Note that this video never proposed raising fertility rates
>>219297573How do you propose raising fertility rates? Putting a gun to people's head until they make 4 kids? People don't want kids, kids are a burden with no returns.
>>219297573Hey listen, I know we have this big 'fix everything' button that we could press at any time, BUT, it might make women kinda sad, so we have to think about it for a couple decades first.
>>219297573people don't have kids combined with pensioners having huge compensation put so much pressure on the working and tax paying section of society, to fix it they imported more brown people to add more tax payers, lower wages to keep production more competitive so companies gain more and reinvest instead of reducing pensions, but after a while the current workers will demand pension creating more pensioners and needing more migrants, it's not just about fertility rate or importing browns it's about fixing pension system
>>219297620Firstly; State run orphanages and paying women to birth the child instead of aborting them. No responsibilities for the woman after they've birthed the child. Secondly; loan for new couples to buy a home, every child writes off some of the loan, 3rd or 4th child and loan is nullified.
>>219297620chud take
>>219297573>young people should have even less disposable income because of child expenses boomer genocide when
>>219297620Nah, your culture and really your continent at large just happen to be a bunch anti-natalist reddit-tier faggots. It's honestly incredible you can having such a generous welfare system that you do where reproducing is basically your only civil duty you have and yet still refuse in favor of importing more Somalians
>>219297573europoor is collapsing because all their countries are communist and they are lazy.fertility isnt rising because of communism\laziness if youropoors were not communist and lazy they'd have more money -> can afford more kids -> fertility rises.
>>219297573>raising fertility rateswe are full rajesh
>>219297833I guess there are "anti-natalist reddit-tier faggots" all around the world since birth rates are crashing down everywhere.
>>219297573That would imply a deep critique of capitalism, but it won't happen because "TLDR EU News" is a neolib media.I know a handful of couples who are planning on having kids but can't right now because rent is 80% of their monthly expenses. So the girls take care of the kids of already insanely rich parents for a minimum wage. It's ironic, and pretty sad desu ne.Isn't it Poland that gibs 250€ per child? Already a good step, in Poland I guess it's a substantial amount, in France it doesn't amount to much but it's an idea. But the whole system needs a reform, a revolution even. But a reform will do. More money for the workers, less for the corpos, simple as.
>>219297620just pay them more money and stop with the feminist propaganda
Nobody wants kids because international american jewry turned the world into a fucking dystopia. And if you have any interest in tech, you know it's gonna get way worse>look we're gonna buy you to make kids That's exactly what I'm talking about, nothing counts except profit and money
You can’t solve this by paying people to have kids because they don’t have partners in the first place. It’s not a childless epidemic, it’s a singles epidemic.
>>219298137The thing is Asian people who aren't having kids aren't being gay and saying "isn't there enough suffering in the world" They actually acknowledge that they just don't have the resources to have kids instead of moralising it like EuroCunts do
>>219297833>civil dutyWhat about state's duty to provide conditions for higher fertility such as affordable living?
>>219297573>>219297620How to fix the birth rate;Allow men to have state sponsored children through surrogacy.
>>219297620Yes, you could actually do that actually. You can put a gun to the head of millions of men and send them to die or get burned alive or mutilated in Ukraine, you could put a gun to millions of women and force them to give birth the same way. Are you gonna cry and shit your pants now about the rights of women? What about the rights of men? What about the right of our nations to survive?
>>219297573If you have kids knowing what the world is like and how it's very like to become in the current decades, you are a cruel person (unless you're very rich, of course).You're basically birthing slaves who will spend their entire lives working solely to pay rent.
Funny as the way it is, war coming to the Western Nations, Latin America is sounding attractive to First World Women againMaybe I should move to Europe and get a european bride when things start looking sour there and bring her here when things finally get sour
>>219297726I grew up right next to a low income housing block. About half the kids there were children of single mothers, the other hand were just poorfucks. Almost all received some sort of welfare.They were pretty much all native Finns except like one Vietnamese family.The stories I could tell about about that place are stuff from Lovecrafts nightmares.Just let the fertility rates drop, no reason to bring in new trash to the world.
>>219298836There will be a lot of childless millennials to hand over their wealth to gen alphas and gen betas as they grow up.Any kid you have today is guaranteed to have a mansion because there will be too much housing and too few people living in them.
>>219298836trvthnvke, and if you end up having kids, you need to raise them into psychopaths or they will be trampled by the system
>>219297573What's the problem with reforming the pension system so that taxpayers pay for their own pensions, not for those already retired?
>>219298965The orphanages would be placed in the countryside where the population is shrinking, boosting their population. They would also have greater access to nature. Not in commieblocks in the city/lähiö. An orphanage with professional caretakers is probably better than some alcoholic single mother. The woman relinquishes all responsibility but also the very motherness for their child when signing up for the program. The problem is exactly the environment you described. For the loans there would of course be restrictions based on drug use etc. and other common sense restrictions.
>>219299133Those already retired would starve.
>>219299133-The ones already retired wont have any pension-You will rob people above 18 years old from their state pensions-Private pensions are ineffecient and can be wiped out 2008 style
>>219299160I do not care as I am not of them
>>219297620This. This is one of the few truly effective ways to increase the birth rate. Apart from this, the another thing that can save the fertility crisis is artificial wombs. >>219299160It's more likely that politicians just don't want to take responsibility and actually do something.
>>219299008why do you assume Blackrock won't buy up those houses? >>219299133It's extremely unpopular with older voters, some countries have even enrishened in their constitutions that pensions for current pensioners can't be reduced, countries such as Finland and Brazil.
>>219299211*enshrined
>>219298836Having kids today is of the greatest importance, as they will have the privilege of participating in the grand ethnic slaughterfest of the coming decades, maybe your kids can even execute some leftist pieces of shit themselves, why deprive any wandering soul waiting incarnation of such a prize?
>>219298836Do you think musk children are happy? They're probably the ones that have it the worst
>>219298744>What about state's duty to provide conditions for higher fertility such as affordable living?How the fuck are they not already doing that? What? Should they wipe your ass too?
>>219299246>why deprive any wandering soul waiting incarnation of such a prize?I thought Catholics didn't believe in prexistence of souls, assuming you are Catholic.
>>219299257Starting a war while restricting citizens in freedoms and economic stability doesn't seems like good condition to raise fertility.
>just fix le economy and le housing and people will have kids!!The disingenuous libtard argument (libgument) that doesn't account for the fact that the trashiest poorest people are the only ones having kids everywhere in the world. The Dark Enlightenment dorks already called highly developed high income cities 'IQ shredders' over a decade ago for a reason.
Healthcare should be denied for over 65s
>>219297620I wish someone could make subhuman dalits and muzzies understand ts
>>219299318Nah, Western Europe bucks the trend.
>>219299396>expected>and related countrieslol
>>219297620Sort the cozzie livs out
>>219297573just kill old people
>>219299155This is scifi novel tier idealism this wouldn't happen irl.
>>219299160Good
>>219299133Stop being antidemocratic, they make up 51% of the voter base so we need to slave away for them, it's a moal imperative
>>219299794>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn>The program allowed them to give birth secretly away from home without social stigma. In case the mothers wanted to give up the children, the program also had orphanages and an adoption servicehmmmm.....
>>219299155More like greater access to NO JOBS
>>219298744>such as affordable livingNigga literally nobody in the world has better living conditions than you, you dumb faggotEspecially not the indians, pakis and africans having 5 children eachYour great grandparents were far poorer than you and had far less leisure time and that didn't stop them from marrying at age 20 and having 3 children by age 25.>but they owned a homeYou can own a 1 room shack in a small town too. The issue is that your living standards are much higher than your great-grandparent's so you don't want to have the house that they had just like how you don't want to work the job that your great-grandfather had.The collapse of birth rates is a cultural issue not an economic issue
>>219299318What the fuck are you talking about? What even is this? I've never seen that shit pop up anywhere before.>Dark Enlightenment dorksFucking who?!>highly developed high income citiesFucking which ones?!>"IQ shredder"What the fuck does that mean?!This is insane. Don't call us libtards, you know damn well our objective is not to give fucking gibs to normies so they shit more kids, but it is the total annihilation of the capitalist system therefore giving an incentive to shit kids carefree. You know what I'm talking about.Am I falling for bait?>libgumentkek nonetheless, this is a zinger
>>219297620Give me a female with a vagina and you will have kids.
>>219300504Child labour hasn't been a thing for like a century. And the orphanages would give some jobs there, caretakers, teachers, nurses, and all the things that come with that, cooks, janitors, football coaches etc. It's very common to move about once you are grown up, you don't have to stay in the same village. But of course taxes have to be redistributed accordingly for it all to work.
>>219300604It is absolutely a socio-economic issue. The cost of living in Finland is atrocious, like anywhere else in the first-world.>muh ancestorsStop with that shit please. Leave them in their grave unless you get haunted.
>>219300675holy shit, gb2r faggot
>>219298725>generalization: the postthere's plenty of people here that would have children if their financial situation was better
European countries have the highgest GDP per capita and the most economically egalitarian societies in the world.Deluded firsties don't get that the inequality they see is nothing compared to what's going on everywhere else, because in their countries the rich are super rich and the common man lives in a nice comfy apartment, while in the third world the rich are super rich and the common man lives in a dirty shack with no clean water. And yet that doesn't stop them from having children.
>>219300819Absolute retardation on your part, guys. Shameful display.Dark Enlightenment my ass, it's pure brainrot.>>219300914This. Rare are the people that don't want kids because they're proudly selfish. It is absolutely a capital problem and not a cultural problem.
>>219297573BUT DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR OLD PEOPLE LITERALLY DYING IN THE STREETS YOU EUROPEAN NAZIS??? UHHHHM EUROPE IS FALLING BEHIND WE NEED TO CATCH UP TO AMERICA, MORE GIBSMEDATS
>>219297812Well to be fair being the kind of creature that avoids reproduction while gremlining about "disposable income" does put you in a the prime fertilizer demographic, especially if you also complain about "capitalists" or "capitalism" as if you are not the worst example of the ideology.>>219298243>socialist policy creates predictable problem>UHM WELL MAYBE IF YOU WOULD CRITIQUE CAPITALISM...Really bitch?
>>219301006With all due respect we're not interested in going back to the fucking mud huts just to shit out kids. We're not lowering our standards of living to get the demography back on track. That's what the capitalists want for us, that's not gonna happen.>>219301089>socialist policyIs the socialist policy in the room with us right now?
>>219298725>Asian people who aren't having kids aren't being gay and saying "isn't there enough suffering in the world"But I thought Asians were Buddhist...
>>219298243>250€ per childit's ~200 per child per month noweven when the program started (2016) this was widely considered a dumb move and basically just a way to buy votes from "the lower classes"and it also didn't affect the birth rates, there was a slight rise post-2016 but that obviously didn't last, also the abortion ban bullshit in 2020 didn't help
>>219297573A video is made about this once a week anymore. It's crazy we're just watching France die in slow-motion. Godspeed french anons, unironically.
>>219299360lazy hospitals basically already do that they just kick em out and say its a uti
>>219300675>Fucking who?!Nick Land, Curtis Yarvin, and so on>Fucking which ones?!Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo>What the fuck does that mean?!Cities attract the smartest most exceptional people and incentivizes climbing up the ladder and the grind over reproduction, thus making smart people not pass down their intelligent genes (intelligence is highly heritable). Their IQ is shredded in exchange for capital.
>>219297726No fertile youthful women is having children for tax benefits let’s get real, try explaining loans to a 18-23 year old they will be unmotivated and those are the years that are vital to having a lot of kids, the real and only solution if for a country to bite the bullet and start paying women at age 18-23 millions of dollars to have children, this is the only incentive worth it for most women, and benefits society as a investment in their future instead of sitting in some boomers investment account
low birth rates are a global phenomenon in every developed country outside of weird religious cults. government policy does little to nothing to change it.the solution is just accept it and endure for the next 100 years as the global population declines.even neolibs now realize mass immigration isn't a solution because it creates national security issues.
>>219297620abolish pension
>>219302414Prolly notIslamists are still pushing 4children per womenChristianity will prolly also die out due to liberals just like Hinduism and Buddhism
>>219297620Socializing the cost of children,The w same way the cost of old age was socialized People have in intrinsic wish to have children.The only thing stopping most people is the economic cost.
>>219297620chuds will always larp about how raising kids is le based from their state funded neet gooncaves living on welfare and kebab doordash while playing eu4 until 3 in the morning
>>219302077>Their IQ is shredded in exchange for capitalSo here we are. The problem is capitalism isn't it?I'm too preoccupied with actual real life stuff to look into this meme philosophy of the "Dark Enlightenment". These guys are anticapitalists right?
