statistical research. just saying. maybe religious identity markers and mainline churches are dying. beliefs and religion i wouldnt say
