Cute northern French women are now LARPing as Flemish.It’s over for French boys.
>>219346889I always find funny that someone from Lille will brandish a "flemish" flag and someone from Tournai would brandish a "walloon" flag, while both of those people are literally identical
>>219346889>>219347518ziedbelg
>>219346889in any case better than drollanders
>>219346889Wypipo adopting regional identities that haven't been relevant since the 19th century because they were told nationalism is evil
>>219347729you germans are to blame for that
>>219346889will they be accepted by the flemoids tho.
They don't even speak the languageShe's about a much flemish as a muttmerican with 2 flemish parents living in muttmerica
>>219348370Lillois are basically wallons, who didn't develop a counter-identity to the flemish therefore don't see a problem waving a flemish flag
>>219347729Regionalism is better and more based than nationalism.Nationalism had to be invented, while people have been proud of their local region, city, or tribe for literally 10 thousand years. It's way more natural to be proud of accomplishments by someone who speaks your own dialect, is maybe a third cousin of yours, and you can walk over and see the monuments of your ancestors.Face it, nationalism is nothing without regionalism.
>>219347518nothing identical about them, walloon identity, being downstream from french identity is characterized by self hate, loving homos and troons and negros and cockoldery, i would run from that if i was french too and pretend i'm something else
>>219347518NGL, Flemish sounds kind of heavy metal. Like a flame or a flamberg. Waloon sounds like a slur. Yo' mama is a waloon! kind of thing
>>219348514>nothing identical about themI'm talking about the people, the actual people.Walloon identity and Flemish identity are constructs, I'm talking about geneticsPeople from Lille, and people from Tournai, are literally the same fucking people.
>>219348640>NGL, Flemish sounds kind of heavy metal. Like a flame or a flamberg. Waloon sounds like a slur. Yo' mama is a waloon! kind of thingmmhthat's a problem of branding there.Maybe walloons should fire their PR department
>>219349142there's not much genetic different between flemish and northern french/wallons either
>>219348514>walloon identity, being downstream from french identity is characterized by self hate, loving homos and troons and negrosWell I guess that explains the 1946 Belgo-Italian immigration protocol
>>219349231Yes I know, but Lille and Tournai (up to Mons) are consanguinily similarPeople from Lille and people from Paris are a different race.I just wanted to highlight how funny it is that two identical people (Lille area and western Wallonia) can adopt two opposite identities.
>>219349186Waloon sounds like "walony/-na" in Polish which means hit or banged. But Dutch "Hoi" sounds like Polish chuj which means a dick or a cock
>>219349265>south italian migrant>socialistas expected
>>219349524it seems that word means something stupid in every language, maybe they should just change itthere is a reason Leon Degrelle never really used that word but "Burgundian" instead
>>219348514>walloon identity, being downstream from french identity is characterized by self hate, loving homos and troons and negros and cockoldery, iWalloon culture has nothing to do with French culture, it's almost like polar oppositeThere is a deep hatred for jacobinism or centralization in walloon culture.
>>219349142>A fucking BELGIAN lecturing anyone on having a constructed identitykwab
>>219350362Belgium is not more of a constructed identity than walloon or flemish which are just respectively the french- or dutch- washing of belgium
>>219350778>combining two things into one is less constructionist than keeping the two things apart
>>219351028Flanders and Wallonia are post-Belgium constructions, they were created during the federalization of the country during the 20th centuryBelgium was NOT created as the "union of Flanders and Wallonia"
>>219351083Are you really implying that there was no internal north-south divide before? Religious, economic, language, and rural/urban/coastal divides in the low countries all existed for hundreds of years.Or do you mean that it's not valid because the labels weren't used the same way?
>>219346889the norf in france is literally called flandres françaises (french flanders), that's not a larp it's just their regional identityhttps://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flandre_fran%C3%A7aise
>>219349667Burgundian sounds majestic actually. Only this should be the bond for something larger, e.g. Belgians + Dutch + everything south down to northern Italy. One of my favorite starts in the EU4 btw
>>219351205>Are you really implying that there was no internal north-south divide before? Religious, economic, language, and rural/urban/coastal divides in the low countries all existed for hundreds of years.No?You are talking about the modern "Wallonia" vs "Flanders" divide? Both were Catholics. Economic? Pretty similar all its history, except during and after the industrial revolution (Rise and fall of the mines of the south and east)Language? It was blurry, french was actually quite spoken in Flanders historically, by the upper classes, even though flemish nationalists don't like to admit it.That doesn't mean there was "no difference" but it was more complex and nuanced than what it's today.The actual divide was institutionalized by Germans during WWI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlamenpolitikThe point was to cuck and neutralize the south of the country (which rebelled against German invasion)They literally traced the line in 1917Then, during the 1960 and 1980, reforms were made to turn the centralized country into a federal state, and the Flemish region and the Walloon region were born, EXACTLY as germans created them (with the same capitals)
>>219351371yes but what they mean by "Flanders" is very different from the way the Flemish from Belgium decided it (defined by the dutch language). So someone from Lille won't be considered Flemish by someone from Antwerp (who, ironically, are not really flemish but brabantians)
>>219346889>cute northern frenchvery rare, most are celto-germanic trolls
Peak flemish nationalism, belgianons should watch ithttps://youtu.be/Zi_Ie5G2wdo
>>219353179the so-called "flemish nationalism" in France is just some anti-jacobin Larp, it's not pangermanist or whatever
>>219349524Walloon literally means ‘the other’Ever since 500 bc the walloon identity consists of not being Flemish. That’s about it.
>>219346889Give me a southern French gf
>>219353776>Walloon literally means ‘the other’>Ever since 500 bc the walloon identity consists of not being Flemish. That’s about it.Yes, it is a completely fake identity. That's like Flemish creating an identity out of not being Dutch
>>219353781that race pictured doesn't belong in Europe
>>219353776>Ever since 500 bc the walloon identity consists of not being Flemish. That’s about it.That's not the walloon identity, but that's how the flemish view walloon identity.Also, no "walloon" in 500 bc, it's a recent (non-)"identity"
>>219354022Really since when this woman is also 100% European
>>219346889In that case I'm pro Walloon and it definitely isn't because I've been slighted by a northern French girl who I definitely don't still harbor strong affection for.
>>219355013weird she looks completely exotic, even in southern italy/spain she would look off
>>219351083>>219351550Belgium was created to be an explicitly Francophone country that discriminated against and suppressed Flemish Dutch speakers, which is why it’s ironic that today Flanders is the wealthy part that subsidizes the shithole Francophone part
Flanders is an ancient fief dating back to the Carolingians, Wallonia, on the other hand, is an artificial construct.
>>219355832Need Hainaut GF so bad, bros...
>>219355712>Wewuz victims n shietthe francophones were the Flemish bourgeoisie, all belgians were "discriminated" because the people didn't speak French; the Flemish as a people were never specifically discriminatedWallonia as a region on the other hand, has been fucked over
>>219355832Both Flanders and Wallonia are artificial constructs.The County of Flanders has little in common with the Flemish region, they barely overlap, they just took the name for wewuz purpose
>>219355908lol lmao
>>219356002What's funny?Foreigners seem to only get the flemish whiney nationalist propaganda of "Flanders good and victims and Wallonia bad and bringing the poor flemish man down"BTW, German occupations dismantled and destroyed Walloon industries twice in both world wars (massive drop of GDP). After the war the "Marshal plan" of reparations went...to the Antwerp port. No reparation to Wallonia.
C'est fini.Small french roosters lost, Gargantuam flemish lion won.
>>219356106I thought people rooted for the underdog in general
>>219356101Francophones have a global victim complex, from Quebec, to Walloonia to freaking CameroonAn histeria that crosses racial boundaries, a curse placed on the language itself
>>219356175*A hysteria
>>219346889Honestly, Flemish people larp as not being French. I'm not surprised a few French would larp as Flemish in return.
>>219356175You must be kidding. The victim complex is typical of the Flemish.Unfortunately, the people of Wallonia tend to be completely oblivious of the malevolence and machination upon them. The world adopted Flemish propaganda as the "normal" narrative.The Flemish are bullies with a victim complex. Very similar to jews.I know it because I understand Dutch, and I've been in those rabbit holes;
>>219353781She's the only girl with an Italian name btw
>>219356254>Unfortunately, the people of Wallonia tend to be completely oblivious of the malevolence and machination upon them.Yeah because they are arrogant Francophones that don't learn other people's languages(or even their own dialects), nice argument
>>219356175
>>219356440There is a reason why "francophones" don't learn dutch=it's useless because a francophone speaking dutch will still be discriminated against in Flanders. So he will give up.
>>219356509>ecause a francophone speaking dutch will still be discriminated against in Flanders.So Flemish people learning French end up discriminated? WOW
>>219356666>So Flemish people learning French end up discriminated? WOWNo? they are not discriminated at all
Leuven VlaamsWalen buiten
>>219356767Ah ok, so Walloons living in Brussels or Flanders are just too stupid to learn Dutch despite everyone around them speaking it.Francophones are weirdly protective of a language imposed on them.
Flanders is just a Thatcherian region that decided to bully the mining/manufacture region since the 60's (a bit like manhattan kikes vs pennsylvania, or london kikes vs sheffield) except in addition Flanders created a schizo ethnoracial wewuz narrative about it inherited from the Nazi to make it even worse and justified in their mind in their bullying
>>219356175This. They are a plaque here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLouvain>Francophones literally make up a new city to keep institutional control of a Flemish university.It's insane how deranged they are.
>>219356917>Ah ok, so Walloons living in Brussels or Flanders are just too stupid to learn Dutch despite everyone around them speaking it.Most Walloons living in Flanders do learn Dutch.Brussels is not dutch speaking.Dutch is also imposed on the Flemish. West-Vlaams and standard Dutch are distinct languages.It's not about being protective. Flanders developped an us vs them narrative that makes learning their language useless
>>219357041>Most Walloons living in Flanders do learn Dutch.They are getting paid to try to keep the French colonial foothold in the region lolhttps://www.rtbf.be/article/la-federation-wallonie-bruxelles-continue-a-financer-des-associations-francophones-en-flandre-est-ce-anticonstitutionnel-11193059Literally everything you read about Francophones in Belgium paints them as insanely nationalistic over a language that is not even their native language when most of them are likely just Frenchified Flemish people, hence why I call it Francophone hysteria
>>219356767If you call the police in Brussels to report a Moroccan raping someone and they hear you speak Dutch they’ll just hang up the phone on you
>>2193570951 Moroccan Francophone is worth 10 white Dutch speakers
>>219357038OK so now you are trolling right?You do realize that this new university was created because the Flemish ethnically cleansed the Walloons in Leuven university in 1968 right?
>>219357095The exact opposite happens all the time.If flemish cops hear french they don't help.
>>219357126A Flemish university should be allowed to be monolingual and not act as a colonial outpost of French.You said that French was imposed on Walloonia but when people fight against it, it's ethnically cleansing?
>>219357255>A Flemish university should be allowed to be monolingual and not act as a colonial outpost of French.Then why did they just not impose Dutch on the francophones instead of expulsing them? Also the "historically flemish" argument they pushed was funny because the university of Leuven was in LATIN for centuries.>You said that French was imposed on Walloonia but when people fight against it, it's ethnically cleansing?There is a difference between fighting against a language, a fighting against a PEOPLE.There is a reason why the banners read "Walen Buiten" and not "Franstaligen buiten" or "Franse taal buiten".On the other hand, hundred of thousands Flemish migrated in Wallonia.
>>219357504>Then why did they just not impose Dutch on the francophones instead of expulsing them?That's literally what they wanted to do? They wanted to make the university unilingual>Also the "historically flemish" argument they pushed was funny because the university of Leuven was in LATIN for centuries.Ok? Then it transitioned to the vernacular, which is decisively not French there.>There is a difference between fighting against a language, a fighting against a PEOPLE.This is deranged. You are trying to turn a linguistic issue into an ethnic one when everyone knows it's purely linguistic, tons of Flemish people migrated to Wallonia and today are essentially purely Francophone, tons of Flemish people in Brussels also became assimilated.Plenty of Flemish nationalists and activists have transparently French surnames. This is not a racial issue.>There is a reason why the banners read "Walen Buiten" and not "Franstaligen buiten" or "Franse taal buiten".Walloons is just what they call French speakers.>On the other hand, hundred of thousands Flemish migrated in Wallonia.Yes and they learned French instead of creating colonial enclaves that try to speak their language to this day, unlike Francophones in Flanders. Again, nice argument.
>>219357741>That's literally what they wanted to do? They wanted to make the university unilingualThen again, why did they expulse them instead of imposing Dutch on them. Because the flemish have an ETHNIC conception, it's not about language.>This is deranged. You are trying to turn a linguistic issue into an ethnic one when everyone knows it's purely linguistic, tons of Flemish people migrated to Wallonia and today are essentially purely Francophone, tons of Flemish people in Brussels also became assimilated.OK, so this is clear you do not understand the problem. OF COURSE it is an ethnic problem. If you believe it is just a matter of language, you are gravely mistaken.They got it from the Flamenpolitik of the Germans. It didn't exist before. They expulsed francophones from Leuven in 1968 because the German occupiers expulsed francophones from the Ghent university in 1917. The Flamenpolitik was to give the Flemish a racial consciousness that they still have to this day.Any foreigner who has been confused for a Walloon will tell you they were treated horribly in Flanders until they realized the person is from somewhere else.When Walloons say the Flemish are crypto-nazi, there is a reason for that.Walloons do not have an ethnic conception, that's why the Flemish were accepted when they migrated.>Yes and they learned French instead of creating colonial enclaves that try to speak their language to this day, unlike Francophones in Flanders. Again, nice argument.There are literal flemish enclaves in the ardennes and bilingual signs.On the other hand all the historical Francophone community of Flanders who existed since the middle age, were "dutch washed" to oblivion during the 20th century; Brussels being kind of a "reaction" to that.
>>219358198>There are literal flemish enclaves in the ardennes and bilingual signs.Where?
>>219358785around Durbuy and basically everywhere, lots of secondary houses raising prices.They also own the tourism industry
>>219358864You have just reinforced my belief of Francophone victim mentality, I cannot find anything on what you are talking about other than isolated complaints, whereas Francophone nationalism in the Flemish suburbs of Brussels is an actual issue.Leftists do be right when they say equality feels like oppression to the privileged.
>>219358947Ok so you didn't read any of what i wrote, you are just blindly siding with the Flemish probably due to some kind of perceived cultural kinship, there is nothing rational about that.What you call "francophone nationalism" is just francophones buying houses, there is no agenda there.
>>219359077Not my fault Francophones across the world act like retards, they abandon their patois but then pretend Parisian French is their native language that evil outsiders are trying to stamp out
What in god good name is this fucking thread?
>>219357022Non. In your case they are the rightful owner of your land.The francophones may be cultural invader in Belgium, but in Canada they are HOME.Vive le Québec, you anglo-saxon filth.
>>219359559>The francophones may be cultural invader in Belgiumretard
>>219359559Quebeckers were never really threatened with Anglicization, so their chimp out that continues to this day feels less justified
>>219351550>economicflanders and wallonia have always had a economic split throughout all of history. Different types of trade, different wealth distribution, completely different.>Languagecompletely different for all of history. just because 0.2% of upper class spoke french, you cannot claim it is 'blurry' lmao pathetic cope>culturalagain, same thing. Always been extremely different for people living so close to each other.>The actual divide was institutionalized by Germans during WWIagain pure cope. the reason the flamenpolitik was a thing was because Flemish people were literally institutionally repressed by french-speakers. Flemish were literally punished for speaking their own language at school, church, city events etc.belgicist cope will never not be funny to me. We are a joke of a nation. Just accept it.
>>219356767Nigger are you fucking serious. Please kill yourself.Victim complex deluxe, typical walloon.WHO can't speak their own language in their capital?WHO is told to speak French by emergency services they themselves called?WHO is pushed further and further back each year as French-speaking animals keep moving to Flemish cities near Brussels?WHO literally lost A CITY to WHO?
https://youtu.be/Zi_Ie5G2wdo
>>219358198>They got it from the Flamenpolitik of the Germans. It didn't exist before.commie tier historical revisionism.
>>219359818qrd?
>>219359659>flanders and wallonia have always had a economic split throughout all of history. Different types of trade, different wealth distribution, completely different.That was nothing to do with flanders and wallonia, but Antwerp being a port, both Ghent and Verviers were trading/manufacturing fabric, Liège was a weapon manufacturing place etc... It was city-specific, not language specific.>again pure cope. the reason the flamenpolitik was a thing was because Flemish people were literally institutionally repressed by french-speakers. Flemish were literally punished for speaking their own language at school, church, city events etc.Listen: ALL Europeans were punished for speaking vernaculars in the 19th century during the nation-state process era. The ONLY difference about the Flemish is that Belgium was so half-arsed in applying those laws (contrary to France jacobins and German kulturkampf or any other attempt at imposed a standardized language in those new countries) that the Flemish were allowed to choose Dutch as a standardized institutional language. You were given what you wanted and now we never hear the end of it. Exactly like women being given rights and instead of being grateful they can't stop whining about their muh 2000 year oppression.BTW that "francophone oppression" was self-inflicted, it was flemish francophones imposing standardization on flemish speakers
>>219359999>qrd?Northern French flemish-larpers who can barely mumble a few words of dutch, waving a flemish nationalist flag, decide to go to Flanders thinking they will be received as a brother, but they are received as filthy frenchmen instead.Offended Walloon guy asking those frenchmen to "speak flemish then" if they cosplay as Flemish, and they can't, to the confusion of the Walloon who's like "why the hell are you cosplaying as flemish if you can't even speak dutch, what the fuck is that"Turn out they are larping as flemish nationalists because they hate the politics of Paris and the French republic, understandably.Unintentionally extremely funny.
>>219360030Germans never imposed the language harshly, even France that is memed as being oppressive has adopted standard French without much violence or coercion.There is a big difference between a Norman adopting standard French vs a Flemish person
>>219360172>Offended Walloon guy asking those frenchmen to "speak flemish then" if they cosplay as Flemish, and they can't, to the confusion of the Walloon who's like "why the hell are you cosplaying as flemish if you can't even speak dutch, what the fuck is that">Turn out they are larping as flemish nationalists because they hate the politics of Paris and the French republic, understandably.lol, to be fair they still are Flemish in some sense but yeah the word has shifted meaning in Belgium, given it applies to Brabant too
>>219358864the fact that you compare 1 tiny village to the lingual issue plaguing Flemish people in our fucking capital city is hilarious.By your own logic ALL of Brussels should be monolingual Dutch tomorrow, as French speakers moved there and imposed their own language on the locals who actually built the city from the ground up. It is even a false comparison as Flemish locals in Durbuy literally ALL speak French. Your victim complex in this thread is entirely imaginary. Walloons are lazy animals that have refused any sort of cooperation with the Flemish for about 190 years now. Any chance they are given, they will play the victim.>>219360030let me reply for him>first statementpure cope, again. There was a set, shared identity among language borders shared between what are now Flemish and Dutch people going back to the 1300s. As exemplified through Wallonia being seen as trusted French-adjacent in the French empire while Flemish were seen as outsiders and distrusted across the nation.>second statementyou did not lose your language. 'Walloon' language is pure cope. It is just fukcing French and always was French. You are not special.>BTW that "francophone oppression" was self-inflicted, it was flemish francophones imposing standardization on flemish speakersyour ability to just straight up lie for your narrative is crazy. You're a psychopath or a narcissist at best. Again, 99% of Flemish people were not allowed to speak Dutch even though most of them literally did not understand French. Walloons spoke an accent of French, it's entirely different.
Ngl reading threads like this makes me appreciate so called "globohomo". I dont care about the self-importance you put in your local inbredville ok?
>>219360187>There is a big difference between a Norman adopting standard French vs a Flemish personCase in point: Belgium gave right to the Flemish to speak Dutch, while France didn't.Who's endlessly complaining? The Flemish in Belgium.
>>219360402>Ngl reading threads like this makes me appreciate so called "globohomo". I dont care about the self-importance you put in your local inbredville ok?same desu
>>219360327>you did not lose your language. 'Walloon' language is pure cope. It is just fukcing French and always was French. You are not specialI kinda disagree, Walloon in the north was and is still somewhat distinctive, certainly more than most other northern French dialects.Regardless, it seems to me far less prserved than west Flemish is(in Belgium anyway...)It's similar to Switzerland, the Arpitan side in Romandy almost totally dropped the local dialects while the German side actually speaks dialect a lot, althougn slowly standard German is seeping in as well as internal dialectal levelling.
>>219360416Yeah a non extinct people has the ability to stand up for itself, that is not a crazy observation.Someone from southern Baden is not crazy about speaking Alemannic as someone from Switzerland, because they have no nation or identity to rally around as strongly
>>219360327>It is even a false comparison as Flemish locals in Durbuy literally ALL speak French. Wrong, the amount of Flemish scouts who act like niggers and entitled in the Ardennes is huge, and they speak Flemish. Everyone hates them.>Your victim complex in this thread is entirely imaginary. Walloons are lazy animals "Victim complex" then you literally call Walloons lazy animals>Walloon' language is pure cope. It is just fukcing French So you don't even know that the Walloon language exists...>Again, 99% of Flemish people were not allowed to speak Dutch even though most of them literally did not understand French.So: Flemish who can't speak French="poor victims"but Walloons who can't speak Dutch="arrogant lazy animals".Ok...
Man, ik ben blij dat de Friezen te klein een volk zijn om dit soort onzin te verkondigen.
>>219348640Flemish makes me think of phlegm
>>219360706Frisian should have won over Low Frankish
>>219359559Wrong. We let the French stay in areas they settled. Big mistake. In my opinion the conquest isn't complete until the rats are eradicated.
>>219348370>She's about a much flemish as a muttmerican with 2 flemish parents living in muttmericaamerican is more of a real ethnic identity than flemish isso your post is only right because flemish isnt a real thing
