Not even a chud but I often vgh over what this world would have looked like. What's your alt history vgh?
i just prefer the "what if the european powers never destroyed themselves in stupid wars" scenario
>>218844874Why do krauts want to take over Russia so bad? Why can’t they just take over territories in Africa and ethnically cleanse it of blacks and settle there? This > wtf that is.
>>218844874Nazis were economic retards it would colapse quite quickly
>>218844981They wanted a land empire to expand like America.
>>218844981Non European empires are a net negative.
>>218845049Their African holdings are pretty big. Definition land empire-tier.
>>218844874This or Scandinavia ruled by Sweden + a massive wall facing Germany and Russia
>>218845051Depends on the one. Hong-Kong was profitable. Naturally having trade ports is a benefit. However, over time, colonial empires could have become profitable if they cleared out the nogs and settled it with Whites.
>>218844981It would have been interesting if they depopulated Namibia to entirely settle it with Germans. Shame it was really only Brits that had large successful settler colonies
>>218844874>Not even a chudClearly you are
germanics are retarded eastern barbarians anyway
>>218845144You're so retarded.
>>218844874>What's your alt history vgh?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntermariumToo beautiful to exist in this vile, ugly world
>>218845260the ultimate butthurt belt buffer zone against russian transgression, pumped with 1488 billion USD annually
>>218845260incrvdible...
>>218844874VGH . . .
>>218845306>alaskain your dreams ivan
>>218844874Imagine if the 1848 revolutions succeeded...Big Germany...No world wars...No retarded Prussian or Austrian Chimpouts...What covld have bvvn...
>>218845322I'd remove Alaska if I could. I only care about the contiguous aspect.
>>218845353this was a good map
>>218844981Drang nach Osten is their national idea lasting from the middle ages.
>>218845389BASED
>>218845353Too small.
>>218845295Yes
>>218844874The good guys losing in the great war was the end for the west. thank you britain you brought about your own downfall.
>>218844981Overseas empires: prone to break away, develop separate identities, hard to defend, often hard to properly settle/colonize, tend to stay relatively independent/self governedContiguous empires: tend to stay together, Identity tends to stay unified, as easy to defend as any other piece of your land, easy to colonize/settle one step at a time and eventually fully convert, can be taxed/have value extracted the same as any other part of the country Australia and Canada aren't part of Britain anymore and will unlikely ever rejoin, California and Vladivostok are integral parts of the US and Russia that are unimaginable ever leaving on their own volition
>>218845504the concave polish border needs only a slight filling in or just give them east prussia already
>>218845567at last they truly see
>>218845567This is why I think that even though hitler mostly spoke of the east as being farming colonies I'm sure after German victory it would have gradually converted from territories to proper states fully integrated into Germany proper like how the US gradually incorporated it's western territory into states
>>218845567Canada/Australia/New Zeland (and maybe even South Africa and Rhodesia) could have easily stayed part of the British Empire after WWII. Obviously it was just Judeo-American trickery that those countries became independent. Nothing inherent. For the record, Canada was a British Colony for 500 years without any problem.
>>218845504Imagine if it stayed a normal kingdom like France or England instead of being buck broken by the n*bility and cl*rus. We'd be on mars by now.
>>218845707Exactly that was the plan, Hitler was very open about wanting to copy your guys' manifest destiny
>>218845789Meant to reply to >>218845704
>>218844874>>218845011nazi economy was based on slave labor and lootingwhat you want already exists, it's not lebensraum and not nazi germany,it's manifest destiny and the USA
>>218844874Byzantium remaining after a close defeat of the Sassanids, Turks kicked right back out to Asia, Muslims never get out of the peninsula.. vgh...
>>218845789Your mistake was picking on your fellow whites instead of some tribals in a backwater somewhere.
>>218845743>VGH... the colonies on MVRS
>>218845789It seems like they weren't that interested in going beyond the urals though. I wonder if that would have ever changed. Maybe down the line they'd want to go all the way to Vladivostok. But I imagine if they didn't do it while the old guard nazis were around it probably would have never happened. Id bet as decades went on Nazi leadership would have probably mellowed out
Polk's AmericaI also vgh over a Baltic-German confederation consisting of a bunch of city states
>>218844981they are too fucking stupid to do that
>>218844874>even in the nazi fantasy Turkey still controls Instanbullollmao
>>218845855We would have gotten away with it, if it hadn't been for perfidious albion
>>218845743>Yes, the borders of the Holy Roman Empire (HRE) still appear as "phantom borders" on modern European wealth, prosperity, and population density maps. Regions that were part of the HRE—particularly in modern Germany, northern Italy, and parts of France—often correlate with higher economic activity and prosperity today, a phenomenon sometimes referred to as the "Carolingian" or HRE footprintShe yearns to return.
>>218845353This would terrified everyone in the continent and a world war would start even sooner
Would've liked Man in the High Castle if it didn't have esoteric inter-dimensional travel bullshit
i often think about what the world would have looked like if the Louisiana Purchase never occurred. states had unique, sovereign-ish identities, the Supremacy Clause was scarcely used, and the United States’ self-image was not that of Manifest Destiny, but of prosperity and security for each individual state
>>218846212forgot to add map
>>218846068Man in the high castle is just propaganda though. Not only that, but Man in the High Castle itself admits that these speculations are often wrong such as featuring an alternate reality within the alternate reality where the USA and British Empire were in a Cold War after WWII as opposed to USA/USSR.
>>218845947too bad all the wasps had to whine about muh whiteness muh protestantness
>>218847107Stfu diego/seamus/pawel, you shitty cathoids ruined this country.
>>218845260I thought that was Neeche at first
>>218847185We still do all the work while lazy prots sit on their butts.
>>218847229You devalue labor for the 10 years you're here living 8 stinky beaners to a crack shack then take wealth directly out of the country by building a house in Mexico. You're the ultimate corporate goy and you reduce living, wealth and education standards across the board.
>>218847314Your solution?
ww2 was very beneficial to my family, my great grandpa was paid alot of for overtime in the coal mine since demand for coal was high and he had 3 kids between 1941-1945, when the soviets arrived in winter 1945 they tried to send him to work in soviet labor camps so he hid for a basement in a year and lost his job at the coalmine; soviets burned alot of buildings in my town and kidnapped 40k people from my and neighbouring townsone of his brothers was in the wehrmacht and served in italy and greece and later was offered to move to frankfurt once the soviets occupied his hometownunfortunately the other great grandpa was nationally polish and got executed on charge of conspiring because a friend he was walking with had a gun when the germans searched them, but this is reasonable desui can wholeheartedly say my family wouldve been better off if uncle adi won the war; this was never possible though since they didnt build a navy and could never finish off the uki could probably get a german citizenship since my family still has the german identity documents of my great grandparents, but i see no benefit in it since polish law states that i can be conscripted despite being a dual citizen
>>218847339Go home.
>>218847314Im not a beaner though beit
>>218847314If prots werent so lazy people wouldnt have to hire beaners desu
>>218845353Not groß enough. Think we'd better invade someone bro.
>>218844981because it was the whole point of nazismhitler viewed russia as a breeding ground for judeo-communism and was convined the ussr would invade eastern europe, especially romania which was crucial to german war effort because of the oil, hitler realised that ussr would outindustrialise germany in the long run so he head to strike preemptively>>218845855drang nach osten was a core aspect of nazi ideology: if hitler wanted to annex and germanise territories occupied by slavs he had to paint them as inferior, not ally with them
>>218844874Like it or not, this is only 1 of 2 scenarios in which Europe stays relevant.The other being that WW1 never happened.
>>218846212>>218846252a timeline where settlers are forbidden successfully from beyond the appalachians would also be interesting
>>218845353>no Elsass-Lothringen
>>218845353Gigabasiert. If only austrian and prussian autism didn't stand in its way. >>218846049That's why there would be the emerging triple entante of revolutionary Germany, revolutionary Hungary and revolutionary Poland.
>you will never travel from Germania to Theoderichshafen via Bismarckfeste by means of the Breitspurbahn>you will never fly from the Greater Germanic Reich to the Empire Of Japan aboard the Steinadler Rocket Plane Airliner in under 30 minutes>you will never listen to Wagner operas being conducted inside the Volkshalle>you will never browse Krautchan in the 1960s on your Zuse Z88 Volksrechner>you will never be running a comfy farm deep inside the eastern frontier securing the bleeding border at the Urals against bolshevism>you will never see movies directed by Veit Harlan starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Clint Eastwood of a genre dubbed "Germano Eastern">you will never serve aboard the "Conrad Haas" Oberth class nuclear pulse propulsion space cruiser on its mission to map Aldebaran
>>218844981Before the bolshevik revolution in 1917 the Russian ruling class was mostly composed of Germans. They were then replaced by Jews (and no, this isn't "nazi propaganda", Putin himself said this).There were millions of Germans living in eastern Europe, for example the Volga Germans, the Baltic Germans or Black Sea Germans.Germany was historically a continental power in stark contrast to naval powers like Britain.Our colonies were in eastern Europe, Britain's colonies were in Africa.
I honestly don't think Nazi Germany would've lasted that long even if they won the war. They would've had their own boomer generation that came of age in the 1960s that'd want to rebel in the most pathetic counter-culture. And many of the people like Goering, who were primed to take over after Hitler died, didn't seem like committed ideological National Socialists.I think it would've followed the same trajectory as the Eastern Bloc. It would've lasted for a while but slowly thawed and mellowed out.
>>218848066Based imperial Germany dabbing on tiny Asiatic Russoid clitties.
>>218845353The revolutions of 1848 were inspired by the French revolution. The egalitarian values of the French revolution are the anti-thesis of western society.There have been political commentators of the late 20th and 21th century who have called it "proto-bolshevik" in hindsight.Democracy is fake and gay. Even the ancient Greeks already knew this, see for instance Plato's "The Republic".>>218848066>Prussians bad>Austrian badOf course it's a wessi who tries to paint the (thank god failed) revolutions of 1848 in a positive light kek
>>218845112big sweden... vgh
>>218848244LOL, the protests of 1968 were due to students being radicalized in universities were (culturally) marxist professors had free reign to spill their poison.These professors were done away with in the 30s.They came back after '45, instead the allies purged the "nazis".Not even the (classically) marxist eastern bloc had these protests in this timeline.Wishful anglo thinking. Had NatSoc Germany won it would've been there to stay.
>>218848244>>218848441Plus how do you not realize that the allies had literal post-war psychological warfare programs to fundamentally reshape German society?How do you guys not know about the "reeducation" or "Umerziehung" programs that especially the western allies enforced?They created the modern Germans that don't care about building tanks and rockets to dominate in warfare, but who care about protesting "climate change" and providing for "refugees" from places they couldn't pinpoint on a map.They did this so Germany would never again become a danger to the powers that be.The Americans literally made movies about it that they showed to their soldiers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pygKpidEWxk
>>218848324Volksverräter an die Wand. >The revolutions of 1848 were inspired by the French revolution. TThe american revolution and its constitution actually. Not that a bootlicking serf like you would know.
>>218844874Anschluss of Russia by Belarus
>>218848123>this isn't "nazi propaganda", Putin himself said this).not a contradiction
>>218848697Shouldn't have crossed us, simple as.
>>218848441>Not even the (classically) marxist eastern bloc had these protests in this timelineWerent there more ex nazi party members in the East German government vs the West including former SS members in the Stasi?
>>218848913I think Japan fumbled that one my dude. Still should've known better
>>218848953>Hitrer san you need to stupidly declare war on America>neinLiterally that easy.
>>218844874If it had expanded that would have been great, but just being able to perpetuate itself and keep its territories would have been enough for me.
>>218844874Germoids in the early 20th century looked at this and said>Vgh this is where future generations of Germans will grow up. Did they really? >in4 muh grains
>>218849098rome and china are ancient counterparts. without rome yurop is lost in its warring states period
>>218848913I haven't made any accusations towards you.We would've educated our conquered peoples in certain ways as well, obviously.The only ones who should be blamed are Germans themselves, for losing.And while losing starts on the battlefield that's not truly where it ends.A nation isn't beaten until you break the spirit of its people.Look how long Afghanistan struggled against soviets and Americans, powers that wanted to fundamentally change their way of life.They endured enormous hardships, the fought off enemies which were MUCH more mighty than themselves.But because they refused to spiritually surrender they now have their freedom.The funny thing is they are a shithole with some of the worst living conditions in the world, but Germany couldn't achieve something like that?Look were democracy has gotten us, this nation is at the brink of extinction. Yet we accepted it because it promised us greater material wealth than the alternative, struggling for what we believed in.
>>218844874It's actually insane that they were planning to conquer russia at least up to Volga. There's no way that would have worked out
>>218849114vgh looks like Brandenburg
>>218849039America was sending Lend Lease goods to the USSR long before Hitler declared war on America.After Hitler did so the freighters could be attacked legally, on the flipside he gave Roosevelt basically what he wanted: A declaration of war. Now he could declare "We have been attacked!". The Japanese already gave him that of course and we were allied with them, at that point it was too late anyways perhaps. It certainly was enough for most Americans to have anti-German sentiments from that point onwards.
>>218848697Japan is interesting because my understanding is that they still rever their ww2 soldiers as heroes, but Americans still created legal reform to prevent them from having strong military capabilities. Germany and Japan have economies that are meaningfully smaller than the American economy, wouldn't America benefit from having their allies be stronger? especially now that China has a good shot of surpassing the U.S. economy.You also see Trump complaining about how the U.S. spends a disproportionate amount of money in defense for Europe, but this is because America forced Europeans to demilitarize.
>>218849466>America was sending Lend Lease goods to the USSR long before Hitler declared war on America.Irrelevant what the United States was doing, you knew what declaring war would mean.
>>218849595>but this is because America forced Europeans to demilitarize>Around the time of German reunification in 1990, the Bundeswehr (West German armed forces) had a strength of approximately 495,000 military personnel and 170,000 civilian personnel. Don't blame us for Euros overdoing their drawdown.
>>218848926>Werent there more ex nazi party members in the East German government vs the West including former SS members in the Stasi?I don't think so.There was a party which essentially served to represent "ex-nazis", however any high caliber NatSoc would have been executed in a show trial. They didn't go there.>The National-Democratic Party of Germany (German: National-Demokratische Partei Deutschlands, NDPD) was an East German political party that served as a satellite party to the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED) from 1948 to 1989, representing former members of the Nazi Party, the Wehrmacht and middle classes.The NVA was full of ex-Wehrmacht personal, much like the Bundeswehr, that's something the GDR was ashamed of, and they made an effort to replace them.Anyways bringing up the GDR is very fitting.It had absolutely shitty living conditions (best of the eastern bloc with Czechslovakia, but that wasn't a high bar), but it never had the revolutions of '68 and somehow lasted nearly 2 generations.So how can anyone claim that NatSoc Germany would have fallen within ONE generation lol?
>>218849114They saw this and thought "what a good place to live!"
>>218844981Africa and African sun is too spicy for Germans.
>>218849606Yeah, it meant that the freighters bringing in Lend Lease could be attacked legally, as I said.Personally to me it seems like Hitler gave Roosevelt exactly what he wanted and being able to legally sink freighters wasn't worth that. From my limited point of view I see it as a blunder, yes.But it's also possible that Hitler had different intel than what I have.
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>>218849595The US isn't led by logic anymore.By taking out Europe in 40s they enjoyed a golden age in the 50s and 60s, by the 70s they began to stagnate and since the Cold War ended they are on a self destructive course (admittedly it's FAR worse in Europe).
>>218849595Anyways I think the correct course would be to remove Chinese people from western academia in general and from leadership positions in industry.There were huge boycotts against the eastern bloc during the cold war but China is free the exploit western tech in any way they please.This has to stop.America and Europe warred amongst themselves when East Asia was rather insignificant, but now that China is a real threat maybe we should pool together.And don't get me wrong, India is a huge shithole, but they have a big economy. One of the world's largest. They are were China was in the later 90s or so.This has to stop. We need to prevent the rise of non-western nations.But anyways, the west is weak and does stupid shit all around, so we will probably not take action.Trump isn't cutting it, he is not against "skilled immigration" at all and Europe is honestly led by people who are purposefully destroying whatever is left of the continent.
>>218845855>fellow whites
>>218844874It looks odd that Finland is not a part of it.Also, why is there a german exclave between Hungary, Romania, Serbia and Croatia?
>>218844874The Nazis were idiots. Why did they need the icy wastelands of Muscovy? Where do modern German frau go on vacation? That's right – Italy, Spain, Greece.It sounds like the story of that idiot Trump who lives in Miami, Mar A Lago and dreams of annexing Greenland.
>>218851043Knowing Hitler's megalomania, you need to be mentally retarded to expect that Hitler would give up any land to his poor allies, whom he considered useless.
>>218851184Well he literally gave South Tyrol and southern Slovenia to Italy, who were unable to defeat balkan shitholes or Greece on their own.The Germans there had to move or be assimilated.While it is understandable that he didn't want to lose Italy as an ally that happened anyways and it was just something I consider a huge cuckmove.Or look at Japan. Hitler joined the war against the US without blinking an eye, the Japan made a non-agression pact with the USSR in the meantime.And what does Hitler do? He still sends Japan some of this most advanced weapons, like jet engines and rockets.He cucked up massively to has allies.
>>218844981Nazi Germany and the USSR were ideologically opposed. The fascists gained power in Germany by selling the ruling class on the idea of eradicating the communists within Germany at the time, which they would mostly succeed in doing. Prior to Stalin, the USSR was also very much pushing for a global communist revolution, making them an existential threat to the Nazis if they were not also eradicated. It was a front on the war that would either be started by the Nazis or by the USSR.I'm not really sure if the Nazis ever really stood a chance in defeating the USSR. I think their fate was basically decided when the Nazis voided their non-aggression pacts with western Europe, meaning they would have to fight a war on two fronts instead of being able to only focus on the eastern front. The non-aggression pact with the USSR bought the Nazis some time to bolster their productive capabilities, but this also worked for the USSR too and ultimately the efficiency of the USSR won out. They had to make this pact though because of adversarial relationships with the west.
>>218851597That he was a cuckold is beyond doubt. Take, for example, the policy of relocating male labor from France to Germany when German men were sent to war, but that's not the point. Sure, he had to throw handouts to his allies during the war, but he hardly would have done so if he had won the war.
>>218850944nice selfie
>>218851671Lots of it is correct, but there is some bullshit as well.Stalin still pushed for a global communist revolution.He was counting on the fact that Germany and western Europe would exhaust themselves, then he planned to strike.It's all proven in here:https://archive.org/details/stwxt>Nazis voided their non-aggression pacts with western EuropeWhat? That pact was with the USSR>but this also worked for the USSR too and ultimately the efficiency of the USSR won outWhile they made 10 time the tanks we made they also lost them 10:1Most of our steel wasn't used for tanks, but for submarines.The naval side of the war with the USSR was negligible.It was Lend Lease, a front in North Africa/Italy, a front in France, the war in that Atlantic, American and British bombings, that enabled "their" victory, which is the victory of the allies in general, with the US carrying the whole thing.
>>218851671>>218851945And I'm just gonna drop this here:Quote from Khrushchev, Stalin's successor:>I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so.[7]
>>218851880Now it's clear you are a Russian or some other slav with a VPN.No American who cares about "Whiteness" would question the "Whiteness" of Germans, as that would question his own.
>>218852008no more brother wars
>>218851698Weird pic to have on your PC.Anyways...
>>218844981blind retardall german wars have been about killing as many europeans as possible
>>218852047Stalin was the original version of the modern villain in American fiction lel>I may be a killer but I'd NEVER stoop so low to be a racist, I'm a villain not a monster
>>218851945>Most of our steel wasn't used for tanks, but for submarines.Give sources. After the end of 1942, German submarines literally became underwater coffins thanks to the introduction of escorts, sonar, and floating boats by the Allies. It doesn't matter how many of them Germany produced - it was a stupid waste of resources.
>>218852047BBC is based. You as german can't deny.
>>218851945>What? That pact was with the USSRMolotov-ribbentrop is what you're thinking of here, and yes it's probably the most famous one. Germany did have non-agression pacts with powers in western europe though, which were all voided when Germany's actions caused those powers to declare war.>Stalin still pushed for a global communist revolutionI say "prior to stalin" because Stalin's stance on "revolution in one country" made things more complicated. He even expelled people that called for a global revolution, since they posed a material threat to defeating the nazis at that time.>with the US carrying the whole thingYep. I think, along with stalin himself apparently (>>218851965), that if the war had just been between Germany and the USSR that Germany would have won. The context is important though, because I also don't see how germany could have expanded its productive capacity as much as it did without invading its neighbors and provoking the west in the first place.
>>218847343you should just kill yourself, you retarded volksdeutsch
>>218844874PLC surviving the late 18th century>>2188448741/10>>2188449816/10>>2188451125/10>>2188452608.5/10>>2188453067/10>>2188453539/10>>2188453893/10>>2188455045/10
actually g*rmany lost the world as was commanded by our LORD in heaven who struck down this empire of evil with His might for their vitriolic hatred of His chosen people (The valiant and heroic Poles)
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>>218852207It's a well known fact and pretty logical if you think about it.The battle of the Atlantic was a hugely important part of the war and the subs had successes even after the allies ramped up their defenses.Btw the Type XXI submarine was the most modern sub of the war by far, anti sonar coating and all that, but admittedly came to late to make a difference.Used by many navies after the war as is.
>>218852207>>218852464The eastern front drained more manpower, particularly infantry, but the western front consumed more resources.
>>218845306Russia, but 10% bigger.
>>218852259Fair enough I guess
>>218845389>What's your alt history vgh?This one
>>218852464There's nothing to talk about. Germany had no problems with steel; in fact, it was the Soviet Union that had problems with it.Germany had problems with chromium and tungsten, which were needed to make tank armor and artillery pieces. There were also problems with skilled labor; German welders and turners were in short supply, so they brought in labor from occupied territories, like France.There was no question of directing resources to shipyards or tank factories; they were already at maximum capacity. But some idiots are trying to imagine that anything was being decided in the Atlantic.
Yesterday I was watching a video from 8 years ago and in the guy who made the video was talking about the 'rise of the right/ far right'. I feel like leftists have a misconception where they believe the right or the 'far' right were just fringe political groups until recently when in reality they have always been and they will always be a major political force and if they were irrelevant 20 or 30 years ago its just because there wasnt mass immigration flooding Europe and the U.S.>>218850121He probably wont be fired, 80 iq mf who probably just grew up with insane privilege and that is how he was able to get an education in America and eventually settle there.
>>218852645Steel is an alloy, most of it is iron, but that alone is brittle, so you add certain elements.Chromium and tungsten are used to make steel, they aren't separate from it.If you lack those you can't make HIGH QUALITY steel.But I guess you know this...Especially in submarines you need high quality materials to withstand pressure etc, obviously.>There were also problems with skilled labor; German welders and turners were in short supply, so they brought in labor from occupied territories, like France.True, as the Germans were fighting on the front, more likely than not the eastern one. I said that the eastern front massively drained manpower.>But some idiots are trying to imagine that anything was being decided in the AtlanticThe battle of the Atlantic was hugely important part of the war. This is a fact.You should know, some most of the Lend Lease came over the water.
>>218852781There's still a lot of progressive young whites, but there are very few conservative whites under the age of 25. I feel like all the sorts of people that would've been a libertarian or some mainstream conservative are now white nationalists of some kind. A lot of the non-white votes for left wing political parties aren't done out of genuine conviction, it's to undermine the majority host society too. When you add those up the amount of actual political progressives, who are genuinely progressive, is really small. They're also quite old at this point as well. Society is mostly just ethno-nationalists of different colors squabbling. Already the genuine LGBT types are getting rugpulled and disposed of.
>>218852916The Soviet Union received most of its Lend-Lease through Iran and the Indian Ocean, which was beyond the reach of German submarines.Yet, submarine construction required lower-quality steel. Submarines couldn't withstand the same stresses as a cannon barrel when a shell is fired, and the German submarines' hulls weren't designed to withstand an armor-piercing shell.I don't know what you're talking about. German submarines required few resources. They weren't like building battleships and aircraft carriers. All this just speaks to the vast extent of German corruption and ineffective management, since they poured so many resources into the navy, as you say, and got zero results.
>>218853149They required fewer resources than battleships and aircraft carriers, true. Doesn't mean they required little.The shortest Lend Lease route was from the UK the Murmansk, which is obviously the Atlantic Ocean.Yes there were other routes, such as through the Persian Gulf and by train over Iran to the USSR, the Arctic route was significant.Subs require high quality steel, which should be obvious.We poured far fewer resources into our navy than our opponents, the English and the Americans, but we had far fewer resources to begin with.The US is blessed with natural resources, Britain had tons of colonies.We got results, especially from 1939 to 1942, after which the tide turned, but we couldn't simple abandon the battle in the Atlantic and we still took down allied ships, although we had increasing, heavy losses.>corruption and ineffective managementThere surely was corruption. Forced laborers will never work as well as workers who work of their own free will.Ineffective management? Now I don't know about that. At least we were able to feed ourselves. You would've starved without British people literally spamming you.But seriously, are you one of the people that are not yet convinced that communism is inherently corrupt and ineffective?
>>218853559That isn't to say that people in the USSR didn't starve, millions did, but without British spam? Forget it.
Btw I have to go now. I would love to continue this but I can't, gotta get some sleep unfortunately.
