Who do Peruvians consider to be their liberator: Bolivar or San Martin?What about Chileans: O'Higgins or San Martin?
>>218809835>O'Higgins or San Martin?Both. We have a painting called The Four Founders>Bolivar or San Martin?San Martin. Peruvians hate Bolívar because he took half of their territory (Bolivia) and named it after himself, lol. San Martín did not fight in any significant battles in PeruThe 99% of the officers and troops were Chilean and they yes. Peruvian historiography changed after the War of the Pacific, and they began to glorify San Martín. However, Spain recognized their independence after Chile defeated Spain in the War of the South American Revolution.
Reminder that the war of 1864 is the final battle of a war that began in 1811.We prevent the capture of Buenos Aires, or that's where independence ends.The Army of the Andes was composed of Chileans and men from Mendoza (who were also Chilean).We liberated Peru twiceOur neighbors will never admit this, by the way.
>>218810080>The 99% of the officers and troops were Chilean and they yes.>Peruvian historiography changed after the War of the Pacific, and they began to glorify San Martín. However, Spain recognized their independence after Chile defeated Spain in the War of the South American Revolution.This is such bullshit chilean revisionist nonsense. San Martin had support in Peru specifically the north before the war of the pacific. Spain didn't recognize Peru's independence until after the Chincha Islands War where they were defeated by Peru at the port of Callao after they had bombed the shit out of Chiles's port at Valparaiso.
>>218810358if true this would only make me hate Chile
>>218810358>Our neighbors will never admit this, by the way.Why?
>>218810396>Spain captures the Chincha Islands. Why didn't the Peruvian navy liberate them?Because Spain blockaded the Chincha Islands and Callao.Peru = Knocked OutChincha Islands = 60% of Peru's incomePeru = No recognized independence, blocked and no moneyWe could have avoided these problems. Spain recognized Chile's independence, and we had good relations. ButCHILE DECLARED WAR ON SPAINSpain sent half of its ships blockading Peru to Chile.We captured the Covadonga and made them sail around the Pacific trying to recover the ship we stole from them, hahaha.They sent all their ships to fight Chile.We took them to Patagonia and there...We used a stolen Spanish ship and two Peruvian ships (the Unión and América were crewed by Chilean sailors!). Only the Apurímac was Peruvian and it was useless.We confronted the Villa Madrid and Reina Blanca and made them escape.they escaped north and we followed them. They went on to burn Valparaíso, which had no defenses, and escaped to Peru.Why didn't they go back and destroy the Chilean fleet?Almost all the batteries in the port of Callao were silenced by the Spanish fleet; only three batteries remained, and they escaped.They escaped because we were reorganizing the fleet in the south
>>218810968How is Chile so strong?
>>218810968>Why didn't the Peruvian navy liberate them?Why didn't Chile end the blockade of the port of Valparaiso? >two Peruvian ships (the Unión and América were crewed by Chilean sailors!)>First Lieutenant Miguel Grau was assigned to the Unión (a corvette bought from France) in December 1864, and he was the commander of the ship during the Battle of Abtao on February 7, 1866. He was part of the combined Peruvian-Chilean fleet under the overall command of Rear-Admiral Manuel Villar Olivera. You just make shit up as you go along.>Almost all the batteries in the port of Callao were silenced by the Spanish fleet; only three batteries remained, and they escaped.The structures and defenses at Callao remained largely intact. Peruvian forces severely damaged Spainsh ships like the Berenguela and Villa de Madrid. >We confronted the Villa Madrid>During the ensuing battle, Villa de Madrid was hit five times,[11] including a hit by a 450-pound (204 kg) projectile that according to one source killed 14 men and wounded 13[1] and according to another inflicted a total of 35 casualties.[12] The projectile destroyed her boilers and disabled her. They escaped because we were reorganizing the fleet in the southPic related
>>218811578>You just make shit up as you go along.>Peruvian sailors know the fjords better than Chilean sailors.
>The structures and defenses at Callao remained largely intact. Peruvian forces severely damaged Spainsh ships like the Berenguela and Villa de Madrid.
>>218812227Mind providing a source? Searching for this produces no results.
>>218812419You're just repeating what you already said now in screenshot version. We have non peruvian accounts of the events.>In 1870, former U.S. general Alvin Peterson Hovey, member of the United States legation to Perú, described the battle as inconclusive but glorious for both countries in a letter to the U.S. Secretary of State Hamilton Fish:But the battle came on, on the glorious "Dos de Mayo," for so both Spain and Peru call it, and the fleet bore bravely up toward the forts, reaching within three-quarters of a mile. Then, as they were gallantly exchanging shots, two torpedoes exploded and threw columns of water at least 150 feet in the air. The whole Spanish fleet retired and fought at long range for the remainder of the day. Such was the cause of the success or defeat that followed this action, so glorious both to Peru and Spain. On the part of Peru it will be a feast day forever, and on the part of Spain the Duke of Callao claimed his title for this victory!—Mr. Alvin P. Hovey to Mr. Fish. Lima, Perú, August 22, 1870.[32]
>>218812227>Francisco Antonio EncinaStill waiting on a source. In the meantime. Some light reading.
>>218810080>We have a painting called The Four FoundersOn the right, Diego Portales>>218812800Your screenshot practically portrays Encina as the devil incarnate for not agreeing with you, lol.And it's just the opinion of a liberal about a conservative.https://www.memoriachilena.gob.cl/602/w3-article-711.htmlTo publish history books that win academic awards in Chile, it's necessary to present sources. Also, in Europe, they don't falsify documents and degrees.Of course there are sources, but I'm not going to go to a library at 6 a.m. to find you a book by Encina on a specific chapter.
>>218813428So no source? Got it.
>>218813460I don't have the source, but it exists.This is the book:The book is called *Historia de Chile desde la prehistoria hasta 1891* (History of Chile from Prehistory to 1891).https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_de_Chile_desde_la_Prehistoria_hasta_1891The book isn't available as a free PDF (I'm looking for it).It's a 20-volume set.Were it discusses Chilean sailors.It's Volume XIV, pages 218 and 219.And I'm sure it cites other authors.There's an abridged version by Leopoldo Castedo.I'm not going to pay for the book. I could go to a public library, but I'm not going to.Maybe I'll do it another day. I'd really like to show it off, if there are other sources that support it, especially Peruvian authors. Nobody knows Peruvian authors better than Chilean historians.
>>218810080>and named it after himself, lol.wait really? that's fucking crazy, I thought other people after him named it this way, not himself
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqueo_de_libros_y_documentos_en_Lima_(1881)We know more about the history of Peru than they know about their own history jeje
>>218814006I asked you for a source on this screenshot. >>218812227 you've given me nothing. I accept your concession. We're done here.
>>218814025It was actually the deputy from Potosí, Manuel Martín Cruz, on October 3, 1825. After the independence of Upper Peru (August 6, 1825), they sought to honor Bolívar with the phrase: "If from Romulus, Rome; from Bolívar, Bolivia."
>>218814063nigger it's in the fucking pictureHistory of Chile by Francisco Antonio Encina
>>218814141You are a stupid sack of shit. That is not a source in and of it self. The apparent wikipedia article shown in the screenshot can not be found through Google, even if he just posted that it would be something but he refuses to even do that. Neck yourself.
>>218814192how is that not a source? you can literally see it is the reference of this text. that's the source. what more do you want?
>>218814305I want you to suck start a shotgun. Try citing sources like that in any actual academic setting and you'll be laughed at, you fucking dullard. Get lost
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>>218814497what are you so mad at? no joke here im genuinely confused. you asked for a source, there's a source
>>218814517You're genuinely slow. My condolences.
>>218814531so are you just going to continue posting wojaks or?
>>218814546You're going to continue being a moron it seems. In any case, the Chilean himself making the claim has failed to deliver and can't even link to where he got this >>218812227 from and you're just a pest who has nothing to add to the actual discussion. Last (You) from me.
>>218814611just google it mate
>>218810080>Peruvians hate Bolívar because he took half of their territory (Bolivia) and named it after himself,Bolivia was called Charcas (real audiencia de Charcas ) and Peru was a mutt central for mestizo and criollos soldiers that protect Spain interest.The first " grito libertario in Sudamerica was in in Chuquisaca and La Paz (1809) we can even go back to "La gran rebelión de Túpac Katari in 1780-1781" .... and we got our independence last (1825) because of pic related , a hill made of silver
