I love British culture
It's pozzed
>It's po-ACK!
The more you learn about 40k lore the more you realize how retarded it is. It's an absolute mess created by a constellation of different writters, consensus amongst the GW higher up staff, etc. it's a disaster. And most novels are actual fucking shit written by hacks.
>>219255910>loreIt's about huffing the paint and painting miniatures. If you pay any attention to WH40K "lore" you are on the same level as powerscalers, shippers, and fanfiction writers and ought to be castrated for good measure.
>>219255692>nu-logo gross>>219255910midwit40k is all about unreliable narration
>>219255910It's meant to be over-the-top.>>219256029>Reading and learning about your hobby is...le bad Why are you Finns all so miserable all the fucking time.
>>21925591040k is more about painting toys and then playing with them than lore. You're right though, it's an incoherent mess that isn't very interesting and just rips ideas from better works of fiction (e.g. the God Emperor).
>>219255910There are a lot of fan head canons and takes that are good. The series taken as a whole is too much, but if you chisel away at it it can create some great settings.
Me too, that's why I main daggers in Darktide.
>>219256323kek
>>219255910>>219256029midwit reactionthe literal text of the lore is ass but the cultural, metaphysical and memetic context makes it the essence of the aryan metamyth manifest
>>219256323swedish culture is superior>t. vet chucking kraks all day long
Can fantasyfags tell me why people hate age of sigmar so much
>>219256863it's a naked, groundless setting. there's a very specific vibe behind fantasy and 40k, sigmar is just formless corpo slop. yeah the other two exist to sell figures but they fundamentally have an idea behind them, sigmar is just... meaningless slop
>>219255910>And most novels are actual fucking shit written by hacks.Most of them are "hack" in the strict sense of prioritising output in a formulaic manner. They can still be fairly competent at that, and better than merely par for the course when they do it right.The real problem seems to be a desire to be "experimental" in the hack work and throw wrenches into the "canon", rather than nibble around the edges and put the weird stuff in contexts where it can be ignored by other writers if it's shit, or treated as a mystery or lost oddity from the earlier dark age.The last few horus heresy novels were incredibly self-indulgent, but female custodes still takes the cake. It's a lot easier to cut novelists slack when they undercut points of lore or close off avenues of mystery within massive novels, compared to just dumping something 180 degrees in a brief, unsigned advertisement/article, which retcons those same company-published novels that came out a year or two earlier as the culmination of a series that had been going for 20 years.
>>219257046Horus Heresy is not 40k. Don't mention that detritus that filled and ruined 40k with muh primarks muh emperor bad muh chaos good retards.40k used to be fun, hh is a powerlevelwank melodrama that shat on 40k.
>>219255692what is the appeal of it? just painting the models and displaying them? i dont really know what it is but theres been a warhammer store in my shithole town for ages and i have no idea how its kept afloat for decades now
>>219257166>i have no idea how its kept afloat for decades nowbro that shit literally prints money
>>219256961Could you tell me a bit about the setting itself, or how it shits on the OG fantasy warhammer lore as /tg/ fags keep saying
>>219255910retard take
>>219257190yeah but my town is an actual poor shithole full of chavs, browns/blacks and turbonormies none of whom i would think are in the target audience. granted they don’t just do warhammer stuff, i think they sell stuff for similar franchises but its weird when major names can’t afford to keep running their stores here but they can.
>>219257242>Could you tell me a bit about the setting itselfwhat is there to tell? there's no real setting. it's literally just>ok what if we took the factions from fantasy>but removed any and all things that made them interesting>now everyone's in a marvel superhero multiverse where they just smash figurines together all day please buy figurines (no I am not investing any effort into making a coherent world)
>>219257262>>219257262>of chavs, browns/blacks and turbonormies none of whom i would think are in the target audienceyou would be surprised if you found out how many lowlifes and normalfags are also turbo nerds
>>219257262>its weird when major names can’t afford to keep running their stores here but they can.whale market. you don't need thousands of people going through the store, just a couple of nerds who got oneshot by the obsession and shell out 5 figures every year
>>219257299No offense but you sound a little bitter about itNot taking sides though because I've never been a fan of WH fantasy, and I also believe you because GW is full of mongoloids
>>219257414>you sound a little bitter about ityou're not good at detecting tone, then. I don't care about fantasy and I don't buy figurines since I'm a filthy secondary (mostly vidya) and only care about 40ksigmar is just a really lazy setting. the only way to understand the issue is to learn more about 40k and fantasy, if you have a general understanding of both it is immediately obvious how sigmar simply doesn't have any attempt at worldbuilding behind it
>>219255910its satirical o algo
>>219257524nah it ain't>but the author..nobody asked. an open mind is an open wound.
>>219255910It's like star wars, it gives you the basic cookie cutter aesthetic and world to go make believe your own stories.The Grimdark gothic look, the epic scale and lovecraftian terror of the universe, and the manichean struggle between light and darkness is a cool vibe.I never gave enough of a shit to read about individual primarchs or obscure lore. The dark age of technology, Horus heresy, and a general introduction to the factions and technology was enough for me.
>>219256783>aryan metamythIt's a setting of meme shit: football hooligans and coked up rockstar satanists, not fucking Epic of Gilgamesh of Britain
>>219255910You are 100% correct.The less you know about the setting the better it is. In fact, the less you interact with it at all the better it seems.
>>219257732ffinland is an aryan metamyth to be fair
>>219256961very well put
>>219257732This is what makes it good.
>>219255692Warhammer is shit, mostly because of its fans
>>219257732what do you think the epic of gilgamesh was for the sumerians, genius? the form and aesthetics are just manifestations of the underlying spiritual conflict and values
I like some of the video games, the art design is just cool but i'd never buy the models
>>219255910>t. Moroccan
>>219255692same
>>219255692true, I love Britain :D
>>219256323>setting with energy weapons and automatic grenade launchers>somehow "poor person with knives" is consistently the deadliest archetypewhat's the lore behind this one?
Warhammer 40k fans piss me off. Especially those who are only interested in the shitty lore of this world. They unironically adore all this retarded militaristic aesthetic. And these constant hackneyed jokes and lore references. Something about heresy, eternal war and so on. I was interested in this shit as a teenager, but as I got older I realized how cringy it all was.
>>219255692But British Maid Culture's originality is France.
I hope they retcon the terminus decree reveal.
>>219256863>brown people and children learn about warhammer >to pretand they aren't newfag toursist they latch onto a random drama from few years ago to performatively talk about it 24/7 to shoq thwy qerw rwal omd fags who realy cared all alongIt's faggot newfags trying to be edgy to fit in.Like Mr. "I never even owned warhammer" over >>219257481
My parents were too poor to buy me a Warhammer army when I was a kid.
>>219264108>newDoW has been out for 21 years nigger
Started reading the horus heresy a few months ago, it's pretty fun
>>219258275But its too young, and current year to be considered an epic. LoTR is that to the brits tho. (Fantasyfags win again over scifi fags)
>>219255910That's part of the charm
>>219256863>create a huge fantasy world that people love>this has been worked on for decades, lots of books, lore, models etc>the world feels like it's teetering on the edge of the apocalypse>the tabletop game isn't making much money and the rules are too complicated for kids and normies>GW decide to actually have it so the world ends and is literally destroyed>what's left is scattered factions in some weird multiverse nonsense world, the Old World is gone, the world people loved was just blown up>early rules and lore were apparently awful, it's in a better state now supposedly, but they've now brought the Old World back as they realised people loved it and hate Ligmar
>>219257166No you fucking idiot it's a wargame, you play with the figure, painting them is part of the hobby the but the whole idea is that it's a game.
>>219266150https://www.heresyomnibus.com/Would recommend following this if you want to read it chronologically and not get burnt out by the jumping around.
>>219255692Played from 2nd till around 5th. Good times it but I'm glad that I got out before the HH bs took off anyways
>>219268447>they've now brought the Old World back as they realised people loved it and hate Ligmaepic
>>219268447>they've now brought the Old World back as they realised people loved it and hate LigmarI think it was just Total War that did it - they made moribund lore that was spread over 30 years worth of obscure board games come alive. I don't know if any games set in AOS setting have even come out let alone caught on. Maybe AOS aren't as well set up for Total War because it's not set in a physical universe and it's gods fighting for control of magical dimensions, but they could choose a type of game that suits that kind of setting, like an RPG or a soulslike.The other thing they've realised could work in Old World is the Chinese faction, since China is getting their hands on mediums once the preserve of western autism, and they're liking it. The games also fleshed out the Russian faction, but neglected to introduce the Arab and Italian-inspired factions IIRC.
40k is dull as shit, the entire galaxy revolves around space martines
>>219269235akshyaullly they don't number more than 1M, so 99.9% of engagements must take place without them and even the ones that do are overwhelmingly Astra Militarum + some marines. Think of them as the navy seals of 40k. Sure, they aren't everywhere, but someone would rather read about le ebig superdooper navy seal who kills an entire squadron with his bare hands than some infantry grunt who dies to a commissar's bullet on the first engagement.
>>219269235Yeah Marines are aids
>>219266114DoW isn't a fantasy game retard, but seeing how you admited you don't actually play warhammer i'm not surprised you can't tell
>>219269150Yeah Total War definitely helped, there was an Age of Sigmar game but it was apparently shit.
>>219255692Horus did nothing wrong
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>>219269235>the game revolves around what sells the most wow i cannot believe that
I like the vidya and have read some of the books, but you niggas miss me with that toy soldier shityou mean to tell me you pay 120€ for 5 unpainted dudes you'll definitely do a horrible job at painting up so you can occasionally throw dice for an our with some greasy fat guys with too much money to spend on plastic army men? nah that ain't me
Fantasy >>>> 40k
