>The "Boxers" (a secret society called the "Militia United in Righteousness") practiced martial arts and believed their spiritual training made them impervious to bulletswhy are they so delusional
>Yes, the ancient Chinese used both bones and orbs for fortune telling, and for thousands of years, they were treated with the same seriousness we treat satellite data or economic forecasts today
There is a reason why we needed 脱亜入欧 at that time
>>218812253>脱亜入欧what is this?
boxers are maligned, they actually had a point, qing state was weak and the people had to do something about all the troubles, you just don't understand humanity, you only see tribal linesus good, china bad, etc
>>218812285how the fuck is "china bad" the only thing you took away from my post moron
>>218812284japanese political ideology during meiji, you wouldn't get it
>>218812296no, you are just a racist idiot
>>218812284literal meaning. it was the slogan trended on Japanese Twitter in late 19th century. The counterpart of Qing's slogan 扶清滅洋 (saving Qing and exterminating Europeans).
>>218812322what is your problem holy fuck I'm currently learning about chinese history and am (correctly) laughing at how stupid these people were for believing that rituals and spirit possession could protect them from bullets. they didn't believe the reality they saw in front of their eyes. this has absolutely fucking nothing to do with racism
>>218812322Do you call me racist too because stating the fact about Chinese history? I think Japanese and Chinese are the same race, still am I racist?
>>218812358>>218812322the boxers were basically at the same intellectual level as marvel fans todaythey were total morons, I can't find anything about them that is respectable aside from living in cool temples
>>218812412they were literal feudal age peasants, what did you expect, understanding of firearms?
>>218812084Them believing in their own training and faith is admirable in a way, even if overzealous.>>218812369Also since you're learning about the boxer rebellion, this album would be of interest to you. It's themed around the boxers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j6UbACFoGE
>>218812369firearms weren't available to the masses so for many it was first time they have heard of them, it is a very rural society meeting an industrialized army, kind of like aztecs vs conquistadors but much worseyes much hilarity when tech overmatch was had, but not because they were "stupid"
>>218812406>>218812457it seems that the boxers were not buddhists. but taoist monks kind of *were* buddhists, right?is the religion the boxers in china studied and practiced different from taoism?was there a different sect in ancient chinese society that practiced taoist monastery training and ritual stuff, inner peace, zen and wu wei?did they also study martial arts?
>>218812406a little different, when violence was enacted on western traders in japan it was resolved quickly from the government, the shogunate fell from lack of response and meiji restoredbut china was ruled by dowager cixi, she was easily swayed either way, as long as she remains in power, give into western demands, supress reformation, bought off by foreign interest etc, she also supported boxers at the same time she allowed foreign legations, it's not all per but the central authority was weak, hence a peasant rebellion was born, in a different time no chinese ruler would allow a peasant rebel army regardless of objectivenot the same
>>218812406>>218812457How do i learn about China aside from just asking chatgpt shit Are there any good documentaries or audio books or something
>>218812492>>218812650I'm not a history guy just happened to find that album
>HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts): Medieval knights practiced highly sophisticated wrestling (Ringen) and dagger fighting. Treatises from the 14th and 15th centuries show complex grappling moves designed to break limbs or kill quickly, proving that "martial arts" were just as prevalent in Europe as in AsiaI wonder why there aren't any guys today who are studying this or autistically training in Ringen in full knights armor
>>218812650You should learn 19th century Chinese history from books written by Europeans. They have objective point of views relatively. Never trust Chinese historians writing about their history. I even recommend to site European books about Japanese history during WWII. China is complaining that Japanese government is fabricating the number of death tall of Nanjing Massacre, but we actually estimated it based on Dutch research (Netherlands was allied with China at that time, of course).
>>218812686Hema as an abbreviation was made up by larpers and has been edging out foam stick larping and had largely absorbed before forms of fencing societiesIt started more or less as some US military guys who got out of the military and decided to make some armor and blunted swords and hit each other a lot with them
>>218812756TFW no more objective foreign civilization I can learn about European history from
>>218812412kek, they have soylenials back then too
>>218812427Peasants should just shut the fuck up about religion and politics and farm their little plots of land
>>218812801Europeans were objective to each other when they had great Empires. Japan was trying to be objective, but we were only one civilized Asian nation and had no friend criticizing us objectively in Asia.
>>218812358>Japanese Twitter in late 19th century.Damn you guys hade xitter in 1800's ? I know Japan was advanced but not this much
>>218812894SadWhy do fireflies have to die so soonOr something like that
>>218812877that's the thing, peasants were discontent with missionary seizure of land, including temple land, land displacement was the major driver
Damn this thread made me go down a rabbit hole of Japanese government interaction with the U.S. military and it's actually so pathetic Almost every single thing the Japanese government does is to appease the U.S. military. I'm not even joking about that. EVERY single transaction the Japanese make with the U.S. is a bad one. Like losing billions to buy garbage bad Tokyo is the only foreign city in the world where the USA controls a majority of its airspace. The Japanese government had to BEG for the U.S. to open up airspace during the Olympics and other events. And they pay us billions for this privilege every year. It's like the occupation never ended and yet they aren't even that mad about this
>>218813461how are you just finding out about this anon they've been buck broken and reliant on the U.S military since the end of WW2 by design
>>218813461I mean, they thought we were going to destroy them and were throwing their kids off cliffs to save them from torture, then even though we both invented and used nukes we showed up to feed, invade and "educate" them and said actually even though you wanted to conquer our mainland we are letting you remain sovereign eventually in name etc etc also please sell stuff to our citizens, here is the US business model and also some funding. It's be terrified and relieved in equal parts too.
>>218812084african tier, this is actually embarrassing
