What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldOld >>219339348
>>219457778Bump for you
How do I improve listening?
>>219454970 So you've tried all the languages I'm currently considering. Should I give up Spanish or French while learning German at the same time? I'm afraid that French might be too difficult to learn at the same time, but on the other hand, it would be a shame to leave the more difficult one for last, especially since I occasionally want to learn Japanese (and Portuguese, Greek, Russian, Swedish... It depends if I randomly hear a good song in foreign language or not, but I will try to make a bubble only with current TLs)
>>219458843Drop French for now, focus on German and Spanish. Once you have more experience and a couple langs under your belt, you'll have an easier time with the harder ones. I'm a fan of the start easy and work your way up approach.
>>219459237Ok, Spanish and German then
>>219457778Honestly I think IPA is really helpful
Spanish is hard
>>219446183>>219445839the old/early research that tested short term recall of learned material found that morning was the best. the newer research that focuses more on long term retention and sleep consolidation doesn't find robust correlations for time of day but does consistently find that sleeping/napping improve retention, so might be valuable to rest after studying or review anki right before bed.but an easy hack for improved retention is to turn of all lights for 3-4 hours before bed, turn the brightness on any screens way down and install a blue light filter. Bright light delays melatonin onset which degrades sleep quality and thus consolidation. You can use candles or oil lantern which are many times lower in lux/edi than even a very dim lamp.This isn't a minor finding, either. They've been doing a ton of research on this in the last 1-2 years and some of the researchers think that a lot of modern ADHD symptoms and a large portion of modern mood and memory disorders in general may be a result of circadian disruption from bright light at night
>>219460347i like ale too it helps me study
rate my mandarinhttps://vocaroo.com/1oFkAtAYrBni
>>219460455>thinks the easiest second-language for a native english speaker to learn is hardgrim
>>219460883Don't shit on people trying to learn a new language, it's a bad look on you
I found a dabbling hack I use my other TL to learn a new one
>>219461247it's called "bridging"
>>219460883nta but I think dutch, swedish, norwegian, german are all easier than spanish
>>219461643Grammatically, yes, but taking into account>amount of learning resources and media available>hourly rate for tutors>motivation to actually learn it due to it's utility>amount of native speakers that will practice with you instead of switching to English immediatelySpanish blows those bitches out of the water
>>219461643>>219462006>German>Grammaticaly easier for English native speakersrly?
>>219460455Which aspect?
Japanese is HARD
Here's how you mindbreak the ESL who struggles with articles:In Canada, if you order a Caesar, you're ordering a drink. If you order the Caesar, you're ordering a salad.
>>219460883swedish is a good 2x times easier to learn than spanish>>219462828obviously German still has far more in common with English than French or Spanish does, both have weak and strong adjectives, verbs, nouns (the distinction is largely gone in English), modals, weird plurals, articles, vocab correspondences, phonology, etc. Other than French (because vocab) it's still easier than like every other non-Germanic language for EFLs to learn
>>219462006hey argie fren can you answer me this >>219442793>>219442844
>>219445839For certain personality types prone to suffer from overthinking and distraction, I think now the best way to orient yourself towards consistent study (and let's be real, tangible progress) is to handle your objective as you would your hygiene, rather than a programmed series of progressions you must complete. I've extrapolated this from some advice from a /fit/izen about six or so years ago:>People with good physiques exercise roughly the same amount every week. Lifting weights, running, swimming, biking, etc. A modicum of self control in regards diet and a few hours a week of exercise is all it takes to be attractive. What gymcels get wrong is that they aren't using their sense of moderation. They tend to be all-or-nothing types that relapse hard on bad habits because they don't know how to gracefully handle slumps in energy and motivation. In their minds, even a slight deviation from whatever program they've contrived means a complete failure. They make it too integral to their personality. Just treat it instead like brushing your teeth twice a day, showering, washing your clothes, vacuuming, etc. As the pithy platitude you've likely heard before puts it, the best way to learn is to inculcate a desire within yourself to be a 'lifelong-learner.' This is the positive way you can interpret that /DJT/ meme "You can't learn Japanese." There really is no end to learning your TL, and fluency is not a mountain peak you can distinctly measure and time and plan for at base camp. It's something you habitually attend to like brushing your teeth or working out. Maybe you're humiliated from a recent visit to the dentist's office where you were scolded for not brushing your teeth. Well, just brush two times a day from now on. Maybe you're despondent over getting rejected by a girl you liked. Well, go to the gym at least three times a week and pump iron. It's not like you'll die if you skip brushing your teeth, but it ought to make you feel gross.
>>219463742native english speaker herepeople say caesar salad not the caesarwtf is a caesar drink?
>>219463742i wouldn't ever order either nor go to canada, but i will sure to remember this so my mind doesn't get broken
>>219464183Betting on it being some barfag jargon probably referring to some mixture of alcohol that nobody knows except for him because he worked as a bartender once...yep
>>219463938but I am doing consistent study. I've spent at least 2 hours on my TL every single day. I haven't missed a day.I thought of less study, but I wouldn't accomplish all I want. I do structured lessons mon-friday, anki input and output everyday, and weekends on error correction
You can use anki for vocab but how do you learn grammar and conventions?
>>219464378You can do that with Anki too. Sentence mining.
>>219464348So by dint of the analogy, you're brushing your teeth every day. Good!>I thought of less study, but I wouldn't accomplish all I want.There is no end. So being less anal-retentive about the minutiae won't hurt. >I do structured lessons mon-friday, anki input and output everyday, and weekends on error correctionSo you brush only on weekdays, use mouthwash every day, and you see the dentist on the weekends. Very specific of you.
>>219457778What should I do with the corrections I receive from natives when I try to output? How do I internalize what they teach me?
>>219464378By making cloze cards of phrases of the grammar point you are trying to memorize
>>219464348i watch 6 hours of gaming videos in my TL every day
>>219464729How is your overall comprehension?
>>219464615Clarification and drills. Keep a log of your frictions and feed it to AI once a week and tell it you want to drill errors, and direct you to where to find clarification so you understand these concepts. The AI will be able to determine the grammar concept or area that you struggleThat's what I do. I keep a friction log every week, and if I still struggle with something I keep writing it down every week
>>219464729What games?
>>219464615Honestly, a good corrector will know what to correct and what not to. They won't correct little things that they know you won't remember. So basically just let them correct you, and try to keep their correction in mind, but if you forget it, don't worry, because if you forget it it was probably too early for that correction.
>>219464341Caesars are very popular in Canada.
>>219464755How do I drill their clarification? I was thinking about making Anki cards build like what I mean on the front the corrected sentences by a native of what I did output on the back
>>219464751I unironically went from understanding almost nothing (knew a lot of words intellectually but wasnt able to recognize them in real content) to understanding the large majority of what I hear in like 2-3 months of doing this>>219464802mostly random horror/mystery games and shit like that
>>219464902Drinking is mostly limited to your generation and prior.
>>219465035I did a lot of progress with reading and vocab but my listening is practically inexistent. I can read and understand 90% of a text but I am unable to understand spoken language.I have no idea on how start since the language I am learning don't have a national cinema, I just have podcasts and news channel.
>>219464986after doing that with AI it direct you toward a resource to use for drilling. Or you can tell it to make you a text file of Anki cards to drill
>>219464986>>219465375by the way, you don' drill the clarification. you drill the correction. the clarification is for understanding before youdrilltthen you keep drilling until it cements internally and becomes automatic
>>219464986this is what it looks like for me to have AI make an error correction study plan for me
>>219465637Thanks for the help, man
How do I get the discipline to make it through the first three months of tedious Anki memorization?
>>219465151Blind shadowinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=130bOvRpt24&t=2220s
>>219465035Another win for input, what TL
>>219465868why tedious? i think anki is fun. are you taking it too seriously? i notice some people actually get worked up over not remembering something right away or having to sit down to do this. just don't take it too seriously and don't let it get to you that you're a retard, just press "again" and do it again until you remember it. that's how this system works, next day you'll see the card again and press "again" once more, rinse repeat until you can confidently press "good" and move on. it's a process, not a test that decides over life and death. just relax and go thru it. nothing to stress over, since you are about ot fail many times over in the coming months, that's just how it goes. might seem like a nobrainer and a bit of a plattitude but actually take it to heart. just relax man
>>219465072I'm a Zoomer. Regardless all children know what a Caesar is because their parents order that at Boston Pizza or whatever the fuck.
>>219467069nta but need to get fluent enough to develop a new TL friend circle and look for a spouse while I'm still young enough to be in the youth dating market. its not just an idle hobby for everyone. no time to take it easy
>>219468534you certainly have a different set of problems but it's not what you think it is
>>219457778How to get purple hair duolingo goth gf
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>>219469012come to america
eu aprendo Portugues para miscigenação com Brancas
LA MIA PASTA È FREDDA È FINITO
Can you guys recommend me some Mandarin vloggers?
>>219460811I'd give you a 8/10. Your tone is mostly correct, and I can understand you the first time around.
Hello /int/, I never post on this board but I have a family trip to Japan coming up. We are staying for 20 days, and I wanted to learn Japanese to comfortably interact with locals / sign reading in the most effective manner. I speak Spanish natively and I am above average at language learning, although I am not familiar at all with east asian languages or irregular scripts like Japanese. Is the best method the classic flashcard / spaced repetition, which helped me learn russian, or is there a better method given japanese's unique script-language relation? Any tip that can improve standard study is appreciated. Hope you are all having a great Monday.
>>219472465learning japanese is a several-thousand-hour endeavor. its the third hardest difficult major language besides arabic and korean. the best you can hope for is to memorize some basic phrases
Any good resources on Chinese calligraphy? Preferably with hard-point pens and for writing Kaishu. Either in English or Chinese is fine>in4 you don’t need to handwrite Hanzi broI know, I’m doing this for fun
>>219472465>>219472465you won't reach beyond beginner in less than a year of studying japanesefind a japanese survival phrase deck for Anki with audio and cram it until you gojapanese people don't even go beyond smalltalk with each other so it'll get you far lol
>>219472613>>219472529Thank you for the advice. It is good that Japanese avoid small talk lol, in Georgia it was a chatterfest as soon as they realized you could speak with them. I will take this into consideration and try and prepare a travel toolbox. Do any of you reccomend digging into grammar, what script do street signs and buisness logos usually employ? Is it remotely worth it to try and learn the phonetics to maybe try and figure out what's there?
Does anyone know of any programs/extensions that can turn videos with subs into visual novels? I think language reactor does that but I'd rather not get a million ads. I feel I've seen something like that a few years ago but not sure.
>>219472746japanese don't avoid smalltalk. that is all they do. it's very unlikely you'll have a conversation with one beyond smalltalkyou wont be able to memorise enough kanji to read signs. you can use google lens for reading signsyou can memorise hiragana, katakana, and survival phrases. because all japanese do is smalltalk they'll think you can speak passably but you just memorised a bunch of phrases
>>219472573>English Picrel>or ChineseAnything written by the recently late 田英章>I’m doing this for funBased
>>219452103>>219469036The issue here is that a sentence may not seem "correct" even if it's grammatically plausible because its structure can render it unparsable, this holds true regardless of whether you take a descriptive approach or a prescriptive oneFor example, two semantically equivalent utterances using "look up":>I looked the number which you picked out at random by using a needle and a phonebook up>I looked up the number which you picked out at random by using a needle and a phonebookIn this case the vast majority of English speakers would prefer the latter variant over the former as the sheer distance (15 words) between the verb "look" and its complement "up" can make parsing the sentence highly difficult, both variants are correct syntactically speaking but there's a clear reason why most people would pick one over the other. And in the case of "she's an ugly horse faced" the technically correct phrase is deemed vague and incomplete as most people would expect a noun (like "bitch") to come after it, this isn't a matter of style guide prescriptivism but an actual subconscious preference for unambiguity that's exhibited in every language.Parsability is also the reason why if you chain a bunch of dense noun phrases together (exhibited by some of the posts in that thread) the sentence will end up being hard to keep up with and it would most likely have to be rephrased to be more concise or broken down into easier to digest clauses so people would have an easier time understanding it
>>219473718Also, this is the type of pen I bought. It's the most similar to the pen in the manual
Does your language have any fun particles that are hard to translate? Swedish has "ju" (I know that you know this, kinda) and "väl" (expresses reservation, kinda).
>tra and fra mean the same thing in ItalianWhich do I use?
>>219473718>>219473913Thanks fren! I’ve actually come across 田英章 before in some Chinese youtuber’s rant on “江湖书法”, mentioning how his writing (Kaishu or otherwise) actually sucks dick and too “personalized” (and that’s bad apparently?) and antithetical to 书法 in general (he should have “gone with the flow” to “express his true character” or something equally pretentious at least to my gwailo mind). I’m just saying to get this out of my mind, and I’ll still definitely check him out.
>>219474568I just found a PDF of the book that isn't on a sketchy torrent site:>https://bircokcincekitappdf.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/document.pdfThe one problem I have is, at least in the US, that I have no idea how to obtain the ink the author suggests using short of visiting China and bringing it back. However there are other brands of 碳素墨水 I've found on AliExpress from M&G, but as it is the case with Chinese products, it's probably dubious.
>>219472465HELLO IBERIAN can you answer me this >>219463925
>>219457778I hate the ad for New Zealand travel
>>219472573书法字典大全
>>219475765>>219476718谢谢大哥们!
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>>219465868If you would consult serbanons graph...
>>219472799>turn videos with subs into visual novelsInteresting way of putting it. The free ones that I know are Language Reactor and ASBPlayer. There's also some workflows for mpv if you're into that shit.
>>219472799Your eyes, fingers, keyboard, and a word processor
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/LANG/ DOOD WAT NOU!!!!????
>>219487247People are busy
Russian is hard
>>219488960im hard
>>219489476hey hard i’m barred from entering 3 separate sovereign nations and the supermarket down the road
>>219460347It's really not. They are only good enough approximations. You have to train your ear to recognize the sounds of different languages.
>>219489802did you know the duolingo irish course used to have native speaker audio, that they replaced with TTS slop
how do you determine what cefr level your writing is?
Is there anything like the Nicos Weg series, but for Spanish? Optionally, where the main character is a German named Klaus who came to Spain and was robbed?
>>219480175>this feels good but I'm not making progresswhat to do at this juncture? i can maintain my current routine indefinitely (input heavy, studying light) but i'm not convinced i'm getting the gains i want
>>219492042you got to up the difficulty but at some point it does seem like you hit a point of diminishing returns
comprehensive input is bullshit but people will keep falling for the memespend a year doing CI and come out of it not even able to speak basic sentences
>>219491810DestinosOkupas
>>219492786keep at it buddy english is hard
>>219492827Thank you
>>219492786it has to actually be comprehensible input in the sense of you are able to follow it not in the sense of just being labeled 'CI'. Material can be comprehensible without being labeled as such. material labeled CI can be incomprehensible.sometimes 'CI' won't work if the quality of the material is low and/or if its a very difficult or exotic language, but its still the most time-efficient method when done properly. if you don't believe it works read thishttps://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata-pars-i-1pdf/261371290
>>219493017I think my biggest issue is that I always want to be a little too big for my britches with the input. Somewhere I read that it was supposed to be like 90% comprehensible or something, I probably run more like 60 or 70. I mostly follow along but regularly miss words or misunderstand grammar and occasionally will eat a whole sentence I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>219491810Like a tv show made for learners? Extra en Español
>>219493017i just don't get why you guys are such retarded "either or" autists that it doesn't compute with you that watching 2000 hours of content without ever speaking is not going to make you good at speaking. acquiring a language is a set of skills and ideally you should diversify the exercises you do, including input, output practice, creative writing, and even be aware of grammatical concepts. just seems like a lot of people on here are massive pussies who have never learned how to study so they cope all day long and make posts, in english exclusively of course, about comprehensible input as if they got paid for it. and usually they really have nothing to show for it. >well you see a baby spends its first years not speaking at all, just absorbing unfilte-ACK! shut the fuck up blockhead
>>219493261I don't have the raw thirdie power it takes to confidently Output despite not actually knowing the language worth a shit, and for this reason I will never get better
>>219493261eurofag didnt ask
>>219493553you can practice writing first to get a bit more confident in your ability to express yourself and then slowly start casually smalltalking once every so often. else what's the point kek >>219493709stop typing, you still have 50 episodes of dora the explorer backlogged for today that will make you able to roll an r once you're through with them
I'm thinking about making a program like langreactor that rips subtitles and pipes them to a translation dictionary APIbut instead of being a $20 a month service it'll be FOSS for no cost
>>219493799>pipes them to a translation dictionary APIwhat does that do? is this meant for translation of individual words while watching something?
>>219493847yes. I could pipe it to google translate as well for accurate tranlation instead of fluffed up subs that may have have little to do with what the words mean. that would make a big difference for learning
>>219493731>roll an rno need, since I don't learn euro languages. listening to obnoxious eurotards in english is bad enough
>>219493936didn't know we invented the R but nice to know >>219493879deepl better
>>219458619Listen intently and over and over.
sometimes i want to do a ridiculous amount of anki because it's comfy as shit. i sit outside in a garden shed with an ancient laptop and smoke cigarettes and just want to keep doing this shit for 5 hours but i have a feeling you can't retain any of that knowledge and while i'm sure there are cool videos i could watch, i just barely care for watching videos. i just want to ankigoon ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I have two Anki decksProduction and whatever it's called when you translate from the TL to your native tongue which I'll call input. I've been doing both. The same words just the cards are flipped.Should I phase out my input cards and just do production?
elon.io is so good, but the repetition is already killing me. I hate this forced SRS bullshit in every app, I want novelty, just give me NOVELTY. I don't want to type the same shitty sentence 50 times. I want to type 50 different sentences once. Why can't someone make a language learning app that isn't complete dogshit?
>>219495847>ai images for all the lesson covers>click on korean, go to a random lesson>unnatural textbook sentences, no one talks like this, will not prepare you to understand real speakers, will condition you to sound weird when you try to speakbut point taken about the SRS. i'm making a bunch of language learning apps right now. ideally the srs should track the specific principle/object of that card and represent it in different context every time rather than just showing the exact same sentence over and over
>>219490300I didn't know
>>219495985>unnatural textbook sentences, no one talks like thisIt doesn't really matter, it's just a nice way to activate output after inputting for a while. Like /lang/ translation challenge but with progressive sentences and with instant feedback.I just realized the sentences in each lesson are publicly available so it would be pretty easy to scrape and make my own version with no SRS crap. Tick off which lessons you want to include -> gives you a random sentence from the pool -> if you get it right, it's gone from the pool -> if you get it false, shuffle and try again later.
God damn. I understand pretty well when the dialogue is clear, but as soon as a character in this series is speaking through a radio it's like my comprehension goes from 96-98% down to 0%.I'm wondering if I should train comprehension on just people speaking through radios.
The Assimil language learning series is really good. I'm over 1/4 through Assimil With Ease, over a month in, and my comprehension is becoming decent, both reading and listening. My pronunciation improved a lot as well. Before I started Assimil I could only understand maybe 5% of what I heard. Now I'm at like understanding 60-70% of what I hear. Once I finish the With Ease book, I'm going to start the second advanced one that is supposed to get you to B2 if you internalise most of it.I recommend Assimil to everyone. It can be hard to keep up in the beginning if you're not an good at listening but after a month your mind will largely be adjusted to it. The audio isn't really very slow. Except the first few lessons are pretty slow. As you advance in the lessons it quickly reaches a pace that's closer to the speed that the language is spoken at natively. Most courses will teach you speaking at a snail's pace, then after you're done with the course and you move onto native media it's like you're suddenly thrown into the deep end and can't keep up. You may as well learn to listen to the language at a native pace when you're first getting started learning instead of having to spend a lot of time later adjusting to native speeds. There's not much I have to complain about Assimil. Assimil is also highly regarded by Alexander Arguelle.
what should my daily limits on anki be?
>>219497656assimil = basically graded bilingual texts with recordings?
>look for cartoons dubbed in russian>they're all just dubbed straight over the original audio>mfw simpson has been professionally dubbed in catalan but not russianwhy are they like this?
>>219498138with notes and reviews and designed for learning, and some grammar teaching
>>219498327"Professional" dubbing was reserved for big screen releases for a long time. So look for your Pixar and Dreamworks shit.
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>>219501433huh!
verbs are gay
How can I improve my accent? I was thinking about General American. I went to a bilingual school, and I have no problem talking about complex topics in English (even under the influence of various substances). I have a rich vocabulary, and I can express myself pretty well. But I still sound like a foreigner. How would I go about improving my accent and learning General American, for example?
>>219503964Why would you ever want to sound like a native in your tl Then if you don't get something cultural then people will think you're a retard
>>219504616I'm on Slovakian anon side. The accent, especially in autistic societies like the Anglo ones, is a stigma. Everyone smiles and is nice, but you're less likely to be invited to a party or something like that. The English are more classist in this regard, Americans more focus on brands, but both things occur in both nations.>>219503964Same. Only I would like to add a little, not too much, Southern accent for extra spice
>>219505232>but you're less likely to be invited to a party or something like that.Your perception of the anglopshere is from 90s movies If the Anglos are so autistic and perfidious then they will only ascribe a perfidious motive for you trying to fake being native
>>219503964i think >>219504616 is right and you shouldn't be ashamed of your accent, but i'm also biased because i sort of dislike native english accents across the board (except for some scottish, irish, and australian ones, because there's weird beauty in them), but i spent a great deal of time and effort on achieving a near native accent (general american, previously, received pronunciation because of european schooling). if you still want to pull through with this, you should ask for advice on specific traits of your accent. can you identify major anomalies in your accent? for example, you're slavic, and slavic people often tend to struggle with vowels, where some vowels in slavic languages (even those that are different on this matter, namingly czech and slovak) just cannot be long, but in other european languages they can and often are. or the american r-sound for example, or the dental fricatives, etc. if you want to improve, you need to know what to improve, and you probably know what it is.
>>219504616i think i would like to reach a level that is pretty close. i think like luca lamparillo's english. where it is like nah you can he isn't native but it is pretty darn close.
>>219505530I agree I simultaneously look down on foreigners who have strong accents and foreigners who try to fake a British accent (which always comes across wrong)The only kinda I can tolerate are foreigners with an American accent or people who were born and grew up here so they have an actual British accent not a fake one (we can always tell)
>>219505969this is an interesting paradigm btw. personally, i have no problem with accented german, or near-perfect standard german. but for some reason it rubs me the wrong way when people (even mostly unintentionally) half assedly try to speak a dialect. something just feels really off about it, it's some kind of uncanny valley where they obviously have an interest in the dialect and have done significant research on it in order to replicate it, but some prosody, attitude, and cultural congruence is lost, however minor it may be, but it definitely sticks out and trips you up, and eventually pisses you off. i make an active effort to think positively about it, but somehow it still sometimes gets annoying to listen to. it's the same with overusing slang to feign cultural understanding while, unbeknownst to them, using slang wrong or at least in the wrong setting, where a native would definitely refrain from it. "uncanny" is the only word that comes to mind. that being said though, i know a guy from NL who has, god knows why, mastered scottish english to the point where the islanders can't tell anymore. no clue about the how and why, but i think this is the only foreigner's niche dialect autism that won't annoy people.american english on the other hand seems to have become the standard in acquiring english as a foreign language, and literally nobody will bat an eye if you're noticibly below even close to good. curious!
>>219506214Because we want to get in on the >pale jew orders food from a restaurant in obscure uncontacted chinese tribe dialect, shocks and obliterates locals' expectations like a bulldozed palestinian housegrift. >mastered scottish english to the point where the islanders can't tell anymore. no clue about the how and whyIf you marry into the language then it's frankly pretty simple
>>219506458>pale jew orders food from a restaurant in obscure uncontacted chinese tribe dialecthate that guy like you wouldn't believe>If you marry into the language then it's frankly pretty simplefor sure. he didn't though. he's a lonely internet autist. no family. just personaly brain damage.
>>219506552Just a hobby linguist then that likes Scotland,I don't think he will have any trouble with Scottish customs if he's such a weeaboo about it. This is the kind of person who knows what side of the plate you put the fork when you set the table for a Burns Supper, or something.
>>219506214Some people overuse swear words in English because they think it makes them sound native and fluent but they always use it wrong lolI know what you mean>>219506458This thread HATES xiaoma and all grifters
>>219505530More like from my experience with Anglos. Americans are more obsessed with brands, shoes, phones, gadgets like those crazy water bottles, or whatever is trendy right now. The English are more classist in the classical sense and they pay attention to accents, or even body language, or the origins of their parents, but it's rather a different distribution of emphasis on the same things in both cases
>>219507308i.e. brits are, against all odds, still european lol
>>219507308American brand-worship is slowly infecting us though. Especially in young women
>>219506796which ones are the grifters?
>>219507839nearly all of them, but in essence what's meant is the sensationalist retards cloutchasing by posting cherrypicked interactions where they mumble a couple lines in a foreign language without having learned it rather than merely having memorized a phrase book, so as to farm reactions and garner attention on youtube by baiting normies this describes 90% of language learning youtube because the minions of evil don't even shy away from innocent intellectual pursuits when it come to making money. sad!
>>219507951or, in short: any person who charges money for information pertaining to language learning. there is 0 secret or hidden knowledge in it, so a telltale sign is selling a method or a product. there might be use in individual products made by those people, but even with those the price isn't fair at all and it's most likely a money making scheme.
Can Duolingo sue me if I remake their app into a better version that doesn't suck so much Shouldn't be hard desu
>>219507308>More like from my experience with AnglosIf you have experiences with us from which you can remember 'being invited to parties' then you are probably 40 years old
>>219508467Only if you use the same cartoon characters. I doubt the exercises are patented.
>>219494645Personally I'd stick to just the input side. I do not really like the idea of a production deck, because I think it trains you to think in your native language then translate. But in a conversation you do not have time to think "okay I want to say 'boat' now what is the word for 'boat' in my target language".
>>219508467Someone else already did that but it flopped
>>219508950actually retarded btw
Does anyone here like making languages? I've been trying to gather some people to do so.
>>219505969lola lot of language learning courses teach british pronunciation by default. that's just how they learnt to speak English. A lot of these people will have learnt from British instructors and not Americans.it's the same for Spanish. Language learning schools in Europe are going to teach Castillian pronunciation instead of Americas
>>219510350I know you are anon but idk what that has to do with the conversation
>>219508781Closer to 30. I haven't had much contact with Americans, but from what they said, that's how it is, and I have a Polish-American friend (naturalized at a young age) who said she was somewhat excluded because of her accent (which she got rid of) and her background.But I think accent is super important in the Anglosphere and automatically pigeonholes* you. Sometimes I see American right-wingers calling right-wingers from other countries leftists because they equate some trivial thing with a whole set of views (and vice versa).*did I use this correctly?
>>219510657afaik the only places that still teach British accent as the main one are former colonies like India and Hong Kongeven Spain and France teach American
thoughts?!
>>219512670TL subs are easier in Chinese because it helps you figure out what character it is
my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINOplease chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife
I'm an amerifat who moved to Buenos Aires 3 years ago, but I've begun to realize that there's no ass in this country, and I'm an ass man, and Brazilian women have a monopoly on ass, so I've started bridging from my intermediate Spanish to Portuguese so I can visit Rio or Sao Paolo occasionally to get my fix of bunda, and if it's good enough I might say fuck these no-ass having argie bitches stay in Brapzil permanently.
>>219512670>>219512698https://www.languagereactor.com/>possible the first useful use of AI
>>219512670He's not completely wrong. TL subs are good when they're accurate and you're at a level where you need them to do lookups and you need time to understand. However, they are just a crutch and your goal should be to get better at listening so you don't have to rely on them. You start off by pausing after every subtitle line and needing time to understand, then you get to a point where you can watch in real-time without pausing, and at that point you should be trying to focus on listening and using the subs as a hint to fill in the gaps through a quick glance/scan instead of being in full "reading mode". I feel like I do this automatically, naturally trying to get "faster" at understanding and it's just something you figure out with enough experience so TL subs don't necessarily hold you back if you're aware of it.He says he's watching dubbed content and the subs never match on that so I can see how it can be distracting. NL subs could potentially be better in that case because you're not activating "reading mode", you're just occasionally glancing at the overall meaning. As with all things in language learning, it's best to try things yourself and see if they work for you or not.
