What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!**Comprehensible Input Wiki**https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_PageRead the wiki:https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_WikiUseful links:>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed)>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refoldOld >>219561607
Do not learn russian
>>219683092Too late
>>219683092W-what are you gonna do to me if I do?
farsi teacher was going through the days of the weeki remarked that joome (friday) probably comes from jumma (friday prayers in arabic), which is correctshe got angry and went on a rant about how iran isn't a muslim country and iranians aren't muslims
>>219684562Interesting. The russian word for sunday "voskresenye" literally means "resurrection"
>>219684562Eye-run-ians. Aryans.>>219676993 >>219677011 Yeah, I thought that since my German was a bit better, I could add another language. Initially, Spanish was supposed to replace German, but I started liking both again and started learning two>stop dabbling (not just with languages)Too late I decided to become a Renaissance man FOR SERIOUS. I have always been impressed by the level of organization some people have put in. I just wanted to complain a little because it hit me that two months have already passed. On a positive note, tomorrow I will either get a raise or I will be unemployed, so I will have more time to focus on hobbies
>>219683092i tried years ago, but i gave up because i made the mistake of taking an irl night course and ended up in a class with 5 poles who were all already half-fluent, so the class moved too fast for my angloid brain
learning french by listening to negro musichttps://youtu.be/ClF7yTV94yI?si=Wa5Cm45FxQk80KVJ&t=96
Why can I learn nouns so much easier than verbs? Regardless of conjugation just learning a verb is harder than a noun
what is the stage called where you can express anything you want but can't understand a single sentence of a native nigger speaking?
>>219686555I think either because nouns are easier to visualize or the noun has a 1-to-1 equivalent in your NL. A lot of verbs may not have an equivalent verb in english, whereas i'd say more or less every noun has one.
>>219687827being deaf
>>219676601>6 hours of guitar a day to get goodyou only need 3 hours topseven 2 is plentyeven top world class musicians generally practice like 2-4 hours a daythere are heavy diminishing returns to a sort of low-variable skill like an instrumentI sang bass in professional high level choirs when I was younger. I did not sing 10 hours a day. I didn't even set a specific practice time Probably only 2 hours a lot of days. I was just really uptight about getting the sound right and would finick with every line until I was happy with the phrasing and texture. This is the main quality of a good musician. You actively, consciously improve in an intelligent iterative fashion. You don't just sit and play 6 hours and hope to get better over time. Trying to practice too many hours can actually backfire since you degrade your attention and develop bad habits.
>>219687827the autistic stage. you've studied and learned the grammar, syntax, phonology, vocabulary, etc. to perfection, but forgot that languages are meant for speaking and listening to real people, which you don't do.
>>219688698My input for Chinese is just reading English tweets grok translated to Chinese because 1: I am addicted to that site anyways 2: the browser extension makes it more convenient to hover over characters for meaning than having to draw them or guess the pronunciation. So I hardly interact with native content let alone videos.
>>219688872
>>219688872thats genius what the hell
>>219686555nouns are physical things and are very concrete and definite. bread is bread. a car is a car.verbs, other than basic ones that describe physical actions, are vague and difficult to define. what is the difference between considering and pondering? and so on"simple" verbs like find, get, put, etc usually have multiple meanings which makes them even harder
>>219687827I wish I had your condition. I'm 2.5 years into studying Spanish through pure input. My comprehension is impeccable but I speak like a fucking retard. I'm now scrambling to improve it so I can stop getting weird judgmental looks from people after they find out how long I've been at it.
>>219688645I played a little as a kid, but I don't remember anything, so I'm starting from scratch and I want to play like a true top player and reach technical heights. But still. Even with 2 hours a day. I also like drawing, I want to make my own video game, I want to learn how to do tattoos and many many other things from my bucket list. And a few more languages on my list. I don't have time, I should have started doing what I like earlier>>219690207>My comprehension is impeccable but I speak like a fucking retardYou described my English, kek.
started learning russian yesterday. my only motivation was that i like the way it sounds. i studied an anki deck of the cyrillic alphabet, which was fun, but when i started the vocabulary deck it hit me just how hard the pronunciation is. then i thought about the grammar and i said screw it, i'll stick to easymode romance/german languages.
>>219682990ugh
>>219691016What exactly about the pronunciation and grammar did you find hard?
Are you learning a “useless” language? Why?
>>219683092I'm not, don't worry.
>>219692462I'd learn Finnish if it had more resources and cool media
Learning Chinese writing along with reading is slowing me down massively, it's simply too hard in terms of opportunity cost. I will learn writing later.
Any good anki decks for (Brazilian) Portuguese?And is it better to make your own decks or use someone else's?
>tfw when you got input today
>>219691016Man just go one day at a time, learn how to say "I shit my pants" and break down and analyze it. Eventually it will all come together. Inflections ain't hard bro trust
>>219690207Assimil blind shadowing, and FSI speech drills will fix it. It's something you can fix but you won't notice progress as you fix it much, then one day suddenly you're on pronouncing most things fluently and speaking fluidly. You mimic, then drill it to a habit and it all starts happening subsconiously.you did too much input now you have to do full tilt oufputit might take longer than a month since you have some deeply ingrained bad habitsit took me over a month of shadowing before I could stick to a speaker's words at the same pace like glue, then once you can stick to their words the habit corrections will pile up. It's hard at first for weeks but you adjust without knowing it.
When you're learning a language at what point does the Dunning Kruger effect wear off and you hit the wall and have a crises of competence?
Russian is pretty easy after learning German and some of its grammar. Very satisfied I can read most of it and understand it. Irish has been easy too, but I've not gotta too much into it like Russian.
>>219693103I'm just about to jump into chinese. I have some experience with learning it for a couple of months like 10 years ago. I have a lot of practice with Japanese but I've become disillusioned with it and also might be moving to Taiwan as well. What resources do you use? I'm assuming input since you are skipping the writing
>>219688872You can't find chinese tweeters?
>>219693103learning how to write massively improves your character recognition skillsskipping writing is a reddit meme that holds people back permanently
>>219688872>>219689240this is just training you to translate-read not properly readalso that translation is overly literal and too close to the English, doesn't sound natural (你居住的城镇 is better rendered as 你所居之处)
Just hit 2k words in my russian mining deck :=)
Anyone here learning Mandarin Chinese and have any preferred dictionaries to use with Yomitan? I checked out the Oxford zh-en dictionary from github /MarvNC/yomitan-dictionaries and it had so many definitions that it was annoying to use for simple words so I just went back to CC-CEDICT. The frequency dictionaries are unfortunate, too; apart from the HSK one they're all 10+ years old and from academic/literary/news corpora so they're not very accurate for everyday speech
translation challengeJapan is turning footsteps into electricity! Using piezoelectric tiles, every step you take generates a small amount of energy. Millions of steps together can power LED lights and displays in busy places like Shibuya Station. A brilliant way to create a sustainable and smart city -- turning movement into clean, renewable energy
>>219682990>Grew up poor and lacking resources to learn languages >When I finally attain independence and financial stability at 25 my brain plasticity is already gone foreverTime is so cruel bros.... I'll literally never speak German fluently with minimal accent
>>219687827How the fuck do you even do that man, I have the exact opposite problem and I'm betting 99% of other language learners do too
>>219691811>GrammarCase system for a Romance language speaker like Spanish is a crazy new concept (ironically ignoring that Latin itself is case based) >Pronunciation Russian goes wack with the stresses changing shit like O being pronounced as an A or G becoming a V etc. it's just annoying that you'll never be able to read something and know how to say it unless you hear it spoken first.
>>219695631How long did you study Russian for? I'm B2 German myself.Russian vocab is just whipping my arse bloody, I can't remember jackshit
how long do you guys input in a day?
>>219687827>>219700933auditory processing disorder/AuDHD
>>219700995Russian cases were never really a problem for me, despite swedish having no case system. Cases just seem hard at first since there are technically like 24 different gender+case combinations for one adjective, but you'll quickly realize that case inflection and usage aren't that hard at all. As for pronunciation, yes it's a problem but i'd say lots of languages don't actually have 100% consistent phonetics, what with diphthongs, vowel reduction, connected speech, tones/pitch etc. There are patterns and rules for pronunciation that you kind of just pick up as you learn to pronounce more and more words.>shit like O being pronounced as an A or G becoming a VG turning to V is an old spelling rule, I think it only applies words that contain eгo/oгo, which i've only seen in masc/neut genitive of every adjective and "ceгoдня.>>219701051How long have you studied russian and how do you learn vocabulary?
>>219700995Switch to Belarusian then, their orthography is far more phonemic :DDD
I was learning french but I stopped a while back. What do I do to get back into it? Is there a test to determine what my level is at and what I should do?
How do I translate? I can pick out single words OK but I don't really know connotation or idioms.For example, this passage:>C’est dans le premier sens qu’il est pris par les économistes et les politiques. L’individualisme économique est la doctrine bien connue du non-interventionnisme, du laisser-faire, laisser-passer. L’individualisme politique est la doctrine qui réduit l’État à la seule fonction de défense à l’extérieur et de sécurité à l’intérieur ; ou encore celle qui préconise la décentralisation (régionalisme et fédéralisme), ou encore celle qui défend les minorités contre les majorités (libéralisme) et se trouve amenée par la logique à prendre en mains la cause de la plus petite minorité : l’individu.I would translate it as this:>It is in the first sense that it is taken by economists and politicians. Economic individualism is the well-known doctrine of non-interventionism, of laissez-faire, of free movement. Political individualism is the doctrine which reduces the state to the sole function of external defense and internal security; or further that which advocates decentralization (regionalism and federalism), or further that which defends minorities against majorities (liberalism), and that finds itself led by logic to take in hand the cause of the smallest minority: the individual.But google translate says this:>It is in the first sense that it is understood by economists and politicians. Economic individualism is the well-known doctrine of non-interventionism, laissez-faire, and laissez-passer. Political individualism is the doctrine that reduces the State to the sole function of external defense and internal security; or that which advocates decentralization (regionalism and federalism), or that which defends minorities against majorities (liberalism) and is thus led by logic to champion the cause of the smallest minority: the individual.
>>219708271hehe it's a frog
>>219708289translation challengeeasyit's a frogwhere are the frogs?don't eat the frog!mediumhe said frogs are to be loved and protectedif there were more frogs the world would be a better placeaccording to prominent scientists frogs are the most powerful amphibianhardwrite a story about a frog
>>219709175>easyc'est une grenouilleoù sont les les grenouillesmangez la grenouille!>mediumil a dit que les grenouilles doivent être cuites et mangéess'il y avait plus de grenouilles à manger, le monde serait meilleurselon des scientifiques éminents, les grenouilles sont les amphibiens les plus savoureux>hardécrivez une histoire sur une grenouille.ez
>>219710030
>>219710030what possesses someone to learn french
>>219711611When the sentences have words that looks great like ''grenouille','' it's a great language; when it has words I don't like it's a terrible language, but I didn't see any that I didn't like here so it's alright.
should i learn chinese or korean (i prefer chinese women but like the korean language more)?
>>219714882in response to the current "becoming Chinese" trend I am greatly exaggerating the difficulty of Chinese to deter retards from learning ittherefore, you should learn Korean
>>219711611oiseaux
Brb learning how to say "un poco" in a bunch of languages
learning how to pronounce the dutch "g".It feels like Arabic with their "kh"s
>>219711611cueilleur
>>219702941Only been doing Russian for 2 months now, but solo studying is shit I wanna sign up for classes
i wish I had chosen any other language that besides the literal single hardest major language for english speakers to try to get fluent intoo late to turn back now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxJnk5t6o84Ran out of Swedish tv shows. A lot of them were decent but like, one season with 5 episodes type of shit that you can easily binge in a couple days. I could re-watch some after I have the chance to forget them.Have to go back to readmaxxing for a while. Feels like a step backwards because it takes more effort and I don't get a lot of listening gains. There's also podcasts, but I can't sit through them even though I'm reading/listening at the same time.
English speakers have a special word for the fingers of the feet.
should native english speakers speak more international english when travelling or should esls learn more varieties of english?
>>219717112esls learning more imo.
>>219716585And how many total hours of study would you estimate you got? Did you take classes for german?>>219716810What's shows did you watch?
>>219717223>FinishedVåra vänners livLite som duClarkKärlek och anarkiGlaskupanSyndenSnabba CashInnan vi dörKalifat>DroppedBron - half of it is in Danish, couldn't get through the first episode lolBjörnstad - watched 2 episodes but I just wasn't feeling it...>Can't find download/subsSolsidanWallanderVår tid är nu
if everyone learns english, anthroponymic anglicization via phonetic compatibility will peak and non-christians indians will be named johndo you support this?
>>219717364Found solsidan with swedish subs on a private tracker: https://mega.nz/folder/JMIkzbgK#pa831fd-iQdpPbQ-IfFe8gSolsidan is a classic and theres 8 seasons of it so plenty of listening practice.
>>219717364How long have you been learning Swedish and how well do you understand stuff?
>>219682990I'm starting mandarin, please pray for me.
>>219701893I've been doing 2-4 hours a day lately, but I was doing less leading into that, and I'll probably back off at some point. I'm trying to get to a point where I can get more out of audio-only resources (podcasts, I guess). Then I'll probably back off the videos a little bit.
anyone else learning a foreign language for nabbing a foreign hottie?
how far in of learning a language do you hit the intermediate wall where you feel like you're not making progress? I'm 6 weeks into my TL and I did feel a little wall for about a week but I broke through it yesterday and feel like I'm making progress againIs it like 3 months in learning a TL?or a month? 6 months?
this channel is better intermediate korean CI than most actual korean CI channelshttps://youtu.be/G17xXdkpirE?si=tVxO608Qh8tnSKNq
>>219721921>>219714882why are there like 12 american flags all learning korean in this general
I was procrastinating in my study a lot, and dreading to study. I was studying 4 hours a day. I thought it was going to be over, because that's always how I give upI decided that I had to do something or i would be over. I cut my workload for my TL to nearly half, and went from 4 hours to 2 hours a day. And I did it without really sacrificing on the areas I'm studying.I stopped reviewing everything 20x down to 5x, and cut down my production practice to 30 minutes. Powered through one of my Anki decks to finish new cards and just have reviews on it. Then, I cut my Anki decks down to 85% from 88%, and cut my sentence production deck down to 80%. I'm taking it slow with my sentence production deck now. Now I look forward to studying again.So here's some advice if you start dreading study and procrastinating. Cut your workload. It'll give you a second wind
>>219720723That's why most of them are doing it. There's a lot of yellow fever fetishists learning pingping or whatever the fuck. Because they fawn over asian women. I'm learning for work myself.
>>219722679>learning for lovebased>learning to make more profit for mr shekelsteincringe
>>219717223Last German classes were in uni back in 2022, since then I really can't say how many hours I've done because I've read and watched so much German content
but this is true? english natives now do it on purpose by typing "vro" instead of bro
>>219722985>make more profit for mr shekelstein to earn money for love
bumpas
>>219722679Those people should learn Russian for central Asian baddies. It's easier.
>>219692462Why not? Its nicer to engage with things you find interesting, than things with real world value you loathe doing.
>>219704653Find a cute French girl who does video essays in French o algo
>>219711611French cunny
>>219718197Thanks, downloading.>>2197191356 months, about ~150 hours of input. I can read simpler books and watch TV shows with TL subs, still need to lookup words a lot. Listening is a bit behind, but I can get through a beginner podcast like Livet på lätt svenska.
>>219728049https://www.youtube.com/@Aline_dessine
>>219722679>Because they fawn over asian women.Jokes on you, I want an asian man.
>>219730145
>>219704653maybe try to read a french learning book using the natural method and see on which chapter it stops making sense to you and use that as an assesement
Does anyone have a preferred Chinese textbook+workbook? Or would it just be best to use the HSK books?
Languages I wish I could learn to fluency:>Spanish >French>Welsh>Mandarin>Japanese>Finnish >Sanskrit>Toki Pona>Esperanto >Klingon That is all.
>>219732330whats stopping you besides the bitch in you?inner me?enemyinnermeenemyennermeenemy
>>219732417eminem
>>219732417I am retarded, pathetic worm of a man and never follow through anything of difficulty to completion.
>>219732489nibble on toki ponathat seems the easiest one there
>>219688872there is so much chinese porn accounts the disadvantage is it will make you horny>>219689499wouldn't reading natives shit posting be better than machine translation?
>>219731961I like the Hanyu books. They are activity books for foreign born Chinese kids. My girlfriend gave me them.
Has anyone here read picrel?
>>219731961new practical chinese reader series for beginnersboya series for advanced
>>219727808outside of kazakhstan the fluency rate is low, a larger share of israel's population (15%) speaks russian than uzbekistan's (14.2%). I don't think turkics are eager to speak the language of their former coloniser to some random yellow fever foreigner in the first placeWhere did this retarded meme of "russian is like the key to central asia!!" come from, nowadays it isn't any more powerful than English is and central asians were never known for their high Russian fluency rate even back when most of the region was majority ethnic Russian as a result of Soviet settler colonialism russification policies>>219732540well it's also the most useless one unless you're eager to talk to trannies or papuan tribesmen
>>219734815>>219736630thanks both!
>>219736700it's a cope reason for western Russian learners post-Ukraine war now that they can't go to actual Russiafluency figures are distorted by rural population, if you only looked at urban then it would be much higher. Central-Asianboos also only care about Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan because they are the most developed countries.anyway, uzbek sila
are there any benefits to knowing japanese if you don't watch anime?
>>219682990Poorfag here, are the premium dreaming spanish videos uploaded for free anywhere?Por favor...
>>219738462Not really unless you want to live in Japan.
>>219738462easier to learn Chinese
>>219738462I've always wanted to learn it in order to play retro video games that never got a translation
>>219738462easier to learn Korean
>>219738462easier to learn Thai
>>219739652mostly false, it would be easier to understand Sino-Korean words by learning Mandarin or Cantonese rather than Japanese. Korean and Jap grammar is also not that similar>>219739704shut up
i am learning french to seduce stupid american women
>>219739652This, but entirely down to my morbid curiosity/obsession with the DPRK
>>219741221>my morbid curiosity/obsession with the DPRKIf you select north korea on famelack there's exactly one station that plays NK movies, if you haven't seen that already
this is my real retention rate for my production deck translating whole sentences to my TLit's brutal, and the cards pile up.would it help to lower desired rention from 80% to 70%?
>>219738462One day the world will collapse and Japan alone will remain a refuge amongst the destruction. If you know Japanese you'll have a better chance than most at getting one of the few spots reserved for refugees
>>219741902No. Production cards are just inherently agonizingly difficult compared to recognition cards. But the payoff can be worth it if you use them intelligently. I thought I was stupid and began to wonder if I had brain damage for the same reason and having similar percentages, too. No it's just the difficulty of production cards.
>>219742142i feel like the efficiency must be low due to the difficulty, you could probably go through a lot more input cards in the same time. maybe this is useful if youre in a situation where you have good comprehension but can't speak and want to transition to output training
>>219739796>mostly falsewhat? what are you on about? japanese and korean are insanely similar structurally. a lot of sentences are literally exactly the same with words swapped out. not to mention you've already internalized agglutinative structure, subject dropping, head finality, etc. also a lot of words have a better conceptual counterpart between the two languages than to english so word translation works better. knowing one gives you a massive advantage in learning the other
>>219741990but what if I want to die right now
>>219742142>>219743268I'm trying to brute force automacity with sentence production
>>219720723Legit the most retarded reason to learn a language on the planet.
>>219690207What's your native language? Portuguese?
>>219728929No problem. The subs are pretty awful, half of the them don't match what's actually being said but I'm not sure what you're used to
>>219741990Japan is cooked lil bro. There's a higher chance of it being overrun with Chinese within the next century, than whatever you're yapping about ever coming to fruition.You would be better off speaking mandarin.
>>219743800That's subs in general though. They need brevity so the slowest of retards can read them before they vanish.
Is learning Icelandic a meme
>>219743976If you don't care about the language, moving there or any niche Icelandic media, then yes.
>>219743976it's supposed to be the closest to Old Norse. maybe there is a point if you're interested in both
>>219743976yeah but then again what isn't a "meme". Learning any language other than English for "career advancement" is a meme unless you're planning on living there
>>219740225i am learning japanese chinese and korean so i wont ever have to talk to an american woman gain
>>219682990I started learning (brazilian) Portuguese earlier this week and have been enjoying it a lot so far, even though I don't know shit I find it way easier than the other language I know (somewhat) Japanese.But, is watching Anime/reading manga/VNs in fansubbed BrPt a good idea? I find that it's a lot easier to get through this stuff because It's media I enjoy, but I worry about translation issues and it sounding somewhat stilted.I found a website with a ton of fansubs and have been watching one from there.Obrigado meus amigos
assimil is great no matter what your TL is
>people who already speak English are still worried about the utility of a language in the year of our lord 2026brònach
>>219709175Excuse my terrible japanese i am awful at outputting I always sound stilted and have to look up words to remember them>easyカエルだ。カエルってどこ?カエル食べないで!>medium彼は「カエルは絶対に愛でられるや守られる。」といった。カエルはもっと豊かになれば世界がより良い場所になるよ。有数の科学者によるとカエルが再協力の両棲類という。>hardカエルすっごく面白いんだけどヌルヌルしてるとこ大嫌い!
>>219745562>再協力の両棲類最強の両生類*
>>219743410I did that too. It's not a path often travelled and it's extremely frustrating. But it works.
>你们好,我是AI小语
who else look forward and eager to study?dont count it if it's still your first 3 months
>>219743976If you're a German speaker and you learn Icelandic to fluency, I bet you could understand all three scandinavian languages without even trying.
>>219743410can you explain how you make these cards? I;ve never heard of someone doing this with anki and i'd be interested to hear how you go about it
>>219717364Might be a bit advanced, but there's a podcast with audio recordings from trials + commentary called Rättegångspodden that's good if you like crime stuff. Courtroom recordings are publicly available via freedom of information laws here.P3 Dokumentär is a classic too. People say it's gotten worse, but I haven't noticed that much, but that might be me sucking. Other stations have documentary shows too. Also watch the Kalle Anka Christmas special and Sällskapsresan to understand when people reference them.
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>>219744640I watch anime subbed in German, I just trust it.As a native PT speaker myself, I think most Brazilian translations are alright. There was a big drama with Chainsaw Man back in the day when the fans preferred an unofficial fantranslation over the official one (it was kind of a stupid meme more than anything)
Dropped Spanish for now. Focusing on German now, it's fun, but it's tempting to dabble in French, Italian and Japanese. I regret not learning French and Italian in the 2000s when I had the opportunity at school.
What is the best advice you've ever been given for language learning? For me, it was shadowing. On the surface it seems stupid, but it really works on multiple levels from pronunciation correction especially to vocal output automacity, plus a little boost to memorisation and comprehensionyou can shadow with any audio too
>>219753727IPA. But not by studying all these names and symbols as lang-nerds advise, but by focusing on the sounds that I have trouble with or that are not present in the Polish languageShadowing as well and that it is worth studying the audio without the text so that the Polish spelling does not interfere with pronunciation
I need the best non meme youtube channel for mandarin
>>219753410>but it's tempting to dabble in French, Italian and Japanese.Indeed it is.
My plan for improving audio comprehension: >listen to podcast>listen with transcript>make anki cards for words/phrases/idioms I'm learning>listen againWhat do you think?
>>219756202I didn't do the anki part but that is basically my system. I used Linq when doing the transcript listen. It worked pretty well I think. My listen comprehension is good and I can listen to native podcasts now without much problem.
>>219757135What's linq?
>>219709175那是青蛙青蛙在哪裡不要吃青蛙他說青蛙是應該被愛和被保護的(他說我們應該愛和保護青蛙?)如果青蛙更多,就世界會更美好根據有名學者,青蛙是最強兩棲類青蛙先生出門上班了。然後一個法國人來,吃青蛙先生了
>>219756202Do blind shadow first, that is listening and shadowing, then do shadowing as you read and listen. Then do listening only finally without shadowing to check your comprehension. Listening only is only to check comprehensionthen do your Anki cards or whatever
>>219757187Sorry. It is LingQ. It is a website for reading. There is a free version called Lute too. Basically you can take a transcript and mark words as known or unknown. It is linked to a dictionary and makes word look ups really easy.
>>219757970>他說青蛙是應該被愛和被保護的don't overuse 被, it's also a little too informal in this sentence. it works as a literal translation but 被保护 sounds a bit unnatural. Try:他说青蛙应该是人们所爱与保护的>如果青蛙更多,就世界會更美好世界就更美好 (don't need 会 where conditional is already obvious from 如果...就 and there is no verb. 变得更美好 would need 会)>根據有名學者,青蛙是最強兩棲類学者 = learned person科学家 = scientist最强的两栖类 is a bit too scientific, most people would just say 两栖动物>吃青蛙先生了better: 把青蛙先生吃掉了
>>219756202Looks good on paper because you're covering all bases but can you really listen to the same podcast 3 times in a row? Maybe if you space it out on different days, but it's still brutal.>>219747132When I have good input material lined up, I look forward to it, when I don't, I procrastinate and do the minimum.>>219750510Thanks, I'll look into it.
>>219754390https://www.youtube.com/@aranshu0
>>219756202i just watch content i enjoy life too short for that shitthe weebs and koreaboos all get massively fluent at the hardest languages without doing any of this shit
>>219682990Trying to learn russian and spanish at the same thime russian is fucking hard but the spanish doing great
>>219709175>addiybu paqapaqilar qeyerde?paqini yëmang!>otturau paqini söyish qoghdish kërek dëdi (?)eger paqilar köprek bolsa, dünya yaxshiraq
>>219699722theyve been talking about this shit for a long time. I heard it was a gimmick and not practical or cost-efficient
Can anyone recommend me good series in serbian/croatian/bosnian that have subtitles? I'm guessing I will really have to go the route of using AI transcription (which is fine) because i dont know of any series with subtitles.
>>219759552你是我最喜欢的人从/lang/来的谢谢英国大哥
>>219763857>the weebs and koreaboos all get massively fluent at the hardest languages without doing any of this shitThey're actually doing all the meta shit and double-time, with religious fervor, and paying for 1-on-1 tutoring once a week minimum because they plan on emerging from the ground as a fully formed cicada weeb in their mecca country before the next six months
>>219709175Einfach Das ist ein Frosch.wo sind die Frosche?Iss den Frosch nicht!MittelEr sagte, dass die Frosche soll geliebt und gescutzt sein.Wann es mehre Frosche war, wurde die Welt ein bessere Ort sein.Laut große Wissenschaftler sind Frosche die stärksten Ampfibien.
>>219764973I haven't seen it because I don't watch NL content but apparently it's a good series, recently release (2024) and won some awards. I found it on a download site and it has accurate Serbian subs.Each episode is a separate link:https://filedot.top/mp00hqcjf358https://filedot.top/0ybcnu0uuymqhttps://filedot.top/kcm2isdel7ffhttps://filedot.top/au4he9xs48xdhttps://filedot.top/g4rghjnebpmyhttps://filedot.top/v1r7qn2rsz3xhttps://filedot.top/qluixhaom5wihttps://filedot.top/7oouzr2cgbnjbalkandownload.org - Good piracy site for balkan content if you want to browse. There's a category for "Domaće serije", they usually post info about the video files so you can check for subtitles. You need an account to see the download links tho.
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>>219766979thanks, i signed up, that was easy.
>>219765752i think just having content where youre obsessed with knowing the message being conveyed (e.g trying to understand whats being said because youre legitimately very interested in whats being said) is just a massive profound mnemonic boost for input learning compared to actively trying to 'learn the language'
>>219770239>i think just having content where youre obsessed with knowing the message being conveyed (e.g trying to understand whats being said because youre legitimately very interested in whats being said)Okay just extrapolate this to sitting at a desk with a grammar book and a dictionary and a pencil and a book open to the passage you're trying to make sense of I mix up my hanzi practice with wenbun sometimes (basically anki) and then other times I just go through what I've already written down and see if I can recall their names, meanings, tones, etc, then sometimes I do some scriptorium with an open book to practice my 钢笔, etc Here's something I think we should explore a bit more: Using native level materials in your TL that are... content for speakers of your TL learning YOUR native language. English obviously enjoys the most popularity. I found this channel by dint of grace alone this morninghttps://youtu.be/ZOcJeGcWjT4?si=XS1-YGWbP5B-JlleEven if I don't understand most of the Chinese, I can slow it down to 25% and pick out what I don't understand, transcribe the entire thing, etc. Tomorrow I'm going to blitzkrieg through half to two thirds of the New HSK textbook, I'm talking like 15-16hrs of study as soon as I wake up, because it finally arrived and I'm so happy, this is basically my baby as I prepare for the new HSK. I'm not doing it for career or anything I just want personal mastery of the language with the writing that charmed me when I was a kid
>French comprehension is good enough that I can listen to podcasts, the news, random YouTube channels, etc. Easily>French backpackers here start talking with each other>I literally cannot make out a single sentence from what they're sayingGenuinely what the fuck is it about French that makes the "real spoken" so different from its formal professional version?
>>219743976it's a top meme
>>219770588even though the French government has been trying to get rid of them, most French people still speak a "dialect" other than Parisian French which may range from being accented Parisian to being a completely separate language like OccitanAlso if you were to learn English through PR programming, you'd struggle to understand even spoken London English, even less Scousers and god forbid Scots
Secret is to work at a pizzeria or kebab place. Those guys always learn the language.
>>219743976Icelandic would cool to learn to see the connections to continental Scandinavian languages and probably learn a bunch of word origins. Wonder if the grammar might be easier coming from German though.
>>219770588this is just a personal antidote but I have french cousins (born & raised in Paris so they are Parisian) and they explained to me how within even just their own friend group, they would twist and switch up all types of words and phrases that would be almost incomprehensible to other french people. An example would be instead of saying "Paris" they would say "Rispar (Ree pear)" and tons of other words they would chop in half and flip. I don't know this for certain but I think this type of group slang is extremely common in France and french groups so it makes learning from the textbook approach really challenging unless you live there and are immersed
>>219771146Icelandic is a really cool sounding language, for me it does have regular North Germanic vocab, if you know German then it might be easy to learn
>>219771214Often you can connect tricky words to Swedish words after you look them up, but it's just obfuscated enough that you need a hint. It's fun to read and try to guess what stuff means though. Don't know German, unfortunately.
>>219770511I tried wenbun and it sucked for me. Nothing was sticking, but skritter's 4 types of exercises gave a lot more practice and repetition. I just decided to pay the 100 dollars for a years' subscription to skritter and I've been a lot more successful with it.
